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I mean you see all these bullies in schools in the UK then ever before. One of the reasons being that single parents are bringing up their children. But that would all change if the father had the child as the father is the authority figure in a family and kids would learn discipline as opposed to care that doesnt work eaily and kids disobey their mothers and become thugs and gang members? So whats up with that?

Should some people even be allowed to have offspring?

-AC

Yeah, kids dont get to see there fathers enoth

Man, does this thread have potential to branch off on countless sub-arguments or what? I predict 1,000 responses before the end of the week!

And yes, I do feel that men should have equal rights in this matter.

Yeah... Dads are just awesome.

To be honest, I really don't see how being raised by a single parent will turn kiddies into thugs and bullies, but whatever. But yeah, men should have equal rights where their children are concerned.

the judges would just have to look at who is best

wow

They should get a better go of it than they do at the moment.

I dunno much about custody stuff, but if folk feel they have to dress up as batman and climb up Buckingham Palace to get attention then something isn't right.

Discipline (sp) is rubbish in schools at the moment, kids are behaving worse. Families are breaking up more often. I reckon there is a link

I dunno whether Dads can do a better job than Mums.

I see my dad once a week at most.

i only met my dad one time in my life. that was when i was 12 now im 20


but i have heard stories abought him that made me regret being his son.



any ways..


should fathers have rights to have there kid?


as a male myself it depends how the father is.

LOL! my mum is definately the authorative figure in our household. I dont think mums are any less qualified to give out discipline than fathers i think it just depends on the family. But I do think that fathers should be more able to have their kids living with them. I like the 50/50 idea but i think that all depends on the kid and the situation - every case needs to be viewed individually. The other thing is i think that if the mother breaks the visitation rights of the father there should be more action taken against her to prevent her doing it again (or the other way around if the kids living with dad).

as a single parent all I know is that my son is far better off without his mum.... everyone involved with him (even his mum!) has said that since his mum left us there has been a marked improvement in his behaviour, work, and everything... but that doesn't follow for everyone.. I think that two good loving parents is the best set up... but one good single parent is better than having to live with one good and one no good... and of course, some kids are better off without either of their natural parents...

Not sure if single parents are to blame for the bullies in the world. The most memorable bully from my school days way back came from a two parent family, so really.... But yes, I think men deserve greater access to their kids if they divorce, or at least better then now, and perhaps judges should be more open to granting custody to men if that man is the best option. Granted, the situation is improving but there are some ways to go. Rightfully the system should however seek to do best by the child, but I think mens rights and the child's welfare can be intertwined.

imo society paints women as being better parents by default, which is wrong. fathers should be given equal chances of winning custody, simple as that. the amount of good decent fathers who dont get to see their kids because some half assed court decided the mother was better without examining the case is a f*cking farce...

and its my biggest fear about having children. that if the mother and i ended things on bad terms i'd never see my kids... that'd kill me...

Children need both their parents if at all possible.......

i think fathers a just as importent as mothers and i ahte how media in america paints a picture that poeple dont need a father

I personally think there needs to be a delicate balance.

But that rarely ever happens.
If the father is a good father, then yes, they should get rights to their kids.
If not, then no.

Simple.

Depends on the family, obviously. My friend's parents got a divorce when he was in third grade. He now lives with his dad, stepmother, and stepbrother and is at his mom's every other weekend or something. His mom is really ****ed up, and tbh I'm not entirely sure she even likes him. She "forgot" to buy him a Christmas present this year, even though he got her one. His dad on the other hand is a really nice guy, and his stepmom treats him more like a human than his real one. Now his stepbrother is the opposite, because his dad is the messed up one... Men should get equal consideration when it comes to this custody stuff.

I agree with darth revan.. although it really does matter how the family is like i think males should have equal rights when it comes to having custody over the kids....

Equal rights for both parents ofc. Both figures of parental relations are necessary and there is no time for silly excuses of work or time.
Even if there is no family anymore, the education shall be balanced.
So, no mather what kind of relation the parents have after a divorce, both shall understand that they have a son in common.

Thats my case. I am with my son about three or four days a week, and no mather how bad my relation with my son's mother is, we are always trying to agree and when our son is the point. We love him

Thats the saddest thing ive ever heard.

Sorry got caught in the moment, I guess your right but you can't have equal time with you sons/daughters coz its just gonna drive the kid insane surely

Well I am with my dad almost full time because I could not stand my mom and my sister does not even have to go to her house according to the court.
So I rule in favor in my case of the father.However the judge in most cases favors the mother.Not sure why.JM

ideally both should have equal rights to their children but when that is not an option the decision should not be based on gender but instead which parent can create the better all around environment in which the child should be raised .

And you are drunk, surely :P

We love him and he love us. And he is very well thanks. The time we spend with him has already been a subject of our thoughts and talks and he likes to spend an equal time in both houses and sometimes with both of us at the same time.

I really dont understand why should he become insane :P

Ah! I am lawyer and the worst place to decide the future of a child is in court.

So, in future, no mather what do you decide, try to avoid it.

I also think both parents should have a right of custody. Then, if one of the parents isn't like a psycopath, each parent should get to see the kids close to equally. Actually from my perspective: The kids should be able to see their parents the same amount of time. I think most kids with divorced parents ( these days) like their dads more because the mom is who has to yell at them to make their bed and do their homework and go to bed {this is not the case for myself though} But back to my first sentence...

I live with my mom. From the age of 7 to 11 I would see my dad every weekend, and alot during the summer, and had a good relationship with him, but then one day I never heard from him again. He never called, wouldnt answer his phone, moved away form his house, and he didnt leave any clue as to where he is. He basically just disapeared from my life.

Families were designed for a mother and a father and their offspring. Today the family lines have become a bit blurred with step this and that and half siblings.

These type things need to be done on a case by case basis for there are many people who really shouldn't have kids, they're too selfish, wrapped up in their own lives, etc.

my girlfriend's dad has custody of his kids.

Nope they arent, the parent of said bullies are responsible and that can be 2 parent families as well as single parent families.

If the father is better able to take care of the child I'd say yes he should have primary custody. However if you have joint custody and you are adults about it, there is no reason single parents cant raise a happy healthy child.

very well put JP,thats exactly what I was thinking!

Thanks BK, I have my moments of clarity.

I believe that if a child has one parent then he/she can be come a very messed up child.

I know because that happened to me!

I dont think having 1 parent is the reason for people being 'messed up'.. I do think that poor parenting and lack of morality drives people to be bullies, thieves, murderers etc.... Im still not sure what it has to do with gender though...

It really depends on the father, if I think about my favourite actors not being able to see their kids then I would feel very sorry for them indeed.

............Yeah.........okay.............

And do you only have one parent?

That can happen in a 2 parent family too just as easily.

I beg to differ.

Deep, emotional scaring can happen when a parent leaves.

and deep emotional scaring can also happen when the parent DOESN'T leave and keep on fighting

Same here. When I was 6 my dad just sort of took off. He moved into this big-ass house in South Amsterdam with his new girlfriend. But he still sent us money and he allowed me to visit about twice a year. Financially he took care of me (nevermind that my mom used all the money for her heroin habit). But then when I was 13 my mom OD'd and from then on I never heard from him again. When I needed him the most to look after me he just sort of disappeared.

About 5 months ago he called me out of nowhere. He'd just gotten out of jail in St. Petersburg and said he'd come see me but he never showed up. *shrug*

He recently died of lung cancer. Man, I just love happy endings.

I agree with JP - My estranged wife and I share the kids between us quite happily, had we stayed together, just for the kids, in a relationship that was deteriorating I think this would have been more detrimental to the children. Don't get me wrong I so wanted to stay with my wife and for it to work, but a relationship has to be 2-sided and you should not stay in a staid relationship, this will destroy you and will affect the children.

indeed so

If they kept on fighting I'm sure one of them would leave...

When I was just a kid, like four, my mother passed away so that left just me, my Dad, and my twin-brother. Shortly afterwards my oldest brother moved out and my Dad got a girlfriend which developed into marrige. I don't really get along with her as much as I'd like to so that's when my life kind of fell apart. Then my mother came back and started haunting our house, now that was spooky!

that sucks. Even when I would see him, he never payed child support, But the thing was, when I would see him I would have the best times with him then bam, gone.

Aw Slipknot There, there hug

I hate my Dad...and my step-mum...

I'll admit, I didn't read the entire thread...I'm short on time. But the answer to the question is yes. Men should have a right to decide the fate of the child they helped to create. I'm not gonna cite god as a source for my opinion, but the man has as much to do with the conception of a child as the woman...unless god interceeds, of course.

Equal rights for women? These days, in this country, it seems that women have little to complain about.

So single mothers are to blame for gang's? Somehow and senselessly that sounds about right.

Are you ****ing kidding me? Besides the fact that 9 times out of 10 I have noticed that women "wear the pants" in a family, and the father is little more than a nutered version of the children, single parent families are NOT the cause of gangs or gang violence. I think that's one of the most assanine comparissons I've ever heard.



Because mothers have breasts...they produce milk? I dunno? You tell us, you seem to be the exception to the rule that mothers are chosen to raise the children. You should be telling us why your father was chosen over your mother.

Because single mothers will need halp with things when life gets too stressful, when a child disobeys an order and the order is not avenged, then the kid will think its acceptible to do something against what an authority figure has said hence they will start thinking its acceptible to disobey the law therefore becomming criminals/thugs etc...