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I was watching television last night (Smallville, baby! ) and I saw this news flash during a commercial or something to that effect with Billboards, etc., stating that homosexuals can be reformed. Apparently, there is a movement of some sorts in regards to this as well. Should we support reverting gays?

My opinion is no. If this is the case, should the gay community have a movement to make all straight people gay? This is nonesense! Let them be already.

and next will be the campaign to 'reform' black people so their skin turns white.

this is fascism, and it makes me sick.
i swear, so many republicans are the biggest hypocrites.
they dont want big government to tell them how to live,
but they want to tell everyone else how to live.
and back their bullshit up with junk science and their precious bible.
sickening

I know what you mean.

Why do so many people care what others are doing in the bedroom?

was it a joke or serious?

Do you have a link or something? That sounds really ****ed up, but I guess I'd like to read a little more about it before I lay into it.

-TC

The Republican motto should be "Live how you want, as long as it's how we want."

-AC

I can't wait until they invent the magic wand that un-gay-ify's people.

Then it'll be simpler than clicking your heels together...

How are there still people who think homosexuality is a choice?

its because the racist/sexist/homophobic right wing cant accept that people
are different than them not because the choose to be, but because they simpley are.

they dont believe that two consenting adults are capable of falling in love unless they approve it. they cant accept that maybe these people are not gay just to piss them off.

they not only want to ban gay marriage, but domestic partner benefits as well.
life insurance, health insurance, GONE. thats not protection of the 'sanctity of marriage' that is punishing people for being different.

shameful

Serious

i know, it wa just a comment sg, because i was wondering how stupid or closed-minded theyd have to be to do something like this.

free the gays,
come out of you little gay shell.

About as close-minded as any member of the KKK.

It is utter nonsense to make a concious effort to make a person live a lie.

so true

That's...really, really sad. People need to get their heads out of their asses and realize that we don't live in the Dark Ages anymore.

Apparantly there are more stupid people in this world then I thought.

stupid?

i can handle stupid people.

people that would push this shit are just evil.

And stupid.

I’d also like to see a link to support the “gay reformed” thing.

Well, if it’s true, I suppose if you get persecuted long enough, ANYONE will conform.
But however used the word “fascism” is unfortunately correct.
I cannot understand how a group of people, whose leader constantly talks about freedom and liberty and democracy, can support the exact opposite.

Yeah, I know – religious causes. But that can NOT and should NEVER be the basis of a modern state. Laws and justice should not be built on BELIEF. Because then there will be no argument.
“Why… ?”
“Because the Bible says so.”
End of discussion.

I myself am religious, but I agree that law shouldn't be based on metaphors and faith.

i dint know...when i think gaybashing i think fascism.
remember that the derogatory term 'f@ggot' originated
in nazi concentration camps. so i say fascist.

i really dislike it when people refer to republicans as homophobes like we all feel the same way about gays. I don't go around calling democrats tree hugging pussies everyday (well, i do, but only to piss off the idiot liberals in my grade ). It's really disrespectful.

well, it has got to b the stupidest thing!! if ppl wanna b gay let them b, ig ppl wanna b straight then let them b!! this ppl make it sound like a disease, i bet gay and lesbians, r really offended by that, is like saying, Black people should change their skin to white, just cuz we like it!! stupid faccists!!!

PS: am not a democrat...am not a republican...am an anti capitalism rock

Gay bashing is stupid. If someone's gay, they're gay, it's none of your business. If you don't like it, ignore it. Such a simple thing to do and yet so many people manage to stuff it up.

All these people need is alittle help and they could reform.Dr Lorie helped a gay man turn his life around and he is stright now.Unlike skin color you can change being gay.
JM

what????? are u serious???

OH

MY

****ING

GOD

I don't believe you! THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH GAY PEOPLE. That's right darling, gay people are gay not because they are sick, twisted people, but because they have a natural, otherwise harmless chemical imbalance in their brain that causes them to be attracted to members of the same sex. They don't need some dumb ***** on daytime television telling them how bad being gay is and how they should pretend to be something they're not. If they're really so stupid as to want to pretend to be straight, they will do it on their own. If you think you can "fix" a gay person, you are stupid. I have in fact known several gay men who were in the closet their whole lives, and actually married and had children before coming out. Even being in the company of a woman all day and raising children with her didn't change their sexual orientation. Which is proof--being gay is not a choice. I'll bet money that the show you watched was staged.

I don't think gays are evil or bad but they are not born gay and yes they can help it.Comparing them to the camps on which the jews died has nothering to do with it at all.
BTW my grandfather died in one of those camps.Yea it might be a chemical imbalence but that can be fixed with alittle thing called meds.People who are depress take meds for that.
The gay are the same.I have no idea how you guys can think it is normal.If any you been watching too much tv and been brainwash in accteping it.
iT IS not normal to be gay.But it can be fixed.JM

jackie, just give up, seriously, do you know any gay people?

You should know by now that I dont give up.Yes I do know some gay people.My counsin for startes and a friend of my boyfriends.I am fine with him I just don't care for his lifestyle and he knows it.
Time to check out that link!Do you know any gay people?JM

If gay people could be "fixed" with some kind of medication (which doesn't exist btw, I don't know where you got this wild idea that there is a "gay pill", there WOULD BE NO GAY PEOPLE! You think gay people LIKE being homosexual? In this society that berates them, infringes on their rights, and punishes them for being the only thing they know how to be, every single day?

Like I just was saying, there is no such thing as a "gay pill". Are you gay? I didn't think so. The reason many gay people have such a hard time coming out is that they can't help being gay, and don't want to accept that they are. You clearly don't know much about WWII, either. Gay people were also killed in Nazi concentration camps. That's where the derogatory term "****ot" comes from--a "****ot" in England is a cigarette, which looks kind of like the sticks which the Nazis burned homosexuals over.

I have an idea--as long as we're coming up with magical pills that will solve all of life's problems, why don't I send you a few "ignorance pills"? Depressed people (and apparently gay people) take pills to cure their conditions, why not ignorant people?

i do jackie, and while personally i dont share their preference, i understand that they are who they are and were born that way.

Yes they might have bad choices in lifestyle but they are not born that way.Which is why if they choose to they can get help.That is my point acouse!JM

*coughignorancecough*

one more time, GAY PEOPLE ARE BORN THAT WAY

most of them would change if they could (no disrespect intended), because gay people get so much shit from people who are too closed minded to understand.

coughjerkcough!JM (LOL)

You didn't read my post, did you? The one before "coughignorancecough"?

malfoy, seriously, just stop it, please, you'd be doing yourself a favour

how about homophobes and their likes reform...

You are the one that is closed minded.You have no proof that gay people are born that way.No proof and you call me closed minded.Look at yourself in the mirror.
Do you reallly belive these lies that gays are born the way they are?I mean that is sad if you do.It is not true.No I have no proof but unlike you I am not brainwashing in accepting gays.
I feel sorry for you man.JM

first of all, what proof do u have that they aren't born that way? what proof do u have you were born straight? calling them liars for being gay is incerdibly immature and yes, CLOSED-MINDED. nobody brainwashed me to believe anything. maybe you were brainwashed to believe it was wrong to be gay.

not accepting gay is both close minded and intolerant. One has to wake up and smell the reality, you dont choose to be gay you just happen to be it, and for those who cant understand that simple fact you aint nothing but a sorry bunch of bigoted morons

What proof? Hmm, how about this, I have actually TALKED to gay people about their sexuality? It's not a choice. You can choose whether or not to accept it, but NOBODY wakes up in the moring and says to themselves, "I think I'm going to be gay from now on!"

spoken like a sad, know-it-all, ignorant biggot.
you have NO knowledge on this topic and yet you preach
your endless brainfarts as fact. why dont you open your eyes
and your MIND and learn instead of being a jackass?

JM> ” Do you reallly belive these lies that gays are born the way they are.”

Why is that a lie? Prove it.
AH! Ahah! No, I don’t have to prove ANYTHING. YOU are the one making a positive assertion “It’s a lie that gays are born that way” hence de burden of proof rests on you…

Or do I have to whip out the flying reindeers – again?

The funniest thing I have ever read.

Hey homosexualitys a gentic condition so therefore It can and should be cured.

Well said, You are 100% correct. People that think other wise are brain washed by tree huggin fairies.

sad...very sad

ignorance becomes the both of you

I have a degree in Architecture so im not that ignorent

no, it means you are an ignorant bigot architect.

congratulations

I outta be offend but that funny

you can have all the degrees in the world and still be ignorant, which you are...

well, Im not building your house for ya

shock horror... oh well, i'll just get another one of the thousands of architects, maybe i'll get a gay one...

Maybe hell make you a pink house. With a rainbow across it.

while im listing to Papa Roach, Metallica while Im chick watchin

o...k... yes, because an architect who generalises is one i'd want.



yeah, you do that....

papa roach: gay

metallica: WICKED gay

maybe you are not so homophobic as you seem then?

your retarded arnt little boy? Metallica is actually conservitive the went to a friggin NRA rally to support them.

u can be in the NRA and still be gay...

and they are gay


and dont educate me on metallica.
ive seen them when they were playing REAL metal
before that enter sandman top 40 shit.

today they suck

today they are GAY!!!

but off topic huh?

Ive seen those guys in a concert and later one of them french kisses a girl that was obviously one of the many groupies. And if they are why did they seen the song "Enter sandman" He talking to is son for @$^& sake

LARS ULRICH: mmmmm i just love those big burley men with their big guns lets go show our support *snap*

yep your retarded

aaaaaaalrighty then...why dont you go pray to your mike savage shrine and lets keep it on topic.

let us brush away junk science preached be streotypical bigots
and can someone please post a link to this redneck advertising campaign.
i really must see this. i believe it...but i MUST see it.

Bullshit, simple bullshit. Why should it be cured? Because bigoted idiots don't aprove? Using that logic, their should have been a "cure" for being black, that's genetic, and was subjected to similar bigoted beliefs for a long time. Do you agree that blacks should have had to change their skin color to conform to prejudice ideals? If not, shut your mouth and quit being a hypocrite. If so, then congrats, you are indeed a bigot.



Well holy shit, I guess knowing how to draw some lines means you are autmoatically learned in every possible subject and thus can't be ignorant. No, it means you can do math and draw a house. You can still not know what you're talking about. Case in point - Now.



Papa Roach is one of the worst bands in existance, you go and have fun listening to some pussy whine about suicide being his "last resort" or about how his daddy left him in a "broken home".

Metalica blows now too, all they do is whine and complain about people downloading music for free, because obviously all they care about is money, which is a surefire sign of shitty musicians.



Well I guess only straight conservatives are members of the NRA, right? I guess homosexuals and liberals can't possibly be into guns. Please, the only prerequisit to joining the NRA is having a small dick, nothing more.



Wow, what a witty retort, I'm sure that insult cut him deep, I'm sure he's crying to all of his gay friends right now because of such a brilliant and insanely witty comeback that reminds me of being back in 1st grade.

backfire

booh wooh Backfire & and pr1983 cused at me even though Im old enouth to be there teenage father *cries*

dont be sad, be enlightened.

snakehead how old are you?

24

i'm 21, ud have to be one potent motherf*cker to be my dad

mama always said I was a bad boy

im 30, so you would have to be a time traveling potent motherf*cker to be my dad

hey dud that my job im a time traveling horny womanizer

For someone who claims to be an archetect and work with mathmatics with your job, you are pretty shitty at math.

I'm 21 years old, going on 22, you are 24 years old. Maybe you don't know this, but it's not possible to impregnate a woman when you're 2 years old, which is how old you'd have to be.

You may physically be older then me, but mentally you are not.

It is really hard to belive that you guys are older then me.Sometimes I wonder.I mean we are online you guys can lie about anything and not really know how old someone is.
For we know you can be the same age as me.Trying to act mature and smart but not quite geting there.You guys deserves a clap for your pitful posts!
Ok so it came down to his I have no proof and nether does you.So who is right and who is wrong?Sure talk to the gays they will tell you that they were born like that.
Are they telling the truth?How do you know you guys are so brainwash I don't think half the time you know what you are talking about.The only one who is actly with me is Snake.
Make belive time is over guys!JM Start growing up!

so who brainwashed me?



u should take your own advice.

by the number of useless threads started by you with little or no information,direction, or point you shouldnt be talking.

Not only is it pointless and going nowhere its also wrong!

I have all the proof you need. YOU have all the proof you need. All you have to be is completly honest with yourself.
Did you at any point in your life choose to be straight? Did you?

By your views and opinions and crap, your a Christian right?
If so, then YOU are the one being brainwashed! Your the one who goes to church every sunday and absorbs aaallllll the crap they teach like a littel yellow sponge!

JM, I'm 13. You don't see people more than twice my age yelling at me to grow up. Why? Because I know when to shut up.

Good impersonation of yourself there JM
better to know it half the time than never

good going Jackie, you actually told yourself to grow up, brilliant

wow...i read the first and last page, and i did not see one republican/conservative idea on here...

Why am i against Homosexuality? because the Bible says it is a sin. not because my pastor told me to think that way, not because some old guy on tv told me to think that way, because of my faith. I believe it to be a perversion of nature. And while i am against Homosexuality, i am not and will not EVER personally attack someone because of it. I am against Marriage because i believe it to be a sacred event between a man and a woman, in that we are like Christ and the Church. This is why i am against Homosexual "Marriage". Civil union, fine, benefits, whatever, but do not try to pervert the sacred union that is Marriage. (BTW, before you call me a hypocrite, i don't believe in divorce either, except when the person doing the divorcing was cheated on.)

As for calling Republicans "hypocrites" because we are always bitching about the government being too big, then wanting the government to impose things such as ban on gay marriage and the like, there is a problem with your theory. See, people that are against big government altogether are called Libertarians. and those that don't want any government are Anarchists. Republicans want big government in the way of Order vs. Freedom, in that they are willing to give up personal freedoms to achieve security and order (which is where the Patriot Act came from). Republicans also want small government in the way of Freedom vs. Equality, in that we would rather have the government allow us to live our lives than to ensure that everyone is "equal". Democrats are the opposite of this.

that was a really long post but i think i got my point across, and if i didn't, then i will get flamed, so whatever.

wrong

the most basic republican ideal is

"dont tell me how to live, uncle sam"

its not for NO government, its for LESS government, LESS taxes, LESS federal laws...less of everything "big brother" like. it has become a contradiction of it's own basic ideal.

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QUOTE: "Republicans want big government in the way of Order vs. Freedom, in that they are willing to give up personal freedoms to achieve security and order (which is where the Patriot Act came from)"

pretty close to the truth unfortunately, but this has NOTHING to do with the republican ideal, this has to do with a scared pussy mentallity.
"PLEASE take away my liberty so i can feel safe!!"
i hope you are just stating your idea of what makes a certain group
of f'n idiot sheep dicide to give up what our forfathers fought and died for, instead of stating your own ideals.


----"Those who sacrifice essential liberty for temporary safety are not
deserving of either liberty or safety." Benjamin Franklin

oops double post

see jackie, if u want to put together a decent argument do it like jedihdm. even though i dont agree with his idea i can understand why he thinks that way, and i respect him for at least trying to back up his view with a half decent argument.

that said, i do believe he is wrong.

Yeah, heterosexuals have done such a good job keeping marriage sacred... look at "Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire" you tard.

"The Sacred Union that is Marriage" is a joke.




You don't sound like a Republican. Republicans do favor smaller government. In recent years though, the Republican party has been taken over by the Neo-Conservatives. That is what you sound more like.

Republicans, Democrats, Greens,... we all want safety and security, its just the Neo-Cons are the only ones prepared to sell their souls for it.

No guess again!I am jewish but I am not prating there fore I don't really belive in relion.So once again you are wrong!This makes lets see(counts times on fingers)ten times now?Wow!Maybe you guys should take your own advice and stop while you are ahead.
Off topic I am not grounded anymore!YEA!JM

im sorry, all i could make out was "blah blah blah count fingers not grounded i'm a moron"

oops...double post

i love how kids who are young enough to be grounded believe they know better than anyone what theyre talking about.

And I adore when kids who think they are better then everyone else trys to make the other person feel stupid.Good luck with that!Talking to you makes me feel smarter!JM

almost witty...almost...but not quite

(Turns down GC music)I am sorry PVS what are you saying?JM

funny you callin me a kid jackie, really, it is, maybe you should just go away and listen to whatever music u like, and leave the rest of us alone.

are you listening to barnie?

elmo's world?

no, sesame street...

NO Sesame street!Oh no you are going to miss your favorite show!You better ran to the tv quick!lol!JM

And maybe you should do the same!Do us a favor and leave!Wow!Great idea!JM

that is the lamest comeback ever...

And you don't give out lame comeback?Yea right in your dreams.Hey you are missing your show.Hurry and you may just miss the main song!Love yea!JM

wow, you are funny, not considering the fact im a good bit older than you, my comebacks will never be as lame as yours. your on the same level as... oh, no, wait, your a law unto yourself when it comes to lame comebacks. but hey, its not my fault you cant put together a decent argument like the rest of us...

Thank you!!!!
Thank you for showing me that there are people out there with brains! Most people opposing me and some others are like JM.....
Maybe now we can have a sensible debate.

No you arn't a hypocrite, your views are straight forward. But you say that you are against gay marriage but for benifits and such. I must as a question. When you say marriage do you mean Christian marriage or legal marriage? Would you be opposed to a gay couple getting married in a city hall instead of a church. With a government official instead of a pastor (Or priest or whatever).
If so, Would I be correct in saying that you don't want gays in your religion? But having them getting legal marriage is ok just as long as it is completly seperate from the church?

Hey all the stuff you said does not remain me of a older kid it remains me of a younger kid.As far I know yuo could be lieing about your real age.
What prove do you have that you are older?Think of something for that while I go on topic again!If Dr Laura can help one gay person she can help alot more.
Acouse this is up to the person.But it is better to get help now before it is too late.JM

"HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN?"

True. Well, at least according to certain verses in the Bible. Three passages to be exact. However, this does not let the Fundamentalist off the hook. In each occasion where we read of God's displeasure with homosexual behavior, we also read of other displeasing behaviors that either God says he doesn't like but Fundamentalists ignore, or that Fundamentalists dislike and yet God seems to think is okay. Confused? You should be.

The most common reference against homosexuality comes from a story in Genesis. In Chapter 18 of the book, we see God about to destroy the evil twin cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. God sends two angels to warn the one godly family of the imminent demise of these cities, only to have the locals demand that these two angels, who appeared like men, come out so they could have sex with them. Of course this didn't please God very much. However, Lot, the father of this one so-called godly family, does an interesting thing. In chapter 19, verse 8, the Bible tells how Lot offered to give his virgin daughters to these men so that they might rape them instead. Is this how God wants us to protect ourselves from the "homosexual agenda," by offering to let them rape our virgin daughters? Ask that to the Fundamentalist and see how much they squirm.

Likewise, in the Old Testament Book of Leviticus, we're told it is wrong for a man to be with another man. However, within the same book we are also told that it is wrong to eat pork. If Fundamentalists use the Leviticus verses, simply ask them when was the last time they had bacon. According to the same Old Testament book that condemns the practice of homosexuality, they would also be condemned to hell for eating a BLT sandwich. However, they would not be committing sin if they still owned slaves, since Leviticus tells us such activity is okay. Think the Fundamentalists will agree with that?

Forced out of the Old Testament in their crusade against homosexuality, the Fundamentalist will quote from Romans, or more specifically from 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, both written by the Apostle Paul. He offers a list of sins that will keep a person out of Heaven. Among them is homosexual behavior. However, also listed among these is adultery. Such a revelation won't phase the Fundamentalists until you remind them that in Luke 16:18 Christ defined a man or woman who has divorced and remarried as also being an adulterer. Ask these Fundamentalists how many of their church's members have been divorced and remarried. Then ask them if their church performs the weddings for these adulterous members. If homosexuality is to be condemned, should not these fellow church goers also be condemned? Challenge these Fundamentalists to go back to their churches and apply the same rules to their adulterous remarried members as they apply to homosexuals. What? They won't do it? Why on earth, then, are they picking on homosexuals? Are they selecting one sin as being worse than another? Of course they are - and you've just called them to the carpet for it. Why are they allowed to commit some sins yet feel free to condemn someone else's?

http://elroy.net/ehr/gay.html

younger kid? really, since i'm not a kid at all your point is ireelevant. because you could be a 12 year old. which from your posts is a definate possiblility.

as for dr. laura, the mere suggestion that she can turn gay people straight is an insult to every gay person who has been oppressed because their sexuality, you really need to grow up and see how the world works, you really do.

and what do you mean before its too late? before they end up bigotted and ignorant like you?

For you to be with gay people be a member on this site is more of a insult then ever.No so they can be stright.It does not take brains to figure that out.But then again you don't 'have any!
Name calling is also childness.As a kid no one seen to had taught you that.JM

yeah because name calling is so horrible.

an insult to who?

i seem to have more brains than you do.

Coming from a personal perspective i see nothing wrong with gay people, they are no different from you or i (with the obvious sexuality aside) and it must take 'guts' for them to admit their sexuality particularly in todays society, leave 'em be is what i say.

amen

You acouse!All you are doing is insulting yourself.Also you don't seen to have much of a life since you keep going on.That I feel sorry for you.Anyway the title of this thread is Apparently Gays can reform.And it is also a thought on both sides.
So my answear is yes they can reform.All you have to say is no!Two words that is all!I hope someone as old as you can say no and stop offending them in your pitful way.
JM So far you are showing me the older someone gets the less smarter they become!

The question we have been designated reads :

"Gays can reform"

The answer is "Do they want to" ?

Because lets face it, they are the only ones who can truly answer that question.

God damn it... everytime I read one of her post I swear I get dumber because of it.

Cut it out.

jackie

'no' is one word

and no they cannot reform, just like a straight person cannot wake up one morning and decide to be gay.

offending who? you?

pitiful? don't you think insulting gay people by claiming they can be cured is pitiful? like homosexuality is some sort of disease?

all ive shown you is that you know very little about the real world.

jm you are just making this topic go to hell. you are being very immature and every post you make is off topic to this thread. just face it hun, youve been owned. the more you fight the more your gonna look like an idiot so just give up already and swallow your pride.

Now that was funny.

Tranceduo that pic you enclosed is quite hilarious i've gotta add it to my collection of humours pics that seems to be growing more and more.

brilliant trance, just brilliant

why thank you! ill add more to a thread in otf!

I'd do the same but some of 'em are of poor taste (hehe) but i'll add some of my more 'family friendly' ones on though.

Ok guys what ever you say.I am going to be the mature one and stop this.Anyway I argee with Wicker when he or she says that if gays want to be cure now that there is a way to help them.
Hopfully for some or maybe all the answear is yes.The smartest thing I heard yet.You deserve a pat on the back!JM You guys can learn from this guy!JM

*buries head in hands*

jackie, theres nothing wrong with the other guys, do you know why? because they at least tried to back up there arguments and have an intelligent debate, you didn't.

as for finishing, yes you should, seeing as you started it.

Whatever!See you around!JM

your leaving? about f*king time, no us grown ups can talk.

PWNED!!!

err no PVS i think you mean...

Ahhh nothing say "Love" like spreading a disease around the world, and calling it a vaccine. &gt

look everyone its JM!

http://www.woodturnedcreations.com/Dud3!/pix/misc/owned-wall%20tape.jpg
Lets all point and laugh.

sorry jm, but that is some funny shit.

Damn that is funny.

*** Points and laughs! ***

So you guys are calling me imature?Look again guys!See yu around.JM
Anyone who could waste there time to look up something just to make fun of someone else has no life.
Just leting you guys know.Also I don't care.Laugh all you want.Only know that you are only laughing at yourself!JM

No, we are not laughing at ourselves.


At least I'm pretty sure that I'm only laughing at you.... maybe that fat kid getting a vaccine too, but mostly you.

JM I'm not laughing at you, it's really directed to the pic of the chic stuck to the wall.

Don’t let your insecurities get the best of you.

Yeah, I was taught not to laugh at the mentally handicapped.

They prefer the term retarded, Backfire... please, get it right.

And you don't think that laughing at someone is acting imature?You guys are not acting mature by this.No I am not retared but as for the rest of you I am not sure of.
BF shame on you.As a mod you should know better.JM

See, I knew retarded wasn't the best way to go, hence the term "mentally handicapped".

Your right Jackie, Backfire should know better.


You consider reporting him again.

NO but I have a better idea on how to get this thread locked.Since no one is talkiing about the subject.To advoid this maybe we should get back to the subject!
Inleast acouse you guys do want this lock?It is up to you.As for me I really don't care.Too bad someone started a great thread like this one and you all are spaming on it.
But I guess you guys are only thinking of yourself.As for me say goodbye to this thread.JM