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It's Johnny Storm AND your choice of mr. fantastic, invisible girl, ben grimm, and young franklin

VS

Jim Hammond (1st human torch) AND your choice of captain america, sub-mariner, whizzer, or miss america

let the battle begin!

At full power, Hammond takes it, even at his current diminished state, his pyrokinesis is advanced enough where he could probably give Johnny a hell of a time by messing with the latter's own flames. He doesn't mess around.

but cant johnny get hotter then hammond when he goes nova anyway?

agreed, and sub mariner is probably more powerfulkl then any of the other FF4, except maybe sue

Young Franklin is this thread. Johnny wins.

o didnt see franklyn there, he owns all

what if i take out frankie

Johnny still wins. He has the Invisible Woman.

so you think johnny and sue can beat hammond and namor? or golden age miss america?

Yep.

johnny and sue would whip miss america and the Android