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What the heck makes you think that Obi-Wan is no good with the Force? Odd! Obi-Wan is one of the Order's most talented members, favoured by Yoda himself. And Anakin still does not have the benefit of wisdom and experience that Obi-Wan has. And as has clearly been shown, Force powers are not the way to dispatch an opponent- lightsabre skill is.

In fact, if you ask me, I want to know how Anakin ever got good enough to take on Obi-Wan at all. THAT'S the impressive bit.

Luck, how does Obi-wan have luck against Darth Maul. He used the force to beat Darth Maul .It is not luck he uses against Anakin, it is his skill and knowledge of the force he uses to beat Anakin.

the answer is simple.

first of all, all this talk of obiwan being 'lucky' against maul is complete and utter bullshit. when maul killed quigon, obiwan opened up a can of whoopass on maul and OWNED his ass. the ONLY reason maul got that last force-push in was that obiwan lost control, and let his anger get the best of him. maul saw the opening and *WHAM*.

if you disagree, watch the scene again. obiwan takes everything maul's got, and throws it in his face.

now, with that aside, i think for the most part, as awesome as obiwan is, anakin is going to wipe the floor with him. the difference though, is that obiwan will have a clear mind of a jedi master throughout the duel, unlike the younger, cockier version of himself. so, obiwan is the most skilled jedi imho, but anakin has so much brute force, physically AND force-wise. because of that he will have the upper hand.

i think anakin will also be more and more furious, hateful, arrogant, and unfocused as the fight progresses. he will know he is more powerful, but it will get to his head. at one point, i really believe he will lose focus completely like obiwan did with maul, and than *SLICE*.

not a matter of luck, but i think it will be more a matter of patience and focus.

very, very well said PVS. i could not have said it any better. i think that how obi defeats ani will be a throw back to how maul 'saw' obi wan's weakeness in PTM and like pvs said, threw it in his face. obi wan will be aware of ani's frivolous anger and during the entirety of the duel, will be looking for a weakeness. then when he finds one he will shove it in ani's face, pushing him off the cliff, hill, or whatever into the lava pit. it will be a complete echoe to ptm. lucas likes to put alot of echoes in all of his movies which is actually why i like his writing skills. obi knows that the same thing will happen to ani as it did him in PTM, thats how he defeats him... in my belief.

I believe its been said by the OS team that he acquires this level of skill during the clone war.

i agree completey with PVS. I think since he is stronger, he'll prolly think that he should just be able to kill ob right off the bat, so as the fight goes on, he'll be like,"if im stronger, why cant i kill him?!" and that will just piss him off more and thats when ob1 gets him.

good point JP, i remember in one of the behind the scenes episodes lucas was talking about how the duel is completely an equal one becuase obi is a very experienced jedi (which will serve him in defeating ani) but anakin is more powerful, so its proven right there.

Actually, the implication was that I knew the answer; I didn't need any filling in. I was just reversing the original point.

BTW, Obi-Wan, in absolutely no way at all, did ever, EVER dominate Maul in that fight. After QGJ died Obi-Wan did indeed go up a gear and meet Maul on a more evn keel... but nonetheless, Maul had the measure of his opponent. Close observation of that fight only reveals that morer and more- Maul nearly always has the initiative and Obi-Wan's defeat was the massively more likely option- this is how Nick Gillard planned it.

I have come to the conclusion that you go out of your way to disagree with me........

That's just a persecution complex on your part then.

Can I have my stake and some gasoline please?

then you need to pause the film when obi cuts mauls saber in half and kicks his sorry ass to the wall. look at maul flat on his ass in the corner wondering wtf just happened? doesnt look like he's doing much measuring there, does he?

hey i guess we all have opinions of our own, but imho, for that fleeting moment, maul got his ass handed to him,

That is ONE move Obi-Wan gets the better of Maul on.

Maul gets the better of him on every single other one.

This is a matter of fact, not opinion. Simple truth is- Maul was better. Any objective analysis of that fight shows it clearly. And Maul doesn't even vaguely look 'wtf?'. He just gets on with it.

Listein it has been stated that Anakin kills dooku and Dooku can last against Yoda so can you imagine the improvements in Anakin. I really dont see Obi being on an equal footing with him in their dual i see it more like Anakin dominating and then Obi finds a moment of weakness there, Now that moment of weakness can not be called as skill what it can be refered to is luck like he got against Maul. I like Obi but he isnt on the same level as Anakin and Yoda and that he is above average but thats it.

what movie did you watch? He's clearly shocked when Qui-Gon kicked his ass off that platform and he landed on his back.

not simple fact.
its mostly move and countermove. mostly even.
nobody dominates the entire fight.


maul dominated the both of them, although quigon got a good pimpslap in on maul . maul just wiped the floor wit quigon. but he was not better when obiwan came out swinging.

simple. obi wan won. obi is better. maul is not as head strong as obi was and therefore got whuped. i knew from the moment the red forcefield went down that obi was gonna kick his ass. i said to myself: "oh shtit maul you better watch your ass you killed obis buddy now youre gonna get the shtit knocked out of you!" that was the point of the last part of the duel, showing that obi was a very pawerful jedi when motivated. he did loose face when he got thrown into the pit i agree, but up untill that point, maul weas the one being attacked, its proven by obi throwing the first blow after the sheilds went down.

Well, now I wouldnt say that. Maul was definitely the better and stronger fighter, his downfall was getting to confident and underestimating his opponent.

well, its all opinion.

saying it's simple fact is way too bold.

i think of it like this:

maul= jedi ninja
obi-wan= jedi samurai

I was under the impression that Lucas made that statement PVS, about Maul becoming over confident. In which case makes it fact.

any work of art is subjective

maul was overconfident, obiwan was too young and headstrong, quigon was too old...everyone was in poor form. so no excuses.

maul was good with the lightsaaber nodoubt, the mere fact theat he faught with a double-bladed proved it. but that entire fight was written to actually, in my eyes, hype the ani-obi duel. it showed that obi wan is a very well trained jedi and proved his lightsaber skills rocked, it also proved that he wasnt scared of evil, so when ani comes out of the closet, obi will not under estimate his power.

Dang Opera

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oh boy am i gonna get it!

You are just pissy because Im always having to correct you.

Get sum edukashun man

ok time for my two cents. I have a a theory that anakin may indeed dominate obi-wan in the duel, initially anyway, however i reckon this might well be largely down to the fact that obi-wan may be reluctant to use any attacking assaults on anakin, and may spend the early stage of the duel defending anakins assaults as opposed to using attacking meneuvers himself.
This would pave the way for some excellent emotional dialogue between the two, with Obi pleading with anakin and attempting to prevent anakin from completing his descent into evil.
But as we have seen in some early footage of the duel obi-wan soon realises that there is no way back for anakin and he is hell bent on finishes of obi once un for all.
A focused obi-wan out wits a furious anakin and he takes a dip in the hot stuff.
As for the obi-wan vs maul duel. I agree that its was a fairly even match but im leaning towards the idea that a better diciplined maul would have done away with the episode 1 obi, but id give the edge to episode 2 obi if they had met again in AOTC

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Quote from George Lucas :

" Obi-Wan is more experienced, Anakin is more powerful."

pretty good reason why Obi-Wan wins i guess experience is greater than power.

exactly, being more powerful doesnt make you a better fighter

sorry about the spelling earlier, the bell rang and i was typing pretty fast.

I also think that Maul was better than Obi-Wan in Episode 1 and Obi got lucky at the end even though he put up a good fight once Quigon went down.
As far as Aniken vs Obi, I think Aniken will dominate but as many of you said he'll lose his cool and slip up and Obi will exploit it to the fullest. *Joking* Maybe Ob will say I knocked your gf up and the kids are mine! :P and trick Aniken lol.
But I basically agree with Darth_Duffy, and PVS posts.

In TPM, Maul and OB1 only had two real good hits on each other(besideds him getting killed). Ob1 knocked him down, and then Maul force pushed him in a hole. If Maul would have just hit him or cut his hands off, guess what......NO MORE OB1. So the only reason for Ob1's victory, is Maul cockiness...a hint of foreshadowing if you will. Maul was obviously a better all around fighter, its just OB1 saw an opening and didnt procrastinate like Maul did.

As far as Ani goes, i think he'll be trying as hard as he can, OB1 wont be fighting is best but i think Ani will think he is, so when OB1 really starts going, it'll throw Ani off and that will be his downfall...."your over confidence is your weakness." as luke tells palpy

As for the obi-wan vs maul duel. I agree that its was a fairly even match but im leaning towards the idea that a better diciplined maul would have done away with the episode 1 obi, but id give the edge to episode 2 obi if they had met again in AOTC

If Maul would have been in eps2 then he would also have improved and well maul was an amazing duelist in one can you imagine an improved maul. Andf anyway the eps1 Obi seems better than the eps2 Obi he was more agile and fast. The only better thingf about the eps2 Obi is he is more wiser and probably more atuned to the force.

I know everyone thinks Anakin has no skill only raw power but he is the only known Jedi we have seen handling two sabres and that must take a lot of skill and concentration.

I wasn't impressed with Anakins dual sabre routine. That could have been so much cooler than it was :/

Could Anakins drawing on the extreme dark side simply tire him out?

The footage I remember seeing in the Trailer, Anakin was always on the offensive, Obi on the back foot. We all know the rumours about Palpy turning uber ugly after he draws on the dark side to defeat Yoda.

So maybe the Dark Side drains you more than Light Side. Obi defends for his life as Anakin unleashes hell fire and brimstone for ten minutes. Anakin runs out of puff giving Obi the opportunity he needs to send Ani swimming.

Good point. Also keep in mind that ANiken fought Dooku as a padawan learner and seemed to do better than Obi Wan did at the end of ep II, before Dooku cut his arm off. So I'd say in Ep III Aniken will be great and very skilled.

"I wasn't impressed with Anakins dual sabre routine"

i think that scene was foresadowing something thats going to happen in the next movie......giving us a taste of what's to come.

actually it WAS alot cooler than we saw. They cut alot of that part of the scene out.

makes sense, lucas didnt want people to see too much of duel ligtsabers yet.

There is a site somewhere that has a bunch of the footage cut from that scene on it, but when my hard drive crashed and burned I lost it.

damn...i wnated to see it. why didnt he put it in the deleted footage on the sp2 DVD?

prolly cause he wants to re-release it and make even more money like how he's doing with the "ultra" edition of the OT, with all the deleted scenes. GL should be burned at the steak for his treachery.

I completely agree Subjekt, cant wait until the Super Mega Ultra Collectors Edition comes out...all 6 movies, tons of deleted scenes & who knows how many new changes added depending on GL's mood the day its finaled.......... for all you purisits out there, maybe he'll have Han shoot first again

we can hope Han gets his balls back. lol

i guess to make room for some of those cheesey naboo scenes.
yeah yeah, we get it GL, anakin wants to get laid, that much is very very clear.
can we PLEASE see a decent dooku/anakin duel that doesnt make them look like a couple of ravers at a nightclub just waving their glowsticks around? of coarse not.

I honestly dont why they cut alot of this stuff... I mean, due to Nat's acting I REALLY did not get that she was attacted to Ani at all, but when you see those deleted scenes of Padme with her family it becomes much more clear. I mean is anyone really gonna complain is SW is longer than 2 hours? Heck no! So leave it in!!!

FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES!!!!!!!!!!!

thank you

yes, natalie had little no chemistry toward hayden imho. hopefully this will be different in ep3, but when they kissed on naboo, i could almost hear portman thinking "think about the paycheck...do it for the paycheck..."

That raver line made me laugh, but you're right. Those scenes on Naboo annoyed me since it slowed down the movie. Dooku vs. Aniken wasn't a horrible fight but when they zoomed in on them and just showed the sabers glowing around their faces it was a little disappointing.

I hate to say it, but GL cares. Hear me out and tell me if this makes sense to you.

Ok, these are rounded numbers so dont jump on my shit...lets say SW is 2hrs, a theater is typically open around 12 - 14 hrs. If it were 2.5 hrs, thats 3- 4 times LESS it will play in a day, which ultimatly means less money for GL and LFL, also cutting down on opening weekend box office sales. Now 3 or 4 times doesnt seem like that much, but i know here movies are $7 and up north theyre even more expensive, ive seen up to 12.50 in alaska. You figure theres about 100 seats(give or take based on theater, stadium seating, ect), not to mention all the people that would stand in the back for a movie like SW. So do the math, at the least, thats $700-800 in just ONE theater.
Spread that all over the country and even world, thats a BIG loss that he just wont have,,,,
but dont get it twisted, i would love to see a longer SW, long as LOTR even.

you agree?

oh btw, i agree with you too PVS about nat and hay together....

I heard that the dual lightsaber scene in EPII was a lot longer and that it was cut from the scene to allow for it to me more intense in EPIII when Anakin gets really into it with dual lightsabres......

Anyone know if Anakin uses two sabres in the EPIII game?

"100 seats in a theater"

maybe in a REALLY small theater. i work at the movie theaters. we have 14 screens in all consisting of four 350 seatting and four 200 seating then six 100 seating. the big movies always get the big screens. thats the way MOST of the theaters are set up around the world.

i said depending on the theater...but you totally missed the point i was maing about the money.....do you agree with THAT?

you and me usually do.

Lets get back to the topic.

What topic?


cornponious

So yet again American Capitalism rears its ugly head...

& as much as I love Hayden & Nat as actors and as their SW characters, that kiss at their wedding was ridiculously chaste. Reminds me of teh Pricess Bride when the Granpa says 'that kiss was the greatest kiss in history' or something to that effect. The wedding kiss is the polar opposite of that. I've seen kisses in Disney movies more passionate than that!

ive seen kisses more passionate in a porno.

LOL Space!!! Indeed!!!

dude, if you were kissing and doing jenna jameson, wouldnt you be passionate?! i know i would. There was no reason for Hay to "get in to it" its PG...YOU CANT EVEN SLIP TOUNGE IN PG!!! I feel sorry for the kid. I dont know if i could kiss Nat and not slip her the tounge...soryy if offensive....but not really

Are you comparing Natalie to Jenna? One's a skank and one's an average (at best) actress. I don't think I'd feel safe with Jenna Jameson......

i bet if you were on of the people doing Jena Jameson, you wouuldnt call her a skank. And my whole point is theyre both beautiful ladies. I could care less about their acting or which type of movies they do. And just cause someone does porn, doesnt mean theyre a **** in real life...its a job.

**** = s!ut

dissapointing??? what planet do u live on!? the lightsabers glowing around there faces really worked, but thats IYHO and this is IMHO, and i respect that

Back to the subject....

The debate to why Obi Won was the victor of the duel shouldn't be as divided as it has become. It is sophomoric to believe that power is the sole criteria to resolve any fight/duel. Rather those sort of contests are determined by skill, agility, experience, power, LUCK, mastery of one's emotion...etc.

For example, I'm 6'6" and I weigh 220, yet I think we all would agree that tiny Bruce Lee would dispense of me in a heartbeat. Who is more powerful? Me. Who is better suited for a fight? Bruce. Anakin may have the most midochlorians, but is takes more then that to defeat a master.

And in response to the originator of this thread, Batman kicked the crap out of Superman the two times I've known them to fight.

"And in response to the originator of this thread, Batman kicked the crap out of Superman the two times I've known them to fight"

that must have been pay-per-view cos i missed that one!

just a reply to an earlier post, dont let me stop ya

Try the Dark Knight Returns.

Back on subject...

Touche

But I couldn't resist.

Touch???

Touche, as in a fencing term or acknowledgement of someone providing a rightful correction to you.

oh ok sorry i wasnt getting funny with ya, am just in one of those moods lol

Again i repeat back to the subject please.

Batman probably only beat supes due to cryp so it wasnt a fair fight more tactical by the bat.

sexyking, don't bump dead threads with useless comments, thankyou.

hey PVS .......that waz absolutely MAGICAL.....well said........
ani's arrogance gets 2 his head and then loss of concentration........with a mixture of obi's wisdom ....WHAM.......there goes anakin's hand................
wow..look at his leg fly.......