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The Inkeeper
Why are forums moving, why is the tarnatino films forum all hidden, as with X-men, things are moving and confusing me and whats the need in it? I dont see any reasoning behind it confused

dave123
Raz is tinkering about with the front page.... there are other threads in this forum for feedback, I think smile

Clovie
it is unfair cry

(and i gonna kill first person who says 'life is not fair')

The Inkeeper
Other threads? Oh well, i prefer the dramatic cluttering and new thread making.

So, anybody know the reason behind this?

dave123
some threads are lame, and deserved to be moved away

some threads kick ass, and should be more publicly available smile

Clovie
threads? not forums? confused

pr1983
well x-men is a kick ass forum with kick ass threads... and it still got moved...

The Inkeeper
He meant forums happy

dave123
zorro I'm entitled to one mistake per lifetime

The Inkeeper
Course you are smile


That was it, make another and face the terrible consequences mad

Clovie
you are confusing me mister dave. nahuh stop it stick out tongue

dave123
I bamboozle everyone happy

pr1983
except me seemingly...

dave123
A polygon has 10 sides. The lengths of the sides, starting with the smallest, form an arithmetic series. The parameter of the polygon is 675cm and the length of the longest side is twice that of the shortest side. Find the common difference, and the first term.

Be bamboozled dammit mad

pr1983
a and d to find
we know
n=10
sum=675
term(10) = a+(n-1)d = a+9d
this is twice a, so 2a=a+9d =>a=9d (1)

sum 675=(n/2)(2a+(n-1)d) =5(2a+9d) =10a+45d
=>135=2a+9d => 2a=135-9d (2)

put (1) in (2) and get 18d=135-9d
=> d=5
put this into (1) to get a = 45

*cough*

dave123
a number has 4008 digits, and is divisible by 7
the first 2003 are 2
then comes "n"
the next 2004 digits are 8
what value/values could n take?

Storm
offtopic

dave123
Storm's been bamboozled! zorro

pr1983
i'm working on it... i'll be a while though...

dave123
*slaps hand* mad no calculators stick out tongue

Clovie
cry translate it into polish i wanna count

dave123
basically, a number is 4008 digits long, and it can be divided by 7.

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what is n?

Clovie
why 4? and not 8? blink

dave123
because clovie, i'm an idiot big grin

Clovie
okay confused

i do't know... yet... *is thinking*

dave123
it's not the kind of maths you're really taught in school...

Clovie
i used to know how to do it.. but i can't remind myself cry dunce


can't it be devidable by 3? confused

Clovie
n= 2

messed

dave123
laughing out loud but then all you'd have to do is 2003x2 + 2004x8 + n, and work out which values give a number that adds up 3 stick out tongue

Clovie
i know smart

dave123
anyway, lets see what pr gets....

Clovie
schmoll

anyway it is offtopic...

*makes petition: "save xmen"*

dave123
laughing out loud i don't know if you're right or not....

but if n=2, n must also = 9 yes

Clovie
cry so i'm lost... *feels very very stupid*

The Inkeeper
*signs petition*

dave123
I didn't get it either happy

Clovie
thank you happy


blink so why are you making me suffer? crying

dave123
there is an answer... I just want someone to work it out for me embarrasment

Clovie
and you don't even know an answer? cry nahuh



but it is making me feel better laughing

dave123
my maths test doesn't cover that zorro

but that question did come up in some "maths challenge" thing, which i got a bronze in, and a best in school happy

Clovie
wow, respect notworthy

i never won anything in maths competition..
but i got to all country finals in one english competition eek! when i was ablut 14.. and then i stoped learning it bag

dave123
bronze isn't as good as it sounds... it means I came in the top 20-40% of the people smile

Clovie
but still it sounds great yes

Tex
Cinemaddiction. laughing out loud

Clovie
may i kill that guy? cry



it is your fault texy... if you didn't leave it wouldn't happen cry

Cinemaddiction
I had nothin' to do with the moves, it's disorganized, and I dislike it as well.

Clovie
okay *decides not to kill you*


sign petition *gives*

Cinemaddiction
X-Men is in the main index for Comic Book forums? Was it not there before?

Clovie
it was on the main page.

Raz
Comic books was consolidated into one section, so that when a person enters this page, all the comic book forums are available in one place. The point of the changes was to allow easier access to people who stick to comics only.

Tarantino was moved for its inactivity, and for its lack of foreseeable success.

Religion was moved to a relatively obscure location, as its one forum I do not want to be popular.

dave123
*goes off advertising the Religion forum* happy

Fire
sneaky devil stick out tongue

Clovie
religion is still accesable from GDF messed

Storm
schmoll

The Inkeeper
I would like it to be popular, im going to post there, Religion forum has been done wrong!

The lord isnt happy with you raz

Storm
And not only the lord schmoll

yerssot
Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.


(Ezekiel something something or just see Pulp Fiction)

The Inkeeper
I suggest Pulp Fiction.

Maybe mr 9mm here is the sheperd eek!

Silver Stardust
I'm with Storm on this one -- schmoll I disagree with this move quite a bit.

As I disagree very much with the plan to bump the Matrix down to a subforum.

Cinemaddiction
With something as taboo as religion, considering it really has no place on a forum like this, outsiders opinions really don't get taken into consideration and I don't blame him for choosing to drop it. I'm all about makin' your voice heard, but it's not going to make a difference. erm

As for "The Matrix" forums, they are dying a slow death in my observations. About 10 active threads in the past 10 days, 3 of which are having to do with DVDs and Video Games. It's teetering on "Tarantino" territory, and that place is a barren wasteland.

I'm not opposed to it staying or going, really.

Tptmanno1
But Matrix IS a "franchise" It wouldn't make sence anywhere else, and it is a major movie...

Cinemaddiction
Was, actually. Franchise is over, and with its support fleeting, they'll experience a gradual decline.

Tex
If anything I think the religion forum is more prevalent in its current location. laughing out loud

Its on the main page, as opposed to the gdf's philosophy subforum.

Now only 1 click away as opposed to 2!

angel whipdevil MWHAHAHAAHA

Silver Stardust
You could say the same about LOTR...after all, what's still really active in that forum, anyway? The Tig Party? That's about it, really....

Cinemaddiction
I see your point, I *guess* it boils down to support. LOTR is so vast, and while "The Matrix" rivals it, it relies on limited expanded materials, i.e. Animatrix, video games, all of which are pretty limited now that the series is defunct. Neither are like "Star Wars", which has UNLIMITED potential. I'm not a frequent poster under either banner, so I don't know the real traffic it's boasting.

Remembering the less than warm reception to the last two "Matrix" films would predicate the future of its forums, if it were my forums to govern, and the decision to drop one came about.

Eventually, LOTR will be dropped for something as well.

Fire
Does it really matter? the mainpage looks good as it is. I see no reason to start moving about even more just because some fora are a tad less active then other fora. I mean this would mean we would have to do atleast a bit of movin' every year. and I seriously don't see the need for it.

Fire
Why don't we let Raz explain this Cine

Cinemaddiction
He already has, I was trying to get across that it's ultimately not up to us, and what we say probably won't matter, which I understand and accept.

Fire
Well take it from me most members here don't like to be called outsiders. and everyone knows it is not up to them I don't think they need you to explain it

Cinemaddiction
If they did, I don't see why they continue to disagree? "Outsiders", in essence, meaning the opinions of people outside adminstrative decisions. Sorry that was taken out of context.

Storm
Because we have the right to give our views. And at times, the opinion of us 'outsiders' are taken into consideration.

WindDancer
I don't know about X-men, but I kinda like the QT forum as a subforum. Basically there are more POTC and Harry Porter fans than QT fans (like me) so there really is no need to have the QT forum very open. With the upcoming Kung fu flick and Inglorious Bastards the QT forum might pick up. But I doubt it will be as popular as the next Harry Porter movie or POTC 2.

Fire
True WD

The Inkeeper
Really not happy. Matrix as a subforum? What the f**k?

Im glad this isnt Cins site fear

lil bitchiness
People ''outside administrive decisions'' are basically members. And they are rather important.

Not to speak for Raz or anything, but all Raz does (the forum making and moving and such) he does in order for the members to feel happy. As Storm already mentioned, the opinions of those 'outsiders' as you called them, are rather important.

Tex
...and he's been doing quite well in those regards seeing as KMC's population went from 10 active members to well over one hundred.

Fire
True, too bad we lost some good ones along the way.. Mah, Lance, Tomaco and so on....

WindDancer
As long as you're here Fire we should be fine. wink

Fire
aaah well I doubt it WD smile

WindDancer
Never doubt the immortal words of WD! stick out tongue

dave123
who would you call an outsider? confused Am I an outsider because I'm not a mod... does that make my opinion any less valid than your own?

Or is my opinion worth more than that of a "noob" with only 30 posts?

are we talking experience, post count, intelligence, modliness, what? stick out tongue

The Inkeeper
All peoples opinions have the same value, whether a mods, a new members, a senior member, whoever.

dave123
'cept Razzles decision is final zorro

lil bitchiness
I think the whole of what is a 'moderator' has been taken out of context by many.

Being a mod doesnt mean your opinions are more valid than others, being a moderator is not practicing the power over other posters or anything similar.
Its simply a group of people Raz selected to help him do the job hes been doing very well for the past 5 years.

I dont feel bigger or better than any other member on here, because thats all i am - a member. Im only here temporary to help out Raz as long as i am capable of doing so to attract more people to this place.

We are just as members as anyone else. We just got Raz's trust and are here to help him run this place smoothly, for all other members and new members to come, not for few of us who are moderators.

Thus, everyone's opinion is of equal value - thinking differently is foolish.

The Inkeeper
yes, but it should be influenced by the opinions of 'outsiders'



outsiders laughing roll eyes (sarcastic)

Storm
Basically, the term 'outsiders' is offending to us members.

Silver Stardust
Yay Milla happy for posting that.

Keep in mind that Raz HAS taken many member suggestions and actually done something with them...why do you think there's all the different forums here? Members suggested them. I was part of the group that was asking for an artwork forum and an anime forum. So apparently Raz does listen to what members have to say.

Silver Stardust
I agree. It makes it sound like we don't matter.

dave123
cry *is deeply offended* sad

The Inkeeper
I have no problem with Raz, its ironic, he has the most power yet is one of the most down to earth mods here.

I dont have a problem with any mod, but i dont like being called an outsider, as though i dont matter to this place. I myself might not, but members as a whole do, and are essentially the most important element of this site.

dave123
I don't really care happy I guess he could have used a better term, though erm

and Raz chooses good mods that don't really go about, leaving a trail of closed threads and banned members in their path happy

lil bitchiness
whip Imma all whip you to place now!! Grrr!



But ok, seriously, you all know you matter as much as moderators. In fact, no, you members matter more than us moderators - because without you, there would be no need for us.

The Inkeeper
happy
Flatter me more stick out tongue

yerssot
"To Max Power the next letter is as important as the previous one...no... more important. ... ... no...as important"

Silver Stardust
Trust yerss to come in with a Simpsons quote laughing

Tex
hug

*Whilst hugging pickpockets millas counterfeit Criminal Damage trousers!*

*b!tch pose* winkiss

Raz
People, lets not blow this out of proportion. CA did not mean to offend anyone.

Let me just state that I do take into account what members have to say. The suggestion thread itself should make this pretty obvious.

dave123
however, all statistics obtained via the OTF will become void yes

Cinemaddiction
Apparently not the religion forums, because it's always been a personal decision! I'm not trying to be hurtful, but instances like this, members opinions aren't usually going to be strong enough to sway an adminstrators personal convictions.



This is really disturbing me. Exactly WHAT is that you people have against me? This is the SECOND instances, and I've also got reports of people talking behind my back. If you're taking issue to how I am conducting myself, let me know, otherwise, how do you expect me to be more efficient?



I'll say it again, including the Religion forums? He stated precisely why they were moved. Granted, member feedback created the forum, which looks to have always been troubled, otherwise it wouldn't be DE-moted, which I'll assume was strictly Raz's decision, given the people who disagree with it.

I realize feedback is important, but certain issues aren't going to include their input, if they realize it, it's pointless to argue.



Drop the whole "outsider" charade, you guys, again, misinterpreted what I was suggesting. I'm an "outsider" as well, and I never claimed to be anything other than that. The promotion or demotion of something that involves a personal conviction such as RELIGION is precisely that. Personal. If Raz chooses NOT to promote it on HIS site, then so be it. OUR input, again, more times than not, won't be taken into account because it's an administrative decision.



Would a CEO heed Donald Trump's advice at the same value as someone who just started a real estate firm? No. If someone is better business minded than another, and has a prven track record, one opinion is obviously going to be more valuable than the other. No question that everyone's opinion is important, given that situation CALLS for others opinions, unlike the Religion thread decision, but what you say simply isn't true.



Not at all, and the sooner everyone realizes it, the better off you'll all be. Sorry that articulate myself in a way that isn't exactly "common". I'm pretty business minded, having attended a trade school, being an entreprenuer myself, I conduct myself professionally, aaaaaand I'm a debate freak, so if I go on a tangent, like this, forgive me.

I love all of you, value your opinions of me, and only want the best for the entire board. Misinterpretation has followed me around all my years, just know "outsiders" was a fluke, and you guys took it the TOTALLY wrong way.

Now, if Raz admits that his decision to demote the Religion forums was based on the overwhelming opinions of the board members, and not his own convictions, then I'll eat crow and step down as a moderator if necessary.

However, if his decision was soley personal, then maybe you'll see that not everyone's opinion influences every executive decision on this board, and that I was absolutely right in my rebuttal.

dave123
woah, I'm seeing a lot of paragraphs there stick out tongue

lil bitchiness
mad Biatch!!

Watch and be jealous of how absolutely fabulously they fit my newly excellently shaped butt. winkiss

Cinemaddiction
Just wanted to clear the air with every involved person. yes

Tex
I think we'll all be better off if you looked at your mod position, not as a professional business oriented job but more of a voluntary, hearty charitable service.

I've noticed that you do have this authoritarian, superior mentality about you.

Absolutely necessary if you want to run a successful business.

But it doesn't go over too well here.

Many people feel talked down to and looked down upon.

dave123
yes well put

Cinemaddiction
Why..better yet..how do my personal opinions have anything to do with my position? I'd share the exact same opinion if I WEREN'T a moderator, in fact, I'd be more vocal.

I'll tell you guys like I told B. I didn't change to become a moderator, I'm not going to change AS one, and drawing correlations between personal opinion and my position is unjust and unfair to me. I represent myself, first and foremost. I've got everyone's best interests in mind, and I'm not afraid to speak my mind, obviously.

How me suggesting that peoples opinions don't always influence someones personal decisions has anything to do with me being a mod is far, FAR beyond me, because it doesn't.

I don't expect any better treatment, I never asked for it either, so why treat me any different? Please don't, because it's more of a burden than a favor. Respect the title out of a default courtesy, respect the person once I earn it.

Thanks for understanding.

WindDancer
I think this might get out hand so please don't let this become a nasty fight. If you have any problems deal with them on the pm. This isn't fair for the administrator or other members. Please, don't let this become a personal issues. Like Raz said, don't blow this outta proportion.

Cinemaddiction
Not a problem.



What's been displayed here, and in the threads pertaining to the "Terminator" forum fiasco has nothing to do with being business minded. It's nothing more than me being a realist, and people taking offense to the possibility that there ARE somethings that possibly don't involve them, and things don't come free. That, more so in this thread, and I hope I've made that crystal clear by now.

There's not a thread of superiority in me. I'm competitive and involved. Ask Raz how much I care about these forums. He knows darn well how dedicated I am. People are mistaking my attempts at progress as opposition. Having laid things out as simply as possible, making it painfully obvious it's in all our best interests, how can it be my fault?

Sorry you guys don't see it the way I do. I don't know what else to say.

BackFire
1. Stop getting bent out of shape because C-Dic used the term "outsiders". It's obvious that he simply meant people not on the moderating team, nothing more or less. It's stupid to get offended over such a thing.

2. The forums were moved to make the main page more convenient and less crowsed. Only forums that get major traffic should be on the main page, it makes perfect sense. The religion forum move is fine, as Tex said, it's actually more accesable now, only one click away.

3. This thread has served it's purpose, your questions have been answered and now its going way off topic. If you have any further comments or ideas as to how to improve the board, use the suggestion thread.

Closing.

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