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America seems to breed arogant christians. I saw one of these bible bashers condeming homo-sexuality on TV, and it made me crindge. Is the church making children Homo-phobic?
How do these "Christians" know there is a "Hell"? Have any of them ever been there? I want proof. Second, and MORE importantly, even IF there IS a "HELL", what gives these "Christians" the right to tell me if I want to go there or not! I never ASKED them for their opinion on my lifestyle. I never went to them and said "Please tell me all about what a bad person I am and what happens to bad people.". You know what? I can read. If I wanted to know all about Christianity I woud read the Bible. I DON'T, and I HAVEN'T. Get the point? Oh, I see, so it's part of their "DUTY" as "GOOD" Christians to spread the "HOLY" gospel to us "PATHETIC" and "WAYWARD" non-believers. They want to "SAVE" us from ourselves and help us be "born-again" into their "ALMIGHTY GOD's" grace. Well, guess what 'YOU' Pathetic Christians, there's a solid basis on the old saying "I wasn't Born yesterday". Even the term "born again" reveals it's truth in the end. When we are born, we can not EXPRESS ourselves, we can not DEFEND ourselves, we can not tell Right from Wrong, and we are DEPENDANT on others just to Survive.

Organized religion IS a Sham and a Crutch for Weak-Minded people! I like to think that I am a STRONG enough person to THINK and EXPRESS my beleifs on my OWN. I have this thing called a CONCIOUS that tells me when what I am doing is wrong or right. I have these things called peronal STANDARDS that guide me from hurting others and and make me a GOOD person. I do NOT need someone else guiding my actions and condemning my mistakes, I can do that myself. I am STRONG enough to make my own decisions.

Those who have to be in a group that is constantly reminding them what is right and what is wrong, and having to be threatened and condemned to make the right decisions ARE truely WEAK individuals; OR are they even individuals? Individuals can think for themsevles, individuals can choose their own direction, individuals can make their own decisions.

Dude they are just stating their opinion and that is their perfect right.
And you only got your opinions from the environment too, what about people telling about the Big Bang the Fhristians could (and do) exactly the same and we tell them that that is not good.

Then don't become one. Is that simple....live your life and let other live theirs. I come from a family mixture of Hebrew and Roman Catholics and I chose my own path. I chose my spirituality and sought to find answers in Philosophy. So far, I can't complain is good to find your own spirituality out of any religious circle.

First of all, calm the religion bashing.

Not all Christians are so radical in their view of Homo-sexuality. I personally think it is wrong for a Christian, but I have no real issues with how other people live their lives.

Well by definition in the Bible, Hell is as bad as it can get. So they can tell you that "you don't want to go to Hell", because to them, it is as bad as it gets.

I never asked for your opinion about my religion

The reasons Christians evangilise to even the most radical atheists is because they havn't read any of the bible.

Says who?

I really don't see how this works.

I have a conscience...

And that is blatant stereotyping.

And those who gain fun by spending their time writing long, extremly offensive rants about others are obviously strong

So your decisions have nothing to do with how you were raised?

Fribble - This is one fo your first posts on KMC, yet you decide to write something extremly offensive and stereotypical.

I have a concious > I have a conscience
I like that one that was funny

Fribble - This is one fo your first posts on KMC, yet you decide to write something extremly offensive and stereotypical.

you are a good observer Frodo

Anyway bashing Christians for no reason sure is fun but I can't agree at all with what you are saying, I am sorry. (Not really don't worry)

Get used to it.
These are not my views, I copied them of a website, but I love to see religious people's blood boil. I cannot post links because I might be posting spam.

Rather copy them from a website, try linking to it with

sure we will we could need another anti christian talker here but don't copy really stupid websites ok?

Do you think I could care less? Also, I am not staying here for good, as I hate religious people. They read into the bible WAY TOO MUCH. Where does it say "Homosexuals are bad"?

I'm a strong enough person to ignore these bible toting hypocrites when it comes to their constant harassment of non Christians, particularly atheists and homosexuals.

But of course they have every right to state their opinions, no matter how vulgar or prejudiced.

What bothers me most is that these very people, through use of government are trying (and given the last election) succeeding in removing the rights of people they feel are unholy and unclean.

I just wish more Christians would research the history of how the bible was compiled and the early history of the church before they blindly go along with its teachings.

I believe that Jesus was an extremely good person who's kindness and love of everyone was easily exploited, molested and corrupted by the church in the very first centuries.

The DaVinci Code has done wonders to bring this knowledge to the forefront. The church has kept this secret for years.
It is now believed that Jesus treated women equally as men, had sex, and a child and that he was against the formation of "the church".

I love you!

Lev. 20 13 there it days that homosexuality is bad
But still we are not all religious here we just like to tlak aboot it and state our opinions maybe argue a little.

I respect that Bardock. An atheist who will use the verses of the bible in an argument.

Atheist: "The bible is contradictory"
Me: "Give me an example"
Atheist" ..."

Atheist: "Prove God, Heaven, or Hell exist..."
You: "..."

I don't see those as reasons not to be a Christian. You don't like how some Christians act so you base your religious views on that? I don't want to be a Christian because I don't believe in God.. but I'll respect people who do. And some Atheists are just as quick to preach that there is no God as the extreme Christians are willing to preach that you need to find Jesus.

My friend, first you must understand the difference in between a church goer and a christian. To be a true christian you would not hate anyone for who they are, you may see them as a sinner but, you would also then see yourself as one, as we all are, and on the question KNOWING whether there is a God or a Hell, well there is something called faith, in the same respect that you know the air is there when the wind blows, although you cannot see smell taste or hear it, you know God is there when you have those times in your life where it is not worth going on and yet you lift your head and march toward the darkness, knowing that there will be light in the end.

See, we all have our faults, like it says in the bible.

And to that question I would answer that it is a matter of faith.

and on the subject of homosexuality, alot is unseen by todays world who associate sex with pleasure the way most associate christmas with santa and presents. The meaning of christmas is to celebrate the birth of christ, the meaning of sex is procreation. It is made to feel good because thousands of years ago no one wouldve known how to make a baby and therefore if it hadnt felt good noone ever wouldve done it, end result--no human race. So the problem w/ homosexuality is that there is no productive result of the act. Just b/c hetero couple abuse the original reason to have sex doesent mean we should all forget what the original intention of the act was!

The exact same faith that has small children believing in the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus...

oh wait....God's suppose to be real...

But you Chtristians should be happy that Homosexuels can't reproduce in the end they will give a gay gene to the next generation.
That was sarcasm by the way.
However I am not quoting the Bible to support my arguement I just wanted to tell fribble where it says that Homosexuality is bad. But what I never really got is that some parts of the Old Testament seem to be accepted by christians and some not. Can someone explain that?

Are you Iimplying that Santa is as unreal as God. I hate you. Buhuuuuu

the same reason that most christian religions follow a bible that says right on the front KING JAMES VERSION, now this is something that always confused me, living your life by something that obviously is not the tru version of something. I mean it might as well say THE BIBLE: AS SOMEONE ELSE WANTED YOU TO HEAR IT, WITH THE PARTS HE DIDNT LIKE CUT OUT

Santa's as real as God, my friend......if by santa you mean St. Nickalus, the catholic saint he was based on

i dont mind 'christians' i just cant stand the people that wont shut up about 'god'

i dont even know if i belive ingod or not, i certainly dont belive in hell though

Gay sex feels just as good as straight sex, and lets not forget that reason would dictate that there have been homosexuals throughout human evolution.

Typical Christian response.

All you had to say is "yes, it's the exact same faith that had me wrongly believing in figures that were created in my mind"

Just like God.

and thats just a typical non beliver response to get all angry at something as simple as the way someone says something, by the way Bardock and i have a long going convo and like three diff. boards and that message was mainly to him so sorry if i offended u tex. And on the other note, ill have to take your word for it that homo sex is just as good, but it's obvious to anyone that the anus serves its own purpose, the vagina also, except for they have to do with in and out.....never both, sorry for the crudeness.................oh and by the way there has been gay sex throughout evolution, documented as far back as documentation goes

I doubt it woul to me at least...

yeah and its outcome is synonyms with religion

and linkalicious, perhaps its that void you feel inside that causes you to be so close minded and hateful, i bet your like half those kids that were mascera and fishnets on their arms and do it only because there friends are, a follower of values, not one with their own values. What was it that made you hate god, a cd that was on sale at the store? or some website that showed you the TRUTH. Im simply stating my own beliefs and would appreciate if youd accept and respect them the way every one else on this board is. Im not telling you your going to hell b/c you dont belive so why be a jerk to what i say

so whats the reasons chrisitans are close minded

I knew there was something, I should have chosen the easter bunny but of course you are right I shouldn't bash god just cause I don't belivve in him.

Anyway I have a question if Gay people belive in God and Jesus for that matter are they allowed in heaven?

jesus was gay

I hope you don't mean this in a derrogatory schoolground way.

Do you have proof?

So in other words you make comments so that you can get attention rather than to have an argument. Interesting stuff...

I wasn't angry when I asked you if your faith in God was the exact same faith that had you believing in the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, or Santa Claus....I was asking you a serious question...and the best you could come up with was some twisted little answer when you know damn well that I meant the fat jolly guy that goes down chimney's...

I'm not a kid. I'm 22 years old, and judging by the ignorace you just spewed onto the screen I'm going to go ahead and say that you're the one who is a follower of values who claims to know the TRUTH from some bullsh!t book that trys to tell you what's right or wrong.

I do NOT have to accept your religion or your faulty beliefs but I will respect them because THAT is the courteous thing to do. All i'm doing is questioning why you believe what you believe and then you turned into a jerk who threw me into some bullsh!t stereotype because I'm the one out of the two of us who is actually free thinking.

Lets not even get started on the clothes I wear....My wrist watch costs more than every article of clothing you own combined. Now run along and spread your stereotypical, pedjudicing ignorance somewhere else

forgive me my sarcasm sometimes comes across as meaness, hard to convey correctly through type

now I also am 22 yrs old, and what i was saying about the clothing has nothing do to with cost, more so with "I'm wearing what hes wearing cause i think he's cool, and now I belive in what he belives in b/c he thinks it's cool" type a thing, and i belive alot of atheists/agnostics etc. belive what they do b/c their friends do, while it is the same with some christians, i dont think to the same extent b/c not alot of ppl put being christian into the cool category

do you have proof that he wasnt

and I apologize if I offeded u it was not my intention but id hate to see what would happen if i said something really mean, cause you jump reallllll quick lol <---that was the sarcasm.


P.s. I wear a 3500$Movado.......U?

Rolex...$15000

It was a gift.

Thread is too heated. Closing.