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I think Thing takes him down.

yea ima go with the thing. wolvberines a better fighter, but i dont see how he can take down the thing

Hm, it would be a boring fight : whoever punches (stabs) the other first, wins. No doubt about it (euhrm, I think).

Could Thing survive the same punishment that Wolverine inflicted on Hulk?

Thing has a very good chance of beating Wolverine. But Wolverine also has what it takes to beat Thing. He once cut Things' face open with his claws (in an FF comic), so Thing's skin will not be a major problem for Wolverine.

So whoever strikes first, wins, I think.

in that case, i agree with you. but wolverine has better reflexes so.....who knows.

Thing *****-slaps Wolvie through a wall in the mansion when he pops his claws at him. Wolverine can be subdued if you can manage to avoid the claws. Once Thing got on top of him, he could pound him till he drops.

I think it was FF#400 where the comprising Defenders (Ghost Rider, Hulk, Spiderman, and Wolverine) were suppose to capture Human Torch and it depicted Thing suffering from a terrible slash wound from Wolverine that he eventually had to wear a mask from.

As Thing has been depicted to be vulnerable to Wolverine's claws unlike some other heavy-weights, I'd give Wolverine the win, especially with the amount of pain Thing was suffering after that encounter when they were facing a cosmic powered Doom.

wolvie has adamantium bones. So does he have an adamntium bonner? That's gotta feel good to get one of those. He's got viagra beat anyhow.

His bones are laced with adamantium. Any noticeable difference other than enhanced durability would revolve around his weight, as any extra layering because of the adamantium would be near neglible.

As his healing factor suppresses his aging factor, he probably has not hit a point to even require "viagara."

O_o.........

imo thing would take this one, simply because his super-strength would stop wolvie in his tracks, although i dont know what a stab would do to ben, i guess we'll find out in wolverine #22...at least from mark millars point of view, which is a good one imo, there's a high possibility that wolverine wont be directly attacking FF though

super strength doesnt exactly work too well on wolvie. we saw this with hulk, and thing isnt close to how strong hulk is.

with adamantium (assuming it can cut through thing), id say wolvie, with bone claws i think thing'd take it, and not with much difficulty.

In that FF comic, Thing slams Wolverine to the ground. Wolverine got a mad on and slashed Ben's face and some kind of orange stuff came out. As he came back to his senses, Wolvie felt a bit sorry for the Thing but the Thing grabbed him and sent him through a wall right into another building.

thing knocked wolverine with one punch in a ff and x-men comic

Thing. Wolverine would get brain damage after Thing gets one shot at Logan. Furthermore, does Logan have enough strength to slash through things hide? Having adamantium claws doesn't neccessarily mean you can cut through anything if you lack to sufficient force to back it up. Thing is class 85 and above. Wolverine ain't get up if Thing lands a shot to the face. Logan's organs are going to be battered against his indestruble skeleton. And Thing is an excellent fighter himself. Wolverine is good but fighters with lesser skills have tagged and kicked him around.

Its about time somebody realized that. But dont worry the Hulk fight is gonna come up now. I know he dont have enough power to cut Colossus so I dont know if he can cut Thing.

i think your right.

Read x-men annual #6. He tries but the result is just a bunch of sparks flying. I know Colossus is more durable than Thing. As far as Wolverine cutting Thing I dont know. He did do it one time as mentioned before.

yeah, sorry, dont know what i was thinkin.

thing though seems to have the upper hand in almost every department. any cut by wolverine is gonna be returned ten fold unless its a really deep cut

is colossus made of organic steel or some other type of metal?

the sharpness of his claws would matter alot even without much force applied, i've cut through a knife with a 420 steel dagger of mines by just applying small amounts of pressure, with wolvie's enhanced strength i think he could run thing through, i just dont know what would happen, so this battle would end up with wolverine being thrown far far away or thing entangling him with a steel post or something, but thats from my point of view

Colossus is made up of organic steel as Marvel calls it. And its way harder than any form of steel on earth excluding the adamantium crap in the Marvel Universe.

I think Thing's is alot more durable. He's taken hits from Hulk, Gladiator, Thor, etc. without having his skin peeled off. It's going to take alot more force behind those claws to pierce Thing's skin.

hulk, gladiator, and thor dont use piercing weapons, so i dont know how they'd puncture him

if colossus' organic steel is weaker than adamantium then i dont see why he wouldnt be able to pierce colossus

well actually it was never stated that adamantium is harder than colossus' organic steel. As I posted earlier read x-men annual #6. In that story Wolverine tries to slash at Colossus and it basically had no affect on on him except for some sparks. No real damage. Believe it or not but I dont think Wolverine could take Colossus either.

One hit from The Wrecker's crowbar turned Colossus into a virtual spectator for all of Secret Wars 1. I think Wolvie's claws are sharper than that crowbar.

That was not no normal crowbar either. It is enchanted like Thors hammer. He can aborb powers or something with it if he hits you.

Oh okay.
I thought it was just really tough like that wrecking ball used by one of the Wrecker's crew.

ayyt ayyt...is the thing's skin like actual skin or is it like rock? cos i dunno...i keep seeing pictures....and it some it looks like its rock....does this mean he can regenerate as well???

things body is a mystery, i dont know if he has normal organs or "rock" organs, or simply no organs at all, i havent read much about the character either


yeah, i read that one a while back, i think wolvie could take on colossus in a good fight, but colossus would end up winning, because these two characters superstrength would eventually be dealt by grappling wolverine into submission or some other way of the like

I think there's some misunderstanding : Wolverine has little problem piercing Thing's skin. Rock or no rock. He has done it before, and can do it again. That's why Thing has to keep distance if he wants to walk away unharmed.

But when Wolverine tries to stab Thing, he better go for the heart or the brains. Because Thing will be furious, and Wolverine stands virtually no chance against an enraged Thing.

so if thing were stabbed in the heart or brain he would go down? i dont know much about thing or how his body would work when being stabbed

I don't know much about Thing's anatomy either but a quick stab to the heart and/or brain like who?-kid said would seem like Wolverine's best chance for victory.

so it depends on his accuracy while fighting thing......meh, too much concept, cant really give an outcome

Yeah, one well placed attack from either of them would make the other go down. So with wolverine's okay maneuverability, I think he could land that vital stab first.

who's the character on your avatar? i know this is wayy off-topic

no one really knows much about Thing's body, not even Reed, this was revealed when his skin started to make evil clones of itself that would have killed all the heroes in New York in just a few hours...but long story...The writers have been inconsistent about the Thing vs Wolverine's claws thing...back in the day wolverine couldnt cut Thing or even Hulk's skin....now the writers have Hulk getting cut to bits....and wolvie slashing through Ben's face with possibly his most ferocious blow he can muster. Regardless, I still think it looked like Thing didnt think his old friend wolverine would actually slice his face...obviously if an enraged THing cuts loose on wolverine, wolverine wont stand a chance. Thing has knocked wolverine out with one casual blow to his head...advantage: Thing

About colossus, his skin is not only weaker than adamantium, it is vastly weaker...adamantium can withsatnd the heat of a nuclear bomb...Colossus has been seriously injured by the mediocre flames of pyro.

Thing is not the Hulk, Thing has excellent hant to hand fighting skills...he also doesnt have the Hulk's healing ability, although it seems he has his own funny way of healing...regardless, Wolevie isnt going to just be ripping him apart...from their last fight it is apparent that Thing has the necessary skills to get his hands on him. I look forward to the new FF X-men book...is there an actual fight between the two?

I'm unsure how durable Colossus' exterior shell is, but he has decent resistence to heat. Pyro's flame monster once grappled Colossus (without causing him injury) during the "Days Future Past" series.



Thing has been a decent contender for Hulk merely for his determination, despite being terribly outmatch in strength.

Wolverine in many encounters doesn't seem to consider stealth/evasion too often in his fighting tactics, but instead favoring head on bouts. Unfortunately if taking this approach, Thing could do substantial damage . However, the effectiveness of Wolverine's claws from the previous encounter could also affect Thing to the point of being hesitant or even afraid of him. Regardless, in a no holds fight, I'm sure the consequences would lead to either death or permanent injury for both parties.

The thing about Colossus' body is that it is just more than his skin that is steel. His whole body including his bones,lungs,eyes, etc. He is more durable than Thing. But as far as the fight goes with Thing Wolverine dont have much of a chance if he just tries to slug it out with him. He will get knocked the %uc* out.

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He could stab him in the eye. Maybe both at the same time like a good episode of the Stooges. Straight to his brain.

Wolverine has bested some of the best out there. He went toe to toe with the Hulk, He has gotten Magneto's number a time or two, he has troused wendigo, and gave juggernaut a run for his money. Similar examples can be said for the thing i know, but not to the same magnitude. This is defaintly a fight for the ages, not quite a Hulk vs juggernaut debate, but one that many comic fans have conversed about. In the end like many vs topics, it comes down to who you like more.

Both have equal oppertunity of winning, but i think Wolverines agility crowns him the victor. There is no doubt that Wolvy can take the things fist and still get up. As long as Wolverine keeps the thing at bay or dodges those mighty clobberin fists he wins. His claws would defiantly be able to wear the things rock body down after a consistant barrage of attack. Infact, i would be willing to say that a beserker barrage would be enough to best the thing. Wolvy is to agile for the thing to keep pace, but if wolverine gets caught with a couple good ones, he's goin down.

Or.

He could stab him in the eyes.

yeah, i got the PM



which is the first thing he goes for when he sees an impenetrable enemy

Oh ok wasn't sure if you got it or not

Or Thing could grab Wolverine's wrists and make him stab his own eyes.

lol, that would be great

that might actually happen seeing as how writers have been making wolverine as some clumsy person in alot of different comics, which doesnt give justice to his past battles (in the xmen)

If were talking about Wolverine with his adamantium claws, Thing is goin down and goin down hard, but if it's bone claws, wolverine wouldnt be able to do to much.

he could still give the eyes a good poking, heheh

man seriously, i cant believe you people, wolverine is good, very good, sees almost too good, but this just really isnt a fight, thing is way too damn strong man, and although comic book writers can do wonders to even the weakest characters, the fact still remains that even if wolverine does have an adamantiuma skeleton, hed still be knocked out for a long long time if the thing managed to even give him a slight blow, remember that the thing has gone up against an infuriated hulk too. and for all we know, wolvie is not superhuman, other than his senses.

why cant you believe us.......i mean wolverines first appearance was him fighting the hulk which is superior to thing

yea but seriously dude, his power level dont rival that of thing,

his power level doesnt rival hulk either, power level isnt the only thing to consider seeing as wolvie has a long history of fighting people far more powerful than him, hence the name wolverine

yea but the thing isnt just gonna stand around for wolvie to just stab him with his claws either

but i admit that wovie does have a chance in this fight with his adamantium, but hes more likely to lose

I think you're referring to the X-Men vs FF comic. If that's the case, I have to point out that Thing was lucky that Wolverine's reflexes weren't in optima forma, because Wolverine was slower than usual. Reed himself said it.

Yes he has, but Wolverine is a better fighter.

True.

an enraged hulk has attacked wolvie and he got out of that okay, an enraged thing would be something hard to go up against for wolvie but he's got good agility and isnt going to stand around while thing is coming at him

as far as i know this is an adamantium laced wolvie, if it was bone claw it would be stated on the topic

does thing have enhanced healing when he gets slashed?

If Thing does, it is not noticeably fast.

Within the bounds of what comic writers permit, the fight could go either way. However, whenever I think of heavy-weights against normal to superhuman characters, I always reflect the scene in Infinity Gauntlet where Terraxia pinned Spiderman down and bashed him to death.

Thing could have a chance of knocking out Wolverine, but Wolverine could damage Thing just as easily; a slash at the face once more, especially at the eye recepticles could be a huge a deciding factor. Of course, I think most heavy-weight would suffer from an attack at the eyes (i.e. Shatterstar vs. Juggernaut).

if thing doesnt have a healing factor then i dont think he'd win this one, i mean in the process of the fight theres no doubt wolvie is gonna get a few slashes in either at his body or head, and wolverine is always one to go for the head when it comes to characters who seem inpenetrable, if thing cant heal from wolvies attacks then i see him eventually being slowed down by so many cuts

now if thing does have a healing factor then i think he'd win, as he'd be able to survive most of wolvies attacks which hulk has done with his healing factor

Right in the eyes.

yeah wolverine's gonna dice the thing too. I don't understand why people think that wolvie can get taken out by mere super strength so easily, Like Havoc470 said, his first appearance had him fighting the hulk and we all know how strong he is. Hell, wolverine's even bested the hulk on a couple of occasions. beyond that, in the wolverine comics he went fisticuffs (sp?) with a guy who could punch a car into obliteration (roughouse) and won without even poopin his claws. Could thing beat wolvie? abso-freakin-lutly but I just don't see him winning this one.
oh by the way an enraged thing maybe bad, but an enraged wolverine is the personification of death itself (not something to be taken lightly).

Dude, wolverine has fought against deadlier and far more threatning foes than the thing. Wolverine has taken on Juggernaut many times. Yeah you might say, well him and the x-men. In the woverine comics, Wolverine has dueled against Juggernaut alone, and was enough to make Juggernaut just give up from annoyance. wolverine put the wendigo into submission. If brute strength was enough to take Wolverine down, then Wolverine would die in almost everyone of his appearances in comic books. I mean if you think Thing is more deadly foe than Omega red, WEndigo, Silver samuri, Juggernaut,Cyber, and lady deathstrike, then you should read some more comics. The thing is nothing more than brute strength.and like jin said, an enraged Wolverine is nearly unstoppable. Nothign can and has ever withstood a beserker barrage, aside from apocalypse, but he is a turd from the gods. The beserker barrage has taken Juggernauts helmet off. That is how powerfull, wolverine can be.

AS I WAS SAYING, the comic book writers can do the most ridiculous things, dude do u really think wolverine would stand a chane against juggernaut and hulk, HULK! for heavens sake, man i know that its happenes in the comics but there is no real way that wolvie could have beaten hulk or juggernaut, in reality. wel the others like cyber, deathstrike and omega read werent ridiculously powerful, they were super human, but wolvie both outwitted, and outsmarted them, also his superior martial arts skill were also the reason.
another thing you should know is that wolverine is a hero, a good guy, and thats why he HAS ro win in comics aginst much powerfull foes and thats why he does win, otherwise no one would read comics if the good guy loses.

hey i forgot to mention magneto, who he has beaten a few times, do you really think that wolverine CAN beat the master of magnetism.

he killed magneto in men #150.......but wierd enough the magneto in that issue was an imposter although he still had magnetic powers and killed jean grey (again)

Unless there were multiple instances of this case, Wolverine only threatened Juggernaut for he was trying to protect a drunk and subdued Cannonball. Juggernaut backed out because his mind was not on fighting but on the subject of Onslaught that took him down earlier.



Wolverine took down Wendigo by himself only temporary once to my knowledge. He let his guard down when escorting a civilian and Wendigo attacked again. It was Snowbird that defeated Wendigo in the finale.

I can see either combatant taking this fight with the right circumstances.

well i lean more towards wolverine, not because he's one of my favorite characters but because he's bound to slash thing a few times, and thing has nothing to defend against that, but im not saying its impossible for thing to win as he is powerful and wolverine would have to watch out, but wolverines history has shown that he's fought enemies like the thing (maybe even stronger) and held his own against them which could be said about thing also, but wolverine isnt a super-strength type of character

When it comes to cross over comics, i dont think they hold much validity on the characters abilities being properly balanced. However, when a hypothetical question is being raised, like can Wolverine beat the thing The only thing any one has to go on is writers material. Asuperhero or villian is only as remarkable as the writers make them out to be.

Some of Wolverines most believable bouts came against Magneto. Wolverine never really beat the shit out of Magnus, save one instance. He has taken the advantage over magneto a few times, which created an interest for magneto over wolverine. The only time that Wolverine beat the hell out of magneto to near death, Magneto ripped Wolvy's adamantium from his body.

Spiderman's beaten Firelord, Juggernaut, others like Hulk. Seriously, do you think Spidey can beat these guys? The reason behind this is 'cause Spiderman's one of Marvel's most popular guys. Wolverine is just the same. He's popular. His popularity is why Marvel writes him off as being able to fight guys like Wendigo, Juggernaut, Hulk, or Thing.

You really think Wolverine could survive a punch from a class 85 or 100? Thing ain't slow, nor is Wolverine that fast. Hulk's punches (CLASS 100) never cracked Thing's body, and you think Wolverine (below CLASS 1) is going to deliver enough force to piece Thing's hide - PLEASE! Thing would knock him out cold like any other Class 85 - 100 levelers.

ummmmmmmm oh boy, again "the only reason why this guy can beat that guy is cause of his popularity" excuse,,,,,,,,man, if spiderman wasn't a popular character he'd have bitten the dust awhile ago too. It doesn't change the fact that he still HAS beaten the ever lovin crap out of just about every person he comes across, don't bring up that excuse like it means anything cause the fact is that wolverine HAS diced the thing too, like it or not, it's what happened and it could happen again so just accept it. oh and obviously in reality Wolverine couldn't take a punch from thing or hulk, but that's why it's a comic book, in reality banner would have melted in radiation, and ben would have probably died in space, in the comic books though wolverine takes those punches and then some,,,and still gets up. nuff said. oh and wolverine is THAT fast, he's nearly on par with spiderman in speed, and in his first appearance he was bounding circles around hulk so that argument really doesn't have any validity. sorry I don't mean to sound like a jerk but you should really take the history of these characters into account before you start making accusations like that.

once again, he's been HIT (like physical contact from hulks fist to wolvies body) by the hulk, hulks punches arent an unbreakable metal with a deadly sharp edge, youre comparing a FIST to wolvie's CLAWS, thing has been slashed by wolvie before so imo i think wolvie has the better chance of winning

Wolverine DID pierce Thing, that's not even open for discussion. As for who would win the fight, it could go either way. Both could walk away with a victory, but I want to see some pics of 'Wolverine besting Hulk' because even in the beginning Wolverine could cut Hulk's skin but all it did was cause him pain. He smashed Wolvie's skull and nearly killed him. Wolverine in no way is Hulk level. Yeah he can cut him like he can cut Thing, but Hulk has an even faster healing factor than Wolverine.

wolvie has never bested hulk, thats my point, he's slashed hulk but hulks healing factor just causes him to become even more furious, but thing has no healing factor (at least no one told me that he actually does, and i have asked) and getting a few slashes from wolverine would eventually slow thing down, and theres no doubt that wolvie is gonna at least get a few slashes in

of course im not trying to say thing is a weak character, this could really go either way.....its a concept battle to me

Ok...this is a good thread...first off, I would jus like to say a lot of people have said some really good points...as most everyone who is familiar with me knows, Thing is my fav character...wolverine is about #4 these days. But now, Im going to make my argument for Thing.

-someone said Wolverine has fought more powerful characters...then went on to mention Juggernaut.
-Thing is a member of the Fantastic Four...to um...go to the more powerful opponent argument one has to be on crack...
-with the FF Thing has fought Terminus, Galactus, Celestials, Abraxis, The Beyonder, and countless others...the only notable power the X-men have faced is Dark Phoenix...
On his own, Wolvie has fought Hulk...Wendigo..hmm not many other real powerful types, and no cosmic types.
without the FF, Thing has fought: Hulk, Jugs, Thing(from other times/dimensions/clones), Champion of the Universe(one of the Elders of the universe), Sasquatch, Terrax, Occulus(Surpasses the Silver Surfer in power), The Beyonder(yes they have fought one on one), Doctor Doom, The Destroyer, Namor, Thanos, Thor, Blastaar, Wrecker, Rhino, Ronin ther Accusor, Klaw, Wonder Man, The Obliterator, Black Bolt, and well you get the point...he lost some of those fights, but considering all those guys are more powerful than him in every way, it shows Thing will take on anyone. Thing afraid of Wolverine? Wolverine is afraid of Thing, they had an encounter after wolvie scarred him remember?

from looking at their previous encounters, Wolvie's superior fighting abilities are not a deciding factor, Thing has always been able to connect with relative ease...when wolverine attacked invisible woman, Thing grabbed his little ass and slammed him into the floor...not many guys can do this with Wolvie IMO...Then after getting slashed, Thing knocked Wolvie through a building...In FF vs X-men, Thing knocked Logan out with one casual blow, showing he would be very vulnerable to a full blown punch by Thing....Wolverine may get some slashes in but they wont go right through his skin like the Hulk's...only Wolverine's most ferocious attack is gonna cut Thing...but then he's gonna get KO'd real fast.

Concerning Thing's healing, his anatomy and healing is not like a normal human's...when Wolverine slashed him he said "I can feel myself oozing out beneath this helmet...meaning he does bleed but his blood isnt like a humans...although it hurt him, he didnt let it stop him for the fight with a Watcher powered Doctor Doom...He also bled in his fight against the Champion of the universe...I have also seen a mind controlled Invisible Woman shove invisible daggers into Things body...although he went down for a moment, he got back to hius feet and used a thunderclap to knock sense back into IW and extinguish the Human Torch's flame.

Or, Wolverine could stab Thing, threw the eyes.

You are bitching about using previous VS matches in weighing this argument, but you will use class levels, which are created by people who dont even take hand in the story board writing of the comics? Those damn encylopedia stats are bullshit, how can the potential of a character be captured by a number? %90 of all superhero's are always greatly overwhelmed by their enemies, but always manage to come out on top. Comics have shown us that skill and ability is nothing if not used right. You seriously dont beleive that a consistant thrashing of Wolverines adamantium claws couldnt peirce The Things body? On EArth, their is only one thing that Wolverines Adamanitum claws cannot peirce, and that is Adamantium. If you are talking about bone claw Wolverine, then of course Wolvy will get rocked, but then again where is the fun in that.

I am sure that after a few blows from the thing, Wolverine would fall, but yeah, Wolverine could take a fist full of Thing. Wolverine isnt that fast, but he is agile, Thing isnt to slow, but has NO agility. The Thing's fist's are like a gun, They have to cock before they fire, and they have to reload after firing. Wolverine is like an Automatic gun that is weaker, but faster. I truly believe that Wolverine could dodge Thing's attacks with no problem. Dodging long enough would result in a victory, but getting cought just a few time, results in a loss.

ok wolverine gunna win there no dought thing give him a fight but wolverine has never done a killing attack vs thing and the one time he slipped up and fell to far in to a rage he almost cut things face in haft. If they fight to the death wolverine wins. if there just fighting just to fight thing has a better chance but wolverine still wins every fight those to have ever had ened up wolverine winning or soem one broke it up

also wolverien has taken full blown punches from hulk with out his metal in him and got back up the thing who is deffently weaker then the hulk can't nock wolverien out with one blow. also wolverine is in no way afriad of thing he felt bad after almost killing the thing and wanted to say sorry. I own the comic and in no way does wolverine fear for him self actauly quite the opposite and wolverien fear to do even mroe damage to the ting

Wow, and how about Magneto ? Or Apocalypse ? Or Mr. Sinister ? Or Juggernaut ? Or Proteus ? Or Onslaught (yes I know FF had their butts also kicked by him, but I consider him an X-Men enemy).

And Wolverine returned the favor and gave him some nice scars on his face. Not many people can do that to Thing IMO .

Only because Wolverine wasn't fighting back then, he was, in his own way, apologizing. And it's true Thing knocked him through the building, but it certainly didn't took him long to come back for more.

I explained this already, Wolverine was rather slow and a bit confused because he was still a bit in pain after having knocked Thing down. Ben was lucky, and Reed Richards admitted it.

also wolverine beat the whole ff bye him self befor

i dont remember that, when was it?

it was in wolverine vs the fantastic four he went straight for mr fantestic because wolverien he got kity killed and the other ff tried to stop him and each one go there asses kicked. actauly there two comic of it one tryign to fix what happen so that fight doesent happen and telling waht happen if they did'nt stop kitty from dieing

Are you seriously comparing guys like Mr. Sinister to Abraxis?...do u know who Abraxis is, he killed a thousand Galactuses across the multiverse...and you're comparing him to a guy who cant keep up with cyclops? Onslaught is very powerful, but in terms of sheer power and intellect he is nothing compared to a Celestial.

...Wolverine never soloed the 4 that I know of. In the issues that wolverine8888 is talking about, Wolverine dropped Torch with an elbow and then tussled with Mr. Fantastic while She-Hulk tried to hold him back, Sue was looking after Franklin and Thing was down from Rouge draining him... that is assuming wolverine8888 was talking about the same 4 issue mini I am.

Lol, in no way can Wolverine take on the entire FF. Sue alone can kill him with barely more than a yawn. Granted Wolvie has a killer instinct and Sue doesn't, but in terms of ability, Wolverine can't do a damn thing to her. He may have dropped Torch with an elbow, but Johnny isn't a particularly good fighter. His abilility lies in his flaming powers, and if he was flamed-on, he's going to come out the better in that fight. Of course Wolverine isn't afraid of Thing, Wolverine isn't afraid of ANYONE. That doesn't mean he's going to beat Thing. He can injure him severely, but Thing can do the same. And I don't care if Wolverine got up from Hulk's blows in one comic because he's been knocked out with one punch in others. It depends on the writers, but Hulk is most definitely capable of knocking Wolvie unconscious, as is Thing.

Wolverine possess strenght near that of Captain America, so enhanced human strenght.It's too much sufficient to stab his Adamantium claws through Benji's rock skin, but, only a critical strike can make the Thing going KO, a hit like that on Benji's face, will result as Wolverine's end.
Actually the Thing is on class 85/90 strenght, a full strenght punch on Wolverine's body will make him going ko, and if Benji goes mad, will cause Wolvie serious troubles.The Thing cannot bend adamantium, and his under Hulk's level of Strenght, but it's different piercing the Hulk's high resistent skin, and the Thing ROCK high resistent skin, anyway, if Logan doesn't stab a one shot hit, bye bye.Also remember that the last HULK VS WOLVERINE, when Wolvie was an Apocalypse knight, he was enhanced by Apocalypse, and also he was stuck on hulk's chest waving his hands and cutting anything in melee range.
About Colossus resistance VS Thing resistance, Colossus is living metal, doesn't need to breath or eat, Benji does(and he can recover fast than a normal human but he's not in Wolvie's healing abilities league), and his rock skin has survived several injurie like Mjolnir's blows, or a punch from Terrax that perform a Super Strength Haymaker and drove poor Ben through the floor. And through the next floor. And through the floor after that. And the one after that, too. All the way down into the basement, 40-something stories below.Anyway Then Terrax's attention was diverted by the great orange fist of stone directed at his face from Ben that sent Terrax on an unscheduled flight uptown, knocking him through the wall of the skyscraper, across the street, through the wall of the next building, out the other side, across the next street, into another building, and across another street.IT WAS CLOBBERIN TIME.
Ehm back in topic, from marvel directory Ben is class 85 and Colossus class 75, but some of you sayed that he's in the Thing class so it's a draw for me.

It was Clobberin' Time.

If Thing hit Wolverine like he hit Terrax in FF #242...it would probably kill him...Wolverine was knocked out when Thing casually tapped him on the head in FF vs X-men (even if wolvie's reflexes were slow, that has nothing to do with his resistance to concusion), I dont know how long it took him to recover when Thing backhanded him for slashing his face...Thing pulls his punches when he fights anyone, no matter how strong they r...he doesnt go all out when he fights the Hulk or Colossus and they r more durable than him...but when it comes to Skrulls or cosmic guys like Terrax he goes all out...just like that scene in #242 proved...Terrax is a herald with as much strength as he needs, he weighs over 2000lbs too...imagine how many more skyscrapers wolverine would go through since he is only a tenth of Terrax's weight.

i cant wait to see how wolvie deals with the ff in enemy of the state

imo wolvie wins this one, i came in saying thing would win, but the chances of thing getting slashed a few times by wolvie are extremely high, the chances of ben hitting wolverine are moderate but not too likely, wolvie's dealt with faster and stronger (stronger than himself not the thing) enemies and survived with barely a scratch, if we're talking about kick a$$ "i live up to my history" wolverine then i think wolvie takes it all the way

if we're talking about the hot-headed and slow wolvie in certain comics, then thing takes it in a few seconds

Colossus isn't class 75 anymore, he's 100 now. As for Thing, why would he pull his punches against Hulk? He's gotten beaten down by Hulk, you'd think he'd go all out against the guy.

he pulls his punches against everyone....its his nature, he doesnt want to kill...one time he thought he seriously wounded or killed the Hulk and he desparately tried to rescue him from beneath a city block of ruble...Hulk ended up busting out and continued to trash the Thing...when a skrull was disguised as Colossus, Thing held back and still kicked his @ss. When he found out it was a skrull he admitted he could finally cut loose. Reed Richards has said that if Thing let his anger and strength get out of hand, he could lose control like the Hulk...his powers r potentially just as destructive, as demonstrated in FF vol 3 #57-59.

i dont know about that, i think its just his ego talking there....as i've seen him go full out on hulk and hulk still whacked him into submission

That's what always bothers me when they continue to reinvent a character. I think it was the midget of the Shiar entourage, I think his name was Jahf that sucker punched and launched Wolverine at a huge distance, yet he survived.

That is craptastic writing if without adamantium Wolverine got hit full force by the Hulk and didn't die. He should have been crushed literally. And yes Hulk could knock Wolverine out with one hit, especially if hes punching as hard as he can.

Wolvies skeleton alone weighs more than 200 pounds.

true, wolverines relxes dont have to do with his resistance to concusion, but he could've obviously dodged the attack

wolverine's skelaton is 100lbs....thats why he weighs a total of 300...Terrax weighs 2,750lbs...Terrax weighs 9.16 times as much as Wolverine...nearly ten times as much...wolverine's body is dense enough to go through a building...thus, he would probably fly something like nine times as far as Terrax did.

but wolvies weight would only show how he's adapted to the adamantium weight, so he's got enough speed to dodge thing from a full on attack, which he's definitely done agianst hulk

but if both characters are going all out i still think wolvie is gonna do some real big damage to thing, with his slashes causing thing to slow down and his speed being enough to maneuver around thing, but i would never consider these two going all out on eachother

Thing has demonstrated he has enough hand to hand skill to not end up a giant sack of meat like the Hulk...if wolvie slashed Thing he would pay the price with his life.

A giant sack of meat? When did Hulk end up like that?


And there is absolutely no question that Hulk can knock Wolvie out in one puch, Hulk HAS knocked Wolvie out with one punch, it's called Incredible Hulk #181, which is a fairly important issue for Wolverine. beyond 'his first ass-kicking' issue...

wolverine is not that fast, nor is thing that slow. yes wolvi is fast enuf to dodge around thing and get a few slashes in, but because he is dodging at the same time he's slashing, his slashes would have little power in them because he wouldn't have the time to make an appropriate and critical hit. wolvi would have to withdraw his attacks before his claws bury deeply else risk the chance that thing clocks him in the head with a good punch. all wolvi's "fast" attacks would only scratch the thing and annoy him. if logan decided to make a serious stab or slash, then he wouldn't be fast enuf to dodge the thing and he would get his ass clobbered.

ok now lets test everyone's knowledge...who is faster Thing or Wolverine...this is for the fanboys who have a bias assumption that Thing is just big and slow...Wolverine is basically peak human in speed...the Thing's mutation did not make him any less fats/ agile/ or flexible than before, this has been repeated in every official marvel handbook. Thing has also ran down the Rhino who can run over 100mph im pretty sure.

marvel handbooks dont mean squat here, but when you come down to it wolvies mass is much less than things, giving him much more maneuverability, and considering wolvies history i would definitely say wolvie is faster than thing, as for wolvie's slashes not being able to pierce thing, his claws are adamantium, when you have an indestructible metal thats razor sharp, you really dont have to put much strength into an attack to pierce anything weaker than adamantium, as its been shown in comics before

I am not arguing the fact that wolvie can cut Thing's skin...this is obvious, Ive seen it done...the handbook does have ground here because it is written by Marvel and is supposed to be official at the time. When multiple writers say that the Thing has not lost speed or flexibility or agility due to his mutation I have to take their word over your opinion. What do u base your opinion on? when has Thing appeared slow? And what do u have to say about him running down the Rhino?...what does mass have to do with it? Thing's physiology is exponentially more efficient than Wolverine's being twice as heavy doesnt mean anything when you're twenty times as strong. Gladiator weighs over two thousand pounds and he is faster than anyone on Earth, so what does mass have to do with it? I say based on my knowledge on both of them, since I read comics about both characters and I'm not ignorant about either one, Thing can easily outrun Wolveine, but in hand to hand fighting one might only have a marginal advantage over the other. Thing's powers include superhuman strength, durability, endurance, AND SPEED...wolverine may only possess enhanced human or peak human speed.

I think Wolverine possesses enhanced human speed, to the point of animalistic speed, and he's most definitely faster than Thing. Yet like someone said, it only takes one blow to daze Wolvie and then Thing can wham on him as he sees fit. Wolverine is fast, but agility is what enables someone to dodge so well, and Wolverine is most definitely not Spider-Man. Didn't you say Wynndar that Thing clobbered Wolvie after he got slashed? Meaning obviously it wasn't enough to stop him. I suppose it's possible for Wolvie to kill Thing, but he'd have to score a perfectly aimed hit.

yeah but the slash he gave to thing just pierced things skin, it wasnt a deep cut or a stab

im not saying thing is slow, thing is definitely not a slow character, but between these two i think wolvie surpasses him in speed, getting hit in the head would definitely daze wolvie, of course logan knows that and would definitely mean that thing would need to hit a perfectly aimed hit also, but if wolvie cuts thing deep anywhere it would slow ben down since ben has no healing factor of his own, while a punch to anywhere on wolvies body would definitely hurt him, he knows that and wont give thing the chance (he's done this before while fighting alot of hand ninja's, if he were to get hurt in an artery or heart it would definitely mean trouble, since it would slow wolvie down and give the ninja's an upperhand)

Well it was pretty deep, deep enough that it was infected and took awhile to heal. Plus he had to wear a helmet, and I don't think it was to cover his nasty scar, the guy's ugly as hell anyway, a scar isn't going to make any difference, lol.

lol yeah. I still give this to wolverine (on average) I've been outrun by guys on the wrestling team, but I'm still quicker than them on the mat so I'd have to assume the same principle applies here too, Wolvie can definitely dodge thing's attacks, (the guy hops circles around the Hulk people!) and while thing's size doesn't effect his speed it definitely affects the outcome of this fight, Wolverine's alot smaller of a target to hit, Think about a crazy man half your size and quicker than you bouncing around, attacking you with razor sharp blades. It's not like wolverine has to pinpoint his strikes to hit the thing (the guys the size of a small truck) but the thing surely has to make more of an effort to hit Wolverine. Like I said before Thing CAN take Wolverine out, but there are too many advantages for wolverine to take here.

You being quicker doesn't mean anything if you can't pin your opponent. Wolverine can't 'pin' Thing, he can scratch him, maybe even skewer him, but it's much easier for Thing to lay him out with a punch than for Wolverine to completely disembowel him: which is what he'd pretty much have to do for Thing to be out of the fight. An attack with his claws will harm Thing, but not enough to take him out. Wolvie's faster, but he's not the Flash or Spider-Man and can still be caught.

Hulk can hit Wolverine, why Benji cannot, i think this fight goes to The Thing.
Anyway, i found the way to kill Wolverine if you're not a superpowered guy:

Overload is body with machineguns load with sleepingbullets, then some napalm for 10minutes, then take him on an airplane blocked and drop him into a volcano.Bye bye logan.

Or just break his neck. Much quicker.

Logan's skeleton is imbued with adamantium, Thing's class 90 strenght cannot break it.

It's a common misconceptiont hat Logan cannot have his neck broken, but he indeed can. Thing doesn't have to break the adamantium, with which the skeleton is laced. The bones can be broken because they are only protected by the adamantium, not made of it. It takes higher than normal strength, but Wolvie has had his neck broken before by Hulk *in the What If? comic* and died, and even told Spider-Man that if he, Spidey, broke his, Wolvie's, neck, he, Spidey, would succeed in killing him, Wolvie.

he can have his neck broken, but he's been in situations where he's had his entire spine broken and survived it in more situations than that ONE time when logan stated spidey can kill him by snapping his neck in the history of marvel comics

that spiderman/wolvie crossover was simply a writer trying to go on with his comic, and that what if? is just that...what if?

my point was saying that wolvie can attack weak spots that deal with maneuverability (like his ankles, knees, and shoulders) and while thing can take out wolvie (not in one hit, as they've shown against hulk) he is a smaller target than things 6 foot tall and 500 lbs.

btw in the new mk wolverine solo, logan mentions that he's taken thing down before, and theres no reason why he cant do it again and also mentions thing fights like a wrestler

Wolverine's skeleton is bonded on the molecular level, it isn't just coded; I'm pretty sure that means his bones can't be broken. Every time Wolverine's skeleteon is seen with... him not on it is still in one piece, this would mean there is somthing holding it together.

that's what I said,,,in a what if universe though his neck did get broken, I think Hulks puches just hit his neck hard enough a vertebre slipped. but I agree about you skeleton theory cause I always asked the same question too.

the skeleton theory may be true, it would explain alot of the stuff his spine has survived, unless his body can simply heal his spinal chord in a matter of seconds, as i've said before he survived being sandwiched by two high speeding cars, i wish i had the pic to show it but dont have a scanner, maybe i could scrounge up the pic online....but at that time he had no adamantium in his bones and took about 20 minutes for him to heal from it

it has been said that the adamantium and his bones have bonded on a molecular level (from his healing factor and the amount of time he's had the adamantium since he first got them) so it would make sense that the ligaments would bond in some way also

It wasn't just the one time he's mentioned that. He's said it before. If you don't like the What If? then what about Hulk 181 when he knocked Wolvie out with one blow and that was to the skull. If it had been to the neck it probably would have killed him. His spine isn't his neck, a person lives with a broken spine, but usually a broken neck kills a person. However, you don't die from the neck bones breaking, you die from the shock to the nervous system, and Wolverine is still a human being and has a human nervous system, adamantium or not.

I doesn't matter were Wolverine is hit by the Hulk, the force should turn his whole body into mush... but it doesn't. Or maybe it does and they artist just aren't aloud to draw really gruesome pictures. When Wolverine fights bricks, more then once the captions have said that his muscles and flesh were liquefied by the force, but he looks fine in the picture so who knows

Wolvie is portrayed as faster...but by definition of Thing's powers he should be equally as fast...Im not going to get into the physics but for Thing to throw an object into space he has to move his arm much faster than a regular human is capable...I dont think we need to talk about either one killing the other, Thing holds back and although Wolvie can cut Thing, he can't stab right through him.

he can stab through thing, in mk wolverine #22 he stabs things left arm (claws straight through) right in the artery that causes massive blood loss and death in about 15 seconds for humans, so thing could take it but it definitely slowed him down

moving his arms in a fast enough motion to throw something into space doesnt exactly define speed, it does define great presicion along with the strength in his arms,

no matter how strong someone is, they cant make an object reach escape velocity without moving their arm at an incredible speed as well.

I don't totaly understand what you are saying. If a pitcher can throw a ball at 90 mph does that mean his arm moves at 90mph?

yea...its physics...a ball going 90 had to start going 90 at some point...it didnt leave the pitchers hand going 30 and then accelerate...the pitcher's hand and the ball were both going 90 at some point...after the ball leaves the pitcher's hand it is only decelerating...no more kinetic energy gets put into the ball...make sense?

Thing's speed in that regard is due to his strength though. A normal human being is not capable of sending something into orbit, Thing does it not because he is fast, but because he is strong. Spider-Man isn't capable of sending something into orbit. Thing is faster than some give him credit for, he's certainly no Rhino, but he does not have the speed of movement like Wolverine has. I think that's what people are arguing.

it is a combination of speed and strength that allows him to put an object into space...just like the baseball analogy, its simple physics.

The Thing can peform a "Hulk Clap" to stun Logan, then, 1 or 2 blows at full force, or take away Logan's tongue causing him massive pain then putting him KO with his best hit.Logan isn't invicibile, Benji can do the job and come back home for the Superball.

very true, but hulks never done it to wolvie and anyway, that would mean thing would need space between him and wolvie, which wolvie wont let happen

speed doesnt essentially deal with throwing a ball, the precision timing and strength of swinging your shoulder in such a way to bring your arm into that speed would suggest that it essentially deals with precision, super-strength would definitely have a part to play in thing chucking something into space as a baseball player works out the muscles in his shoulder to swing a bat or throw a ball

The Hulk has used the "thunder clap" on Wolverine before, and it messed up Wolverine's sense to the point that he need to flew the immediate area giving himself time to recover.

Wolverine

speed is essential in throwing a ball...it is the precision and technique that allows the pitcher to reach those speeds...like i said, its physiccs and its a fact...not up for argument...In order for a pitcher to throw a 90mph fast ball they have to gets their hand moving that fast at somepoint because once the ball leaves their hand there is no more kinetic energy going into the ball...once the ball leaves his fingers it is decelerating.

I'd say it's best not to bring physics into a comic argument though. Logically Wolverine shouldn't be able to regenerate is muscle and flesh from nothing but it never stops him.

but to swing your arm at 90 mph means to have the precision and muscles to do it, i cant swing a ball at 90 mph but i can with enough precision and strength, if without precision then nothing would happen so it does have an important part to play, physics doesnt have shit to do with thing a comic book character throwing something into space, and throwing things into space doesnt prove anything, wolverine takes this one imo

Wynndar is right about the pitcher argument, but that doesn't make Thing fast. His strength allows him to move his arm at that speed, but his body is something different. Mind you I'm not saying Thing is slow, but he isn't as fast as Wolverine or Spider-Man in a fight because that's how their bodies are, they are capable of swift movement; yet neither one is capable of throwing something into space.

Actually he does...unlike the Hulk who gets his mass and energy from a pocket dimension, Wolverine regenerates from the protien he eats...If he is malnurished then his healing factor quites...One time he was stranded in the desert and almost died...he tricked the vultures into thinking he was dead, then when they started to peck at him he grabbed them and ate them...how can we say simple mechanical physics dont apply to a comic book?...science is a central element to Marvel comics...concepts like genetics are essential in the explanation of most Marvel heroes. If they go off into such great detail about the electromagnetism involved in Magneto's powers, then how can we not hold them accountable for something as easy to grasp as the physics of throwing a ball?

no...throwing a ball at 90 mph is not dependent on precision or muscle...its physics...If a person gets their hand moving at 90mph in an unprecise and unelegant way, they can still throw a ball at 90mph, but not with any accuracy. A better example involving even less precision or muscle would to tie a string to a ball and swing it in a huge circle...eventually it would get going at 90mph and all the person would have to do is let go of the string and then the ball would fly in a vecter tangent to that circular movement at that moment...considering how much people argued about the electromagnetic spectrum when talking about Magneto, i dont see why this is so hard to understand.

this is just making me stray from my opinion, i think wolvie would win against thing seeing as thing has no healing factor and wolverines stabs and slashes would slow him down, although thing does have good maneuverability i dont think its as good as wolverines seeing as he's fought larger quantities of enemies, dodged all their attacks, and still slashed them all to bits

That I did not know. I shall use it forthwith to crush Kramer's and wolverine88888888888888888888's 'Wolverine is undefeatable' arguments, lol.

lol, i didnt even know that, but he is definitiely not undefeatable

yea even some writers have ingnored the principles of Wolverine's healing ability...but yes...when he was stranded in the desert he nearly died...his healing factor shut off due to lack of sustanance...

that does make sense, you know technically in enemy of the state he was murdered

yea Hulk regenerate from nothing nothing...he did it everyday apparently in "THE END"...thats because he gets mass out of a pocket dimension...

I like Wolverine and all. But against Thing he is gonna get his @ss pounded into the ground. Although his claws can cut grim.

didn't thest 2 a team for shield before they gained stuff like adamantium and bricks

IMO, the Thing wins this one.

muffin man what did you just say? i just cant understand it.

they once teamed up in a time before wolverine had his bones coated in adamantium and before bengrimm got hit by cosmic rayes.
the series only lasted 3 issues
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Are you saying that thing wins against wolverine?

uuughhh this again....i say tie.....if anyone gets an advantage here it will be wolverine though...but tie for right now.