Originally posted by LordFear
On what proof do you go buy to say that Doom can't accomplish the goal of plotting taking down Thanos in a month? Since you are all about the facts. What proof do you have that he CAN?
I already gave you proof of him failing with prep, or taking way longer than a month.
You have given me, "He has a month of prep, that means he wins!"
Prep is one of the dumbest things ever, unless you can come up with something he can do with it. I could easily give Thanos prep examples, but he doesn't have prep.
If your going to back a character with prep, then you have to explain what he is going to do, other than see those magical words of "prep", and "month".
Prep is irrelevent when he can't do anything with it, or has no proof of him doing it.
If you had any examples fine, but you have given me none, and it is to assume that he is just prep, with no substance to support any arguement.
Originally posted by LordFear
Second bringing other character's exploits is irrelevant to the debate. I don't care what SS did in a matter of minutes versus a human with very little knowledge on Mephisto having the balls to venture in HIS realm to save a soul. Seriously only Strange himself as a human can conistently go into his realm and come out victorious, last time I checked SS wasn't human so why try to compare apples and oranges?
You think Surfer has a lot of knowledge on Mephisto? As far as I know, he has less than Doom.
Doom has studied that realm, he has to know what he is getting into.
Surfer just basically knows that he is a demon, and he has his own realm.
Don't you see in comics, it matters not if he is a human, or an alien? Does that mean that Reed isn't comparable to a Skrull just because he is human, even though Reed is smarter?
Originally posted by LordFear
Then you argue that Thanos failed only once right? Well the simple fact that he FAILED is my point. The guy can't boast a hundred percent win therefore he is pegged down and hence can be taken down with the right planning and tools. That is absolutely irrelevent, and not to mention completely redicules.
You know Spectre has failed don't you? LT has failed. Eternity has failed. Galactus has failed.
So Doom can take them down, or even make it relevent in a battle with them?
Thanos failing to get Death's love has nothing to do with a battle... at all!
You still don't get it do you?
YOU brought up Doom with prep trying to get his mother's soul. He failed at that with prep. So you brought up something in which Doom failed at with prep. I never mentioned his past failures (until you mentioned Thanos's). I only saw the one that you mentioned.
Plus the fact that you are using Thanos with prep failing has nothing to do with this thread, since you know, Thanos doesn't have prep?
So next time you want to bring up Doom with prep, it's best not to bring up one in which he failed at.
Originally posted by LordFear
Let me ask you, when Thanos blasted Victor into what seemed oblivion in the IG saga(or might be Beyonder in secret wars, can't remember), his armor barely keeping him alive, that wasn't impressive to you? Oh ya it it was impressive, and in the IG, Thanos blasted him with Power Gem, and he was very much alive.
In Secret Wars, that was a future Doom (makes it irrelevent to this debate), with Galactus tech, that was keeping him alive.
Originally posted by LordFear
Victor usurping the Beyonder's power, obtainig the cube and stealing SS's power are not indicative of a character that clearly has the potential given sufficient time and planning to go against Thanos himself? Future Doom with Galactus tech, and he got special insight from something else to do so.
How long did it take him to get the Cube?
Surfer's powers are not comparable to Thanos's, and that was Doom's great plan. Also, how long did it take him do so? Plus, didn't Doom trick Surfer too (something he won't do to Thanos), instead of just outright stealing his powers?
He planned to go against Thanos, but did he?
Originally posted by LordFear
Particularly when its a Thanos who has his guards down. Victor will not only use his tech, but any other tech available on Earth, then still whatever tech from other races, possibly even stealing secrets from the Baxter building itself from Reed's lab and if given time trying to understand Thanos's technology AND having his sorcery as a backup. I mean Victor will come packing and will come very very well prepared. Why would Thanos have his guard down? I don't get that one at all.
He has a month to get his own prep, any other prep on Earth, prep from other planets, and he is going to steal all of the Baxter Building's secrets, along with Reed's, plus he is going to have his own sorcery into the mix?
Ya right, when we see Doom do that within a month, he'll have his own long running series (or it will happen in a What-If).
He might come very well prepared, but he is NOT doing what you just said.