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This is just a random thought that popped into my head.

How many of you feel that D&D is a bad thing? I know there are quite a few people who feel that Dungeons and Dragons is basically Satan's board game (like Chutes and Ladders with a fiery lake at the bottom!), but what do you all think of it?

Personally, I have no problem with it (though I don't play it), but I know my parents sure do . The mom in particular (heh) believes that if I ever touched D&D material, I'd become a die-hard Satanist.

What are your thoughts?

(Feel free to incorporate video games based off of D&D.)

Heh, you're gonna become a die-hard Satanist, LOL, that'll be interesting...for a change, why don't you post as you imagine a die-hard Satanist would for the next 48 hours! Liven things up,mix it up.

people read too much into things now. we have become a country of wusses and gun slinging cowboys with a john wayne syndrome. a game is just a game until you put something else behind its meaning.

Is it absolutely positivly nerdy? Yes

Is it satanic? No, no its not. but its nerdy

*proceeds to de-nerd self*

I dont play it, but i dont think its nerdy or anything...i just wouldnt play it

D&D is awesome, I used to play with my buddies alot last summer. It's fun. It has nothing to do with satan and anyone who thinks it does is a retard with the logical thoughts of a toothpick.

mmm never played it.

Actully i never seen a D&D board game???

Can we actually get them in the UK

Yeah, D&D isn't a board game...

Anyways, it's probably the nerdiest activity on the face of the earth, but it kicks ass. I play it all the time, and look at me, I turned out fine! *twitches*

My friend's whole family plays it. It's pretty funny, actually.

im a pretty religious person, and i play the game. its not corrupting me or anything

*twitch twitch*



I've played it before, it's fun...definitely very nerdy, but a ton of fun. And not at all satanic

Play Hungry Hungry Hippos instead--its much cooler.

I used to play a marvel version of D&D it was pretty damn fun, but I didn't love the devil till I played twister with him..so which is truly evil?

I agree with most other oppinions, it has nothing to do with Saten, in fact as a fantasy RPG it has no real connection with real life religions. Also fantasy is usually classic good against evil with good always winning, at least in genric terms. Reminds me of my first game, I was a half elf mage, lawful good. He was eaten by Gnomes in the first half hour. Still, its a lot of fun, and somewhat trendy at uni at the moment.

sort of off topic, but doesnt the rock (wrestler) play D&D? ive heard that he does, id never expect that! what a legend!

Vin Disil, or what ever his name is, the action guy from XXX and Pitch Black is also apparently an avid D&D player.

D&D is about as Satanic as a gardening club, though you may well consider Tulips to be fairly devilish.

What is also isn't, however, is a very good RPG... not that that stops me playing it, because a game is what you make of it, a role-play twice so, but its potential is extremely limited. It actually works far better on computer (e.g. the Baldur's Gate games) where the number chasing and monster slaying doesn't tire as fast.

In my experience, the finest and most intelligent Moderators that I've ever known have all had BtVS quotes in their sig. Coincidence?


My point being: To Ush, you must listen.

D&D is cool tho i do not play it, but d&d has inspired many good rpg game makers to produce great games

FM... what makes you think that?

My boyfriend plays the game and said there is nothering that he finds evil about it.I mean it is just a game.Just like that one game Ougie or whatever it is called.
I doubt if there is any deeper meaning into it.JM

Okie first of all, D&D normaly isn't a board game (altho atleast one DnD board game exists (bad one)) It's a roleplaying game.
Secondly there is Nothing Satanic about D&D if your mom thinks that you should take her to a RPG convention. You can give the game whatever feel you want but I think you have to try really hard to give it a satanic feel.

As for nerdy? well I dunno. But since I've been a pretty hardcore DnD player for the last 12 years my opinion might not be objective.
People call me and my RPG friends nerds but we usualy agree.
RPGs are for nerds so what!

DnD is a great RPG as Ush said fairly limited but I still enjoy playing it to an extreme level. I don't agree with ush on Baldurs gate being better than real DnD (depends on what you are used to ofcourse)

RPGs are about one of the best hobbies I can think of.

I am aware, but my mom is completely ignorant of everything D&D. She sees D&D = devil-worship. I have tried to explain the premise to her before--she's more thick-headed than a coconut with an inactive thyroid gland (or somesuch). I tried to explain to her that KotOR is BASICALLY D&D (which she allows no problem due to the lack of magic), but it didn't work.

There was this thing my friend found on the internet that was making fun of D&D... I don't remember where he found it, but it was basically a sound clip of a bunch of power-nerdy kids sitting around playing D&D and saying stupid things. It was funny as hell. If your mom heard that, she might change her mind.

http://www.exposingsatanism.org/dnd.htm

I think it's a fairly common belief, actually. Another reason people think it's "bad" is because of all the "goths" who play it.

That guy doesn't even know what D&D is about DR I have that clip on my comp (atleast if you mean the one with "I wanna cast magic missle" and "I attack the darkness"

djee, if you look hard enough into everything you can also proof that the IQ of a parakeet and the hair on the back of your nextdoor neighbour

Perhaps you could be on the right track trying to educate her, I mean, if she likes something like, say, Lord of the Rings, then she couldn't really have a problem with D&D, which everyone claims was inspired by it, and Star Wars just changes the name of magic to "The Force"

chances are theyr'd think LOTR was evil aswell.... aswell as most things outside her front door

I've never sat and played it because the main premise to it being nerdy is due to all the calculations .... which i would have no problem with. But Satanic wise i do remember a book of demons, devils, and Gods so maybe they have a beef with that part but if you know the universe you will realize from a christen point of view Helm is basically the Crusader ideal of God.

And Buldur's Gate Rocks .... i guess Bhaal Lord of Murder, the enemy in BG, would not sound so cool in a church

we (D&D players) have quite a few books about hell, devils, demons and evil deities even so we have equaly many books about heavens, angels and good deities

Very true but those searching for wrong will be blind to this premise i love the idea and the universe of DD

nah I'm not in favor of the carthwheel of planes, I mean it is nicely thought of but I don't like it I usualy eliminate every plane except the material, astral and shadow plane (the others are not really planes)

It's a vague category. I always thought I could make up better rubrics.

huh what you mean shaber talking about the carthweel of planes or?

I LOVED this show. It was the best!

I think it should be darker and more austere!

which show?

Both!

Still have no idea about which show you are talking

I can't believe I'm going to say this....

But thank god i skipped D&D and went straight to comic book nerd-dom

yea cause you actualy need intelligence to roleplay

what you need in order to role play is your parents basement and almost no social life aside from your small handful of friends who worry about "leveling up their level 9 battle mage"

well if you ever come to belgium I'd dare you to come and play with us, you need a lot of intelligence and good judgement too
and well I think my social life is quite big thank you, I know a lot of players who have a huge social life as a matter of fact

I think a lot of people have serious mis-conceptions about RPGs and if ppl never played it I think they should know their opinions are purely based on speculations

Yup....I'm using nothing but speculation...and I'm not afraid to admit it.

With where I live, I spend far too much time at the beach surfing, or riding my dirt bike to enjoy any RPG that can't be saved on a computer or console.

Ok, I admit it. DnD is my soft spot. I love playing it.

YES, I'M A NERD, SUE ME! droolio

Wow, is that not the world's biggest stereotype...

Don't worry, Vampy, you're among friends here!

touched i am?

I'm addicted to Dungeons and Dragons. I always play with a fire genasi and i'm starting a new campaign on friday droolio

You are hug

I haven't played in a few years...I miss it...it was so much fun

Everytime I think of D&D.....I think of Comic Book Collector Guy from the Simpsons....

I have never even seen a copy of this game
Not too big on video games, except the Sims

Oh and the whole satanism thing is like saying Harry Potter inspires devil worship
I think it's just good clean fun

shocking it is not.... NOT A VIDEO GAME cry

hug lana! must fly, meet and play! I be the.. the... erm... well the one that... erm... the priest thingy

My characters were always fighter-types...my favorite was an elven ranger Yes! Must play together, Vamps!

what is it then?

never even looked at the game in my life

YES! 12-hour session with chips and loads of coke!

Its an RPG type of game. Book, character sheets, dice...

the only good role playing games are those Pick-a-Path games....

Those were awesome.

D&D is the nerdiest thing ever, but it's a lot of fun to play

Awesome! I'll bring some cookies

I played a gnome rogue in a D&D adventure. The gp I collected...

yay! FORGOTTEN REALMS HERE I COME!

i got a huge map on my wall

sick
I always thought it was a computer game

No offense

but I think your mom is republican and has voted Bush

This is the only explanation for this topic...Just my opinion.

In case of doubt: Don't ever touch D&D material or you'll become Satan himself

Never was a fan of Forgotten Realms tbh, too much of "turn over a rock and find a +5 weapon"

DnD on a comp still makes me laugh, it's pathetic no Computer RPG even comes close to the real stuff

PS: I'm making my own world it's a great deal of fun I just need nice drawings of everything which is quite hard to find

i don't like computer rpg

but i always enjoyed maths, so there you go

nice!

I still don't think their is that much math in it, sure you have to be able to add up a few numbers, AWWW really hard

altho I am getting fast in adding up D6's lately

tell this to people who flee in terror after seing a couple of digits to add

hehe you know some?

Is there a possibility on the D&D CDROM to get out of the dungeon without using the wizard key?

(adapted quote from The Simpsons, the one were Homer playes Poochie, the Dog)

It's "Wizard Key"



At least in the U.S., it is.

how do you mean ?

changed it... wasn't sure of that ending cause I only saw the episode twice

'twas all in good fun.

all the time

LOL! I about crapped myself with laughter when I watched that--the hilarity was unprecedented!



Therein lies the problem. *Sighs, and then rolls eyes.*

My youth pastor is really into LotR and that is why she is OK with it. Because he says it is OK and enjoys reading, it is OK and the magic "isn't really magic" (*sighs again*). The Force...yeah, it's sci-fi so it isn't magic. Except for PSO, which is not Satan's videogame, but more like Satan's ex-girlfriend's videogame.

Get this--I got Anarchy Online (any players here?), a sci-fi based MMORPG with a conflict between an evil corporation and those who rebelled against it (Omni-Tek and, strangely enough, the Rebels). Every single character class in the game has nanoformulae (read: spells...and is it formulas or formulae?) and she says that she wants me not to use the NFs.

Durh?

Well, obviously you should do EVERYTHING any youth pastor tells you, or you will go to hell...

Yep, that's the one. I realize it's not very accurate, but it was still funny.

Indeed, and I am the same way. Actually, you'd be surprised at how lax she is with violence--carnage, gore, random killing is all fine and dandy, but get into the magic and watch yourself...

I'm thinking of explaining it to her like this:

What is the difference between a superhero throwing a fireball and a wizard casting a spell that throws a fireball? Not much in the way of anything, from my POV. I take a look in the Bible and it says not to practice "the magical arts" and such, but I see that as being literal magic--praying to demons and gods, actually trying to cast spells, etc.

Hmmm...where was it again...some place in "Bible times" (how stupid does that sound?) that sold these cards that had sorcerors' spells on them to protect the people. Fascinating little tidbit of information there.



I could make an inappropriate joke here, but I won't.

Essentially, I made that joke- it was implied. Thanks for picking it up and loving it well!

D&D was a fairly good movie...one I would never bother seeing again but didn't lose too many brain cells watching. I have never played the game

The movie sucked majorly julie it truely didn't catch the spirit of a good game. LOTR was way better to catch the spirit of a decent DnD story

the movie did suck. Big time.

I mean come on, people passing a beholder like they did. There is no way. Beholders have lots of eyes. So much was wrong with that movie.

The real DnD is so much better.

you guys are picking on the movie....

Of course. If they would have not named it Dnd, or made it more like Dnd, then we would not have to.

The movie really was horrible

it had dungeons...

it had dragons...

it lived up to the title.

And that' s about it. The comparison stops there

that's what you get for having a Wayan's brother star in the movie.

Closes I can come up with is lord of the rings. It has all the races, and a journey. So its simlar to Dnd.

I never saw the DnD movie. Wise move on my part, apparently

Absolutely. What a disappointment it was.

idd SS and yes Vaya LOTR comes close

altho there are ways of sneaking past a beholder, they can still screw up their spot roll

DragonSlayer with Dirk the Daring was the sh!t

hehe
link

Moral of the D&D movie- Jeremy Irons REALLY wants that castle...

BTW, unless I have missed something, it was Dragon's Lair.

I know there are ways, but they did not use any. They just walked on by. In a game i played we were able to, but that was because we used a beholder agaist then, and we let the beholder go first. Its a long story.

Damnit.

Dragon Slayer was a movie.

Dragon's Lair was the b!tchin cartoon. You are correct Ush....once again

but if you say them both fast enough....they sound the exact same.

hmmm I think my players would use magic, or if they think they can make it attack the beholder

it's like the holiday special for star wars

Jesus, the movie was the biggest shit ever. Just plain stupid.

And poor Thora Birch weep

D&D (the movie) was HORRIBLE. The only thing I can remember was a bunch of retarded wizards and this chick who had to use magic dust. And one of the guys looked like a shark.

Whats everyones favorite class?

Mines I guess either a magic user or a ranger.

Magic user here--depending on my mood, it's either a wizard, necromancer, or cleric.

i loved the pc games (i have owned almost all of them at one time or another), but I tried to get interested in the actual d&D game itself and I just got bored. Probably because in the PC game, you already have everything set out (quests, NPC's, treasures, monsters, locations, etc), and there is less surprise of what is going to happen in the proper dnd game.

I either go for something with magic, mage or similar, or something like a Paladin/monk. In fact a Paladin is a good character to use, if your inclined, in arguments with people who consider D&D evil, or involved with the devil, considering they are pretty much manifestations of everything good and pious. A bit like the Crusaders made themselves out to be.

I always used to just use fighters when i started the PC games, as they get so much more feats.

My favourate class at the moment for the PC games is the monk, as they get loads of feat-like abilities for free, and get to use their fists as +1/+2/+3 etc weapons. Plus, they dont have to spent loads of money on weapons or armour or spells or wands/staffs.

I tried to get used to using spellcasters, but they are so weak at lower levels, and they are almost undefetable at epic levels, but to learn epic spells they have to give up so much XP.

True, true. Perhaps its just the possiblity to wear robes that appeals to so many. And monks would have to be one of the best classes I think, a bit like a D&D version of Pai Mei.

Yeah. They get fighter-type feats and abilities for free, but dont have to wear armour or use weapons.

low level (lv1-10): best to use barbarians or fighters
medium level (lv 11-20): best to use monks or spellcasters
epic level (21-40): best to use spellcasters (it is so difficult to fight with epic melee characters against epic spellcasters unlessthey have some kind of magic nullifiers, but at least epic melee characters dont have to give up any XP to learn new epic spells)

In NWN, the epic warding spell was just so overpowerful
The best NWN feat was probably the devastating critical (instant death on critical hit - no save)
I was going to go through NWN:HOTU again with a monk instead of a fighter, but i had to sell the game to get some money back.
Some of the items that people have created with the NWN aurora toolset for online play are just rediculoussly overpowered. It's just not fair. The best item I found in all of NWN was the black orb that nullifies all magical/spell effects (use once only)

epic sucks big time, the game is totaly ruined once you pass lvl20 (class become grossly imbalanced)

eleveninches I don't agree that fighters and barbarians have the advantage on lower levels, maybe in a pc game but not in a real (atleast not in one of my sessions) sure they have great combat abilities but they have huge drawbacks as well, if you have a party with only fighters and barbarians and you have to talk your way out of something yousa f*cked

I believe all classes are quite potent at every lvl just in different fields, arcane users who can cast lvl3 spells are also quite combat-capable

my personal class favorite is a monk, just cause I like their abilities

(To use their fists as +1/+2/+3 etc weapons) that's a 3.0 rule 3.5 worked out monks and especialy rangers so much better

Heh, try that on MY parents.

that's what he's trying to do

well I think a paladin is a lot more than whatever the crusaders made themself out to be

D&D is old news. Warhammer is IN nowadays.

WH sucks now that's for nerds

Come on I have no beef with WH .... they have Chain Swords droolio

D&D is not old news. Lots and Lots of people still play it, therefore its not old news

Oh OH Mage. then Paladin. but thats in the comp versions.

So you have only played computer games?

like Neverwinter nights and Buldur's Gate oh oh and Morrowind which is similar

Neverwinter Nights is my favorite game. Have you ever roleplayed?

droolio i have both expansions droolio the original story has to be one of the greatests... next to the Shadows of Amn pray

I tried but everyone else died there in such a hurry to get themselves all killed

I have the expansions to. They are very spiffy

Again, the rubrics for the games should have the correct allignments.

Then make your own

I would if I had the energy and resources cry

Well don't cry about it. It will be ok.

http://f.frost.bbboy.net/healnpd/008.gif I'm sending the bug round to purify.

What did purify do?

It makes the place more orderly The squander bug approved a kind of theocratic fascism.

Thats interesting.

I can't pass judgement on D&D because I don't know what it is.
Ok, so I know Dungeons and Dragons is a game(right?), but what is it about?

-Mademoiselle Reject

Well I'm not sure if I'm the right person to explain it to you. Yes D&D is a game, but no a computer game. Its a roleplaying game. If you dont know what a roleplaying game is, well thats the part thats hard for me to explain. Its a lot of fun though, and I suggest you try it sometime. You might like it.

Okay thanks for the info.

Anytime

I used to have all 4 of the baldurs gate games, all 3 NWN games, Temple of elemental evil, icewind dale/heart of winter and Pool of Radience for the PC.
Now I only have pool of radience, as i sold the others. POR is quite slow, but really big as well and more challenging than HOTU.

Monks have got to be the best class in my opinion. Plus, some of there prestige classes absolutely rule.

yea still pc versions are nothing compared to the real deal

toee was the closest to the real thing (3.5 rules), but it only goes up to lv 10, and is rather slow, but i discovered a bug in the game which allows you to start the game at charachter generatio with max attributes (18 plus/minus racial or class traits).
Also, on pc games, before levelling up, you can save your game, and restart it as many times as is necessary to get max HP points.

Which is lame also starting the game wiv 6 18's or 4 18's, 1 20 and 1 16 is lame

A group of people playing characters a fantasy setting. Its all pen, paper, dice and your imagination. Like living out a book. Its what we did before video games hehe. Depending on your dungeon master your game can be very immersive or very boring

I play every Saturday night.

Its not Satanic unless you want it to be Though there are gods and stuff and people can choose to be good, neutral or evil.

Yeah, but doing that is--dare I use this word out of context in a way that I absolutely despise and hate the 13-year-olds of America for? Yes!--gay because I think that RPGs are all about having characters with weaknesses. What's the fun in KotOR if you run around with all stats at 255 and everything?

Personally, I don't think there is any.

Your lucky you get to play that often. I wish I could play more often.

I love playing D&D
But now i have no one to play it with

I've never played it but the movie sucked

i hated the movie
but i love playing D&D sooo much

Playing is lots of fun.

Slipknot- you should try it sometime.