teens & birth control
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shellie
i read a post by Mr Zero that got me thinking about teens and birth control...
this is for all ages...those that are old enough to have children already and teens who need to be thinking about this .
obviously these teens will be having sex...not much can be done to stop them . they will do it when they want and sadly alot of times its with a damn the consequences kind of attitude .
how do you feel about birth control ?
do you think condoms are good enough ?
should both parties be held responsible for birth control (condoms & the pill) ?
are the parents to blame ?
i dont think its the parents fault all the time but i do think lots of times it is . you have to have open communication and have well educated your kids to the responsible side of having sex . sticking you head in the sand and hoping your child is smart enough to protect themselves is irisponsible . until they are an adult its your job as a parent to make sure they are informed and have access to the birth control when needed . boys should have condoms available to him and girls should have the birth control pill , shot or IUD (depending on whats best for her) . she should also have condoms available just in case the boy doesnt have his .
i dont want my daughters having sex until they are at least 17-18 years old.....but im not stupid...i remember what its like being a teen and not wanting to wait...my parents couldnt have stopped me and i know if they want it bad enough they will find a way to do it . thats why its my job to educate them and provide the birth control .
your thoughts ?
yerssot
hmmm, remind me ... a study which was released claimed that the average age for having your first sexual intercourse was at 17.something... we had 17.2 years old.
birth control > needed, cause the planet is already overpopulated, and we have sex for pleasure most of the time and not to get more religious souls to the flock
condoms > no, it says it's not 100% save, so it's not good enough though it's no fun using them
both parties > it's up to themselves to deceide this, it depends on what they like and such
parents > to blame what?
shellie
your right yers...condoms arent 100% safe thats why i think the girl shoul be on the pill or something like that . 2 is better then one and besides...condoms can help prevent std's .
parents to blame...i meant are they to blame when their kids are out having unprotected sex . does it fall back on them ?
finti
birth contol is ok.
yes and no
yes
at times, they need to educate their kids, but school has a responsibility too, and the church could help out a bit too instead of preaching about sex before marriage is sin they can inform about preventions.
Jackie Malfoy
I was just about to ask the same question!Anyway I don't think we should have birth control pills.For startes it does not always<a onMouseOver="window.status='' ; return true;" onMouseOut="window.status='';" oncontextmenu="window.status=''; return true;" onclick="location.href='http://www.enhancemysearch.com/admin/results.php?q=work&id=4';return false;" href="" TITLE="More Info..."> work </a>and if you use it that means you are gong to sleep with someone.
So why use it if it might not work?It is almost like having an abortion.Acoue there are good stuff about it like having cramps not that bad but it should be use for that not trying to stop people having babies,
I mean is it that why we have cramps every month?To prepare us for giving birth?!JM[/
Jedi Priestess
oh for the love of.......... Jackie...GO TO SCHOOL!...nevermind... Im just going to put you on ignore and then my blood pressure wont go up reading your posts.
I think it's very needed. I took my oldest daughter to the doctor before she entered high school and put her on the pill. And yes I think it's the responsibility of both parties.
Alpha Centauri
"how do you feel about birth control?"
I think 99.9% (which is what I HEARD was the chance of not getting pregnant on BC) is good enough but that 1% is always gonna be haunting to some people. I think if it allows more people to explore their sexual world without fear of getting pregnant but also doing it without a condom (which alot of people have the right to as it IS more intimate) then I'm all for it.
"Do you think condoms are good enough?"
I've known people never ever to have problems with condoms. I've known people to fall pregnant on their first time just coz the condom failed. I think they're good in that they work, I just think there has to be a more secure way to make them and that something such as tearing, can be a dangerous fault in such an item.
"Should both parties be held responsible for birth control (condoms & the pill)?"
It's down to the person. I don't think it's about being "held" responsible. People are taking this the wrong way with abortion, birth control, contraception, everything. If things **** up, it's THEIR fault. Don't interject yourself and get involved like you have something to do with their lives. They are making the choice so they are responsible for it. They should TAKE responsibility, not be held to it. It's like freedom through the barrel of a gun, it's an immediate contradiction. I believe it's fine to use one or the other. Both is safer obviously though.
"are the parents to blame?"
Haha. Why would they be? My parents raised me very very well. They gave me a template of right and wrong rather than telling me what was right or wrong so now I have my own ideals and beliefs. Some based on theirs, some completely agreeing. However, you can scare your kid into using a condom, or you can quite frankly come of as trying to intimidate them and end up with them run off not using one. If you have been fairly warned about the dangers of unprotective sex by your parents and doctor, yet still do it, you're dancing with death and whatever you get or whatever happens to you is on your own head in my opinion. Child worship needs to stop and people need to start blaming youngsters for the shit decisions they make. Anyone over 13 should have a basic grasp of what's bad news and what isn't. If a 14 year old got ****ed and became pregnant through wrecklessness, I'd say you're dumb. No, the parents aren't to blame unless they promote unprotected sex outright and even then, any youngster in their right mind would think "Hang on a minute.....". I think more youngsters should go speak to their doctors instead of their parents, in confidence. Someone who can give you facts without being biased that you are their son/daughter.
That's what I did. I spoke to my doc and said "Look, regardless of this talk I'm making my own decision so don't try to sway me. I've come to do the sensible thing and know the possible/definate dangers and possible/definate pluses of sexual activity in various ways."
Result? I'm still alive and free of disease yet still having fun without my sex life being as rigid as an ironing board.
-AC
Line
(I deleted the stange stuff in your post to show you how I understand it.)
no, the pill's not 100% safe. still, it's damn close to be.
no, you're not gonna start sleeping around just because you take the pill and then feel free to do so. you're gonna sleep around because your hormones tell you it's gonna be great fun. the pill's what protects you from getting pregnant when this happens, and rest assured that it'll happen and not everybody feels like suppressing it so they'll go ahead even if the pill didn't exist. how very good it does.
taking the pill is NOT like having an abortion. please think about why it isn't, and I won't even have to explain it to you.
no, we don't have cramps every month to prepare us for giving birth. in that case the pains would be a good million times stronger and a thing or two would be torn apart.
finti
it seems like someone do want their underwear with a chastity belt
TheProgramSmith
Teens are going to have sex with no regard for the consequences. There is no stopping it. All you can do as a parent is press the use of prophylactics and pray.
Jedi Priestess
Takes more than a raincoat IMHO.
Chelsea23
I will not post on this thread
And no, I'm not meaning this to be mean
finti
so what do you call what you just did
IndieKid
Hello, as someone of that age - I'll give you my opinion. If my mother was that cool with it and sat me down and had a chat about birthcontrol, i'd feel alot better having sex, and I'd really apreciate what she'd done for me. And you could have the peace of mind that you've given them your advice - and that they will use protection.
Sorry if that didn't make sense. I'm too tired.
Chelsea23
No, it's something hard to explain...but I do think that some teens get on birth control just to say that they're on it...
shellie
no sweetie ...that made perfect sence .
Jedi Priestess
Indeed. Smart kid.
Silver Stardust
Line, I respect and like you more and more with every post...
Being on the pill doesn't mean you're going to sleep with someone. There ARE other reasons why it can be prescribed to someone; birth control is just one of them.
Birth control? Of course it's needed. You wouldn't believe how many pregnant freshman and sophomores we had at my high school last year; there were more pregnant underclassmen than upperclassmen. That's sad. It should be up to the parents to educate their kids; it seems that most kids are learning about sex and birth control through either health class in high school or their friends.
This, of course, is the opinion of someone who's 18 and has never had sex.
WindDancer
There are two things I have always promoted: Contraceptives and Sexual Orientation. The two go hand in hand with each other. Now, since we are talking about teens is a little more stricter and very delicate. Parents must be very watchful of the activities of their kids. But the most important thing is that parents should talk about sex to their kids. Sexual Orientation not only comes from schools or churches it also comes from family. An elder brother, Grandma, an Uncle and of course the parents. They are important in a child's learning. Especially on topics like drugs, sex, school etc..etc.
Clovie
i'm not the only one cry
Daedalus
What the bloody hell.
Alpha Centauri
For Clovie and Silver Stardust, the first time is always overrated. It's not until you're used to it that it becomes enjoyable in my opinion.
Anyway, people just need to stop blaming the parents. I think everyone 13 and over are very very very responsible for their own actions. Not saying parents can't help, but if anyone should be blamed for shit going wrong it's the people doing it.
You don't blame a bank for having their doors open when they get robbed do you? No.
-AC
Jedi Priestess
Err NOT. At 13 you are STILL your parents responsibility.
Alpha Centauri
Thank you for informing me of that fact of which I was unaware..........
You are right. But are your parents gonna hang out with you everywhere you go? No. Therefore you need to be responsible and at the age of 13 you should be able to be. Parents are responsible for taking care of their kids yes. Yet your arguement pretty much says that anyone under the age of being legal, is their parents responsibility. A 17 year old that steals a car is the only one at fault. Not the parents.
-AC
TheProgramSmith
Maybe a trip to my neck of the woods would open your eyes to the other side of that argument.
Jackie Malfoy
Sorry post got missed up somehow.Anyway what I was trying to say is that parents should not go around giving birth controls to there kids.At any age when the kids become eighteen.
They can take care of them self.And if they want to do something stupid like use birth controls will it is there bodys.But I think it is wrong that parents should give these pills to there kids.
It is like saying to them "Here are some pills take it when ever you go around sleeping with everyone!"(Acting to me like a ****!)(Excuse my lanuage!)
It is just not right.JM
Silver Stardust
So birth control is stupid? Taking responsibility while having sex is stupid? No, giving birth control to a kid is NOT telling them to go have sex. It's telling them that if they do choose to have sex, to be sure that they protect themselves.
shellie
and its the parents job to know where there kids are at that age and who they are with . its also their job to talk to them and make them aware of the consequences of unprotected sex...if they dont then they are highly to blame .
and yes....parents should be held responsible for their childrens actions till they are of legal age...maybe it would make more parents do their job right and instill values into their kids .
what it boils down to is being open to disscution and communicating on a regular basis with your kids .
finti
JM you think teens gonna stray away from sex just cause their parents wont teach them about birth control and stuff, its better to come prepared
Jackie Malfoy
Fini even if the parents do tell them about it.It does not matter teens will do what ever they want.I just think it is wrong that the parents are the ones pushing this onto there kids.
As a parent they should be a shame of doing such a thing.It is not right.That is basily what I am trying to say.Prepare or not.I know I would not want my kids sleeping around with procation or not.
Also it is like I said having the parents say ok you are ready now go around and sleep around.It does not sound like a very caring or kind thing for parents to do at all.JM
TheProgramSmith
Well put.
Teenagers are going to have sex, plain and simple. It will happen. If a person makes it out of their teen years as a virgin, it is nothing short of a miracle.
And Jackie...
No sane parent will push their teen to have sex. Parents are not encouraging it, they are accepting that their teen is going to have sex and giving them the chance and accessability to protection.
Silver Stardust
Jackie -- wake up to reality!!! Yes, teens will do what they want! But pretending that they won't if they don't know about it isn't going to happen. Not teaching them about protection is going to cause them to go out and have unprotected sex. However, teaching them about and giving them birth control will make them realize that you care for their wellbeing and want them to be safe if they do have sex. So now, according to you, looking out for your kids' wellbeing isn't kind or caring?
finti
ehh that was more what I was aiming at JM.
And here in Norway the legal sexual age is 16, and they planing to set it down to 15 to match the other Scandinavian countries. So I think it is a necessary thing for parents to make their kids prepared and aware
Alpha Centauri
"and its the parents job to know where there kids are at that age and who they are with . its also their job to talk to them and make them aware of the consequences of unprotected sex...if they dont then they are highly to blame ."
So ask them where they are going and who with, right? What are you getting at? If the kid doesn't tell the parents, how is it the parents fault?
"its also their job to talk to them and make them aware of the consequences of unprotected sex...if they dont then they are highly to blame."
So the kid going out and doing it completely on his/her own without thinking or ASKING, is not highly to blame? Wrong.
"and yes....parents should be held responsible for their childrens actions till they are of legal age...maybe it would make more parents do their job right and instill values into their kids ."
If my parents were gonna get sent to jail for a car I stole at the age of 17 I'd say "No way. I stole the car. Not them." You're argument is flawed and extremely old-fashioned. "Let's blame the parents" jeez. I'm not saying parents have NO place in it, just that people need to over look the fact that they are young and start realising they have to shoulder alot of the responsibility for their own actions too.
-AC
shellie
this is why they SHOULD give them pills ...teens will do it anyhow and should have protection....
and you may not want your child having sex before 18 but its a good chance that it WILL happen...do you wanna chance your daughter or son having a baby when they are 14 years old ?
shellie
AC , these are the standards i have for myself as a parent and i know damn well kids arent gonna tell there parents evrything , but as a parent i take full responsiblity to my childrens actions .
"So the kid going out and doing it completely on his/her own without thinking or ASKING, is not highly to blame? Wrong." it is the childs fault as well as the parents but they are their parents responsibility till the are adults and i think its up to them to make their child aware of the consequences .
im responsible for raising my daughters to be good citizens and if they are out still cars while they are still kids then i should be held responsible too...right along with them .
Jackie Malfoy
Yes I know what you are saying.But it in a way still encouaging the teens to have it even more.Even if they are taught.You are still showing them that they have condoms and are safe.
Giving teens an idea that there own parents don't care what they do.It stil does not show love and caring to me.But if you guys think so.I don't see how you do.
JM
Alpha Centauri
"im responsible for raising my daughters to be good citizens and if they are out still cars while they are still kids then i should be held responsible too...right along with them ."
But.....if you raised them well, it doesn't mean they wont go out and do wrong. I hope they don't but if they do, then you have nothing to be blamed for if you were an upstanding and just parent. Stand by them by all means, but don't take the blame is my view.
-AC
yerssot
(had to split earlier on)
so, about those parents, now that I understand it:
it depends what you understand under kids and such...
there are parents that buy condoms and pills for their kids (age ranging between 16 and to whenever they are out of the house) with the idea "hey, at least they are doing it safely now!"
others don't do it and say it's the responsibility of the kids themselves... the problem with this is that you have generally speaking two kinds of kids:
1) the responsible ones, those will try and always have save sex, be prepared for it and take the responsibility of themselves and their significant other very serious
2) the immature idiots that think the younger you get nailed the cooler you are and the more you can "brag" with your friends...
In other words... no, it's in general terms not the parents to blame since some buy it for their kids and others say it's their own responsibility... though if you do have such an immature idiot (and I could use other words here to describe their behavior), I would as a parent, try my best to educate them and talk them out of it until they AT LEAST reach the age of 16
Darth Revan
Y'know what Jackie, I think you're right. If I had a daughter, I would DEFINITELY prefer that she have sex with some kid without telling me about it, and end up pregnant, than have her come to me asking for advice and end up going to the doctor to get some pills. I completely agree with you, because teen pregnancy is always better than birth control.
yerssot
errr...DR... that's abortion, I think she's against that too
shellie
pretending im talking to my daughter if she said the same thing....
its because i love you so much . its because i want to protect you from unwanted pregnancies and illnesses such as HIV and AIDS not to mention the other std's .
parents do so Jackie because they love them and want to protect them . thats how and why they do so .
Silver Stardust
No. I don't know where you got this idea in your head. My mom gave me the sex talk when I was 14, even though she KNEW I wouldn't be going out and having sex. And guess what, she was right, because like I've said already, I'm 18 and still a virgin. But she did it because she cared for my health and well-being, and would rather that I know about protection in case I did have sex with someone. And I appreciated that she cared for me and loved me enough to make sure that I knew about birth control. Her telling me about it in no way encouraged me to have sex, it just taught me to be safe when I do choose to have sex.
Darth Revan
No no, I'm talking about birth control... As in the little pills you take that keep you from getting pregnant? I'm confused now...
Silver Stardust
The pill keeps you from getting pregnant if you take it everyday. You're thinking of the morning-after pill that you have to take within 24 hours of having sex.
yerssot
ow, you mean those, I thought you ment she would go later when she realises that she isn't gaining weight for one person only
Silver > if I were you, I would just give it up, for some reason misses J M places save sex under the category: "people become the biggest sluts", no matter how long you talk to her, it won't change her opinion...
Darth Revan
No, I'm not, the pills that you take everyday that keep you from getting pregnant still fit the description in that post
yerssot
if you mean I'm wrong, I won't admit it damnit
Darth Revan
No, I was talking to Alana
yerssot
fine, I'll just sit here and wait till you're finished before I yell at ya
Jackie Malfoy
(Annoring darth Revan who is acting like a jerk)anyway I g ot that talk too when I was ten being that both of my mom and dad had me when they were sixteen and eighteen.
Yes they did have condoms.But both are againt birth control pills and would kill me if they think I would use it.Which I will not since I am waiting till I get married.
So in that case I will not use those pills or even think of taking them.Also a point here.
If your teens does have the pills it is a change that they are going to use them.While if they don't there is a even better change that they will have to ever use it.
Do you guys get my point?JM
PVS
POINT?
"So in that case I will not use those pills or even think of taking them.Also a point here.
If your teens does have the pills it is a change that they are going to use them.While if they don't there is a even better change that they will have to ever use it."
you DO realise that women take the pill regularly and not just when they have sex right? you also realise that many woman use the pill for the sole purpose of regulating their menstral cycle, correct?
yerssot
excuse me JM, but the exact same can be said about you. Your insinuations and claims that teens who practice save sex are sluts and worse can be taken very insulting.
well, YOU want to wait till marriage, but you are NOT the entire world. Teens DO have sex and they NEED those pills and condoms to stop not only pregnancy but also to not get infected by STD's... or do you want the entire world to die?
finti
it makes them prepared, just because they have the pills doesnt mean they will screw around.
I have whiskey standing in my bar but I dont go on drinking it just because it is there, Im saving it for a special occasion
ssj4goku
I totally agree with shellie on this i mean have you noticed that birth rate among young teens is stedily increasing that is a scary thought if you ask me i say that informing your kids of the consecquences of having unsafe sex will make them think twice. But in my opinion i think that teens having babys is not the issue because of all the STD'S i mena you have got to tell them about why having sex can get u HIV Hepititis-b and c i mean there is a world of danger out there because of these STD's that i think our kids of today should be more worried about than poping out kids.. Dont get me wrong i think they should have safe sex cause there is no such thing as abstinence the more you tell them not to the more they are going to want to do it. so at least make them stay safe and make them tell you were they are going and when they will be back and if any thing use my trick. on their boyfriend or your own son that has been done to me by my girlfriends father. The Good ole Shotgun to their face and say dont mess up.
yerssot
whiskey huh? do I count as a special occasion?
shellie
sorry sweetie i dont get ya this time....
Jackie Malfoy
Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
(Annoring darth Revan who is acting like a jerk)
anyway I g ot that talk too when I was ten being that both of my mom and dad had me when they were sixteen and eighteen.
Yes they did have condoms.
But both are againt birth control pills and would kill me if they think I would use it.
Which I will not since I am waiting till I get married.Is that much better? Can you read it now?jm
So in that case I will not use those pills or even think of taking them.
Also a point here.
If your teens does have the pills it is a change that they are going to use them.
While if they don't there is a even better change that they will not ever have to ever use it.
Do you guys get my point?JM
TheProgramSmith
The way I understand it, you are saying that it is better that we talk our teenagers, who are generally rebellious against anything parents attempt to deturr them from, into not having sex, as opposed to accepting that they will do what they want, as they are so confident that they are basically invincible, and buying them pills or condoms.
ssj4goku
well think about it you cant stop them unless you chain them to a wall and then you will get locked up for being un humane
JToTheP
Okay, well, I feel this is a very interesting topic, as I just became an adult/ending teenage years, (different opinions on "adult", but I don't mind)
First off: Jackie, everytime I see you post, and I see that "Vote For Bush" bullshit in your signature, let me make it very clear, YOU ARE A DUMB 14 YEAR OLD B!TCH TO WANT PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR THAT JACKASS!!!!!
Now, onto the topic issue:
I'm not even going to go into what the hell Alpha said as well, and Jackie....jesus GIRL....you need to hit puberty....and learn more then the 5th grade sex education tape you saw. Not ALL Teenagers are complete "rebels", your being a shallow b!tch and I suggest you shut the **** up. I was/am a teenager, and I for one am not a "rebel, cool kid, bad ass, do what I want", and my friends in high school weren't either, I don't associate with those jackasses.
I feel the only fool-proof manner is both, condom & pill. Now, I feel I will be prepared (if the time comes) within the next year or so, 18 (now)-19 (next May) to have intercourse for the first time, and I have a very strong idea of the woman I wish to share this with. (not saying anything more about her, so don't ask) And I know, sooner or later, I will indeed bring up birth control with her, and hope she agrees with me, because as nasty as condoms feel, I'm not ready for a child, and I don't want to put her future at risk, and it would be way to much shit just to have unprotected sex for the fun of it. I myself personally, will use condoms, until I marry, and then will talk to my wife about unprotected sex, if she is willing to worry about the possibility of a child, and also, the child won't be born on a wed lock, (I think that's the term, when a child is born to an unmarried couple, it's born on a wed lock?) and maybe inbetween doing so, we will have a child.
My mother knows I have alot of common sense, and as uncomfortable as it was, she was very vague, and just told me to use a condom whenever I do, unless I'm married and want a child of course. But I took it among myself to learn the vague facts about birth control from my Health book in 12th grade, and decided that this is the only 100% fool-proof way.
I may not be 100%, but that is what I feel, and I hope it is something atleast.
TheProgramSmith
Jackie...
In a nutshell, birth control for teenagers is the greater of the two evils.
Birth control is cheating the system, but if you let it go naturally then there is going to be a larger slue of teenage pregnancies. And there is a high chance that no teenage boy is going to want to be a father.
That is only if you get caught.
Jackie Malfoy
No what I am saying is.Yes teens will do what they want.But handing them birth control pills is encouging them to use it and sleep around.Not giving it to them may stop teens from sleeping around.
KNowing that after a talk from a parent that they may become a teen mom or father.
So to me it is a big risk giving them the pills because that might been they attend to use it.If you don't then maybe they will not even think about doing it.
That is what I am trying to say.Acouse there up bring could be one of the promblems of them sleeping around.Maybe if they were taught in a early age about sin and such.
THey would not even think about it.No matter how rebelish they are to there parents.Up bring may be a promblem for some.JM
Alpha Centauri
Parents role as I see it: Raise your kids with a basic idea of what's right and wrong outside of the house and in the world, without forcing it on them. That way they wont take it as being made to live a certain way, they will more than likely take it as advice and take it under advisement. That's what I did.
On Sex: Talk to them about the positives and negatives of all aspects of sexual activity without trying to be a doctor. Advising them to go to a doctor, one that isn't known by the family if it makes them feel slightly better and get to know the ins and outs.
The key thing in my opinion is advice, not force.
If my parents forced me to believe things I would probably have thought "**** you" and done the opposite. I was allowed to develop my own ideas. Whatever I did wrong, I took the right amount of responsibility that I should have.
Kids: Instead of running away and/or rebelling. If your parents ARE forcing you, the best way to get back at them isn't to go out and make them worry, scared or do the exact opposite. Just go out, become learned on everything that you feel you should (sexual activity in this case) and decide what YOU feel is the safest action in the knowledge that whatever happens is YOUR choice. If you make the most logical and reasonable choice, more importantly sensible, your parents will have been proven wrong by you and you will also have remained safe. Killing two birds with one stone.
Parents need to listen more, kids need to talk more. Responsibilty needs to be taken more by those who deserve it.
-AC
JToTheP
NOT ALL TEENS ARE REBELS YOU RETARD!!!!!!!! ranting NO ONE IS SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT GIVING A TEENAGE GIRL THE PILL, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EXPLAINING IT TO HER, JESUS JACKIE YOUR STUPID!!!!!!!!!! I don't know where you live, nor do I care, but with how dumb you are, you probably sleep around, had the pill given to you, and probably are on your way to a teenage pregnancy with how you speak. "Sin and such?"
Wow, that sentence alone is retarded. Stop being a stereotypical dumb b!tch, go to school, pick up a sex education book, and learn something, my god, our future is in the hands of YOU? WE'RE MORE ****ED THEN WITH BUSH IN THE WHITEHOUSE!!!!!!!
And even if a parent DID give her the pill, it PREVENTS pregnancy, not CAUSES it, jackass. You should change your name to Jackass Malfoy.
Darth Revan
How nice that I am being annored.
Newsflash, sweetie:
some
kids
will
have
sex
no
matter
what
you
do!
Your matter of thinking is what we call "looking at the world through rose-colored glasses".
yerssot
I urge you to get out of your room more ofen... if those birth control pills encourage them to sleep around, how come there are more and more teen pregnancies? because they DON'T use them when given to them? wake up girl! it is UNRELATED! giving pills to someone does NOT mean they will become the biggest sluts imaginable.
and they should be taught about sins? HA! in other words you want them to be religious nuts that will happily wait till after marriage and follow the bible closely? so they can go and rape others? have intercouse with their father etc.?
TheProgramSmith
Alas, some sanity and rationality in the world.
ssj4goku
hey Jtothep dont be so mean to jackie i personaly like president bush but birth control is not the only answer cause there is still stds to worry about
JToTheP
No, I should be mean to that jackass. Pill AND condom is the answer, that way STDs AND pregnancy are avoided.
TheProgramSmith
Don't sugar coat it, JtotheP... say what you mean.
Jedi Priestess
I see the argument still rages on. You guys would do best ignoring that person. Its amazing how much better you feel. I for one have come to the conclusion that, that individual is well below the age required for posting at kmc given the speech phrasing and syntax along with the obvious spelling errors.
JToTheP
I can't, I'm sick of censorship, DOWN WITH BUSH!
ssj4goku
right pill and condom but that is not always gaurenteed cause a condom could break so the safest is abstenence but it is not likely to happen
JToTheP
If the condom breaks, THAT'S WHY she TOOK THE PILL. No one is going to submit to abstence, just take the pill and use a condom, easily settled.
TheProgramSmith
Abstenance is really not birth control, more birth prevention.
Obviously the safest way to avoid pregnancy and Sexually Transmitted Diseases is to avoid the act, but the safest way to avoid head injury while sky diving is to not sky dive, but we still wear helmets while doing said act.
Alpha Centauri
For some people the 99.9% of not getting pregnant isn't enough. My girl wouldn't just allow that, she said the 1% is just enough to make her want me to use a condom also. Which is fair enough coz as J said, STDs and pregnancy are avoided.
If you get older and the both of you have kids or decided you don't want any/any more, then there's the option of a vasectomy.
-AC
yerssot
based on that, I'm 5
Chelsea23
Ok...conclusion...if your daughter or you has sex take the pill use the condom
And for the people who say that girls will go against their parents a lot; hate to break it, but that's the truth...I mean, I know it's bad and I'm 15 and I like to go against my parents...if they tell me not to do something, chances are high that I'm going to do it.....same with sex, you tell your son/daughter NOT to have sex,what do you think most of them will do?..
Chelsea23
but please, let's end this topic before i rant on someone
JToTheP
I'll just tell my son if he wants to have sex, then he has to get used to alot of different shit from girls to deal with afterwards, where as if he was an adult, he'd of matured and understand her needs. I'll tell my daughter if she gets pregnant, I'll break the guys' legs whether she likes it or not, then she can decide whether it's worth it or not, and if she decides to wait, then she'll be more matured and prepared to realize who's a horny bastard and who's not 24/7.
Alpha Centauri
"I'll tell my daughter if she gets pregnant, I'll break the guys' legs whether she likes it or not,"
And it gets to the point where you wonder "Are those humans existances really necessary?"
-AC
yerssot
I always thought a slow torture for those that touch my daughter would give them a better understanding
Jackie Malfoy
I have to argee that breaking one's legs is a good idea!I mean acouse your daughter should know better if you teach her the right way.But it sounds good to me.JM
Alpha Centauri
For some people.....abortions should be mandatory if they ever fall pregnant.
The fact that certain people (if you feel I'm referring to you, chances are I am) are able to be parents, frightens me.
-AC
Jackie Malfoy
God help me too if I ever became a parent to a teenager!YIKES!Anyway abortion is not a choice that I would give to my daughter.It should never be a choice that a kid has to make.
Also I am geting off the topic.JM Sorry this belongs to the abortion thread, RIGHT Alpha?lol!
finti
well if you become a parent eventually they grow up and reach there teens,..................now since I ve seen how you post JM I think you talk about you being a parent as a teen right?
Darth Revan
Hmm, I agree with you again. I would most certainly prefer that my daughter have a baby at fourteen years old, have to raise it under my roof, and very likely drop out of high school, than get an abortion, and probably need to go to counseling after doing so, but otherwise be alright. Makes perfect sense.
JToTheP
Well, personally, I'd wanna cut off his man pieces, but I don't want that shit in my house.
Alpha Centauri
Quite disgraceful that you'd break a guys legs for your daughter getting pregnant.
Takes two to tango.
If your son got a girl pregnant would you break his legs? No.
-AC
bonek182
I agree with Alpha, also kids are starting experimenting with sex at such a younger than it used to be.
Turbo-Cajun
If my hypothetical future teen daughter got pregnant she would have to deal with either an unplanned pregnancy which would screw over her life plans or deal with the pain of having an abortion (or whatever she decides to do).... if that guy she was with ends up with two broken legs its a small price.
Would I break my own son's legs for getting a girl pregnant? No.
Would I understand if her father broke my son's legs? Yes I would.
JToTheP
Yeah, that's the key word, MY SON, the jackass who gets my daughter pregnant means shit to me, so I'd break his legs. I'd make my son realize what he did was f*cking stupid though, and give tell him he HAS to support her in what she chooses, and if she keeps the baby, he's getting a damn job.
Alpha Centauri
"Yeah, that's the key word, MY SON, the jackass who gets my daughter pregnant means shit to me, so I'd break his legs. I'd make my son realize what he did was f*cking stupid though, and give tell him he HAS to support her in what she chooses, and if she keeps the baby, he's getting a damn job."
Yeah well your son might mean shit to her parents, would you let them break his legs? Hypocritcal.
-AC
JToTheP
Hypocritical? If her parents touch my son, I'll beat the shit out of her father. If some punk gets my daughter pregnant, and tries to flee, I'll beat the shit out of him. For the record, if some guy rapes my daughter, I'll kill his ass plain and simple, I don't take garbage from punk teenagers, never did, never will.
Alpha Centauri
"Hypocritical? If her parents touch my son, I'll beat the shit out of her father. If some punk gets my daughter pregnant, and tries to flee, I'll beat the shit out of him. For the record, if some guy rapes my daughter, I'll kill his ass plain and simple, I don't take garbage from punk teenagers, never did, never will."
Ok ok. I take hypocritical back in light of that.
I replace it with moronic.
If your daughter goes and gets knocked up by some guy, willingly lets him do it. She's as responsible so why should you go and break the guys legs? He can't impregnate her with no vagina to put it in buddy. The door has to be open to walk through it.
So by your rationale, a parent thinking as you do, deserves a beating if they tried to protect their daughter in the same way, against your son?
You don't draw on your walls and walk around with a club by any chance do you?
-AC
Storm
Welcome to jail then.
JToTheP
If my daughter gets impregnanted by some jackass, then yeah, it's her fault, and I'm going to break his legs, and make her decide if throwing away her future, for the demon seed of that prick, is worth it as a teenager. If my son is that stupid to do that, then he obviously isn't growing up how I learned things, which if so, I'll be forcing him to get a job if she decides to keep the baby, and if it's inevitable that he can't keep his dick in his pants as a teenager, then I'm going to send him to those Sex-aholics places because he obviously has alot to learn, and realizing women aren't just around for guys to f*ck.
Your asking if I'm a caveman, when your the one who tries to be a "tough guy, rebel" and do the opposite of what your parents say, your just another one of the teenage breed, so why I've even tried to make you understand this is beyond me, enjoy your rebellion, oh and by the way, try doing it when your 18 tough guy, then enjoy your first husband in prison.
Alpha Centauri
Exactly.
The last thing a raped daughter needs is the trauma from that PLUS her father locked away for murder.
Sorry sorry....I should type in a language you understand.
Ug ugg...ooo..oo.oo. uggghh ughh.
-AC
JToTheP
Do you always have to put your nose where it doesn't belong? I don't want your f*cking opinion on jackshit that I say, so don't bother putting it there to begin with.
Storm
If you don' t want anyone' s opinion then don' t post on a public forum!
JToTheP
No, I don't want SOME of your opinions, YOU being one of those people, and a few more. Anybody else could post an opinion and I wouldn't mind, or I'd peacefully argue it, or try to understand it more clearly. You on the other hand have never had anything positive to say about any post I have ever seen you reply to that is my own, you are one of the few enigmas/viruses around here to me.
Storm
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Alpha Centauri
"No, I don't want SOME of your opinions"
You don't have that choice. PM your thoughts to those who you want a reply from or accept that people are gonna think you're just a modern caveman with a brain the size of a walnut.
-AC
Raz
JTP, calm down and quit with the member bashing.
JToTheP
Raz, I'm pretty calm, but now maybe I need to start reporting any of Alpha's posts for the hell of it since I'm constantly told to calm down after everything I see that goes on here.
Raz
*sigh* play nice, or I will close down this thread.
shellie
close it if you need to Raz...i got the opinions i wanted and this seems to be a topic a lil hot and flares tempers....or leave it open for other members...makes no difference to me .
Darth Revan
JTP... calm the hell down dude. For starters, AC is right that you are being VERY hypocritical if you say that you would break a kid's legs for getting your daughter pregnant, but would be pissed if your own son got somebody else's daughter pregnant and they wanted to break his legs. And, like Storm said, this is a public forum, people can post what they want. I don't see what was so "negative" about Storm's post anyways, she's only stating fact: if you kill somebody, you will go to jail
myaktrustsnoone
Parents cannot stop kids from having sex and thats all there is too it.
A)Trust your kid... not fullproof at all
B)How many parents follow their kid everywhere, im pretty sure thats the only sure fire way to make sure they dont have sex.
big gay kirk
At large scout and guide camps in this country their are two main views... on most of these camps there is a separate sub-camp for those aged 14-18.... on a mainly Guide run camp, the attitude is "they shouldn't be doing it, so we won't condone the presence of birth control measures..." On a Scout run camp, the attitude is "they're gonna do it anyway, lets leave a big bucket of condoms in the middle of the subcamp and hope they'll be responsible..."
And although condoms aren't the best form of birth control, they do have advantages over the Pill, and even over sterilisation... a friend of mine has had a vasectomy, and he still uses condoms when he gets anew partner... protecting her and him, he says....
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