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It is said there were 4 explotions on the morning trains into Madrid, Spain. Death toll is, at the moment, 173.... this will probably increase.

The bask seperatist organisation ETA (Euzkadi Ta Azkatasuna) denys they are behind this.

It seems clear, at present time, it is a terrorist attack though even if it is unclear to what happened


........................more to come

Yes, I already heard it on the news

yup same here, Batasuna, the political wing of the ETA firmly states the ETA is not responsible for this

it's not their style... normally they phone the police 15 minutes before-hand so that they have time to evacuate the vicinity, that didn't happen now

I just heard about this. So many dead

All will become clear in time, but I have to admit it isn't the style usually adopted by the ETA.
At the same time, it doesn't seem likely that it would be any of the current 'reigning' terrorist movements, it's not their style either. And it would hardly be the target area of a movement such as the Taliban or Hussein loyalists.
We'll just have to wait and see.

they found other bombpackages too, so all in all, it could have been worse... not that it's any comfort

Well, at least those packages should give the investigating authorities some clues as to the origins of the explosives, and who may be involved.

Whoa.. how long ago did they happen? I just got to first period in school and I didn't hear about this on the news..

the only thing I heard was that it was during morning-traffic

Some time this morning. I didn't see the news either, first time I heard of it was on here.

it was this morning

Do yuo know the approximate time? i.e was it at peak travelling time or at in a period when few traveller's are about?

like I posted above: during morning-traffic, that's a peak travelling time

yeah as Yersie said, morning rush hours

so very sad

I doubt it was ETA I think Der Soldat had a point. with his comment on it prolly not being any current terrorist organisations. They usualy claim that they have done it. as far as I know no group has claimed these attacks

I really don't know much as ETA goes, but I agree Fire, that it probably wasn't them, due to the whole idea that they warn people before something, and there was no warning.. but there never should have to be a warning because nothing like this should happen...

There are a lot of things that should not have happened but did and, unfortunately, still do

Shocking News

Well... denial or otherwise, the Spanish right now say it was the ETA.

it was 13 bomb used, plus they have found some bombs that didnt blow. So it was an act of terrorism.
Wetter it was ETA or someone else remain to be seen

This is just horrible, I watching the news right now.

I didn't say it weren't terrorists, I said it is probably some -for the moment unknown- group of terrorists

point taken Fire

woot I made a point

can be abducted real soon though

true

This forum is the first I have heard of this . I havn't heard anything about it on the news.

So many people died.



Do they know yet who was responsable???

latest count is 186 dead and more than 1 000 injured

still not claimed by any organisation

Just saw the thing on the news, too..damn shame it is, that some people think this is a good way of making themselves heard..

damn this is sad but the bombing does not look like its been done by E.T.A, it seems like Al kadia might have done it.

Then again authorities stopped some people form E.T.A last week and they were found with explosives.

So not really sure in the mean while

one thing to think about: the choosing of the date for this cowardice action. It is another 11

just heard; the bombing is claimed by "The Lions of Al Mufridoon", it's on a website (don't have the url)

They are a group that consists of Marrocean, Algerian and Turkish muslims. In the same report, they say this group has connections with Al-Qaeda

to tell you the truth i am not suprised that Al-Qaeda might be involed

bear in mind that some groups will claim things like this just to get attention, but still they have to be taken serious for the time being.
There are signs that points toward several different groups but not solemly one group

ETA still remains the top suspect following a preliminary analysis of the explosives, which seem to be an ETA type.

of course fint, just that currently no-one else has claimed it

we just have to wait it out

it would be nice to have a BIT of respect in this thread you know

yeah i'm done posting here now....and since when do i show repect?

from the time you wake up in the morning

Forgive my apparent ignorance, but I was wondering--why would Spain be the target for attacks at all? Shock value, perhaps?

Depends who was behind the attacks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3501364.stm

Well the ETA have an ongoing land claim in Spain and the Spanish were also supporters of the US's war on terrorism. Either way, an attack like this is sickening.

However, it was good to see all the Spanish people who queued up to donate some much needed blood after the bombs went off. Well played those people.

the Spanish have trouble with the separate Basks, also they were supportive of the US war on the terrorist which made them(spain) a foe to some terrorist organization

I read through that article, and apparently the Basques want out...what better time to do it than before election?

However, supposedly the Basques like to give warnings and signs are pointing to an al-Qaida operation, and it certainly is something they were capable of.

It's the 2 1/2 anniversary of 9/11... pretty pathetic, if you ask me, no coincidence. The whole 9/11: 9-1-1 connection with the number play was certainly odd and probably planned out, that was a shock. But 3/11, that's just kinda dumb... I sure hope these guys are caught quickly.

The only thing with 3/11 I can think of is the KKK (3 K's, K being the 11th letter in the alphabet)

Apparently it was Al Qaeda... or so they say they did it.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=2&u=/nm/20040311/ts_nm/security_spain_qaeda_dc

From the article - "There was no way of authenticating the letter"...

It could just be an attempt for attention...they didn't really have clear motives

Yes, but it's still suspicious nonetheless. Like I said, "or so they say they did it." Either way, it's a dispicable act, no matter who caused it.

al qaeda have warned that allys to the US will be targeted, that was on the news two weeks ago

France was warned, yesterday if I'm not mistaken, that an attack in the railroads (sp) might happen. Guess they went for Spain.
Yes, Al-qaeda (sp) has claim the attack. They cant prove that it was them thou. They have also arrested members of ETA.

Even if it wasn't ETA they should keep 'em arrested and locked away so they don't have the oppertunity to do anything.

There are these small things called due process and justice that kinda have to be considered there, JKozzy...

We shouldnt go into ETAs reasons and all that.
This was way to close to home. With EURO 2004 so close its kinda scary.

Yes, yes I know. But if we didn't have to go through all of that, it'd be beneficial.

Errr... not for mankind as a whole, I think we would find!

Again, I know. I just mean in this specific situation.

I think chances are high it is Al-Qaeda bit late with the claim tho

you wanted it per email?

I doubt that the ETA will try anything right now, Koz

nah yerss, I just think they could have claimed it sooner

I too am worried that something may happen during Euro 04; that could put a downer on what is otherwise a great competition.

They took waay longer with the US.

Err, well, anyway, some more recent tests have found that whilst the explosives were ETA style, the detonators appear to not be a type the ETA have used before.

funny, cause they did e-mail it