Thor vs Doomsday
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joesha28
Well abt, Thor vs Superman. How abt Thor vs Doomsday (the guy who killed supes and died himself but both came back! I don't know how supes came back.)
crazyspinz
well, thor doesnt have to kill doomsday, he just needs to beat him, i say he can do it
lightaxe
yea i think thor can pull this one off.
wrathofachilles
Thor can kill Doomsday as he hasn't died by having his head caved in by an uru hammer or been turned inside out by magic runes or been blasted into bits by lightning, etc. Thor wins.
Krissy Von Doom
Lightning would kill Doomsday?
MERCILOUS
Nah probably not lightning, but Thor's lightning isn't just lightning to my understanding. Yeah Thor could probably kill Doomsday like 5 times before he couldn't do it anymore, a very impressive feat.
wrathofachilles
Thor can control limitless amounts of lightning. One bolt isn't going to do much, but remember Thor can envelop Doomsday in webs of lightning that never lets up. Eventually Doomsday will collapse.
Wynndar
Thor's energy source is more powerful than Doomsday's...I will admit DD is hella strong though. One of the problems with this fight is DD is immune to some of the arguments I would use for Thor beating anyone from Hulk to Silver Surfer...DD doesnt seem to have an ambient power source Thor could absorb with Mjolnir. Thor could absorb gamma radiation from Hulk or cosmic power off Surfer...but he has nothing to suck from DD...he would just have fight DD at 100% the whole time...I think he could do it...but he would end up takinga serious beating in the process
Krissy Von Doom
How is Thor's lightning different from regular lightning. I thought the only difference was that it was mystically conjured but it's still regular lightning.
YourBiggestFan
If the omega effect had well... NO EFFECT almost on DD, i doubt any kind of lightning will hurt him:
The Omega Effect: Darkseid's most terrifying power is the "Omega Effect" potent beams of energy projected from his eyes that can lock on and trace their chosen targets. When the beams do inevitably connect, they produce one of any number of effects, ranging from disintegration to teleporting the target across time and space and can even reach out into other dimensions.
juggernaut74
Doomsday will win this in my opinion. Thor cant beat superman he definately cannot take Doomsday out. Doomsday did indeed take the Omega Effect without much trouble and Thor cannot match that power. I know this is gonna be hard to swallow. Doomsday.
wrathofachilles
The lightning isn't that different, it's just unlimited. Repeated lightning attacks is going to be different than an omega beam blast. It's not as focused, but more intense because Thor can consistently blast him with it. As for Thor not beating Superman, the writers already retracted that crossover. Thor can most certainly match Darkseid's power, obviously with the Odinpower but even without he still has his godforce blast which is superior to Darkseid's blast. He also has control over the runes now, which is immensely powerful. Thor is going to win this.
joesha28
First thing first, does Darkseid match King Thor (odinforced Thor)?
The classic Thor fought a handicap match with Mangog and Thanos. Thanos was said to be more powerful than Darkseid!
MERCILOUS
Lightning is in no way superior to Darkseid's Omega beam. And Darkseid can use it in a continious fashion as well. So lightning should have basically no effect on Doomsday. And Doomsday doesn't relent to continuous attack, he's too insane or poorly written.
joesha28
Thor's lightning isn't just lightning. it's mjolnir's enchantment. And King Thor used the odinforce to contain nuclear explosion. and remember how superman defeated doomsday (at the end of time). Mjolnir can create vortex to tranport to other dimention. With Thor's extended powers he can transport doomsday to the end of time.
MERCILOUS
!!!!!!!!
Well i'm the one who said that I don't think Thor's lightning is just lightning! Where were you a few days ago man!
Also, these fights are never who can teleport who where man. If that's the case then we'd have to accept all those "superman could throw him into the sun" arguements.
joesha28
hmmm, I would not be surprised if Thor throws Doomy into the sun
wrathofachilles
Thor's lightning is 'regular' lightning but it's controlled lightning. It has the same properties as lightning but Thor is master over it, thus he can send bolt after bolt after bolt against DD. Whether it has an effect on Doomsday really doesn't matter, as Thor's godforce surely will. He doesn't even need to be King Thor to defeat Doomsday. King Thor could defeat Darkseid though quite easily.
MERCILOUS
So thor takes this one but if the fight continues eventually DD would be immune to anything he's got.
Tron
Well, actually, most characters can prevent guys like Superman from throwing them in the Sun. Teleporting is something different all together. Don't get me wrong, I don't like the whole teleport thing either.
MERCILOUS
I wouldn't say most, I wouldn't say most at all.
eleveninches
Normal Thor would have difficulty with this one, but THor as he was at the end of dissassembled would have no trouble
wrathofachilles
Doomsday isn't going to come back from the dead during the fight. Eventually Doomsday isn't going to take it because first of all he's from a different universe and second of all, Thor would be long gone by the time Doomsday resurrected himself. Thor could kill him theoretically 3 or 4 times, but the fight's not likely to take place that many times.
Tron
True, but you get my point though right?
MERCILOUS
I thought that's what I said. And I gave Thor credit for doing it 5 times.
joesha28
Interresting what was Thor Like in dissassembled ?
eleveninches
He had access to some magic runes, as well as the odin power, and he put out both of his eyes to be able to see all possible outcomes to all events. He killed the gods that were above the asgard gods, and ended the loop of time, so that when the asgards die, they would not return, and their deaths would not be in vain
YourBiggestFan
no bolt can harm doomsday, he can regen it out faster than Thor can throw them, no lightning can do as much dmg as Superman's punches can do. Superman DID kill Doomsday the first time but he used ALL his strength while doing it, later both were back, both stronger than before, BUT doomsday came back WAY stronger then he already was.
joesha28
Yeah, but Thor isn't fated to die either except at ragnorak.
joesha28
Thor controls lightning. the amount of power of it also
wrathofachilles
Also Thor controls Asgardian runes. I don't think Doomsday has died via magic before, so Thor can take it in that regard.
Tough Guy
doomesday would win, he is superior in power to any equivalent in marvel, ur hulks, whatever, thor would need to use his god force to stand a chance, ( classic thor), however i doubt it would kill doomesday, ( it wouldnt kill superman i dont think), thor would then be drained and week, dooesday would then crush thor, only for thor to be re born as he cant die till he fulfills his destiny, thor isnt strong enough to mess with dc, dc have incredibly overpowered shit characters that make it unfair to pit against marvels deeper heros
supremthor
that has already happned to dooms day
Bardock42
you mean the end of time thing? Yes I know I think he can overcome thwqat he is to cool to die in any way.
K3VIL
Thor possess GodBlast is superior to Omega Effect.
Then why don't we talk about Doomsday solar energy store abilities.In HUNTER/PREY, Bertron, the scientist that create DD says he's powered by sufficient solar energy to survive for a millenium.Thor can absorb it.Or Thor can simply go head to head and knockdown DD with Mjolnir and some of his best hits.Yes after that DD would resurrect, so Thor will teleport DD in the end of time like happens in HUNTER/PREY, and come back to Asgard to eat with Balder and the three warriors.
JuggernautFan
i think doomsday would win... more than he would lose
jinzin
Hell if thor can't beat the hulk half the time they fight, he sure as hell ain't beating doosday. Doomsday can rock the entire jla without breaking a sweat, I doubt the same could be said about thor (he'd have enought trouble fighting superman alone). Doomsday's gonna win.
x_danny_x
both have the tools to defeat Superman, but what about each other?
I give this to Doomsday
Scoobless
thor could teleport him near the sun and leave him to get pulled in while he goes home to read the latest wizard
K3VIL
Teleporting Doomsday into the sun would not affect him
Doomsday survive to an explosion equal to 1000'000' nuclear explosion during HUNTER/PREY saga.He's also powered by solar energy, Bertron, the scientist that create him says he's powered by sufficient solar energy to survive for a millenium if necessary.
FrothByte
thor. he has more ways to beat doomsday than doomsday has to defeat him.
themightythor
Thor would just kill Doomsday the same way Supes did. All it would take is one wack with Mjolnir at an exposed bone and Doomday would be history.
demigawd
Doomsday is way too fast for Thor. I give DC strongmen the edge over Marvel strongmen almost every time because DC strongmen tend to be speedsters as well. This is an example of that.
Cosmic Cube
Doomsday is certainly not faster than Thor, he's a freakin god. On marvel.com Thor's speed is listed at level 7 (the highest). To say Doomsday is faster than Thor is like saying Juggernaut is faster than Thor. Doomsday has superhuman speed, but certainly not on Thor's level. Doomsday has superspeed like Hulk does, not like Superman or Flash.
captainhuge
doomsday imo, hes like a stronger more durable version of the hulk who cant die
David Duchovony
Cosmic Thor does not nearly as fast as Doomsday. He is fast yes but he is not an infamous speedster by any stretch of the imagination. I have never seen him exhibit any acts of superspeed and I'm suprised that Quicksilver is only a five, huh. And captain you hit the nail right on the head Doomsday is more like a super-Hulk, faster, a lot stronger, durable and virtually unkillable.
demigawd
Thor isn't nearly as fast as Doomsday. Marvel's ranking is Thor's flight speed, not combat speed. During the DOS storyline, Doomsday kicked and punched I believe Booster Gold, then picked up a car and hit him with in, all in less than a second (because he hit Booster Gold with the car before Booster even hit the ground from Doomsday's last punch). There aren't very many Marvel characters who can FIGHT at that speed. That's why Spider-Man does so well against people like Hulk, Juggernaut and Eric Masterson. And Superman fights orders of magnitude faster than Spider-Man. And Doomsday is at least Superman's equal in combat speed. At least.
Cosmic Cube
David Duchovony,
Do you read Thor comics? Thor has god speed as his title of "god of thunder" would suggest.
No Thor isn't a Speedster, he's so much more. Is Doomsday is an infamous speedster? Doomsday can run a couple hundred of miles per hour. Thor can run a couple hundred thousand miles per minute, and can fly at lightspeed. Quicksilver?! Originally, he could only run a measly 175mph! With the enhancement, who knows how fast he is now, but he certainly isn't as fast as Thor. Few are.
Cosmic Cube
Demigawd,
Thor can spin his hammer at lightspeed creating a shield. With his, "Warrior Fury" Thor's fighting speed is blinding. All you see is a flurry of Thor's attacks, and then his opponent falling. How can you tell how long it took Doomsday to do all that in a comic book? Did they have an elapsed time by the frame or something? It's not a cartoon...
demigawd
That's why I said that we know it was less than a second because Doomsday hit Booster and then while Booster was falling down, Doomsday picked up a car and HIT him with it before he finished falling down. That's some DBZ schiznit right there.
And Thor spinning his hammer at lightspeed is a function of strength and Mjolnir's enhancement, not speed.
And I've never seen him hitting anyone with superspeed when in Warrior's Madness mode. When did this happen?
Cosmic Cube
Doomsday isn't unkillable either. You can kill him, ad he will ressurect (like the Hulk does,) except for you cannot kill him the same way you did before (unlike Hulk). But ultimately, superman killed him, so he is killable.
demigawd
ok...we know that. What's that have to do with superspeed? Or was that a reply to my post?
Cosmic Cube
No, it wasn't.
I believe Thor used the Warrior Madness to increase his speed against Nefaria. Or it may have been Odinforce.
Cosmic Cube
Nah, it was Warrior Madness, in Thor 511.
Cosmic Cube
Thor has also attacked Hulk with a superspeed flurry.
spetznaz
I'd have to give this to Doomsday. Why? Well, Superman killed DD using sheer brute strength. The thing is DD can only be killed using the same method once, thus Thor's strength would be ineffective against DD. It would only serve to just draw out the battle awhile. (This is the same reason why the Hulk cannot be able to kill DD ....all the Hulk could do is use his strength).
Now, Thor has a trump card that the Hulk doesn't have. Magic! DD probably has not been killed using magic, and thus Thor would have a good chance if this was the case. He could probably even end it pretty quickly.
The problem would be that once DD came back from the dead (and he always comes back from the dead), then Thor would have absolutely no way of killing DD. His strength would be useless, and his sorcery just as ineffective.
The only thing Thor could then do is flee - or be killed!
But in the intial match Thor would win (unless DD has been killed before using magic, in which case Thor would be crushed). And even if Thor won all it would mean would be that in the future a magic-proof DD would be coming after him!
Doomsday is the worst enemy to have - the type that evolves to nullify your every strength, and the type that never dies. Thor may be a god, but sooner or later Doomsday would become too much for him.
x_danny_x
wow, I didnt realize Thor isnt that fast!! Doomsday for sure then.
themightythor
Dude Doomsday is just the Hulk with more durability and strength. DD does NOT i repeat NOT have Super-human speed he's just as fast if not faster than the Hulk but that's as far as it goes. Also Thor as mebtioned earlier is a 7 on the Marvel.com speed chart thingy wich is the maximum. Quicksilver is a mere 5.
David Duchovony
Wonder who you're rooting for.
x_danny_x
yes indeed hehehe.
Besides, I have read the thread where the poster "Never" posted alot and showed a link of how many times the HUlk beat the crap out of Thor.
If Hulk can do that to Thor, imagine what DD can do
jinzin
DOOMSDAY would kick thor's magical ass, thor can't beat the hulk half the time they fight, I mean it took him, the thing, and (i think) namor to take down hulk once. What the hell is he going to do to DD. And just for the record the kid was right about DD being a "speedster' during combat, Doomsday, is compared to throwing flash-speed punches.
Nataku8188
What defense will Doomsday have against Thor's portal creation and magic blasts/lightning strikes? I don't know a real lot about doomsday, so any comic issues would be greatly appreciated so i can research him.
KillAll
thor spinning the hammer is a function of strength yes, but it has no enchantment to make it spin
thats silly to say.
but back to the fight. please read thor vs the destroyer. a hulking indestructable being with protrusions sticking out of his hand *sound farmiliar, sounds alot like doomsday to me*. now, insert doomsday everywhere you see the destroyer and this is how a fight with doomsday and thor would go
joesha28
Thor always stand down in his fight with Hulk....for banner's shake.
K3VIL
In the last issue of AVENGERS VS JLA there's Thor knocking down DD with Mjolnir.
Linkalicious
Doomsday would beat Thor to a bloody pulp.
Superman with the Mother Box was physically beat to sh!t by Doomsday and was only able to defeat him by having Wave Rider send him to the end of time.
eleveninches
Supes beat doomsie the 2nd and 3rd time they fought (and is going to fight him again in action comics this month).
Thor with mjolnir could win against him, but not the weaker versions of thor .
ZephroCarnelian
I think Thor could prob take this.
If you think about it, Supes had more than enough power to take DD out the first time they fought - but the writers wanted him to die, so he stood and exchanged punches with him, till he wore himself out.
Thor has access to the godforce and has all manner of nifty spells to use, instead of just slugging it out.
Thor is Supes' magical counterpart. The only way Thor would lose this is if the writers wanted him to exchange punches with him lol.
Wynndar
God Force would probably kill Doomsday...probably wipe him from existence...for good.
Mainstream
naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....you sure wynndar?
Wynndar
well just logically speaking...Im not sure how Doomsday's shit really works...I know he was created by Kryptonians who continued to reintroduce an organism to a harsh environment and reanimating it after its death. Thus he has the adaptation of comming back to life more resistant each time he dies...I dont know how genetics work in the DC universe...but that adaptation would be genetic...so if DD were damaged beyond the organic molecular level, he would have no way to use his latent abilities to come back to life, or to adapt...this is different than dying from being pummelled to death by Superman. After his first Superman fight his body was still intact, not to mention he was obviously intact on the level of his DNA...last time i checked, punches dont damage DNA...God Force however? Its Mystical and Cosmic in nature...Im not sure how DC would explain something genetically acquiring a resistance to Mystical energy...Doomsday was createdd from scientists. So i think the God Force would overcome whatever science based durability Doomsday possesses. Maybe Im wrong...maybe DD can come back from total molecular destruction, maybe Im missing part of the story, I havent read too many DD stories. But if DC does have DD coming back from total atomic seperation, using abilities that were acquired through genetic selection, then i would have to say it doesnt make sense to me.
Linkalicious
I would think the God Force would just leave Doomsday extra crispy if it was strong enough to kill him....i don't think it would completely eradicate all traces of Doomsday from exsistance.
Besides....how's Thor going to pull that move off? Doomsday doesn't sit around for dialog like Juggernaut or Galactcus would do...
Doomsday would be in Thor's face 24/7 until Thor died.
joesha28
Originally posted by Linkalicious
I would think the God Force would just leave Doomsday extra crispy if it was strong enough to kill him....i don't think it would completely eradicate all traces of Doomsday from exsistance.
Besides....how's Thor going to pull that move off? Doomsday doesn't sit around for dialog like Juggernaut or Galactcus would do...
Doomsday would be in Thor's face 24/7 until Thor died.
24/7? please! unlike Supes, Thor's a superb hand-to-hand combatant.... Though difficult to beat DD, there will be no reason for Thor to hold back, DD does not have a innocent soul in him, not like the Destroyer(terene). Radient defeated DD the 1st time. Thor packed more than Radient. DD stood there for Radient to beat him...
JWangSDC
I donno...Thor can't beat the Hulk. Doomsday is just like a DC hulk...
Kento
Doomsday FEARS death....he can think now, and from what I've heard that's why Supes beat a Jokerized Doomsday. So I think Thor could do it also.
Teleporting him to the end of time...How would Thor know to do that? Jus a question.
Supes beat him the first time also killing himself, and the second time was cause Doomsday was able to think.
As for Thor beating Doomsday before he feared death...Even if Thor did win once he'd come back, and search for Thor. He went after Lex for sending him against Imperiux, and letting him die.
As for End of Time not even Doomsday can come back from that. Nothing can exist nothing. In a matter of second all is erased even if it has happened to Doomsday once so that would kill him again.
jinzin
Kento the post doesn't say doomsday rex vs. thor, it's doomsday-the non-senitent incarnation. Anyways, although DD's origin was a genetic manipulation, he has come back from being disintegrated into dust before. Logically i say that DD would mop the floor with thor. But given his godforce and the possibility of warrior madness thor may have what it takes to beat DD once,,,,,,it just isn't likely.
h1a8
this post is silly. how could anyone say that thor would win. thor is a god and not God with the capitol G. a god in mavel terms is just a being naturally beyond that of a human (physically and or mentally) which whom is worshiped. thor is not immortal (only ages slow). he has died before. thor is only a 7 in speed because he can dimensional travel. he cannot move fast as sound. thor can only open dimensional portals (he cannot automatically teleport/blink a being somewhere like in I dream of genie). thor's durability has always been one level less than hulk's. His flesh is only several times denser than a human's. imagine thor getting hit with a doomsday fist traveling at 90 percent the speed of light (doomsday is officially faster than flash my friends). This is more than a trillon times the momentum of a rifle's bullet (thor is barely bullet proof). doomsday will literarly tear a gapping hole in the asgardian (just like he did to many other invincible beings <superman/darkseid etc.>
. Doomsday will kill Thor in a matter of seconds.
note: superman maximum bench press strength is 250,000 tons (using telekinesis). this is about 2,500 times greater than thor's strength. And after hundreds (if not more) hits from superman did doomsday fall. Thor may not get the chance to strike him once let alone a hit from thor is not half as powerful as superman (remember momentum=mass x velocity and thor's hammer is only 40lbs. and is thrown a max of 500mph. compare to the 220lb. near light speed fist of superman).
also doomsday is immune to all forms of energy (even magic) since he was killed thousands of years ago by a being of pure energy. writers were in fault for having him fall to imperiex.
K Von Doom
I don't think Thor even comes close to Doomsday when it comes to fighting speed. Only have to equate....
Superman said it's hard fighting Doomsday because he's so fast. Now who's the only other people faster than Superman? Flash and anyone connected to the Speed Force.
I think everyone would agree that Quicksilver's listing of 5 and Thor's listing of 7 in terms of speed doesn't make any sense and is therefore inaccurate. Thor probably moves as fast as Thanos when it comes to fighting speed. Thanos couldn't even keep up with The Runner.
Hence Thor is much slower than Doomsday. Whether Thor wins this fight or not, who knows? He has a hard time superstrong beings who don't possess superspeed - Hulk, Absorbing Man, Nameless One, etc - so I see him having an even more difficult time with Doomsday. The only thing he has going for him is the godblast or odinforce but he has to aim that, it's not like the Omega Beams, and Doomsday isn't just going to stand there.
Kento
Actually Doomsday might just only be walking towards him soo He might very well be able to use the odinforce.
joesha28
Originally posted by jinzin
DOOMSDAY would kick thor's magical ass, thor can't beat the hulk half the time they fight, I mean it took him, the thing, and (i think) namor to take down hulk once. What the hell is he going to do to DD. And just for the record the kid was right about DD being a "speedster' during combat, Doomsday, is compared to throwing flash-speed punches.
Bro, It took Hulk and Namor to take down Thor once and Hulk and Thing another.
DD is a speedster, but he hardly continue to fight this way
the Darkone
Thor will kill doomsday. Thor is a god he is immortal where doomsday is not. Thor has more weapons, like the belt of strength to increase his godly sterngtht to another level surpassing doomsday. Thor has fighting experince fighting beings like ulik,hulk,count nefaria, galactus, ego, thanos, gladiator etc. Thor will out think him and will match him blow for blow, also thor can channel his godly energies an other into the hammer
for a powerful blast or throw either our it's powerful to slay or immortals. He did the same thing to galactus and ego and them on their ass, well galactus ass.
Doomsday will get his ass handed to him time after time, doomsday might get a couple of fights but tha's it. Doomsday suck, Thor rules bow down to the "KING"
jinzin
nope, DD is way stronger than thor. At least if we're talking non sentient DD. Thor gets his ass kicked hard. He can put down DD once (as I said before) with the god force, or odin blast, but other than that, he's got nothin. He's not gonna beat DD with physical force, He can't KO DD, so what's he gonna do? having a slew of other powers at his disposel really is irrelevant, DD beat on superman (who's got a ton of diff powers by himself) and the rest of the JLA with moderate ease. Tie one hand behind thor's back and see what happens to him. And that was a weaker version of DD. After that not even an upgraded supes could do much to stop DD. Thor's got one chance to use his god force,,,,if he messes that up......man does he mess up.
kgkg
what about he opens a portal send him to another dimention that's a win rite there.
Infinity Watch
Thor kicks DDs ass. He is WAY faster. DD only jumps really fast.
Doomsday does not have the tools to kill Supes. "Death of Superman" was full of BS. Doomsday isn't unkillable. The second time, Superman got it done. IMHO Superman should have easily killed DD, like he did the second time. Superman probably could have killed Doomsday the first time. He just didn't want to.
Really, Superman wasn't fighting DD, he was fighting his writers who had already decided it was time for him to die. Those are unbeatble odds, even for the man of steel. DD killing a whole GL corp and the JLA is BS. The writers were just making him look good so that he could kill Superman.
Thor will just whack one of those bones in his head one good time, and DD's through.
the Darkone
I wasn't talking about odinforce thor. Thor has the ability to hit with a powerful energy blast or he throws the hammer the will of thor where ever he wants the hammer to go it will go like a heat seeking misslie
jinzin
"what about he opens a portal send him to another dimention that's a win rite there."
lol. well i guess if thor's gonna take his victories where he can get them that would be the way to do it. But thor's a warrior and that's a cowards way out, you do the math.
"Thor kicks DDs ass. He is WAY faster. DD only jumps really fast.
Doomsday does not have the tools to kill Supes. "Death of Superman" was full of BS. Doomsday isn't unkillable. The second time, Superman got it done. IMHO Superman should have easily killed DD, like he did the second time. Superman probably could have killed Doomsday the first time. He just didn't want to. "
that's gotta be one of the most ridiculous argument's I've ever read. seriously, where did you learn to debate?
first off, doomsday is superfast. that's not a debateble issue. you may as well try to convince us that wolverine doesn't have a healing factor.
examples. DD can hit superman wih ease, who's superfast. Boostergold claimed DD was faster than the flash. DD ran through the JLA before they could even START to formulate a plan after hitting him with their all. DD's taken out flash, DD kicked guy garners ass so fast he never even had a chance to fight back. Those are all just examples of the top of my head.
second off. So now we are to discredit what doomsday has done simply based on the fact that the writers deemed it that way. I guess I could very well say that the only reason superman has any of his powers is because the writers were just trying to make a profit from a superhero comic and needed to give him superhero powers, so he really doesn't have them......it's a totally illogical argument. And superman "easily" killing Doomsday the second time around. WTF?????? did you even read that comic? I'm going to assume that you didn't just bases on what you said. DD kicked the crippity crap out of an enhanced superman with lots of weapons at his disposal. DD broke superman's arm (coupound fracture), and had superman on the defensive for the better part of the fight, even when superman went on the offensive, giving DD his all, he even admitted he had reached his limit,,,,DD wasn't even breathing hard. we was just getting warmed up. the only reason superman won is because he used waverider's gauntlets to send DD ass to the end of time. Honestly you should either think before you post, or read you're comics a little more carefully before you start saying crap like that. And i could care lss if you think it's BS, it happened get over it.
So thor's got his god force, and teleportation. so he's got 2 chances for a win....in a straight up fight though,,,,,,,he's going down.
Wynndar
man...there is some serious ignorance goin on here...i go with Thor
jinzin
it's not ignorance of thor, it's just respect for doomsday. If the guy can take out superman, wonder woman, flash, martian manhunter, green lantern, orion, plasticman, and huntress all at the same time, imagine what he would do to thor. I think thor would have a hard enough time with superman alone, or with WW alone, or MM, or GL, or even flash, But all together, they'd boot thor's ass bad. DD creamed Darkseid in 3 hits, I don't think thors capable of doing something like that either. it's just compare and contrast. I've admitted that thor has a couple of ways to beat DD....maybe,,,,but in terms of percentage chance. Doomsday edges thor out in my mind. do you honestly think thor could have stomped the JLA with a hand tied behind his back?....i dunno man.
jinzin
case in point. if hulk can beat hulk best 2 out a three or so DD will most likely kill him.
DrDoom
If Thor has the chance to open up a portal then he'll get the win.
If he fights Dd hand to hand he'll get his clock cleaned. Dd is much more durable and stronger than Superman (who's stronger than Thor) AND he has super venom coursing thru his knuckle claws. He is also super-fast.
Thor has been stomped by the Hulk in hand to hand, and Hulk doesn't have Dd's speed or poison claws, so Thor would put up a good front, but he'd get killed in the end.
He COULD probably kill Dd with his odinforce...but Dd would just come back and kill him. his bes bet is to open a portal to an uninhabited dimension so he can win the fight and go back to playing Halo 2.
Wynndar
The Hulk is 3 times the size of Doomsday...Thor is twice his size...u want to talk about Thor is only a few times more dense than a human being...Doomsday is only 300 something lbs...faster than flash too huh? Flash has powers that allow him to move at near the speed of light while in an atmosphere...Doomsday has those powers too? i question the consistency of DC writing as usual. Again, if someone moved that fast in the MU, they would ignite the atmosphere and and cause some serious shockwaves....regardless...Thor would still own DD.
jinzin
"The Hulk is 3 times the size of Doomsday...Thor is twice his size...u want to talk about Thor is only a few times more dense than a human being...Doomsday is only 300 something lbs...faster than flash too huh?"
I'm no entirely sure what the hell you're talkin about here buddy. who's this to?
Well, DC writing has never been he staple of consistancy, Crisis on infinate earths anyone? but the fact still remains, DD can outspeed superman and the rest of the JLA in fighting, it's been stated and proven.
and I'm pretty much in complete agreement with drdoom on this one.
Victor Von Doom
Hmm.
I think Thor is being a little underrated here.
If I were to bet though I'd go with Doomsday.
joesha28
Marvel uses the class system to classify the characters. Class 100 is the the limit for Thor, Hulk. Both has shown to lift more than 100 tons. Hulk lifted a 150 billion ton mountain in secret wars. Thor lifted part of the midgard serpent, which was the weight of the planet earth.
So Thor could match Superman's max 250 000 ton. To say supes stronger than Thor and Hulk 2500x is wrong. Hulk has the potential to exceed supes' and Thor will increase 10x in warrior madness, shows they are capable to beat Supes.
There is also "Incalculable" in Marvel strength system. Both those are for cosmic and we don see any earth heros there.
Put them in the canyon or somewhere rural and Thor will beat DD at least 3/4 of the time. I see that Thor will lose only if he becames cautious of the harm he might cause if he goes wild in battle.
Kento
Thor is a match for Supes in strength, and can only beat Supes cause of the magic he has.
Doomsday has no such weakness as that, and is stronger then Supes, and just as fast. It's not hard to see who'd win.
Thor = Supes. Thor w/magic > Supes. Doomsday>>>Supes, and Thor, and Thor w/magic.
joesha28
DD is fast i admit, but hardly uses his speed in battle. Thor faced Set, when toe to toe with Atum (a god more powerful than zeus and odin put together). Scared off Galactus. Cracked a Celestial armor. All those fight Thor faired well, he won some too. DD is nowhere this guys. Thor will win it. Superman feared while fighting DD but Thor's courage is officially stated, second to none.
Kento
Superman feared him after he had killed him. He didn't really fear him the first time he fought.
And of course Thor fears nobody he thinks he's all high and might cause he's a god. To bad confidence isn't his power. He'd beat anybody at any time.
joesha28
Originally posted by Kento
Superman feared him after he had killed him. He didn't really fear him the first time he fought.
And of course Thor fears nobody he thinks he's all high and might cause he's a god. To bad confidence isn't his power. <b>He'd beat anybody at any time</b>.
That's what i'm saying
joesha28
Thor is beatable unlike superman (overrated), but Thor will win Doomsday.
Kento
Superman is beatable. Zod has broken his jaw, Bizarro is stronger, he got his butt kicked in the newest JLA issue by Ultraman. Doomsday kileld him, beat him senseless twice...and only lost when he became a sentient being.
jinzin
seriously. i recall dan jurgens saying the only reason thor would ever hope to edge out superman is because of the magic. But in his opinion superman outclasses thor in terms of sheer strength times over and he was a writer for both titles.
And what the hell do you mean DD hardly ever uses his speed in battle? have you ever read any comics where DD fights? or do you just read about him on the net? DD's speed surprises almost everyone he goes up against cause everyone assumes his size means he'll be slow. Thor has what it takes to take out doomsday once maybe twice, but he'll need a bit of luck to succeed. If he's coaxed into a brawl with doomsday, he'll lose for sure.
h1a8
Originally posted by joesha28
DD is fast i admit, but hardly uses his speed in battle. Thor faced Set, when toe to toe with Atum (a god more powerful than zeus and odin put together). Scared off Galactus. Cracked a Celestial armor. All those fight Thor faired well, he won some too. DD is nowhere this guys. Thor will win it. Superman feared while fighting DD but Thor's courage is officially stated, second to none.
Using who fought who in comics is fallacious. Writers are terribly inconsistent (especially in the past). The main point is Thor has gotten hit by many many slower moving foes. His durabililty is lower than Hulk's (listed everwhere by marvel) which is lower than Superman's. But superman was penetrated by Doomsday (sometimes all the way through) easily. Doomsday is immune to all energy projection (including magic) and an astronomical amount of physical force. This is a fact. One has to explain how Thor can hurt Doomsday let alone explain how Thor can withstand Doomsday's might. DD wins in seconds period
h1a8
Originally posted by joesha28
Marvel uses the class system to classify the characters. Class 100 is the the limit for Thor, Hulk. Both has shown to lift more than 100 tons. Hulk lifted a 150 billion ton mountain in secret wars. Thor lifted part of the midgard serpent, which was the weight of the planet earth.
So Thor could match Superman's max 250 000 ton. To say supes stronger than Thor and Hulk 2500x is wrong. Hulk has the potential to exceed supes' and Thor will increase 10x in warrior madness, shows they are capable to beat Supes.
There is also "Incalculable" in Marvel strength system. Both those are for cosmic and we don see any earth heros there.
Put them in the canyon or somewhere rural and Thor will beat DD at least 3/4 of the time. I see that Thor will lose only if he becames cautious of the harm he might cause if he goes wild in battle.
Average Asgardian men can lift 30 tons. Thor is a hybrid and is officially listed to lift 80-100 tons (Nowhere near 250,000 tons). Also, this serpent did not weight half the earth. Thus by lifting the serpent has two explanations: Either Thor received outside assistance of some kind or the writer was terrible inconsistent (happens all the time, especially in the past) with Thor's true strength. Thor's durability is less than Hulk's which is less than Superman's. Doomsday penetrated Superman easily. Thus he will kill Thor in seconds. And don't say that Thor won't get hit. He has gotten hit by many many slower foes. DD is immune to all energy projection (including magic) and nearly all concussive force. Doomsday can give Thor 2 hours of free hits and still be standing.
jinzin
probably not seconds but even if he did I wouldn't besurprised I mean he took out darkseid and the jla in seconds so I guess thor might not be such a stretch.
joesha28
Originally posted by jinzin
seriously. i recall dan jurgens saying the only reason thor would ever hope to edge out superman is because of the magic. But in his opinion superman outclasses thor in terms of sheer strength times over and he was a writer for both titles.
And what the hell do you mean DD hardly ever uses his speed in battle? have you ever read any comics where DD fights? or do you just read about him on the net? DD's speed surprises almost everyone he goes up against cause everyone assumes his size means he'll be slow. Thor has what it takes to take out doomsday once maybe twice, but he'll need a bit of luck to succeed. If he's coaxed into a brawl with doomsday, he'll lose for sure.
Sure i do Jinzin, thats why i told i admit his speed. surpass supes yes! but from what i read in the issue of supes beatin DD by throwin him in that time-thingy, DD was not even using speed fifty percent of the fight. It was supes who did that.
Daddy Reddss
Doomsday was created to show that the Hulk can beat Superman. Afterwards the idea made money, so they wrote some more details to make it seem like Doomsday was diferent and stronger than the Hulk. Thor will win. Ask Fin Fang Foom, Fafnir The Migard Serpent.
Thor = superhero
Doomsday = defeated by superhero.
chris_987
UH.... I hate to break it to you all superman already beat thors ass dc marvel crossover might want to get your facts straight Doomsday would toy with thor and I love thor...
jinzin
and love thor? WTF? (scratches head)
Doomsday didn't let up on superman speedwise, did you happen to notice superman didn't want any peice of him in a head on brawl, and when he eventually did try to use brute force against doomsday, doomsday broke his arm. In hunter prey superman had to use a combination of all of his powrs just to hold DD at bay, and even that didn't work. Saying Doomsday was slow, when supes had to get a decent amount of momentum in flight to hit dd from ehind and place waverider's gaunlet on DD's shoulder spike is well, not accurate. DD doesn't have a spidersense, and he closed off his auditory canals in the middle of the fight, how the hell is his speed going to make a difference when superman attacked him from behind? It's illogical. DD uses his speed in all of his friggin fights, He pummeled guy gardner before guy had a chance to even do anything about it, he took out darkseid so fast that darkseid couldn't even defend himself, much less turn around to do so. He's fast and he uses it. And Doomsday wasn't created to show that Hulk can beat supes. Where the hell did you dream up that fantasy? doomsday was created for a single purpose and that was to sell. To combat the steadily declining comic sales that started to plumet after the early/mid 90's (or as I refer to them, the dark ages, blue and red supes, azreal, spider clones, bone claw wolverine agghhhhh! )
joesha28
Originally posted by jinzin
and love thor? WTF? (scratches head)
Doomsday didn't let up on superman speedwise, did you happen to notice superman didn't want any peice of him in a head on brawl, and when he eventually did try to use brute force against doomsday, doomsday broke his arm. In hunter prey superman had to use a combination of all of his powrs just to hold DD at bay, and even that didn't work. Saying Doomsday was slow, when supes had to get a decent amount of momentum in flight to hit dd from ehind and place waverider's gaunlet on DD's shoulder spike is well, not accurate. DD doesn't have a spidersense, and he closed off his auditory canals in the middle of the fight, how the hell is his speed going to make a difference when superman attacked him from behind? It's illogical. DD uses his speed in all of his friggin fights, He pummeled guy gardner before guy had a chance to even do anything about it, he took out darkseid so fast that darkseid couldn't even defend himself, much less turn around to do so. He's fast and he uses it. And Doomsday wasn't created to show that Hulk can beat supes. Where the hell did you dream up that fantasy? doomsday was created for a single purpose and that was to sell. To combat the steadily declining comic sales that started to plumet after the early/mid 90's (or as I refer to them, the dark ages, blue and red supes, azreal, spider clones, bone claw wolverine agghhhhh! )
I agree that supes got that momentum going in that fight. But i believe DD is faster than speed of light which is much faster than supes right? Then can i ask why did he not do that to beat supes
jinzin
supes hit him from behind, there's n way DD knew what was coming. Sperman wasn't beating him, he was just buying time to get the gauntlet on, and it worked. I don't know if DD's faster than light speed but he's faster than supes in fighting capacity at least.
Linkalicious
Thor would not only get his ass kicked....he'd be killed.
Doomsday would physically overpower him and then beat him to death with his protrusions.
Linkalicious
When was he able to hold DD?
I have a comic where Doomsday snaps Superman's arm in the palm of his hand. Then he continues to thoroughly beat the ever loving crap out of Superman until Airwalker comes in and warps DD to the end of time.
Doomsday physically dominates Thor.
the Darkone
Thor has fought destroyer, kurse, juggernaut, gladiator, beta ray bill, thanos, ego, adam warlock, korvac, odin, celestials, fing fang foom, silver sufer, dark gods, hela, eternals hell even fought galactus at full powered and was holding his own. If thor ever foght doomsday on a nertural battle field like asgard and can go all out unleashing his godly powers, doomsday will get his as thrash into oblivion. Thor and superman are two different beings thor is immortal has more power than superman but never really have to use it, hello he is a god but a fighting god he was fighting since he was born he has experience and wisdom from the odin force which has left him. He has the mystic armor, the belt of strength which increse his strength, he has gaunlets to wear to unleash mjolnir true powers, powers that can kill a immortal or any other beings. Doomsday is tuff but not unkillable he can die, yes he can comeback to life better than before but the piot of the matter is he can die so can thor. Thor has something that doomsday doesn't even have intellagence and common sense. I forgot to state, thor can wear the destroyer armor like he did before and use the destroyer power to kick the shit out of doomsday.
Thor wins not by alot but he wins
Linkalicious
Originally posted by the Darkone
Thor has fought destroyer, kurse, juggernaut, gladiator, beta ray bill, thanos, ego, adam warlock, korvac, odin, celestials, fing fang foom, silver sufer, dark gods, hela, eternals hell even fought galactus at full powered and was holding his own.
Who he's fought, and who he's defeated are two entirely different things.
He didn't beat Thanos, Ego, a celestial, Korvac, Odin, Galactcus, or the Silver Surfer. In fact, for a "God" I'm 100% sure than everyone I named could actually kill Thor.
I missed the part where Thor's home town could be considered "neutral"
Immortal? isn't he dead?
Doomsday was created before Krypton was even an inhabitable planet. He has died thousands of times over only to be reborn time and time again with a resistance to whatever killed him most recently. Superman physically beat him to death, Doomsday came back to life and physically ruined Superman...who was enhanced by the Mother Box. That box augmented his strength and other attributes while also acting as a healing device. From the second his arm was broken by Doomsday, it was being healed. And he was STILL absolutely no match for Doomsday. Hell, earlier in the comic he beat Darkseid within an inch of his life.
In order for Thor to pull off his God Force blast he needs time. Against Galactcus, Galactcus did nothing to prevent him from summoning his power. Juggernaut watched as Thor called upon the heavens to create a God Force blast. And in Exitar the Executioner's brain there was NO ONE to stop, slow down, or prevent Thor from summoning his God Force in any way.
Doomsday doesn't stop for dialog. He kills and he kills fast. He single handedly beat the sh!t out of the JLA. Is that something Thor can do? No.
Doomsday's stone protrusions are also extremely poisonous. If he managed to break Thor's skin with those things....Thor would be in deep shit.
nice twist to help your arguement out at the end there with the destoyer armor, but it doesn't change the fact that Doomsday would be on Thor in seconds and he wouldn't let up until Odin's son was dead.
the Darkone
in seconds you are talking stupid. Thor killed himself to destroyed I didn't say he beat thanos or other beings I stated read it again thor had fought many beings that would crush doomsday in seconds. thor is a god superman is not. Thor has many weapons that he can use, look again what i wrote, it's funny that you pick certain things out of my thread. Thor hammer can kill anything when charge, belt of strength. mystic armor which is indistructable, gaunlets to wear to unleash the hammer true power. And thor killed himself to destroyed the 4 celestials gods
Linkalicious
Originally posted by the Darkone
in seconds you are talking stupid.
and in English that means?
I'm sorry....WHAT?
I know Thor sacraficed himself and his people so that the loop would start over. Thanks for your horrible usage of 5 otherwise good words.
I think you better read it again.
No where in your post did you say Thor has fought many beings "that would crush Doomsday in seconds."
All you said was that Thor fought Thanos, Galactcus, etc. etc. I clearly stated fighting a being is different than beating a being.
His God status means absolutely nothing. He has been defeated before, he has been outsmarted, and he has been wrong about things. Gods are omnipotent...they don't make mistakes, they can't be beaten, God are supposed to be incapable of mistakes.
Mjolnir is his only "weapon." The rest of the things you stated are articles of clothing or armor...some augment his powers, but they themselves are not "weapons."
Again, I think you need to be the one to look at what you wrote.
I quoted every word of your last post and did not erase any comment you made.
Horrible grammar and English aside....
Juggernaut, Exitar, and Galctcus all were albe to survive Thor's "strongest" attack.
Exitar was able to do it while the Belt of Strength was wrapped around Mjolnir helping to contain the power of the blast. The blast was so strong that after it, Mjolnir crumbled.
When Thor went into Exitar's head, acidic minions who's job was to protect Exitar's brain were able to destroy this "indestructable" mystic armor.
And you've got to be kidding me about killing 4 Celestial Gods. I'll believe it when I see some form of proof.
Back to the drawing board.
marvelwiseman
You gotta understand Thor has more superhuman strength than the Hulk who proved capable of lifting 150,000,000,000 tons of weight during the secret wars, and thor can put on his belt of strength and double his power. He also wields the Odinforce he inherited form his father which rates amongst the more powerful beings of marvel, he is also powered by asgardian runes. And about Thor's speed, with the Odinforce and even without he has superhuman speed nearing supermans, surfers, and gladiators. I don't think Doomsday stands a chance.
jinzin
umm a few things, first off, since when is thor physically stronger than Hulk? WTF? at base strength..... maybe, have you seen many of the thor vs. hulk fights? they ain't pretty (for thor I mean)
second, so what about Hulk's speed? DD's been compared to the flash beofore.
and third, you should probably stop arguing with linkalicious....I'll i see is him humiliating you.
BootlegBoys420
we have that comic that you are talking about LINKA.great story.Anyway kgkg you really sweat Thor dont you!check it,Thor is great and all but DD will put Thor in it.DD cant be beat.DC always has to find a loope hole to stop him.hence put him at the end of time,and he got out anyway.What makes you think Thor can comp.BY THE POWER OF ODIN!PLEASE!Anybody who cries out to there father all the time is a sissy in are book!
WE RUN THESE STREETS!!!
FrothByte
Originally posted by BootlegBoys420
we have that comic that you are talking about LINKA.great story.Anyway kgkg you really sweat Thor dont you!check it,Thor is great and all but DD will put Thor in it.DD cant be beat.DC always has to find a loope hole to stop him.hence put him at the end of time,and he got out anyway.What makes you think Thor can comp.BY THE POWER OF ODIN!PLEASE!Anybody who cries out to there father all the time is a sissy in are book!
WE RUN THESE STREETS!!!
if it was the doomsday that supes fought... then id give the win to thor after a long hard battle. supes had a difficult time with dd coz supes was too one dimensional in his fight. thor has such a variety of attacks he could use on dd. the godforceblast could easily kill dd, end of story.
even if dd gets resurrected and goes after thor, thor might be king thor in that time already and has new ways to kill dd then.
Linkalicious
I assume that when you refer to him as "the Doomsday that Supes fought" you are only refering to when Superman came back to life and kicked his ass.
Did you ever actually read what happens when Doomsday gets ressurected? He tore through Apokolips, nearly killed Darkseid, beat the sh!t out of Superman....and didn't even get hurt.
Supes dodged his lunge and Gabriel opened up a portal to the End of Time that Doomsday fell into. Apparently Brainiac freed him, but I never read that comic.
kgkg
I do agree that physically Thor can't win this.
I am sure he can hold him off and send him to another dimension for a win.
jinzin
seriously, read about the improvements that motherbox gives to superman, Superman addmitedly states that for his fight with DD in hunter prey he was using all of his powers to their fullest, he said that he had to use the combination of his speed, flight, heat vison, super strength, and mother box weapons in order to fight DD the second time, he realized that trying to use just brute strength was no way tofight DD, and DD kicked his ass anyway, all the amped up superman did was slow down the inevitable, if superman hadn't found a loophole through using the time gauntlet, DD would have killed him.
Once again I plea..........Thor can't take on Hulk most of the time, what do you think DD would do to him?
kgkg
how do you know DD can beat Hulk?
Hulk gets stonger and stronger , if he last long enough one punch will send doomsday flying to another galaxy.
he has no limits on how much power he can get.
jinzin
because DD gets stronger and stronger too. Superman is physically stronger than the Hulk, DD is stronger than Supes by leagues, DD secrets poisons, that would slow hulks healing factor down, and DD has already been beaten by brute force anyway which is all Hulk's got. DD has even been able to adapt or evolve past attacks during the attacks....he doesn't need death to evolve, as is the general misconception. Hulk (if he's reeeeeeeeeallly pissed can at best hold DD at a stalemate, but never beat him. logically anyways.
btw. I like your sig pic. cool stuff.
Linkalicious
Actually, Superman openly admits that Hulk is stronger, but Hulk has never dominated Superman like Doomsday does.
Superman gets nightmares about Doomsday...not Hulk
jinzin
lol. when did supes admit to Hulks strength advantage, wasn't that in a fight that lasted two days or so? anyways the other two times these two fought superman just stood there taking Hulk's blows like they were coming from a 4 year old, and the other time supes kicked hulks ass.
Now I know there's that 3rd crossover where the two throw down, but I haven't been able to get my mitts on that one yet.
Sentry
If it was Thor with his father's Odin Force, he will defeat Doomsday. Normal Thor would probably get killed. He'd put up a fight, but he'd die. The same with Superman. King Thor + Superman = King Thor winner.
Two birds with one stone.
Linkalicious
I have some $10 one that was written in...ummm....1999 I believe.
Hulk goes on a rampage in the desert and Superman goes to stop him. Somehow Superman gets him in a bear hug and when Hulk breaks free by slamming his arms outward...the resulting force sent Superman up to the tip of the atmosphere.
Superman then proceeded to use heat vision and his brain to make Hulk get sick of fighting Supes...so he just jumped off into the sunset.
jinzin
yep that's the one i haven't been able to get yet. how long did the fight last?
Zahit
There were two Supes/Hulk fights in that book.
It was superbly written. Great artwork.
I highly recommend that book.
It feels like a cross between an old Lee/Kirby comic
and an old Superman comic.
A treat for long-time comic fans.
Linkalicious
I just liked how Superman was able to say Hulk was stronger....but still proved that muscles aren't everything.
Zahit
Here's a pic of the cover of that book. it's good. buy it.
Best marvel/dc crossover i've ever read.
Even the continuity is impecable.
http://www.buyersmls.com/comics/hulksuperman/Oldsuphu.jpg
kgkg
i don't know why people are using crossovers as facts
Cosmic Cube
Originally posted by jinzin
lol. when did supes admit to Hulks strength advantage, wasn't that in a fight that lasted two days or so? anyways the other two times these two fought superman just stood there taking Hulk's blows like they were coming from a 4 year old, and the other time supes kicked hulks ass.
Now I know there's that 3rd crossover where the two throw down, but I haven't been able to get my mitts on that one yet.
Actually, no.
Since we're considering crossovers to be canon, in the first crossover, Superman blocked two of Hulk's punches. That was Pre-Crisis Superman. Current day Supes would get floored.
Hulk also knocked Pre-Crisis Superman clear out of Metropolis with one of those "4-year-old" punches.
Superman himself has admitted that Hulk is stronger.
Cosmic Cube
Can you say, "Hwff!?"
kgkg
i have that comic hulk lost what a rip off.
that's why i hate crossover , Spectre and LT are brothers??
Lobo got beat ; it's stupid i tell ya.
Linkalicious
Originally posted by kgkg
i don't know why people are using crossovers as facts
Not facts, just opinions.
In your honest opinion, do you see Superman brushing off a punch from the incredible Hulk like Hulk was a 4 year old?
kgkg
i said it many times , i give this to battle to superman , if he kocks the hulk fast enough.
But hulk can also win remember what he did to Gladiator who is like pre-crisis superman.
Superman has to end it fast , which will be hard.
i give 6/10 wins to superman
Cosmic Cube
There you go.
HWFF!
jinzin
the hell have you even seen the comic i'm talkin about? hulk has a device in his ear thats making him pissed as hell. Superman flies down and does his thing (stands there fists at his hips) and Hulk lays into him foe like a page or something ans supes just keeps standing there. Eventually he takes the device out of hulk's ear and hulk calms down. Yeah of course Hulk CAN become stronger than supes but it's gonna take awhile for it to happen. Anyway's I see this as irrelivant, since Superman has a vast array of other powers to hand hulk his ass with. ....well that and the fact that this is about thor and dd.
Kento
Is it just me or does anything Supes related come back to Hulk, and Superman??
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