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Everyone has heard, and has probably used the term "conspiracy theorist," and the fact of the term being in common use, also indicates that we generally agree on what it means. I saw a movie by that name, and the title character was a raving lunatic who kept his food in thermoses with combination locks to reduce his chances of being poisoned by imaginary enemies.

Regardless of how the stupid movie turned out, what's important here is the common perception people have of someone to whom that label is applied, and just as important, is who it is that applies the label. The common perception is that someone who is labeled a "conspiracy theorist" is suffering from some type of psychological disorder, and that label is usually applied to people by our government, and our news media. The next thing to consider, is that the label is applied to anyone who questions our government's version of events in any matter. Doesn't it logically follow that the media are teaching us to assume that anyone who questions the government is insane? When that label is applied to a person, doesn't it become easy to dismiss everything they say without even hearing it? How convenient for them.
But sadly, I think the main reason people choose to believe the government's version of events despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is because it's easier, and safer. If you ignore most of the evidence, and accept as plausible whatever ridiculous explanation the T.V. provides, your life remains simple, and you get to sit on your ass and watch more T.V. If on the other hand, you pluck your head from that same ass and realize you've been lied to, as a citizen in a democratic society, you're instantly burdened with being responsible for doing something
about it.
Conspiracy theories arise from evidence. After the government releases an explanation of a particular event, a conspiracy theory is only born because evidence exists to disprove their explanation, or at least call it into question. There's nothing insane about it, unless you define sanity as believing whatever the government tells you. In light of the fact that our government lies to us regularly, I would define believing everything they tell you as utter stupidity.

In July of 1996, flight 800 exploded over Long Island. Shortly after their terrorist explanation failed scrutiny, our government then explained the event by claiming that a faulty electrical system caused a spark that ignited a fuel tank, and the people who doubted this explanation were quickly labeled "conspiracy theorists." More than a hundred witnesses saw a missile travel from the ground up to the plane just prior to its explosion, but rather than being treated as eyewitnesses to an event, they were labeled "conspiracy theorists," which label allowed all subsequent investigation to ignore the strongest evidence in the matter.

Our "investigative" news agencies decided to accept and disseminate the official story, and they helped us forget the U.S. naval station nearby, the fact that missiles were regularly test fired there, and naturally, they paid no heed to more than a hundred "conspiracy theorists" who saw the plane get blown out of the sky by a missile. I believe that the U.S. Navy accidentally shot down flight 800, and that's my belief because it's the most sensible explanation that can be drawn from the available evidence. I'm not theorizing about conspiracies, but there are conflicting explanations of the event, and if the Navy did accidentally blow a passenger plane out of the sky, who would have a motive to lie about it? The U.S. government, or a hundred witnesses?

Aren't you a bit paranoid?

A bit??

Yeah I hate it how just because people who dont accept the lies that the u.s. government tells them and questions authorty and does not go along with them, get labeled a conspiracy theorist.Thats what I have been called my whole life because I have a huge interest in the kenneddy assassination and dont accept the offiical version and bury my head in the sand about it like so many others do.Thats pretty much what I have discovered in the years I have looked into it is that even though the evidence is overwhelming that the CIA pulled it off,and there was no proof oswald did it,people dont want to hear the evidence.They dont want to believe it so they ignore it and try to come up with something to convine themselves its not real because the truth is too frightening for them to deal with.They are afrai to acknowlede that we live in a dictatership country here in the states.

errr no he just gots logic and common sense and not afraid of the truth like so many others out there are.

My father worked for the intelligence branch of the navy during the height of the cold war and has always told me to not believe everything I read in the papers. However, if you look close enough, alot of times you can see the truth poking out somewhere.

Yeah, im all open to possibilities of conspiracy theories...always hae been.

I'm also open to Conspiracy theories myself. As some of you recall I made a thread about Secret Societies. I like to keep an open mind to them as long as they have some reasonable logical explanation. But come on! Conspiracy theories claiming that Aliens assasinated JFK are waaaaay too silly and are example of irrational discussions.

yeah i did not like like that show they made some years back which was about aliens that took over the earth because they assassinated jfk.that kind of talk is what gives jfk researchers a bad name.

No....next

the alien bit is silly yes...what about the other theories....why was the bodyguards on the motorbikes guarding the car behind..and not the kennedy car....some people might say that the assasination was allowed to happen
im dont know what happened exactly cos i wasnt there...but some evidence suggests that somethin iffy went on

I totally agree with you, Dean. I think we are fed from the media the version of what they want us to hear. I think the gov't themselves (some brach, maybe CIA) themselves assassinated Kennedy. I think things like that happen so much more than we could possibly imagine....Just like Area 51..

So do you believe there are aliens at area 51 kRaZy777?

yeah whats interesting about that whole bit is that the dallas police were ordered by the secret service to reduce their protection for two cars on each side of the car to just two and told to drive behind the president so people could have a good view of him.also the newspapers in dallas that day had him going on the parade route down main street but mysteriously the secret service changes the route to where he would have to go down Elm steet and slow the car down at 11 miles an hour which was a direct vilolation against secret service policy.In the movie,Donald sutherland plays a gu by the name of x who in real life is a guy named flectcher prouty who was the laison for the cia and kennedy and he maintains if he wasnt called to go out of the country that day like he was,that he would never have allowed the 13th intelligence army to stand down that day and not provide protection for the president,that they would never have had the bubbletop removed and that his protection deatil would never have allowed there to be open windows from builidngs that day.it was all a planned and coordinated event.

Conspiracy theories are – like religions – often a peculiar kind of culturally accepted delusion.
Just as I have no clue as to which interpretation of God’s word supposedly is the right one, how am I to know which conspiracy theory is supposed to be true? The one with or without the aliens? The one with or without the Freemasons being in league with the devil and masterminding a New World Order?
The one with or without 9/11 being a government plot?

Does the government lie to us? OF COURSE they do. I’ll just say “Weapons of Mass destruction” to anyone who claims otherwise.
And anyone who cares to investigate the assassination of JFK should look up the House Select Committee on Assassinations http://www.archives.gov/research_room/jfk/house_select_committee/committee_report.html
Yes, JFK was PROBABLY the victim of a conspiracy, but who, where and what remains unknown.

THAT – however – does not mean the KGB, CIA, MI5, Mossad, FBI, PET and what have you are out to get YOU!
Just as with religion, conspiracy theories have a flaw – they have NO proof. Nothing.
There’s a fine line between going “Nah, I’m not buying the magic bullet, there was foul play involved in the JFK assassination” and then go “Hah, evil reptile aliens from Bellatrax (please notice the misspelling of Bellatrix and look up the two words in google) are working with world leaders to…. Uhrm… rule the world and steal MY DNA, cause I’m so special to make hybrids and so on.”

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Thats a good way of putting it TO,
Yea I'll except that something might be up, but it has to make sence!

dont go by the house select committe on assassinations on the jfk assassination,that investigation was every bit a joke as the warren commission,they never had any intention of trying to find out who really did it either.they ignored all evidence that pointed towards the CIA and tried to say the mafia alone did it.

A plane did not hit the pentagon on September 11, 2001.

dont say that...you dont want to be branded a nutter

The reason Conspiracy Theorists have a bad reputatiion is because most of the stuff they spout is utter bilge. They PRETEND to be more intelligent than those who blindly accept what Government tells them, but in my experience they demonstrate no more intelligence at all.

As Omega says, they are rarely backed by anything approaching coherent proof, and- the moon landing one being a case in point here- when a case for them, is made, it is normally so ridiculosuyl flimsy and easy to destroy with simple common sense and intelligence, it was barely worth making in the first place.

An open mind is one thing, but simply reversing your credulity- from believing everyhting the Goverment says, to beleiving evey bad thing said about the Government- is simply a sign of more human folly, and it is certainly more to that area that I find conspiracy theorists tend to be.

I find few things more amusing than an extreme such theorist who considers himself superior to those who do not hold his views, as if he is more perceptive and intelligent, when no such thing is the case.

If conspiracy theorists want to stop being so looked down upon, they should stop doing things that make people look down on them, simple as that.

Listen you fools.

Keeping an open mind and not sucking up everything you are told is the way to be. Thinking for yourself and questioning authority is the way to be.

However, when you start thinking that EVERYTHING in the world is not as it seems, you don't become open minded. You become more closed minded than the very people you are calling sheep.

Example: "Was George Bush getting into the office first time around, a conspiracy?". This type of thing is OK.

"Were the earthquakes a conspiracy?". This type of thing is ****ing pathetic and so is anyone who believed it.

Believing without fault, something that the TV tells you makes you a sheep. Then again so does believing without fault something that you learn on a so-called "Conspiracy Theorist" website.

The phrase "Think for yourself", means just that. It doesn't mean "Don't be sheep with the sheep, be a sheep with the people who hate sheep."

-AC

I think AC and I are on the same wavelength there... just rhetorically different...

ya i heard something about that

A friend showed me the website. He (and he is a no bullshit true to god genius, seriously) said all the stuff on this website was true.

Mr. Parker> “dont go by the house select committe on assassinations on the jfk assassination,that investigation was every bit a joke as the warren commission,they never had any intention of trying to find out who really did it either.they ignored all evidence that pointed towards the CIA and tried to say the mafia alone did it.”

I just LOVE the amount of proof and evidence you have to back up that statement.

GABRIEL05> ”A plane did not hit the pentagon on September 11, 2001.”
How do YOU know that?
“A friend showed me the website. He (and he is a no bullshit true to god genius, seriously) said all the stuff on this website was true.”

Okay…


As both Ush and AC point out. Thinking for oneself is the way to go. Definetely. But if you spend hours on conspiracy.com and suck up what it reads on those pages, how much do you REALLY think for yourself?

What really cracks ME up is the PCT (Paranoid conspiracy theorists) who claim to prove stuff like Einstein was wrong… Reading their so-called proof is quite entertaining. A case example for badastronomy.com.

"A friend showed me the website. He (and he is a no bullshit true to god genius, seriously) said all the stuff on this website was true."

If the Government don't want you to know something, you won't know it regardless of how sharp or intelligent you may be. There has more than likely been stuff going on for years and years within the ranks of congress and governments across the world, unbeknownst to us. With no "leaked" tippage at all. Controlled Rebellion is the only type of rebellion left without knowing the EXACT truth.

Saying "They're lying, they did this they said that" is all good. Fighting the power etc. However at the end of the day, what end are you reaching? They still go to bed in power, you still go to bed under them.

By no means am I saying lay down. Just not to expect the world to change just coz you are believing a conspiracy theory. As for the Pentagon attack, I will openly admit that anyone who believes "It was just a plane" is quite obviously off the rocker. That was one of the most frightening things I've seen. There's so much going on there that I'm not even sure I'd WANNA know what happened.

-AC

oh comon now ya talkin through ya berloody a$$!

I can say something perfectly reasonable, yet I'm talking through my ass.

Some random yahoo can claim that the Earthquakes were a conspiracy and you give it a second thought.

Logic?

-AC

i didnt give it a second thought...

I like the word Yahoo

"i didnt give it a second thought..."

I sure hope that means you immediately laughed it off.

-AC

i didnt laugh...but i didnt believe it

Whew.

Good, good.

-AC

lol

There’s something in the world of conspiracy theories that most PCT’s seem to forget.
The COLD WAR.
Back when the USSR and the USA scared each other, themselves and the rest of the world half to death with the treat of WWIII, even high-ranking officials toothbrush brand was probably rated TOP SECRET.
New planes were probably tested and to avoid enemy-attention why wouldn’t officials themselves readily spread flying saucer-stories?
This entire “FYO” and “Top secret” stuff in the 50’s and 60’s and onward was a breeding ground for conspiracies solely because governments didn’t reveal ANYTHING.

AC> If a plane didn’t fly into the Pentagon then what? Frankly, if I were a terrorist trying to attack the USA I’d sure go after the military power symbol – the Pentagon.
I’m more wary regarding the fourth plane which the passengers themselves allegedly crashed themselves. Anyone trying to tell me it wasn’t shot down to prevent it from hitting it’s target has watched too many touchy-feely sitcoms.

I can't say I'm qualified to apply any concrete answer as to what hit it, Omega.

From what I have seen from many many many sources, the damage done and the aftermath weren't appearing to be such of a plane crash. At least not an air attack. Like I said, it does seem that there's way more going or than there appears to be, or maybe there's ALOT less than we think there is. Something isn't right about the Pentagon situation that's for certain.

I don't doubt that the plane was shot down though, the one you referred to.

-AC

AC> Have anyone considered explosives being kept INSIDE the Pentagon?
I mean, if you don’t believe it was a plane, then you must have a guess (even an uneducated one) as to what it was.
Do you believe the military itself messed up their headquarters? Or…

Well I personally thionk it could be possible that it was a fake to have a reason to get to war or pass laws or just to get the agreement of the majority to whatever course will be taken. If it actually was you have to admit it worked out really good. But this is just a very, very, very, uneducated guess.

Sorry,. but... yes it does... it looks like a frigging plane hit it!

The people who say otherwise are insane.

Bardock> But – conspiratorically speaking – what could the Bush-administration need more than two planes in WTC?
When 9/11 is mentioned do most people not think of the twin towers?

"Have anyone considered explosives being kept INSIDE the Pentagon?
I mean, if you don’t believe it was a plane, then you must have a guess (even an uneducated one) as to what it was."

That's something I considered alot. Should the base theory of a plane hitting it be false, then the next likely conclusion would be explosives inside, yes.

Well, I wouldn't put it past them to keep the explosives in there.

"Do you believe the military itself messed up their headquarters? Or…"

Can't say I'd really put it past them. When people say the military may have messed their own base up, I doubt they did it on a whim if they did actually commit the act theirselves. Would have arranged it so minimal cost or what not, was exuded. In truth, I don't know what went down, these are just guesses. I'm not pinning anything down.

"Sorry,. but... yes it does... it looks like a frigging plane hit it! The people who say otherwise are insane."

I'm not insane. I just don't think it looked at a glance, like a passenger jet had hit it. From the pictures and footage I saw (not saying that makes it true, but I have seen many as I'm sure you have) it looked a tad suspect. That's all.

-AC

Well thats what I am saying. If I wanted to make sure that I get reelected and that I can do a hell of a lot more than I am supposed to I would do that.

Now don't get me wrong its sad that it happened, but just reasonably it was one of the best things that could happen to the Bush administration

AC> ” Can't say I'd really put it past them.”
I think you and I can readily agree that there is very little we SHOULDN’T put past leaders – just take a peep at history in general.
Look at the countless wars, power-abuse, REAL scandals (aka Watergate and Iran-contra, Oliver North), money-grabbing and so on and so forth.
Look at the leaders. The Danish Prime minister was in the 80’s removed from his post as minister of treasury for lying to the parliament – now he’s the prime… minister. Look at Ariel Sharon, convicted as responsible for the massacre in Lebanon in 82, judged to never be able to hold political office.
Look at Boy George who stole the 2000 election in the US.
So no… I don’t have much faith in politicians.

” The people who say otherwise are insane."
Wasn’t that said by governments about people who didn’t believe Hussein had weapons of mass-destruction piled up in Iraq?

I’ve always believed it WAS a plane hitting the Pentagon. But AC usually doesn’t claim Martians are behind Earthquakes, so I’m willing to listen…

Actually I have seem some evidence that makes it hard to belive there actually was a passenger plane

it doesnt look like a passenger plane i admit...i heard that the goverment put some fake plane wreckage by the explosion to make believe that a plane had hit the pentagon.....and its a fact that the fbi tryed to round up all the video evidence of the accident so no one could see it......why would they do this?

Well if it was all just a fake they could do whatever the **** they wanted

"So no… I don’t have much faith in politicians."

I agree with all of what you said including this. Considering history, our politicians haven't exactly done their job correctly or honestly. Not much we shouldn't put past them is right.

"I’ve always believed it WAS a plane hitting the Pentagon. But AC usually doesn’t claim Martians are behind Earthquakes, so I’m willing to listen…"

Thank you. I'm not saying it absolutely was not a plane, just from what I have to go by I don't believe it was a passenger flight, meaning like a boeing or whatever. There would have been way more damage and way more debris than was cleared up in the time people got there I think. I really don't know for sure, some say it was a plane going along the ground into the Pentagon, some say that fighter jets shot it down. Some say the hole was too precise to be caused by a random crash.

Whatever it was, I'm just not entirely convinced it's a "yeah it was a plane" as it seems. If it was, my mind would be at rest to be honest. It's scary to think just what would our governments do to cover shit up.

-AC

Martians are behind Earthquakes......who said that? lol

Err, sorry, but no. Anyone who believes that that was not the damage caused by an aeroplane has had a major logic failure.

This is pure concoction of nonsense, and no decent motive has ever been offered.

i think there is a motive ...to go to war with iraq

What, they specifically faked that specific bit to go to war with Iraq despite the fact that all the evidence they subsequently found was all pointing towards Al-Qaeda? Pretty crappy conspiracy!

It only works if you say ALL of 9/11 was faked, clearly untrue. Why the hell would they fake that one extra bit? How could they even have KNOWN?

If you really are going to say that this idea only works if 9/11 was a US fake, then you have again left the realms of common sense and sanity.

how on earth do u know what went on?
was you there?
your reality like most others is to believe what the goverment and newspapers tell you
the fact is you dont know what plans were made before the events of 9/11
neither do i but to say you know the truth for sure IS insanity

I have never heard that anyone thought that 911 was set up, that's just crazy. I have heard that the U.S. Gov't knew that there was going to be a terrorist attack on American soil and that they could use the fall out to push their agenda's of an Afghanistan pipeline and invasion of Iraq, but they had no idea how BIG the attack actually was going to be.

This statement is evidence of what has been stated as trouble in this thread already. You have gone from simple scepticism to outright fantasism.

I am secure that these fears are ignorant babble. No attempt by you to say we don't know anything for sure will deflect that. It is simply ludicrous. If you want people to believe a claim, back it with evidence- else don't waste anyone's time.

seeing concpiracy in every event is the insane part

wheres your evidence?

so its wrong to bring up these sort of questions?

There is tons of it, from investigations all over the world. Every lead points towards it. And the amount of totally unreasonable things that would have to happen for your theory to be true makes it totally untenable.

You want to know why people look down on conspiracy theorists? You've shown your own point- it is because you talk so much outright crud, and then think by saying "You cannot prove everything you know is not wrong and that it is actually this way" is an even vaguely intellectual justifcation for such hogwash.

Fact is. the established situation is that Al-Qaeda attacked the US with three planes on 9/11. Now, as I say, either produce evidence to challenge that and make out the US organised it against itself (and for some reason did not use a plane on the Pentagon but then tried to tell everyone it was a plane... such gibberish...), or you have NOTHING.

to quote yourself, bring in hard evidence with the question. Not some written thing a lunatic cocked up when on heavy drugs. But plausible things that can hold water. That can be argued on a sensible level

Questioning things is good.

Questioning everything for the sake of it is stupid.

-AC

am i a conspiracy theorist?
i bring up the the conspiracy...i never say in believed any of it..i just think they could create a good and decent discussion on these forums....where do u get your facts from huh? oh i forgot..silly me
and there are facts on this conspiracy if you read up on them...its whether u wanna take those facts on board or dismiss them entirely..thats up to you

for the sake of what?
questioning everything? like?

how can i bring in evidence when u say that it is written by a lunitic cocked up on drugs?
so theres no point is there?

I've read the so-called facts and they are all nonsense. People making something out of nothing to try and prove something that secretly pleases them.

It is clear that you think there could be something to that conspiracy, which is not a tenable position.

And there is absolutely no evidence at all that this was a set-up by the US, which is a monstrous and idiotic thing to think.

The whole idea is utterly stupid and no intelligent person should have to give rubbish like this a second thought. It is like we have decided to give up living in a time where common sense and rational thought actually matter, and the credibility of conspiracy theorists is destroyed by such things.

because if there where evidence it would have surfaced in the press, and dont come with that lame ass BS of the press being run by Illuminati and that such infop would have been prevented. Dan Brown might write good storys, but all his books are being ripped appart when further investigated

the press IS controlled finti...if THEY dont want the public to know anythin...then WE aint gonna know...its simple

Evidence of Explosives In The World Trade Center Twin Tower Collapses.

The evidence that the World Trade Center towers were demolished is compelling. Photographs of explosives detonating during the collapse of both the north and south towers are presented below. They are taken from two (publicly available) videos of the collapses. Each frame has been numbered by its position in the video. Both videos were filmed at 30 frames per second, so an eight frame interval covers about one quarter of a second.

http://vancouver.indymedia.org/uploads/top-disintergrates.jpgyaxttg.jpg

Prove it.

Err... those are pics of the towers falling... what in the name of sanity is that meant to show?

have u got eyes?
can u read ?

http://www.threeworldwars.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99

decent presented info^

"the press IS controlled finti...if THEY dont want the public to know anythin...then WE aint gonna know...its simple"

Talk about stealing words.

-AC

Yes, I have eyes, and they tell me that those photos show nothing at all! You're just stuck on the train of total pointlessness!

stealin words?

The first thing to note, is that the top section itself must be disintegrating, otherwise (as the above frames show) the top section would have extended far into parts of the building that are clearly, as yet, unaffected by the collapse.

But what could possibly cause the top section to disintegrate? And in fact, what could possibly cause the top section to almost entirely disintegrate, before the lower section begins to collapse?

You have to realize that most of the top section had not been affected by the aircraft strike or fires and was thus still the same immensely strong structure that had supported the building for some 30 years. If this section was going to fall at all, this section would fall as one piece (like a tree in the forest). Unless, of course, this section had been laced with explosives and was undergoing a controlled demolition of its own, just a few moments before the lower part of the building was demolished.


http://vancouver.indymedia.org/uploads/south-3x6.jpg

to many independet media out there to let that happen, as for Norway they cant keep a thing out of the press. They get a hold on everything, it is even on the brink that the press is actually a national security threath

Oh come on.

I mean the Pentagon thing is one thing and people believe whatever but to say that it's a possibility that the WTC event was controlled demolition is the most ridiculous thing ever.

-AC

I cannot believe the architectural collapse of the Towers is somehow being used as evidence of conspiracy. Considerable- and far more intellectual- public inquiries as to why the Towers have been collapsed- aside from anything else, the basic design had flaws in. The metal structure melted and the rest could not stand. Not even Bin Laden expected that much to happen, but that fact is, the flaw was there and that is what happened.

Nothing you are posting is proving anything, Dean. And the totality of what you are trying to support is still untenable. You can only continue to sacrifice your own credibility by trying to propose such outlandish nonsense.

and as for TWC, it was the heat after impact that actually brought down the towers. The bearing beams at the levels hit buckled under the heat the fire caused and the domino effect that break down created crumbled the towers. The affect was more than the terrorist ever could have hoped for

With that I agree with you Alpha

wasnt the twin towers supposed to be able to withstand fire?
and plane attacks?
yes i believe
u continue to say everything is outlandish without even reading the website

http://www.threeworldwars.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99

Yes they were. And no they didn't. Go figure! That's how it is. THAT is sanity, your claims are gibberish.

yes fire, but its a diffrent thing when part of the structured are shattered from impact with a plane that exploded. The impact created a weaknes they didnt really anrticipate, and the planes actually got a bit bigger since the WTC was planed

I sure hope you meant "planned" and weren't making a reallllly tasteles joke.

not my claims...did i make this up myself? no...next

i dont think he was

yeah missed out on an n, no pun intended this time

wrong again

Are you fronting them? Yes. And are they ridiculous? Yes. So why bother trying to present them? You are only demoloshing the credibility of the conspiracy cause you espouse. Trying to distance yourself from all you just posted like that is a fruitless exercise.

so what does that say about you?

what does the fact that you was wrong say about me???????

so what if im fronting them?
does it matter to you?
explosives in the twin towers....i dont think its ridiculous...why is it? explain...it could have happened....but then again...maybe it collapsed because of the plane...thats what probably happened but .no need to get at me cos i present the info
i could start making sexual innuendo threads..everyone seems to like them

that im a human being capable of being wrong
are you so big headed that you are saying u are always right?

You are trying to present them as credible alternatives when they are not, and you cannot prove anything you say. The only evidence you have is some half-crazed nonsense that it couldn't have been planes that did it. Well... yes it could, and then where does that leave anything else?


Nonsensical ideas like this can, as I say, only bring your cause harm.

if you cared to read a couple of posts I admitted the mistake KharmaDog referred to.

And as a matter of fact there are two rules I go by.

rule 1: I am never wrong

rule 2: if I was to be wrong then rule #1 complies

Yea I think you are being alittle paranoid.But that is ok because everyone is once in a while.I really don't see it as a big deal.JM

just a semi-related thought

con·spir·a·cy

1: a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act

2: a plot to carry out some harmful or illegal act (especially a political plot)

3: a group of conspirators banded together to achieve some harmful or illegal purpose

this shit happens every day, i know. so why has it become socially appropriate to smirk when the word 'conspiracy' is spoken? who unofficially changed the meaning of the word, so that instead of thinking of the word's defenition we instantly think of mel gibson in 'conspiracy theory?'

so if u admitted the mistake...then u was wrong yes....so u have broke both rules yes? try not to contradict

no that means that rule 1 is the only one counting

whateva...u was wrong

and you cannot prove anything you say..prove to me u know all the facts
i dont feel its my duty to prove anythin
i just wanna present some claims...howeva wild they might be..so that we can discuss them
i coudnt care less if u believe it or not...the funny thing is you think i believe the stuff..just cos im presenting the info..your so wrong

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/index.html
more info on the twin towers disaster

people who claim there was bombs in the towers

According to the official version, which the 9/11 commission hardly comments on, the twin towers fell because of the impact of the planes and of the effects of the subsequent fires. The problem is that this is physically impossible, as we will show. The fall of the towers thus depends on some other cause: controlled demolition of some kind is the only possible hypothesis. The key to seeing beyond the official version is to chronicle the presence of secondary explosions, since these are the tell-tale signs of controlled demolition. When we examine the literature, we find a multitude of references to such secondary explosions. Louie Cacchioli, aged 51, was a firefighter attached to Engine Company 47, based uptown in Harlem. “We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck,”
Cacchioli recounted later. “I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the twentyfourth floor to get in a position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there were bombs set in the building.” Cacchioli was trapped in an elevator but was able to escape with the help of some fireman’s tools.
(People Weekly, September 24, 2001) Auxiliary Fireman Lt. Paul Isaac Jr. also spoke of bombs in an interview with internet reporter Randy Lavello. Isaac had served with Engine Company 10 in lower Manhattan during the late 1990s, so he knew the area around the WTC. Isaac said that many New York firemen were very concerned about the ongoing cover-up of why the World Trade Center collapsed. “Many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings,” he revealed, “but they are afraid for their jobs to admit it because the higher-ups forbid discussion of this fact. There were definitely bombs in those buildings.” Among those suppressing real discussion about what had happened, Isaac cited the neocon heavy

Teresa Veliz was a manager for a software development firm. She was on the 47th floor of the North Tower when American 11 struck. Veliz was able to reach the ground level at about the same time that the South Tower collapsed. Flung to the ground in total darkness, Veliz and a colleague followed another person who happened to have a flashlight. As she narrated later: “The flashlight led us into Borders bookstore, up an
escalator, and out to Church Street. The explosions were going off everywhere. I was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons. I was afraid to go down Church Street towards Broadway, but I had to do it. I ended up on Vesey Street. There was another explosion.
And another. I didn’t know which way to run.” (Murphy; Marrs 34

Anti-Conspiracy Theories (www.threeworldwars.com)

It’s official.
As of April 1, 2005 I’m an ANTI-conspiracy theorist.
This is no joke, and I suggest you become one too.

What on earth am I talking about?

Think about it:
- How much time have you and I wasted reading the rantings of various conspiracy theorists?
- Has any of that time enriched our lives?
- Has the world become a better place as a result of our reading or their outbursts, however well-intentioned?
- Are you any more prepared in case some or all of these theories prove accurate?
- Can any of these theories be either proven or disproven?

For those who’ve been at this game for a while, you’ll understand my point, but please bear with me for a moment of explanation.

The War in Iraq, the coming War in Syria, World War Three – none of these are the real issue. There’s a much bigger war going on: a spiritual battle for control of your mind. And conspiracy theory sites are unwittingly aiding the battle, by spreading fear, gloom and a sense of futility, instead of providing practical, meaningful solutions. And I’m not talking about building log cabins in the wilderness stockpiled with long-life foods, or emigrating to the wilds of Borneo.

There’s a grand plan unfolding, and conspiracy theory sites (those worth their salt) know there’s absolutely nothing that can be done, but still seem satisfied with believing they’re smart enough to have “it all figured out”.

Why do you think conspiracy sites are permitted to continue operating? If they’re a threat, wouldn’t they all be shut down? Truth is, conspiracy sites are aiding and abetting the grand plan, by enslaving people’s minds through fear.

"The crowning beauty--or horror--of Conspiracy Theory is that conspiracy is by its very nature secret and thus cannot be proven or disproved. Of course, the conspiracy buffs claim special “insider” knowledge. Should they be believed?"

My suggestion?

Drastically reduce the amount of time you spend assimilating “news”, from either traditional or alternative sources.

Radical, I know. And I say this because, for most of us, NONE of the news reported affects us personally. Not Annan’s imminent departure from the UN; not the latest earthquake in SE Asia; not school shootings; not events in Israel and Palestine; not the battle going on for Schiavo’s life and the related court rulings; not the rapidly-fading pope and the significance of who will be next. If they don’t affect us personally, why worry about these stories?

Instead, spend time coming to grips with the bigger picture:
- World events, both politically and geo-physically, particularly in the next few years, are going to become cause for more and more alarm. The individual events themselves matter little – what matters is the trend, or the unfolding grand plan. Once you’ve understood the grand plan (which you cannot do while worrying about individual events) you’ll be able to live in peace because your mind is prepared mentally;
- We, the people, have no real power, not even over ourselves for we are part of a system that runs independently of whatever it is we believe. (This statement will undoubtedly raise the ire of those who passionately follow one of many religions – I’ll comment on this in the next few paragraphs);
- Western society as we know it will collapse (some will argue that it has collapsed already, but there is worse to come). This is inevitable, and the signs now appearing seem to indicate a time-frame of 6 years or less, that is before the end of 2010. How old will you be in 2010?;
- When the collapse comes, it will be a case of adapt or die. Many will die. The rest will briefly mourn them and carry on, doing the best we can. There are always survivors, but very often luck plays as much a part in survival as anything, for few have any foresight or the will to adapt in the face of imminent disaster. Don’t believe me? Look at footage of survivors from the SE Asian Tsunami. Did survivors survive because they took planned action? Or because they were lucky? Closer to home: look at footage of survivors from 9-11. Few can argue that they were simply lucky to be far enough away when the buildings collapsed.

That’s a rather bleak bigger picture. And yet it shouldn’t be! These events have all been predicted many thousands of years ago. Read Isaiah 13, Daniel and Revelation 13 with an open mind. How exciting that someone knew about these events long before this generation came to being! And for those who do take the time to understand the coming events, not only will their hearts and minds be prepared, but they’ll be presented with opportunities to prosper, just as certain individuals prospered in the Great Depression. Now THAT is the exciting challenge!

Amos 3:7 (NIV) Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing without revealing His plan to His servants the prophets.

Have you understood The Plan?

Hey man i know loads of conspiracy theories i like them

Originally posted by Deano
Anti-Conspiracy Theories (www.threeworldwars.com)

It’s official.
As of April 1, 2005 I’m an ANTI-conspiracy theorist.
This is no joke, and I suggest you become one too.

What on earth am I talking about?

Think about it:
- How much time have you and I wasted reading the rantings of various conspiracy theorists?
- Has any of that time enriched our lives?
- Has the world become a better place as a result of our reading or their outbursts, however well-intentioned?
- Are you any more prepared in case some or all of these theories prove accurate?
- Can any of these theories be either proven or disproven?

For those who’ve been at this game for a while, you’ll understand my point, but please bear with me for a moment of explanation.

The War in Iraq, the coming War in Syria, World War Three – none of these are the real issue. There’s a much bigger war going on: a spiritual battle for control of your mind. And conspiracy theory sites are unwittingly aiding the battle, by spreading fear, gloom and a sense of futility, instead of providing practical, meaningful solutions. And I’m not talking about building log cabins in the wilderness stockpiled with long-life foods, or emigrating to the wilds of Borneo.

There’s a grand plan unfolding, and conspiracy theory sites (those worth their salt) know there’s absolutely nothing that can be done, but still seem satisfied with believing they’re smart enough to have “it all figured out”.

Why do you think conspiracy sites are permitted to continue operating? If they’re a threat, wouldn’t they all be shut down? Truth is, conspiracy sites are aiding and abetting the grand plan, by enslaving people’s minds through fear.

"The crowning beauty--or horror--of Conspiracy Theory is that conspiracy is by its very nature secret and thus cannot be proven or disproved. Of course, the conspiracy buffs claim special “insider” knowledge. Should they be believed?"

My suggestion?

Drastically reduce the amount of time you spend assimilating “news”, from either traditional or alternative sources.

Radical, I know. And I say this because, for most of us, NONE of the news reported affects us personally. Not Annan’s imminent departure from the UN; not the latest earthquake in SE Asia; not school shootings; not events in Israel and Palestine; not the battle going on for Schiavo’s life and the related court rulings; not the rapidly-fading pope and the significance of who will be next. If they don’t affect us personally, why worry about these stories?

Instead, spend time coming to grips with the bigger picture:
- World events, both politically and geo-physically, particularly in the next few years, are going to become cause for more and more alarm. The individual events themselves matter little – what matters is the trend, or the unfolding grand plan. Once you’ve understood the grand plan (which you cannot do while worrying about individual events) you’ll be able to live in peace because your mind is prepared mentally;
- We, the people, have no real power, not even over ourselves for we are part of a system that runs independently of whatever it is we believe. (This statement will undoubtedly raise the ire of those who passionately follow one of many religions – I’ll comment on this in the next few paragraphs);
- Western society as we know it will collapse (some will argue that it has collapsed already, but there is worse to come). This is inevitable, and the signs now appearing seem to indicate a time-frame of 6 years or less, that is before the end of 2010. How old will you be in 2010?;
- When the collapse comes, it will be a case of adapt or die. Many will die. The rest will briefly mourn them and carry on, doing the best we can. There are always survivors, but very often luck plays as much a part in survival as anything, for few have any foresight or the will to adapt in the face of imminent disaster. Don’t believe me? Look at footage of survivors from the SE Asian Tsunami. Did survivors survive because they took planned action? Or because they were lucky? Closer to home: look at footage of survivors from 9-11. Few can argue that they were simply lucky to be far enough away when the buildings collapsed.

That’s a rather bleak bigger picture. And yet it shouldn’t be! These events have all been predicted many thousands of years ago. Read Isaiah 13, Daniel and Revelation 13 with an open mind. How exciting that someone knew about these events long before this generation came to being! And for those who do take the time to understand the coming events, not only will their hearts and minds be prepared, but they’ll be presented with opportunities to prosper, just as certain individuals prospered in the Great Depression. Now THAT is the exciting challenge!

Amos 3:7 (NIV) Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing without revealing His plan to His servants the prophets.

Have you understood The Plan?


What the hell man?

You believe far too much of what you read.

I decided to research illuminati etc etc just to see if i knew what you were on about in more detail i might understand it better.


http://www.savethemales.ca/000166.html


^ What in ****s name is that? I mean come on..... Some people make hand signals and they worship satan now?




While where at it, Tupac made an album with the word 'killuminati' in it. Should we all assume he is trying to tell us to kill world leaders and they shot him!

Or is he one of them!? And was his death faked !???



The uncontested facts:

After leaving the Tyson fight on Saturday September 7, 1996 Tupac was alledgedly shot 5 times. He lived through the shooting and was taken to a nearby hospital.
He was pronounced dead on Friday September 13, 1996.
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The suspicious facts:

Friday the 13th is a very suspicious day.

There were never any pictures released of Tupac in the hospital.

In the song "Life Goes On", Tupac raps about his own funeral.

The driver of the car in which Tupac was riding, Suge Knight (the executive producer of Death Row Records), didn't show up for questioning about the shooting. (NFI -King arthur had knights....perhaps he was an illuminati and Surge is one of the decendants--Yet another world leader involved in the dead)

The video "I ain't Mad at Cha" was released only a few days after his death. "I ain't Mad at Cha" is track 13 on the album All Eyes On Me. The video shows Tupac as an angel in heaven. In the video, Tupac was shot after leaving a theater with a friend, which is very similar to how he was shot in real life. Interestingly, Tupac dies in his last video released under the name "Tupac". His new video "Toss It Up" from the new album was released under the name "Makaveli".

The second video to be released by the name Makaveli is "To Live and Die in L.A." But how could they shoot the second video when he is "dead". Do you really think the video was shot 4 months ago, back in August of '96? Think about it.

In the video "Hail Mary" released under the name Makaveli, there is a gravestone that says Makaveli. But the gravestone is cracked and there is a hole right in front of it, inferring that Makaveli rose from the dead.

A shooting involving Snoop Doggy Dogg occured close to the release of his album Doggystyle. The shooting made Snoop appear more "real" and showed his fans that he really was a gangsta. The shooting gave him respect because everyone that bought his album believed what he was talking about. Within one week of its release, Doggystyle went platnium. Snoop is signed to the same label as Tupac which is Death Row Records. In December '96, Tupac's new album went platinum.

In interviews prior to the shooting, Tupac talked about how he wanted to stop rapping and being a gangsta and get out of the limelight. What is the only way Tupac could completly escape the media spotlight ??? (Answer: if the public thought he was dead.)

There are no suspects for the shooting.

Press wasn't going to be allowed at the funeral, but then the funeral was cancelled for unknown reasons.

Tupac always wore a bulletproof vest, no matter where he went. Why didn't he wear it to a very public event like a Tyson fight? (Because he wanted to make it seem like he could be shot.)

In most of his songs he talks about being buried, so why was he allegedly cremated the day after he "died"? And since when do they cremate someone the day after death without an autopsy? Furthermore, it is illegal to bury someone who has been murdered without an autopsy.

Tupac's alias is Makaveli. Though the spelling is different, Machiavelli was a 16th century italian philosopher who advocated the staging of one's death in order to evade one's enemies and gain power.

In Machiavelli's book Discourses Upon the First Ten Books of Titus Livy, in Book 2 Chapter XIII he says "a prince who wishes to achieve great things must learn to deceive". This is Machiavelli's main idea and is the connection between Tupac and the writings of Machiavelli.

The title of the new album by Makaveli (Tupac) is The 7 Day Theory. He was shot on September 7th; and survived on the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, and"died" the 13th. Hence the title The 7 Day Theory.

Tupac's album All Eyes on Me was released on Feb.13, 1996. Tupac "died" on Sept.13, 1996. It is quite a coincidence that the two dates are exactly 7 months apart.

Tupac officially died at 4:03 PM. 4+3 = 7 Also he "died" at an age of 25 years. 2+5 = 7 It seems as if seven is Tupac's number.

There is nothing in the new album that says TUPAC RIP 1971-1996. Wouldn't it make sense to include something like that in the first album after his "death"? The only thing mentioned is "EXIT TUPAC ENTER MAKAVELI".

The executive producer of The 7 Day Theory , as listed in the CD booklet of the album, is Simon (who is a previously unknown producer in the rap music industry). In the bible, Simon was an apostle of Jesus. Simon was one of the first witnesses of the Resurrection listed by Saint Paul (I Cor. 15: 5). Could Simon be a reference to Suge Knight(the executive producer of Death Row records)? Simon was renamed "Peter, the rock" (John 1:42). (Jesus and the bible again---Hmm it IS exciting they all knew this was gonna happen!)

In Richie Rich's album Seasoned Veteran, which was released on the same day as The 7 Day Theory, on the song "N*ggas Done Changed" which is a duet with Tupac, Tupac says the following lyrics: "I've been shot and murdered, can't tell you how it happened word for word / but best believe that n*ggas' gonna get what they deserve." This phrase implies that Tupac knows he will be dead when Richie Rich's album is released.

In Makaveli's (Tupac's) song "White Man's World" on album The 7 Day Theory, he says "We ain't never gonna walk off this planet unless ya'll choose to." Did he choose to walk off the planet by faking his death?

In Tupac's song "Ambitionz az a Ridah" on the album All Eyes On Me, he says "Blast me but they didn't finish, didn't diminish my powers so now I'm back to be a muthaf*ckin' menace, they cowards thats why they tried to set me up, had b*tch *ss n*ggas on my team so indeed they wet me up, BUT I'M BACK REINCARNATED." This implies that Tupac is reincarnated as Makaveli.

In Tupac's song "Life of an Outlaw" on the album The 7 Day Theory, he says "All for the street fame on how to be managed, to plan sh*t, 6 months in advance to what we plotted, approved to go on swole and now I got it"-Life Of An Outlaw. This implies that Tupac planned his "death" in advance and now he is enjoying the success of his plan.

In Tupac's song "Made Niggaz" from the Supercop Soundtrack, he says "F*ck 'em all who don't understand my plot to get richer... Outlaw to the grave, a muthaf*ckin' made nigga I got a plan to get richer. Take my picture." Once again he mentions his "plan" to get rich. (Note from Inkeeper- Because you need to be v. rich to join the illuminati)



In E-40's album Hall Of Game in the song "Million Dollar Spot" which is a duet with Tupac, Tupac says, "Fans can't understand my ghetto slang, so i evade and plot and plan a life of better things...." Once again Tupac mentions his "plan". (Note from Inkeeper- This is OBVIOUSLY his plan for world domination)

Continued in next post!

In Tupac's song "Ain't Hard 2 Find" on the album All Eyes On Me, he says "I heard rumors I died, murdered in cold blood, tramatized pictures of me in my final states, you know momma cryed, but that was fiction, some coward got the story twisted." It seems as if Tupac foretold the future.

Scarface's song "Smile", which is a duet with Tupac, was supposedly recorded in September of '96, before Tupac was "shot". But the video for the song was released in May of '97 and the video depicts Tupac rapping while he appears to be crucified. At the end of the video, Tupac falls off the cross and stands up...which is another image of resurection.

In the video for "I Wonder if Heaven Got a Ghetto" the town it takes place in is called Rukahs. "Rukahs" spelled backwards is "Shakur". The room he goes into with the girl is room number 7. The clock in the background at the end is at 4:03...the same time he officially died. More funny stuff from the video producers. My question still remains, why?

In Tupac's song "No More Pain" on the album All Eyes On Me, he says "A heart of a soldier with the brains to teach a whole nation." Could this be a reference to Machievelli or Jesus?

On the cover of The 7 Day Theory, there is a picture of Tupac being crucified. This fits with the idea that Tupac "died" so he could be reincarnated as Makaveli. In the picture, there are five bullet holes. Interestingly, Tupac was "shot" 5 times.

The only witness to the shooting, Yafeu Fula, was found shot to death on Nov. 10th in a hallway of an apartment building in East Orange, NJ. Hmm...now no one will get any info out of him. (for more info on his death, click here.)

After the shooting of Notorious B.I.G. on March 9th, 1997 Lieutenant Wayne Petersen of the the homicide division of the Las Vegas Police Department who has been investigating Shakur's alleged killing said, "Before yesterday, I had never even heard of the Notorious B.I.G. There is no link between the two murders. We think the only connection is in the minds of the media. The media wants to connect the two." If you asked anyone who knows anything about the Tupac case, they would say something about the rivalry between Biggie and Tupac. How will the Las Vegas police ever solve the case if they don't know the basics? The answer is that they won't. C'mon guys, that is pretty pathetic.


According to my friend Roger as well as numerous other sources, in the first three seconds of The 7 Day Theory, the words "Suge shot me" are spoken very softly. Check it out for yourself, but that certainly is suspicious and it must mean something. Click here for the sample as it appears on the CD.

According to Neal, on the song "Thug Luv" which is a duet with Tupac on Bone Thugs-N-Harmony's double CD Art Of War after Tupac says "whuz poppin' n*gga", Bizzy Bone can be heard saying "He's Alive He's Alive He's Alive" in the background. Click here for the sample.

During an interview, an ABC correspondent asked Suge Knight, "If you knew who killed Tupac, would you tell the police?". Suge answered, "Absolutely not."

On November 25, 1997 a new 2 Pac album will be released on Jive Records called R U Still Down. It is being released under the name "2 Pac" not "Makaveli". This implies many things...does this mean that "2 pac" is back?


In the video "Heaven Gotta Ghetto", the license plate of the car that he gets in with the older man reads "61671". Another obvious occurance of the number seven and the sum of seven (6+1).


This comes from Mike Frankel: If you rearrange the letters in the album title "Makaveli The Don Killuminati The 7Day Theory" You can make the sentence "Ok on tha 7th u think I'm dead yet I'm really alive". Mike explains "7th meaning the 7th day after he was shot, he supposedly died but is really alive." That's quite amazing, try it for yourself.



Holy shit!

Tupac isnt dead! AND HE IS ONE OF THEM!


So we can now officially say Tupac orchastrated 9/11 and is to blame for basically every atrocity of modern history.


I heard he was in the school at Beslan, but he got away because as we know, Bullets dont hurt Makaveli!




Now that a typical conspiracy theory for you

Some facts, my stupid things stuck on the end, totally unbelievable, but unable to be proved wrong.


Enjoy it

ok, although i'm not going to read this.....:

i thought we two are the centre of the universe and therefore leaders of the world cry

Of course we are, but shhhh, the Tupac thing is a cover-up

Originally posted by The Inkeeper
What the hell man?

You believe far too much of what you read.

I decided to research illuminati etc etc just to see if i knew what you were on about in more detail i might understand it better.

what do u believe exactly?
what are your beliefs on what is goin on

Originally posted by The Inkeeper
Of course we are, but shhhh, the Tupac thing is a cover-up

ahh, i see! *shuts up*

*walks around casually*

*disappears without anyone noticing*

http://www.threeworldwars.com/nwo.htm

info on one world goverment

The world is under siege by a European hierarchy of banking families, the money changers and money lenders of history. They are already the richest people on earth but that is not enough. They have a Faustian Grand Plan. They mean to own or control everything of value on earth. Their weapons: MONEY and DEBT, the media, and Washington. The Conspiracy is invisible. It functions through its network of global and central banks and their many subsidized agents, organizations and fronts around the world. It financed the Morgans and the Harrimans. Even the haughty kingpin of the American Petroleum Cartel is its lackey. It controls the currency of all the major nations including Russia and China. It "takes" hundreds of billions from the American people every year. It has no regard for human life except as a resource for labor, taxes and armies. It has no god; money is its messiah.
A century ago, the Conspiracy had bankrupted Europe with its many wars (the lifeblood of the Conspiracy). A peaceful America, protected by two oceans, was on the verge of becoming the most powerful and prosperous nation on earth and the Conspiracy did not "own" it. This was "unacceptable". The Conspiracy wished to take control of American money, "mobilize its credit" to finance World War I and overthrow the Czar (for Russian money). And it needed America to assure victory over Germany (its hated enemy even before WWI). Wilson was pressured into signing the Federal Reserve Act and to declare war on Germany. Later he was to say, "I have involuntarily ruined my government". Ominously, he warned, "I have involuntarily ruined my government". Ominously, he warned, "Some of the biggest men in the United States are afraid of something. They know there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it - roosevelt

SOME QUOTES FROM POLITICIANS ABOUT THERE EXISTANCE

"From the days of Sparticus Weishaupt, Karl Marx, Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
Winston Churchill stated to the London Press, in l922.

The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties."
New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922

In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."
Strobe Talbot, Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.

The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes."
Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952

The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviet (Illuminati) Union


if u think about it....its not that too hard to believe
it amazes me how things are controlled in the world...if it wasnt the internet..i woudnt of heard of the illuminati...
i started gettin interested in the subject and i read up loads of info on them..i reckon its a possibilty ..its stupid to dismiss things so easily

But equally as stupid to accept them without question, dont you think ?

I have to say, i find the way Bush came into office suspicious, i find how he used 9-11 to rush into war disturbing, but i believe its all his and his daddy's pals work.

I dont believe its all part of some plan, i just cant buy into it.

I'd sooner follow my Tupac theory

theres gotta be some truth to them

btw- Arent the NWO

http://www.angelfire.com/tx/apcr/wrestling/nwo.jpg


Those guys?

Conspiracy theorists often have valid points in their arguments. Something that I very rarely hear people talk about is Bill O'Rielly. Most people forget that, despite his severe ability to insult the population and it's intelligence with his strict conservative views, he used to host a show on the sci-fi channel about Aliens. An unsolved mysteries type show. I think it was called sightings, or something like that. I wonder what his fans would think of him if that were a more publicized fact?

lol that was very convincing about Tupac. Infact, reading that it is not impossible to beleive that.

I found this interesting website saying that they found a UFO off the cost of Thailand that may have crashed due to the tsunami. Its very interesting to read but weather its true well thats for u to decide.
http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/aliens/61248

lol a mcdonalds happy meal was found in the ufo!
maybe the aliens got hungry after all that experimenting

http://tvnewslies.org/html/where_the_hell_is_your_9_11_pr.html

Where the Hell Is YOUR Proof?

to all the ignorant people in here

THE BACKGROUND

To this day, there has been no independent official inquiry into the attacks of September 11, 2001. The Kean Commission, with which most Americans are familiar, was based on the Bush/PNAC version of events. It was charged with probing the breakdown of intelligence prior to the attacks and making suggestions for improving communications among the competing agencies involved. The Commission, formed after more than a year of opposition by the Bush administration, did not…repeat...did NOT…investigate or report about the causes of the attacks.

Far more important – to this day there has not been a single piece of evidence presented to the public that corroborates the official government version of the most devastating attack in our history. Think about that. For more than four years, scores of credible experts have challenged the explanations offered by the Bush administration, and yet not a shred of evidence has been offered by the US government to support the official version of events they claim took place on that day.

Even more absurd is that fact that not a single official inquiry has attempted to respond to, discredit, or refute the questions that have been raised. On the contrary, both the American government and the complicit media have dealt with the every single challenge to the 9/11 explanations in two ways. They either totally ignore them or dismiss them out of hand as ridiculous conspiracy theories. Most of the well-researched and revealing findings by independent investigators are unknown to the vast majority of Americans.

THE BELIEVERS

Time and time again, when I come across close-minded Bush supporters, I witness the effects of an unexplainable phenomenon: a highly dangerous variation of HIV – a condition I call the Hypocrisy & Illogic Virus. Strangely, the most severe symptoms of this condition seem to manifest themselves during any and all discussions of the events of 9/11,

The disease is easily diagnosed by the appearance of two disabling features: the need to approach all issues of national importance with an air of shameful hypocrisy, and the absolute inability to use any form of logic during discussions of such matters

Collectively, people afflicted with this disorder approach 9/11 as one person. They all blindly believe what they have been told by their government. They all adamantly refuse to listen to any questions that have been raised about inconsistencies in the official version that simply don’t make sense. And if they engage in any dispute about these discrepancies, their arguments are illogical to an extreme, and they are simply unable to follow any rational argument to its conclusion.

The sad reality is that there is no way to convince these brain-washed believers that there may be something more to the story of 9/11 than what they have been told. That’s not too surprising, since most of these people still buy into the Bush/PNAC reasons for invading Iraq. They blindly accept whatever they are told and close their minds tightly to any other information, no matter how factual. They cannot be reached. There is simply no way. The disease is far too endemic to treat with any ordinary approach. They believe as they do, and that’s all there is to it.

So, let’s turn the tables and put the burden of proof on them!!!

I believe that I, and every single person involved in the independent 9/11 research community must ask one question of the people who still believe the official 9/11 story. We must demand that those who accept the Bush/PNAC explanation of the events of that terrible day answer a single question:

“WHERE THE HELL IS YOUR PROOF?”

You claim that the President and his handlers have told you the truth. You refuse to consider the information we show you that punches huge holes into the official version. You refuse to check out the information for yourself. You tell us what we have uncovered is false. Okay, we’ll buy that, we’ll concede that you’re right...and that all of us are wrong.

In fact, we’ll take it all back and admit the errors of our ways IF you do something first. Show us YOUR proof. Tell us why we should believe the story you have swallowed, and show us what you have to back up your claims! You’d better have something more than a borrowed smirk when you tell us we’re way out in left field. You better be ready to answer just one simple question:

Where the Hell is YOUR proof, true believers? Where the Hell is it?

THE BATTLE

I’m not sure why the independent research community has not yet taken this approach. Why does the burden of proof always fall on the researchers when the evidence they present is ignored? Why is it their burden to convince the non believers that there are legitimate questions about 9/11 that remain unanswered and hard evidence that we’ve all been fooled, big time?

The facts about 9/11 that has been uncovered are dismissed by people who apply unbelievably skewed logic to their opposing argument. They believe a story when the only proof they use to validate the story is the story itself. That’s it! All they know is what they have been told. News reports, video, witnesses, whistle blowers, their own eyes and even common sense contradict their beliefs. Still, these people continue to accuse the researchers of being either crazy or traitorous. What kind of convoluted reasoning has infected such a large segment of the nation?

This is a battle for truth. It’s not a debate over conflicting philosophies. It is a battle between those who are searching for facts and those who choose to deny that a search is necessary. How long do those in blinders have to be engulfed in flames before they believe an independent researcher who warns them of the increasing heat?

The level of denial and resistance can only be explained by understanding a very basic human response: sometimes truth is too painful for people to deal with. In this case, the perpetrators of 9/11 understood that most Americans could not permit themselves to consider the involvement of people within their own government in the dastardly attacks of that day. They could never allow themselves to even consider such a possibility, even though people within the administration had openly professed that just such an event would benefit their cause!

Those responsible for the tragedy clearly understood this aspect of human psychology. That is why they can hide in plain sight without fear of discovery, regardless of how much new evidence is uncovered, and regardless of how many legitimate questions are raised about their connection to the attacks.

As a result, the only effective battle cry at this point must be: Where the Hell is YOUR proof?

I take part in or observe countless discussions on 9/11; often in Internet forums. I read the posts and hear the responses of thousands of people who have not spent five minutes looking at the four years of evidence that has been uncovered by independent researchers. Amazingly, the same people feel fully qualified to dismiss new evidence with an insult or to present their own un-researched, amateurish conclusions. They know nothing about any information that might have been revealed while their heads were buried in the black hole of the mainstream media. But they constantly and vehemently insist that they do.

Without requiring a thimbleful of supportive evidence, these people continue to accept the official story of 9/11. That hypocrisy simply has to end just as our silence in the presence of that hypocrisy has to end. And it has to end now.

THE BLINDED

The ball now must be thrown to the nay sayers, the folks in blinders who believe everything they are told by the WH and its media mouthpieces. They must be held accountable for their unfounded beliefs by challenging them for convincing proof that we are wrong. There is no room here for even a fraction of the challenges that should be made. Still, we have to start somewhere, so let’s at least call for responses from the politically blinded to what follows:

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Where the HELL is YOUR proof that PNAC’s call for a ‘catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor’ was only an unbelievably astounding and timely coincidence rather than a statement that should have raised reasonable suspicion?

In the late 1990’s members of the Project for a New American Century wrote a treatise in which they foresaw a strategic “transformation” of the U.S. military into an imperialistic force of global domination that would require a huge increase in defense spending. “The process of transformation,” the plan said, “is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor.” The members of this group, known as PNAC, were appointed to many high level positions in the new Bush administration. Only months after they came to power, the United States experienced a new Pearl Harbor. That has never been publicized or explained as anything other than mere coincidence.

* Where the HELL is YOUR proof that Al Qaeda actually planned and carried out the attacks of 9/11?

In 4 years I have not seen a single bit of proof that Al Qaeda was involved in those events. I have seen some snap shots of Arab men at an airport. I was told a slew of things about these men. I was told that the passport of one of the alleged hijackers miraculously floated to the surface of the rubble, unscathed by the heat that had obliterated thousands. I was told way too much about these men for me to believe that the story was not prepared in advance. Two days was not sufficient time for that kind of information to be uncovered and declassified by our government. Not only did that reek of black ops, but to this day almost nothing of what we were told about he nineteen hijackers has been verified. The tape of Osama bin Laden shown by the government raised questions about the actual identity of the man in the film. As a matter of fact, I watched the so-called confession I with a person whose native is Arabic. He told me that the English translation was misleading. While he rejoiced at their success, nowhere in the tape did Osama admit involvement in the attacks!

* Where the HELL is YOUR proof that Dick Cheney was NOT conducting drills on 9/11 that paralyzed Air Force responses to the real attacks?

There is irrefutable evidence that Dick Cheney was running a completely separate chain of Command & Control via the Secret Service on the morning of 9/11, assuring the paralysis of Air Force and its ability to intercept the hijacked planes. The Secret Service has the technology to see the same radar screens the FAA sees in real time. They also have the legal authority and technological capability to take supreme command in cases of national emergency. In fact, Dick Cheney was the acting Commander in Chief on 9/11. When publicly asked about the exercises, that involved simulated attacks by hijacked planes against the WTC, Cheney refused to comment, claiming the information was classified.

* Where the HELL is YOUR proof that Tower 7 collapsed as a result of the attacks?

I have not seen even a single computer model explanation as to how or why Building 7 collapsed in the exact same manner as the two Towers that were hit by airplanes. As a matter of fact Building 7, which sustained no impact at all, was not mentioned in the Kean Commission report at all. The FEMA report of the collapse remains inconclusive, unable to offer a reasonable explanation for the collapse. Larry Silverstein, owner of the complex publicly claimed he gave permission for Tower 7 to be ‘pulled,’ a fire department term for demolished. Demolition of such a building would have required weeks, if not months of preparation. No explanation has ever been given for this baffling anomaly.

* Where the HELL is YOUR proof that ‘put’ orders placed on the two Airlines involved in the attacks were mere coincidence?

I have never seen the names of the people who placed those orders. I don’t know that their identities have been uncovered of if they have been questioned. I have not seen anyone vindicated of any foreknowledge of 9/11 after making investments that would only pay off if the specific airlines involved were to experience a drop in stock prices.

* Where the HELL is YOUR proof that Porter Goss knew nothing about $100,000 that was wired to Mohammed Atta?

I cannot fathom why the person who was sitting with Porter Goss (our current CIA Director) on the morning of 9/11, and who had wired Mohammed Atta $100,000 just prior to the event, was never investigated. This could be the smoking gun of smoking guns (if you believe that Atta was involved) that has been covered up from the start.

* Where the Hell is YOUR proof that Donald Rumsfeld did not organize an illegal military group that would “provoke terrorist attacks which would then require ‘"counter-attack" by the United States?

Here’s what I know: In the Los Angeles Times, military analyst William Arkin described a secret army set up by Donald Rumsfeld, similar to those run by Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger and which Congress outlawed. This "super-intelligence support activity" was designed to bring together the "CIA and military covert action, information warfare, and deception". According to a classified document prepared for Rumsfeld, the new organization was known as the Proactive Pre-emptive Operations Group, or P2OG. It was formed to provoke terrorist attacks which would then require "counter-attack" by the United States on countries "harboring the terrorists". Doesn’t that sound exactly like what happened on 9/11?

That’s all I have room for, so I’ll sit back and wait for someone to send me some proof, assuming that a single person out there knows where the Hell it is.

THE BOTTOM LINE

The bottom line is simple: I have not seen anything at all that makes me believe the official story of 9/11, which, when considered on its own merits, is so implausible as to be considered a bad joke. Anyone who reads David Ray Griffin’s book, The 9/11 Commission Report Omissions and Distortions, needs to go no further than the first chapter before this becomes crystal clear. At that point it becomes very difficult to decide whether to laugh at the ridiculous nature of the official story or to scream with disbelief that the American public still buys into it.

So, once again, I ask the people who refuse to explore the findings of the independent research community, - the only real investigation into the events of September 11th 2001 - where the Hell is YOUR proof?

To those of you who will try to discredit and ridicule this article on forums or in calls to right wing radio, I say this: Research the events of 9/11 in depth, come up with YOUR proof that the official version is credible, or just shut up!

You have a helluva lot of research to do before you are qualified to intelligently debate the events of 9/11 with anyone who has spent more than four years in the independent research effort. Don’t bother to cite official sources to back up your points, since most of them have been debunked. Try to understand that you can not use the authors of the official version to support their own validity. It’s a dumb tactic.

The researchers have done a great deal of valid work. They have been trying to attract your attention so that you can examine it for yourself. They are not asking you to take their word for anything…they just want you to look at and think about what has been uncovered. Do it for your own good, not theirs. Stop arguing against their credibility until you have seen what they have seen, and until you know what they know. Do some homework, then come and talk, but be prepared to show us where the Hell you found YOUR proof, and why we should believe you.

Once again, keep in mind that THE KEAN COMMISSION DID NOT CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION INTO 9/11! It was not their assignment! They were tasked with making recommendations to improve national security based on the official story. They were not asked to find out what happened. They went in with an official account of the events, and were asked to make their recommendations based on what the Bush/PNAC administration wanted the public to believe happened on that day.

Independent researchers are the only people who have investigated the events of 9/11. They have uncovered and presented mountains of evidence that totally expose the official account for what it is; a cover-up, nothing more.

If anyone takes the time to really examine that evidence - and I repeat - evidence, he or she will find something very disturbing yet highly probable. The material that has been amassed strongly suggests complicity in the events of 9/11 by rogue elements within American and foreign governments. But the evidence does NOT point directly to a government conspiracy.

It does however, point to direct involvement by several key members of the Bush/PNAC administration, acting on their own, outside the rule of law, without participation in any mysterious governmental conspiracy. Their motives have been clearly established and published by the culprits themselves and evidence of their involvement has been clearly established by independent research.

There is nothing more to be said. The information is out there for the taking. The books have been written, the speeches have been made, the documents have been posted, the documentaries have been produced and the truth has been told. That is as far as anyone doing independent research can go. All that remains is for the believers to respond.

So bring ‘em on! Let’s see if those who swear to the lies they have been told can convince anyone, even themselves that the official version of 9/11 explains to the nation and the world what really happened on that day.

So, where the Hell is YOUR proof, true believers? We’re all waiting to see.