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I think this would a very close fight.

Okay, first question: 1) Who is Archangel Michael?

Second question: 2) How does his power compare, or even come close, to the Living Tribunal?

Archangel Michael is one of the 2 favourate sons of Yahweh in the DC/Vertigo universe (the other being lucifer).
He is imbued with the demiurgic power (gods power - infinite power, able to create or destroy a multiverse).

He kind of wastes his power, only doing what yahweh told him to do.
He was the leader of the armies of heaven and the angelic host in the war against the rebel angels (led by lucifer), but hesitated, and was injured and captured by sandaphalon, who was planning to breed him with human woman to make a massive powerful army for himself.
However, he travelled to the start of time with lucifer, to prevent fenris from destroying creation at the start of time, and then fenris posessed lucifer and killed michael, although he might of originally been created after the time at which he was killed.
his power was passed on to his half human half angel daughter, elaine

Originally posted by supremthor
I think this would a very close fight.

True Living Tribunal>Archangel Michael

If fullpowered Spectre = LT then Lucifer and Michael own the LT, as they have owned the Spectre in the past.

Supposedly:
Spectre=LT

Michael owned Spectre

So...

Michael>LT (in theory)

Michael.

Originally posted by guy222
True Living Tribunal>Archangel Michael
WHY THE HELL ARE YOU BUMPING ALL THESE THREE YEAR OLD THREADS!?

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
If fullpowered Spectre = LT then Lucifer and Michael own the LT, as they have owned the Spectre in the past.
Full power Spectre was merged with the Presence, Demiurgos defeated a hostless Spectre, which had problems with Captain Marvel

Since the One-Above-All is considered to be the writers/editors and Presence stated clearly that there were external forces, which was his creator.

Marvel - DC
1. One-Above-All = Unknown Forces
2. Presence, Great Evil Beast, Full powered Spectre = Living Tribunal

VERTIGO========NON-CANON TO DC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Marvel - DC
1. One-Above-All = Unknown Forces
2. Presence, Great Evil Beast, Full powered Spectre = Living Tribunal This is wrong on so many levels.

Marvels God IS NOT more powerful then DC's God. It's ignorant to think that.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
VERTIGO========NON-CANON TO DC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So why is Lucifer, Michael and Gabriel in the DC hierarchy's?

Absurd! How the hell is the LT going to be above The Presence in the DCU? Not even the most lunatic Marvel fanboy would even go there.

If ever the LT decides to attack the The Presence he would end up trap in the Promethan wall for all eternity.

-Michael Demiurgos is a principal character in the Lucifer series by DC comics, and is a creation of Mike Carey.

Originally posted by Galan007
This is wrong on so many levels.

Marvels God IS NOT more powerful then DC's God. It's ignorant to think that.
In Vertigo Presence admited that he wasent Supreme, therefore not as powerful as the Supreme being of Marvel.

The question is, is the One-Above-All supose to be the writers?
If so Marvel's writer's should equal DC's writer's.
And the second being (Possibly the most powerful fictional being) should be second.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Absurd! How the hell is the LT going to be above The Presence in the DCU? Not even the most lunatic Marvel fanboy would even go there.

If ever the LT decides to attack the The Presence he would end up trap in the Promethan wall for all eternity.
In Vertigo the Presence confirmed that he wasent supreme.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
In Vertigo Presence admited that he wasent Supreme, therefore not as powerful as the Supreme being of Marvel.

The question is, is the One-Above-All supose to be the writers?
If so Marvel's writer's should equal DC's writer's.
And the second being (Possibly the most powerful fictional being) should be second. That's in VERTIGO. Where Vertigo's God is Yahweh.

In the DCU, the Presence is the Supreme Being.

The Presence=TOAA.

There is no other way to think of it.

Even if he said that (which I doubt and going to do some research) in Vertigo that does green light the idea that LT could even take on The Presence.

This formula is completely wrong:

Presence, Great Evil Beast, Full powered Spectre = Living Tribunal

This formula is MUCH more reasonable:

Presence, Great Evil Beast, Full powered Spectre >>>>>>Living Tribunal

Originally posted by Galan007
That's in VERTIGO. Where Vertigo's God is Yahweh.

In the DCU, the Presence is the Supreme Being.

The Presence=TOAA.

There is no other way to think of it.
So:
Presence = Megaversal
Yahweh = Universal

Presence > Yahweh

Unknown Forces = Presence

Great Evil Beast was also in Vertigo, which makes him universal.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So:
Presence = Megaversal
Yahweh = Universal

Presence > Yahweh

Unknown Forces = Presence

Great Evil Beast was also in Vertigo, which makes him universal. I have no idea what your saying, but...

DC's God=Marvel's God, and Michael IS God's power personified.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Even if he said that (which I doubt and going to do some research) in Vertigo that does green light the idea that LT could even take on The Presence.

This formula is completely wrong:

Presence, Great Evil Beast, Full powered Spectre = Living Tribunal

This formula is MUCH more reasonable:

Presence, Great Evil Beast, Full powered Spectre >>>>>>Living Tribunal
Apearently the Great Evil Beast is the dark side of Yahweh.
And Yawhew did only create a universe, when Lucifer duplicated the creation he made one universe.

So Great Evil Beast who is the evil side of Yawhew is not greater than the Living Tribunal, since he is universal, full power Spectre however, hmm ...

As for your research:
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2790/lucifer75p34py1le8.th.jpg

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
-Michael Demiurgos is a principal character in the Lucifer series by DC comics, and is a creation of Mike Carey.

Originally posted by Galan007
I have no idea what your saying, but...

DC's God=Marvel's God, and Michael IS God's power personified.
You just said:
Presence =/= Yawhew

Presence > Yawhew

Vertigo's "God" isn't Supreme, haven't you read Lucifer 75?
He said that there were forces beyond him, that he could not comperhend.

Therefore Michael is far from as powerful as you think.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666

Yes, but Vertigo's God is not Supreme, that's a fact.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
You just said:
Presence =/= Yawhew

Presence > Yawhew

Vertigo's "God" isn't Supreme, haven't you read Lucifer 75?
He said that there were forces beyond him, that he could not comperhend.

Therefore Michael is far from as powerful as you think. Wake up dude, thats what Im saying.

Michael isn't just a Vertigo character, he is also in the DCU and has the power of the Presence itself.

and the Presence=TOAA

There is not reason to even bring up Vertigo in this argument.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yes, but Vertigo's God is not Supreme, that's a fact.

When did Vertigo's God ever say that He wasn't Supreme? He seems to run every thing to me. The spectre, who is the same in Vertigo and DC, at least in role and power, is still beneath the power of Vertigo's God. Please come off your Theory when there is clear evidence that Vertigo's DC is still superior to the Spectre and there for still Supreme.

The Presence is only equal to a half powered TOAA.

Originally posted by King Kandy
The Presence is only equal to a half powered TOAA.

Where did you come up with that?

Originally posted by Galan007


Where did you come up with that?
Just do the math.

Originally posted by Galan007


Where did you come up with that?

His ass?

Originally posted by Galan007


Where did you come up with that?
Do you accept that the Marvel and DC universes are equal?

Do you except that TOAA represents the power of all that is Marvel?

Do you except that GEB is equal to the presence?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Just do the math.
ranting

Originally posted by King Kandy
ranting

Originally posted by King Kandy
Do you accept that the Marvel and DC universes are equal?

Do you except that TOAA represents the power of all that is Marvel?

Do you except that GEB is equal to the presence? Marvel's God not NOT most powerful then DC's God. That's the bottom line.

Originally posted by Galan007
Marvel's God not NOT most powerful then DC's God. That's the bottom line.
Then DC is twice as powerful as Marvel? Is that your belief?

answer those three questions, not sidestep them.

Originally posted by supremthor
I think this would a very close fight.

Taking into account, that the power Michael possesses come from the actual source, LT loses.

Note: I'm am not saying the the source of Michael's power is greater than the power of the TOAA. That is equal.

The source of Michael's power, the Prescence = TOAA.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Then DC is twice as powerful as Marvel? Is that your belief?

answer those three questions, not sidestep them. Answer what?

I have said nothing except that it's absurd to think one God is greater then another.

DC's God=Marvel's God.

And GEB isn't equal to the Presence. If that were true, the Presence wouldn't have been able to banish GEB, they would have eternally stalemated.

If GEB is infact not as strong as the presence, then Presence matches up a bit better against TOAA.

But as long as There is some energy in DC which is not part of the Presence, then Either DC is stronger, or TOAA is stronger then the Presence.

First of all.. The presence+GEB should be considered DC's god, not one or the other, by the combination they are what they are, a being of absolute power; being the same, they are equal to TOAA, which doesnt mean that the presence cannot match TOAA's strenght, since it continues to be god. You cannot add or divide infinite, you can only "consider" it.

Michael is nowhere near the presence's power, thats an hyperbole. He and the Living Tribunal play the same role, they both do the bidding that the creator gave to them and they have no real discernible personality, in a way, they are just an extension of their respective gods. The specter is not just an extension of the presence, that sets him appart in his own category; but full powered with god, doing the role he is supposed to do, nothing will stop him -excepto god himself.

Originally posted by King Kandy
If GEB is infact not as strong as the presence, then Presence matches up a bit better against TOAA.

But as long as There is some energy in DC which is not part of the Presence, then Either DC is stronger, or TOAA is stronger then the Presence. There has never been any evidence to suggest that one God is more powerful then the other.

Originally posted by Galan007
There has never been any evidence to suggest that one God is more powerful then the other.
First grade arithmatic says otherwise.

Kandy, arithmetic doesnt work with infinites.

Originally posted by King Kandy
First grade arithmatic says otherwise. You mean that nonsensical crap you posted a little bit back about which infinity is greater then the other?

Yeah that really makes no sense. You and Thanos THOTU are the only 2 people I have ever seen that think Marvel's God>DC's God, or vice versa.
Originally posted by Bentley
Kandy, arithmetic doesnt work with infinites. Agreed.

Originally posted by Galan007
You mean that nonsensical crap you posted a little bit back about which infinity is greater then the other?

Yeah that really makes no sense. You and Thanos THOTU are the only 2 people I have ever seen that think Marvel's God>DC's God, or vice versa.
Agreed.

Originally posted by Bentley
Kandy, arithmetic doesnt work with infinites.
ranting

So apparently you'd rather think that 2=1...

Dude, you are arguing if the Saint Spirit could kick Jesus ass, of if they are stronger than a monoteistic Zoroastrian god. A god is a god, divided or not.

Originally posted by King Kandy
ranting

So apparently you'd rather think that 2=1...

Yes, 2 (halves) = 1.



Sorry, Kandy....was too easy. No offense.

Originally posted by Bentley
Dude, you are arguing if the Saint Spirit could kick Jesus ass, of if they are stronger than a monoteistic Zoroastrian god. A god is a god, divided or not.


That is deeply flawed logic, either MArvel and DC are equal and their gods are not, or Marvel and DC are not equal.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Just do the math.

You are certainly behind in your philosophy of religion, when you talk about divinities, you dont operate in the current logic that you use everyday, you operate in one that assumes to begin with, that the omnipotent creator exists. Otherwise you cant even define omnipotent, that alone is deeply paradoxal..

Originally posted by Bentley


Michael is nowhere near the presence's power, thats an hyperbole. He and the Living Tribunal play the same role, they both do the bidding that the creator gave to them and they have no real discernible personality, in a way, they are just an extension of their respective gods. The specter is not just an extension of the presence, that sets him appart in his own category; but full powered with god, doing the role he is supposed to do, nothing will stop him -excepto god himself.

Exactly!

Originally posted by Bentley
You are certainly behind in your philosophy of religion, when you talk about divinities, you dont operate in the current logic that you use everyday, you operate in one that assumes to begin with, that the omnipotent creator exists. Otherwise you cant even define omnipotent, that alone is deeply paradoxal.. And better suited for the religion forum.

Originally posted by Bentley
You are certainly behind in your philosophy of religion, when you talk about divinities, you dont operate in the current logic that you use everyday, you operate in one that assumes to begin with, that the omnipotent creator exists. Otherwise you cant even define omnipotent, that alone is deeply paradoxal..
So Religion is illogical?

Is that an admitance that your argument is, too?

I'll answer that as a philosopher would. You thought religion was logical?

The core of my argument is that in Marvel and DC we know that god exist, hence they work under a different logic -which still keeps Storm losing against Hulk, which is what matters.

I didnt want to hurt any sensibilities -of Storm fans.

The logic is the same.

I don't believe that any of the "Infinites" in comics have been shown to have an actual value of infinity.

If you are truly infinite, then you don't need or want anything, nothing is beyond you. There is nothing you cannot do.

Originally posted by King Kandy
The logic is the same.

I don't believe that any of the "Infinites" in comics have been shown to have an actual value of infinity.

If you are truly infinite, then you don't need or want anything, nothing is beyond you. There is nothing you cannot do.

Plenty of beings have infinite power or power sources. There can be more than one Infinite being as Infinite means just that. Without limit. There how ever can only be one Omnipotent and Infinite being. That being God. Each Universe can have people who are infinitely powerful and thus equal to each other. As is the case with GEB and Yeweh. But Only Yeweh is Also omnipotent.

Its hard to represent infinite on panel. Logic still works the same, you just use different basis to build your knowledge and hence, not the same results will actually be true.

Yep, if you are infinite you dont need anything (in a regard). So?

Originally posted by Galan007
Answer what?

I have said nothing except that it's absurd to think one God is greater then another.

DC's God=Marvel's God.

And GEB isn't equal to the Presence. If that were true, the Presence wouldn't have been able to banish GEB, they would have eternally stalemated.
Yawhew needed the swamp thing to defeat the Beast.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yawhew needed the swamp thing to defeat the Beast.

The Swamp THing Belongs to the Presence as does everything. So The presence actually needed his own creation. IRgo he needed no one.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Plenty of beings have infinite power or power sources. There can be more than one Infinite being as Infinite means just that. Without limit. There how ever can only be one Omnipotent and Infinite being. That being God. Each Universe can have people who are infinitely powerful and thus equal to each other. As is the case with GEB and Yeweh. But Only Yeweh is Also omnipotent.
But, I mean, People thought the IG was infinite, but LT was stronger, so it can't be infinite.

Then people thought LT was infinite, until he got beat by THOTU, so he can't be infinite either.

The Brothers were considered infinite, but were retconned.

The Beyonder was said to be infinite, but he had wants, needs, ect.

The cosmic cube was thought to be infinite, in fact it was even called such, but that turned out false.

Even Yahweh wanted to merge with Lucifer (A Want).


Most things said to be infinite actualy aren't.

Living Tribunal has done far more than Archangel Micheal


Archangel Micheal's destruction lead to a blast which could create/destroy a universe, possibly a multiverse...



o0o0o0o0o0o how great !


Living Tribunal is the judge of Marvel's collection of Multiverses and second only to TOAA

Spectre's greatest feat was connecting himself to the entirety of a multiverse....wowzers !


LT is more powerful than one single multiverse.....

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You need to learn how to read. He said HE WAS SHAPED. IRGO int he past tense. Not currently being shaped, not in anyone's control. Learn to read comics.



He had a beginning...thus he is not truly infinite.


Secondly, the fact that any force even shaped him other than himself, shows he is NOT SUPREME



Learn how to read...period.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Living Tribunal has done far more than Archangel Micheal


Archangel Micheal's destruction lead to a blast which could create/destroy a universe, possibly a multiverse...



o0o0o0o0o0o how great !


Living Tribunal is the judge of Marvel's collection of Multiverses and second only to TOAA

Spectre's greatest feat was connecting himself to the entirety of a multiverse....wowzers !


LT is more powerful than one single multiverse.....

Where on Earth did you get the Idea that DC is only one multiverse?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
He had a beginning...thus he is not truly infinite.


Secondly, the fact that any force even shaped him other than himself, shows he is NOT SUPREME



Learn how to read...period.

Um no just not. He IS supreme. There is nothing WAS in the PAST tense, shaped by External Forces. Which can mean pretty much anything. It doesn't say he was created by external forces. Hell Lucifer SHaped a universe. He didnt' create it. So where did you get the idea that he has a beginning when he doesn't say he was created by only shaped by? Learn to read. it's good for you. The Beyonder could have in fact given all of his power to Rasheal summers. All of it. She would then be supreme and supreme. What ever External Forces Shaped Him gave him the authority to be Supreme and they have none as in he WAS repeat WAS shaped.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Where on Earth did you get the Idea that DC is only one multiverse?



Learn how to read damnit...

I was comparing LT to Spectre in my last post...Spectre fused with the Multiverse...so what ?

Originally posted by King Kandy
But, I mean, People thought the IG was infinite, but LT was stronger, so it can't be infinite.

Then people thought LT was infinite, until he got beat by THOTU, so he can't be infinite either.

The Brothers were considered infinite, but were retconned.

The Beyonder was said to be infinite, but he had wants, needs, ect.

The cosmic cube was thought to be infinite, in fact it was even called such, but that turned out false.

Even Yahweh wanted to merge with Lucifer (A Want).


Most things said to be infinite actualy aren't.
Different level's of infinity.

Living Tribunal said that the Beyonders had infinite power.
And they are incomplete Cosmic Cube's, and the Celestial's are more powerful then the Cosmic Cube ect.

The Brothers were considered SUPREME, but got retconned, because DC and Marvel didn't like the consept of have their God's in physical form.

The Beyonder was stated to be, nigh-omnipotent.
The Beyonder was millions of times more powerful than anything else in the Multiverse combinded, now why isnt it infinite times?
Because he wasent Supreme.

No a Cosmic Cube is infinite in a way, for example, if we would give Silver Surfer a power level, let's say 10.
The cosmic cubes would be infinite, because they're so great that they cannot be comperhended with numbers.

Yawhew confirmed that he wasent Supreme.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Where on Earth did you get the Idea that DC is only one multiverse?
Because it was never stated to be anything other then a single universe/multiverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You need to learn how to read. He said HE WAS SHAPED. IRGO int he past tense. Not currently being shaped, not in anyone's control. Learn to read comics. He IS omnipotent and Supreme.
God to Lucifer But I was shaped by forces external to me.

You look up external.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Learn how to read damnit...

I was comparing LT to Spectre in my last post...Spectre fused with the Multiverse...so what ?

Actually SPectre Fused with the Presence's creation. There is more than ONe multiverse in the Presence creation.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Where on Earth did you get the Idea that DC is only one multiverse?
Let's put it this way, when did you get the idea it was larger?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Because it was never stated to be anything other then a single universe/multiverse.

It was stated to be the Presence Creation. The Creation is more than a single multiverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um no just not. He IS supreme. There is nothing SHaping him. He is beyond any power as he IS supreme.



"True I am Infinite and Eternal. But even I was shaped by Forces External to Me"


-Yahweh


God bro, you are a fanboy and a half !

If anything shaped him, other than himself, than he is not supreme. Get over it


God and Satan from Spawn are ALSO Infinite and Eternal, but they are NOT Supreme...learn the DIFFERENCES.......





Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It only says he was shaped by External Forces.



Which means he is not Supreme.



Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Which can mean pretty much anything. It doesn't say he was created by external forces. Hell Lucifer SHaped a universe.


Lucifer shaping a Universe means he had power over that universe....which he clearly did.


If Yahweh was shaped by anything, that means those external forces had power over him.....







Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He didnt' create it. So where did you get the idea that he has a beginning when he doesn't say he was created by only shaped by? Learn to read. it's good for you.




If he was shaped by External Forces, then he had a beginning.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Let's put it this way, when did you get the idea it was larger?

When I read DC comics and I know that ON panel there are at least 5 multiverse under the DC umbrella. Maybe more. Or havent' you read Justice Society this month? THe kingdome is alive and well.

Well, my argument is: How do you show in panel that you are infinite and omnipotent? For this threads we assume omnipotence, if we say that the presence may NOT be the god of DC, then we are speaking of something else, but assuming he is, the thread is going as it should.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
"True I am Infinite and Eternal. But even I was shaped by Forces External to Me"


-Yahweh


God bro, you are a fanboy and a half !

If anything shaped him, other than himself, than he is not supreme. Get over it


God and Satan from Spawn are ALSO Infinite and Eternal, but they are NOT Supreme...learn the DIFFERENCES.......









Which means he is not Supreme.






Lucifer shaping a Universe means he had power over that universe....which he clearly did.


If Yahweh was shaped by anything, that means those external forces had power over him.....












If he was shaped by External Forces, then he had a beginning.

You are extrapolating what you wish from the statement. being shaped by something is not the same as being created by something. Thus your entire argument is invalid. And since He WAS shaped by something and is no longer being shaped by external forces, then he is Omnipotent and Supreme. Your argument is weak and invalidated.

Maybe... Just maybe, god knows that he was written by people, and thats what we are supposed to deduct by that statement, that would make him not less powerful but MORE, because he is aware of the real world.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen



LT is more powerful than one single multiverse.....

Then he is practically Not bound by third-dimensional laws meaning he is in the same level as Mister Mxyzptlk and Bat-Mite.

Proving he is no more powerful than The Spectre or Michael.

Well done! you prove my theory that LT is all powerful in the Cosmic sense. In a Divine sense of the word he isn't all powerful thus Michael who can yield divine powers can defeat him in battle.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Then he is practically Not bound by third-dimensional laws meaning he is in the same level as Mister Mxyzptlk and Bat-Mite.

Proving he is no more powerful than The Spectre or Michael.

Well done! you prove my theory that LT is all powerful in the Cosmic sense. In a Divine sense of the word he isn't all powerful.

Mr. Mxy has shown on panel to be far Superior to the LT. Wiping away the entire DC omniverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Mr. Mxy has shown on panel to be far Superior to the LT. Wiping away the entire DC omniverse.

Yep!

Originally posted by Bentley
Well, my argument is: How do you show in panel that you are infinite and omnipotent? For this threads we assume omnipotence, if we say that the presence may NOT be the god of DC, then we are speaking of something else, but assuming he is, the thread is going as it should.
In fiction, rather in comic's, they have made beings (few) above infinity, this has been stated on panel - And also that they are omnipotent.

They can do anything (within the universe, multiverse or megaverse - Depending on their power) as long as the more powerful beings allow it.

The Universe equal's Eternity's power.

A Celestial is infinite and omnipotent, yet they are nothing to Eternity.
So we should level these infinities.

Beyonders - Infinity 1
Celestial's - Infinity 5-1,000
Galactus - 10 (Human form) - Infinity Infinity 1
Eternity - Infinity Infinity 1

ect.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Mr. Mxy has shown on panel to be far Superior to the LT. Wiping away the entire DC omniverse.
Non canon is not on panel.

Marvel is a Multi-verse, but it's also considered a Mega-verse.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Non canon is not on panel.

Marvel is a Multi-verse, but it's also considered a Mega-verse.

Um no. Your wrong. it's cannon. Irgo the kingdome AND infinite Crisis both give proof that EVERY else worlds tale is a universe and thus cannon. And since there is only ONE mxy and ONE batmite, WOrld's funnest is cannon unto the one MXy. SImiliar to how there is only one LT so every What if is cannon unto him. Thanks. I know what i"m talking about.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um no. Your wrong. it's cannon. Irgo the kingdome AND infinite Crisis both give proof that EVERY else worlds tale is a universe and thus cannon. And since there is only ONE mxy and ONE batmite, WOrld's funnest is cannon unto the one MXy. SImiliar to how there is only one LT so every What if is cannon unto him. Thanks. I know what i"m talking about.
Mxyztplk didn't do much more than the Ultimate Nullifier did.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Mxyztplk didn't do much more than the Ultimate Nullifier did.
Oh yes he did od much much more. He literally wiped the pages clean and started everything over from scratch. The UN only fixed what was broken. He also destoryed Several Multiverses and reached out of comics and destroyed the DCU animated multiverse as well.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Oh yes he did. He literally wiped the pages clean and started everything over from scratch. The UN only fixed what was broken.
No the Ultimate Nullifier destroyed the Multi-verse.
And Abraxas also killed Richard's in alternate timelines, and we know that he does not compare to the Gauntlet.

Look closely, that's the Multi-Eternity.
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8356/2undestroysmultieternitrd1.jpg

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
No the Ultimate Nullifier destroyed the Multi-verse.
And Abraxas also killed Richard's in alternate timelines, and we know that he does not compare to the Gauntlet.

Look closely, that's the Multi-Eternity.
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8356/2undestroysmultieternitrd1.jpg

Who doesnt' compare to the Guantlet? Batmite is a match for the guantlet. Mxy far exceeds the guantlet. I'm not even convinced the guantlet is superior to the UN since the situations by which the UN was used were different. And please dont' try to say the UN is equal to mxy since the UN is below THe LT and Obviously the LT couldn't fix what Abraxas had done.

Now why would the Living Tribunal want to fix what Abraxas have done?
- An other question would be, why didn't Presence fix what Mxyztplk did?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Now why would the Living Tribunal want to fix what Abraxas have done?
- An other question would be, why didn't Presence fix what Mxyztplk did?

Becuz Mxy is one of the presence creations. He knows mxy inside and out. He knew mxy would put it back. and he did. The LT knows not the intentions of abraxas. how come the LT was owned by the UN in another universe. But the LT is superior to the IG? but not the UN. especially if the UN is<<<the IG. Which it really isn't. that is some BS. UN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IG is more like it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Who doesnt' compare to the Guantlet? Batmite is a match for the guantlet. Mxy far exceeds the guantlet. I'm not even convinced the guantlet is superior to the UN since the situations by which the UN was used were different. And please dont' try to say the UN is equal to mxy since the UN is below THe LT and Obviously the LT couldn't fix what Abraxas had done.
That was regular Eternity, Multi-Eternity is infinitly more potent.

The Living Tribunal is 16 dimensional, Mxy is only 5 dimensional. Even the Ultimator is only Ten Dimensional.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Becuz Mxy is one of the presence creations. He knows mxy inside and out. He knew mxy would put it back. and he did. The LT knows not the intentions of abraxas. how come the LT was owned by the UN in another universe. But the LT is superior to the IG? but not the UN. especially if the UN is<<<the IG. Which it really isn't. that is some BS. UN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IG is more like it.
The Living Tribunal is an abstract, and is not effected by any damage.

Originally posted by King Kandy
That was regular Eternity, Multi-Eternity is infinitly more potent.

The Living Tribunal is 16 dimensional, Mxy is only 5 dimensional. Even the Ultimator is only Ten Dimensional.

That has nothing to do with anything at all. Please. What matters is the power that is displayed. For all I know marvels dimensions are as big as a card board box.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That has nothing to do with anything at all. Please. What matters is the power that is displayed. For all I know marvels dimensions are as big as a card board box.
If that's true, then Beyonder being INFINITLY DIMENSIONAL wouldn't make him so potent.

Originally posted by King Kandy
That was regular Eternity, Multi-Eternity is infinitly more potent.
No, that was Multi-Eternity, look at his red sun on his chest.


You got it wrong, the Living Tribunal is not an imp, anyhow he have manifastations everywhere.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That has nothing to do with anything at all. Please. What matters is the power that is displayed. For all I know marvels dimensions are as big as a card board box.
Asgard, Mephisto's realm, Dormmamu's realm, Dark Dimension ect.
Actually each dimension is infinite, you can go outside the Fort of Asgard and still be in that dimension.

Take down the picture post, it's ruining the thread.

No, I'm saying it's ordinary Eternity that got beat by the IG. I know the UN destroyed Multi-Eternity.

And that's not a red sun, that's the UN's eraser blast.