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Marvels protector of the universe vs the Green Lantern. Now I know there are about 7,000 different version of Green Lantern and Im not talking about Hal after he became the Specter.

But the average Green Lantern (Say John Stewert) vs Quasar.
Both practically have the same type of powers with the ability to do all sorts of tricks and create things with their Rings and Quantum bands. So who is more powerful??

Quasar.

Greeeeeeeeeeeeeen Lateeeeeeeeeeeern! In Brightest day or Blackest night. I shall let no evil escape my sight! Let those who worship evils might beware my power green Lanterns light!

well the ugly ginger haired one was knocked out by bat man with one punch

your talking about Guy Gardener...he sucked.

no the ginger haired ugly green lantern

Guy was the one that Batman knocked out...Guy had the bowl cut haircut.

yeah that one

Guy is the one your referring too Bro.

Green Lantern wins.

YES.

Indeed.

quasar's constructs last longer and he doesn't need to recharge...... he kicks GL butt

green lantern

GL has much more power than Quasar's constructs. And GL only needs to recharge every few days or so. It's not a factor in this battle.

Quasar's constructs and concussive force beams are very strong, i give him chances to beat GL, he has great experience and his one of the most underrated guys in MU.When the FF4 were going to fight Abraxas on the moon, Reed Richards says Captain Marvel (Genis Vell, the 3rd CM), MoonDragon, Quasar, Silver Surfer, are 4 between the universe strongest beings.

Quasar wins. He doesn't need willpower in order to create his contructs. Distract or beat him up, they're still there. Plus they're quite strong... Hulk couldn't smash through it, neither could Wolverine cut through it.

Green Lantern's ring once contained a supernova. An exploding star. Quasar isn't in his league.

Quasar once drained the Infinity Gauntlet, surprising Thanos.

And GL's ring restored the Oa Source. Which is the Infinity Gauntlet times two.

Infinity x 2 = Infinity

???? The Infinity Gauntlet is just a misnomer. And don't be a smartass. Only I'M the smartass.

Depends of who is using the GL Ring.
Kyle Rainer=Quasar wins
Hal Jordan=hard to say

Double. Infinity.

Well the Q bands are pretty comparable to the GL ring in terms of power...I believe it was mentioned somewhere they have the potential of a sun when used properly...anyway this battle could go either way..I have to agree that Hal would probably have a better chance of winning than Kyle..I think Quasar would totally school Kyle..

Quasar with all the powers as captain mar-vell and the power cosmic who are you gonna bet on

Don't tell me you serious believe this Draco69. The powers of the Oa isn't even close to the Infinity Gauntlet. Parallax absorbed all of its powers and was nowhere near Thanos with the Gauntlet.

Thanos beat Eternity without a sweat. It doesn't take much willpower, just wishes, for the Gauntlet to work. A cosmic bridgade - consisting of Galactus, 2 Celetials (one of them The One Above All Celestials), Love, Hate, Chaos, Order, Stranger, Chronos, Mepshito, and Death - was turn catatonic in more than a bit of a gesture by the Titan. Zero Hour Parallax doesn't have a feat to compare to that.

Even Ion isn't a match for the Gauntlet. Time, Space, Reality, Power, Mind, & Soul all fall under the Infinity Gauntlet's control. Ion is chump change to Thanos w/ the Infinity Gauntlet. That is unless you think Ion can beat Eternity so easily as Thanos did.

???? since when did Galactus empowered Qusuar with the power cosmic that he only gives his Herarlds. And Qusuar got Captain Marvels powers as well? either someone is confused of I missed a big one somehwere.

any if that is the case this question is more of a Quantum bands "vs" GL ring then

Quasar

Parallax seemed at least equal to the IG since he could also recreate reality.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Don't tell me you serious believe this Draco69. The powers of the Oa isn't even close to the Infinity Gauntlet. Parallax absorbed all of its powers and was nowhere near Thanos with the Gauntlet.

Thanos beat Eternity without a sweat. It doesn't take much willpower, just wishes, for the Gauntlet to work. A cosmic bridgade - consisting of Galactus, 2 Celetials (one of them The One Above All Celestials), Love, Hate, Chaos, Order, Stranger, Chronos, Mepshito, and Death - was turn catatonic in more than a bit of a gesture by the Titan. Zero Hour Parallax doesn't have a feat to compare to that.

Even Ion isn't a match for the Gauntlet. Time, Space, Reality, Power, Mind, & Soul all fall under the Infinity Gauntlet's control. Ion is chump change to Thanos w/ the Infinity Gauntlet. That is unless you think Ion can beat Eternity so easily as Thanos did. Destroying and recreating EVERYTHING THAT EVER WAS doesn't equate to beating up a couple of people to you?

Get that shit out of here.

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Quasar once drained the Infinity Gauntlet, surprising Thanos.

When was this?

I know of a time where Quasar tried, but wasnt able to.

Originally posted by Mider
Parallax seemed at least equal to the IG since he could also recreate reality.

Can it have total control over all soul
or time
or mind

If not, then it's not really equal...

Quasar. He has mastery over all forms of energy and if he doesn't really feel like fighting he could dispere all of Gl's constructs by sending an out of phase wave or simply drain the rings of their energy.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Quasar. He has mastery over all forms of energy and if he doesn't really feel like fighting he could dispere all of Gl's constructs by sending an out of phase wave or simply drain the rings of their energy.

This is true.
He would have control over GL's energy.
Quasar controls all energy except the Darkforce energy.
He OWNS his own dimension.
He can hang out in the heart of a supernova.
He has beaten watchers, abstracts, and even shrugged off a blast from Galactus.
He disintegrated Thanos while he had the IG.

The only GL that would have a chance is Hal Jordan. And that is because he is Hal Jordan.

Quasar drains the gl ring or just sends him to the quantum zone.

Quasar wins 9/10

he has power over power cosmic. cus GL energy aint part of the EM spectrum i thought that Quasar could only control the EM energy. GL energy is kinda like magic. and he could escape the Q zone with his ring's interdimensional travel capabilities.

Originally posted by Horrificus
The only GL that would have a chance is Hal Jordan. And that is because he is Hal Jordan.
Ugh. This seriously drives me crazy.

i agree. it's doubtful q could drain it. it's like . . . living willpower. i fancy it as more a 'mental' energy than anything else, though that's my own interpretation. to me, it'd be like q draining xavier's telepathic power, which he couldn't do.

not just any gl takes q though, but the most powerful could do it. hal certainly is capable.

Originally posted by Validus
Ugh. This seriously drives me crazy.



Originally posted by Horrificus
This is true.
He would have control over GL's energy.
Quasar controls all energy except the Darkforce energy.
He OWNS his own dimension.
He can hang out in the heart of a supernova.
He has beaten watchers, abstracts, and even shrugged off a blast from Galactus.
He disintegrated Thanos while he had the IG.

The only GL that would have a chance is Hal Jordan. And that is because he is Hal Jordan.

no proof he'd drain gl. he didn't seem able to drain dr. spectrum's energy. spec was also able to penetrate q's shields. LOTS of beings have penetrated his shields.

q controls 'all' energies except darkforce . . . and magic, and telepathic energy and soul gem power and whatever energy death urge is made out of. and of course kinetic energy (heheh -- if gl IS in trouble, he just ports in flash who steals his kinetic energy then cuts off his hands ala maelstrom!)

wherever q dumps him, gl could return from.

q never 'beat' a watcher. he DID tangle with him and had a pretty good showing just standing up to him. ultimately though it was q AND the stranger battling the watcher AND the watcher still killed HIMSELF. and that fight was ludicrous -- a watcher . . . PUNCHING??! not the best writing in the world . . .

not sure which abstract you're talking about. certainly not oblivion -- least not on his own. in that battle he was given a quantum force body to fight with after maelstrom cut off his hands and took his bands. and i'm not sure what issue you're talking about where he blew up thanos. where was that?

on the other side of teh equation, q has also been ko'd by quantum and had his powers shut off by aquarian who helped him eventually defeat quantum. he obviously couldn't control aquarian's null energy either and i mentioned dr sprectrum and his success against q.

all that's not to say q isn't powerful -- he certainly is. but there are ALWAYS more sides to debate and it's why using respect threads aren't always a great idea -- they don't tell the whole story.

and it is far from certain that q could drain the ring -- given that the ring is NOT a standard EM energy (is actually solidified willpower) in fact, i'd say the liklihood was minimal at best. and if a knock off like spectrum gets through his shielding, think what someone like hal might be able to do.

Well, it comes to this. Can a GL ring do anything against Imperiex? Imperiex is about at Galactus, and I think that Quasar has stalemated Galactus before.

Originally posted by leonidas


no proof he'd drain gl. he didn't seem able to drain dr. spectrum's energy. spec was also able to penetrate q's shields. LOTS of beings have penetrated his shields.

lot's of beings like who aside from the one you've mention?

Or it's probably lot's of beings at once..

inhumans

http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv1334102dn.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv1334116pm.jpg

entire earth

http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar120080cz.jpg

...
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38109xt.jpg

http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38117yr.jpg
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38120vn.jpg
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38137pe.jpg
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38147lm.jpg
...

http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar032126xd.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas q controls 'all' energies except darkforce . . . and magic, and telepathic energy and soul gem power and whatever energy death urge is made out of. and of course kinetic energy (heheh -- if gl IS in trouble, he just ports in flash who steals his kinetic energy then cuts off his hands ala maelstrom!)

kinetic enery

http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ttpps0890ch.jpg

what are they gonna do, yank and pull?

vs. deathhurge

http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar02200id.jpg

http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar02215nx.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas wherever q dumps him, gl could return from.

and vice versa

Originally posted by leonidas q never 'beat' a watcher. he DID tangle with him and had a pretty good showing just standing up to him. ultimately though it was q AND the stranger battling the watcher AND the watcher still killed HIMSELF. and that fight was ludicrous -- a watcher . . . PUNCHING??! not the best writing in the world . . .

http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150139xy.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150140jg.jpg
http://img110.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img110&image=vswatcher2.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150171cq.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150185fi.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150195up.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas not sure which abstract you're talking about. certainly not oblivion -- least not on his own. in that battle he was given a quantum force body to fight with after maelstrom cut off his hands and took his bands. and i'm not sure what issue you're talking about where he blew up thanos. where was that?

http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fantasticfour522154hj.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fantasticfour522201ap.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fantasticfour522219sf.jpg

creates a machine that just sucked galactus dry...

vs. entrophy

http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37162tk.jpg
http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37173xq.jpg
http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37207bn.jpg
http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37210lj.jpg
http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37224mw.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37230nj.jpg

And if i'm not mistaken, Quasar returns after that and battles a Maelstorm anomaly version then battles him being the avatar of Oblivion and won...


Originally posted by leonidas on the other side of teh equation, q has also been ko'd by quantum and had his powers shut off by aquarian who helped him eventually defeat quantum. he obviously couldn't control aquarian's null energy either and i mentioned dr sprectrum and his success against q.

Aquarian's power is to nullify power....so? Could you honestly say Gl won't either?


Originally posted by leonidas and it is far from certain that q could drain the ring -- given that the ring is NOT a standard EM energy (is actually solidified willpower) in fact, i'd say the liklihood was minimal at best. and if a knock off like spectrum gets through his shielding, think what someone like hal might be able to do.

solidified willpower.....er....doesn't it come from the source or something and didn't someone who could tamper with the Em spectrum just tampered with a GL energy before. Willpower is probably just the catalyst to access the power of the ring and if it was indeed willpower, they wouldn't need to recharge it with their lanterns considering willpower comes from one's self. Maybe it's just a rumor but i'll research on it.

And also, Quasar has manipulated other energies that are not from the EM spectrum. He has against anti-matter, power cosmic, magic, an infinity gem, etc.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
lot's of beings like who aside from the one you've mention?

Or it's probably lot's of beings at once..

inhumans

http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv1334102dn.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv1334116pm.jpg

entire earth

http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar120080cz.jpg

...
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38109xt.jpg

http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38117yr.jpg
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38120vn.jpg
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38137pe.jpg
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38147lm.jpg
...

http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar032126xd.jpg



kinetic enery

http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ttpps0890ch.jpg

what are they gonna do, yank and pull?

vs. deathhurge

http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar02200id.jpg

http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar02215nx.jpg



and vice versa



http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150139xy.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150140jg.jpg
http://img110.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img110&image=vswatcher2.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150171cq.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150185fi.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150195up.jpg



http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fantasticfour522154hj.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fantasticfour522201ap.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fantasticfour522219sf.jpg

creates a machine that just sucked galactus dry...

vs. entrophy

http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37162tk.jpg
http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37173xq.jpg
http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37207bn.jpg
http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37210lj.jpg
http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37224mw.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37230nj.jpg

And if i'm not mistaken, Quasar returns after that and battles a Maelstorm anomaly version then battles him being the avatar of Oblivion and won...




Aquarian's power is to nullify power....so? Could you honestly say Gl won't either?




solidified willpower.....er....doesn't it come from the source or something and didn't someone who could tamper with the Em spectrum just tampered with a GL energy before. Maybe it's just a rumor but i'll research on it.

And also, Quasar has manipulated other energies that are not from the EM spectrum. He has against anti-matter, power cosmic, magic, an infinity gem, etc.


Thank you. They just don't get it. He is one of the most powerful characters. Period. His powers are kind of simple, but with a little thought and creativity, he is bad as hell.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
he has power over power cosmic. cus GL energy aint part of the EM spectrum i thought that Quasar could only control the EM energy. GL energy is kinda like magic. and he could escape the Q zone with his ring's interdimensional travel capabilities.

He can manipulate ALL energy in the universe, except Darkforce.

Originally posted by leonidas
i agree. it's doubtful q could drain it. it's like . . . living willpower. i fancy it as more a 'mental' energy than anything else, though that's my own interpretation. to me, it'd be like q draining xavier's telepathic power, which he couldn't do.

not just any gl takes q though, but the most powerful could do it. hal certainly is capable.

If this is true, why was Hal Jordan able to fire the green energy at a specific velocity to cause it to shift to yellow, and break through the shield of the yellow power ring?

In other words, why did the gren power behave like "light"?

I guess this is why these two didn't go at it in JLA/Avengers, no one would agree on the outcome, I can't come up with a single point why either of these guys should, win I see them just cancelling each other out. I mean it's the classic story of physics (quantum energy) vs metaphysics (emerald energy) you tell me... but I'm sure your guess is as good as mine. I would pull more on the side of the quantum zone because it seems to be more a limitless power source, but the thing is neither of these guys are immortal... a true test of the bands vs the ring is to give the ring to somone that can stay awake for months like Superman, and give bands to someone like Thanos who doesn't require rest either and see who wins, using only the objects in question, and not all of their power... the ring would run out of juice far and the bands wouldn't. I am still pondering over which one is more powerful, I have seen Lobo, and big blue break out of the rings power, and saw Wonder Woman do the same to the Q- bands... I just keep coming up with short term stalemate long term Q-bands win.

^ Yeah, they didn't go head to head in JLA/Avengers, but on the cover, they have the Green Lantern fighting Iron Man. What a bunch of jerks.

Quasar takes this one easily.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
lot's of beings like who aside from the one you've mention?

Or it's probably lot's of beings at once..

inhumans

http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv1334102dn.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv1334116pm.jpg

entire earth

http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar120080cz.jpg

...
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38109xt.jpg

http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38117yr.jpg
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38120vn.jpg
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38137pe.jpg
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38147lm.jpg
...

http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar032126xd.jpg



kinetic enery

http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ttpps0890ch.jpg

what are they gonna do, yank and pull?

vs. deathhurge

http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar02200id.jpg

http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar02215nx.jpg



and vice versa



http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150139xy.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150140jg.jpg
http://img110.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img110&image=vswatcher2.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150171cq.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150185fi.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150195up.jpg



http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fantasticfour522154hj.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fantasticfour522201ap.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fantasticfour522219sf.jpg

creates a machine that just sucked galactus dry...

vs. entrophy

http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37162tk.jpg
http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37173xq.jpg
http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37207bn.jpg
http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37210lj.jpg
http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37224mw.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37230nj.jpg

And if i'm not mistaken, Quasar returns after that and battles a Maelstorm anomaly version then battles him being the avatar of Oblivion and won...




Aquarian's power is to nullify power....so? Could you honestly say Gl won't either?




solidified willpower.....er....doesn't it come from the source or something and didn't someone who could tamper with the Em spectrum just tampered with a GL energy before. Willpower is probably just the catalyst to access the power of the ring and if it was indeed willpower, they wouldn't need to recharge it with their lanterns considering willpower comes from one's self. Maybe it's just a rumor but i'll research on it.

And also, Quasar has manipulated other energies that are not from the EM spectrum. He has against anti-matter, power cosmic, magic, an infinity gem, etc.

wow

amazing post

this should be chronicled.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
lot's of beings like who aside from the one you've mention?

Or it's probably lot's of beings at once..

inhumans

http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv1334102dn.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv1334116pm.jpg

entire earth

http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar120080cz.jpg

...
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38109xt.jpg

http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38117yr.jpg
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38120vn.jpg
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38137pe.jpg
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar38147lm.jpg
...

http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar032126xd.jpg



kinetic enery

http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ttpps0890ch.jpg

what are they gonna do, yank and pull?

vs. deathhurge

http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar02200id.jpg

http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar02215nx.jpg



and vice versa



http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150139xy.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150140jg.jpg
http://img110.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img110&image=vswatcher2.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150171cq.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150185fi.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar150195up.jpg



http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fantasticfour522154hj.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fantasticfour522201ap.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fantasticfour522219sf.jpg

creates a machine that just sucked galactus dry...

vs. entrophy

http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37162tk.jpg
http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37173xq.jpg
http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37207bn.jpg
http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37210lj.jpg
http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37224mw.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar37230nj.jpg

And if i'm not mistaken, Quasar returns after that and battles a Maelstorm anomaly version then battles him being the avatar of Oblivion and won...




Aquarian's power is to nullify power....so? Could you honestly say Gl won't either?




solidified willpower.....er....doesn't it come from the source or something and didn't someone who could tamper with the Em spectrum just tampered with a GL energy before. Willpower is probably just the catalyst to access the power of the ring and if it was indeed willpower, they wouldn't need to recharge it with their lanterns considering willpower comes from one's self. Maybe it's just a rumor but i'll research on it.

And also, Quasar has manipulated other energies that are not from the EM spectrum. He has against anti-matter, power cosmic, magic, an infinity gem, etc.



and? how exactly does any of that contradicted anything i said?

no, not lots of beings at one: the creature from promethea (project prometheus? -- i could check the name later) was able to dissolve his shields and aura with something like acid. quantum was able to constrict it and eventually ko him with physical force. that weird triangle guy sliced through his shields. jack of hearts ko'd him while both were inside a quantum sphere. d'urge sliced through his shielding. it was more his attitude than his power that let him beat d'urge. ghostrider has done the same thing and dr strange dismissed d'urge as if he were meaningless.

the kinetic energy scan doesn't work. if he could do that, how'd maelstrom cut his hands off? the d'urge scan means that he could battle him. he didn't 'control' the energy of d'urge as he has with other foes. he was also held in the crimson bands and needed excalibre to get him out.

i never claimed gl would dump hi somewhere to win.

your watcher scans proved my point. he didn't win. he had a good showing. the watcher was an idiot and the stranger showed up. at the end the watcher kills himself.

entropy win was simply him out-thinking the creature. contemplator could have done the same thing. it had nothing to do with his actual power. a gl could certainly have been smart enough to do the same. that was plot driven, not power-based.

and the battery gathers willpower from all over the universe which the gl's use as far as the impurity, it was part of the rings, part of the battery. why wouldn't he be able to convert it to that if that's what he wanted? it's already in the ring and source.

you told me nothing new and showed nothing new. and beating galactus? so has alpha flight and doom, and . . . .

Originally posted by GODSCRIBE
Quasar takes this one easily.
Easily? I doubt that.

But I believe he will win more than Gl , just the nature of his powers.

And the absorbing of energy has always been on the side of Quasar who has absorbed energy from other energy wielder and absorbers.

While Gl have a record for getting there energy jacked.

And in Fire Power Quasar is as good as any GL

Good fight

Originally posted by leonidas


and? how exactly does any of that contradicted anything i said?

no, not lots of beings at one: the creature from promethea (project prometheus? -- i could check the name later) was able to dissolve his shields and aura with something like acid. quantum was able to constrict it and eventually ko him with physical force. that weird triangle guy sliced through his shields. jack of hearts ko'd him while both were inside a quantum sphere. d'urge sliced through his shielding. it was more his attitude than his power that let him beat d'urge. ghostrider has done the same thing and dr strange dismissed d'urge as if he were meaningless.

I checked MU master list for the obscure and can't find Promethea and D'urge but i'll check even more. Are you sure of the sp or the name, i can search their appearances.

As for GR, i can't recall anything he did against him considering he's one of his allies, even tried to avenge him while he was supposedly killed. But i'll review that.

As for Quantum and Jack of hearts. Those might be high showings for them cause Quazes owns them a lot... Quantum even tried multiplying

http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar040105bd.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar040119hk.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar040120au.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar040151zw.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar040163qv.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar040212hn.jpg

jack of hearts

http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar190170sa.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar190185uy.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar190194pn.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar190209ll.jpg

2nd time

http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar190209ll.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar29054ig.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar29079fk.jpg


from rorscharch's scans btw...

Originally posted by leonidas
the kinetic energy scan doesn't work. if he could do that, how'd maelstrom cut his hands off? the d'urge scan means that he could battle him. he didn't 'control' the energy of d'urge as he has with other foes. he was also held in the crimson bands and needed excalibre to get him out.

Dude, are you sure there's a d'urge or his name is d'urge. Maybe it's deathurge or just wrong spelling of his name. If it is Deathurge i already posted a link to a scan from him. Maybe Quasar was just caught off guard not to mention the fact that he's a high end herald by Anomaly. Anyway, how did you know it was a kinetic energy scan?

and as for Maelstorm not getting that treatment.. For the same reasons why Thanos W/ IG didn't work on him, because he was beyond the scope of their powers during that time. By gaining the state of anomaly, he was literally immune to anything they could dish.

Originally posted by leonidas
i never claimed gl would dump hi somewhere to win.

i never say you did... that was merely a point to emphasize that attacks of that nature wouldn't really work on an energy manipulator of their level.

Originally posted by leonidas
your watcher scans proved my point. he didn't win. he had a good showing. the watcher was an idiot and the stranger showed up. at the end the watcher kills himself.

Quasar was owning him badly there and even bid for both of them to calm down. Just because he didn't finish the fight means that he can't w/o help from the Stranger. Stranger was even curious if he attacked the watcher and quasar replied that it was only in self-defense while the Watcher was on the ground kneeling. His showings against people like that are consistent and rightfully justifies his title as protector of the universe.

oh and here's his constructs lasting even remotely away from him without need to keep concentration showing it's difference from GL constructs - from rorscharc's respect thread

http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersinfinity01046qu.jpg


Originally posted by leonidas
entropy win was simply him out-thinking the creature. contemplator could have done the same thing. it had nothing to do with his actual power. a gl could certainly have been smart enough to do the same. that was plot driven, not power-based.

riiight, that's what they all say. It took brains and resolve to come up with a solution in that matter. The only earth GL i know who can ponder up a solution with that kind of problem would be John, Hal and Kyle are basically good for 1 on 1 confrontation instead.

Originally posted by leonidas
and the battery gathers willpower from all over the universe which the gl's use as far as the impurity, it was part of the rings, part of the battery. why wouldn't he be able to convert it to that if that's what he wanted? it's already in the ring and source.

No it doesn't. Energy comes from the source and Willpower is gathered by that energy for that use you've just mentioned. No where it states it's the same power they actually use for their usual applications.

Originally posted by leonidas
you told me nothing new and showed nothing new. and beating galactus? so has alpha flight and doom, and . . . .

and taking on the whole Squadron Supreme?
or defeating 4 other previous wielders of the quantum bands?
or absorbing ego prime?
or rachel phoenix back from his non-jobber, galactus pwning days?

(yes, scans are available for those from the Quasar Respect thread)

you saying that's generic and other can do it? Probably if their really up there in the scale. You can disregard anything that i post(as if you haven't), but that won't change facts here.

showed you nothing new?.....pffft

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
I checked MU master list for the obscure and can't find Promethea and D'urge but i'll check even more. Are you sure of the sp or the name, i can search their appearances.

As for GR, i can't recall anything he did against him considering he's one of his allies, even tried to avenge him while he was supposedly killed. But i'll review that.

As for Quantum and Jack of hearts. Those might be high showings for them cause Quazes owns them a lot... Quantum even tried multiplying

http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar040105bd.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar040119hk.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar040120au.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar040151zw.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar040163qv.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar040212hn.jpg

jack of hearts

http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar190170sa.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar190185uy.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar190194pn.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar190209ll.jpg

2nd time

http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar190209ll.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar29054ig.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar29079fk.jpg


from rorscharch's scans btw...



Dude, are you sure there's a d'urge or his name is d'urge. Maybe it's deathurge or just wrong spelling of his name. If it is Deathurge i already posted a link to a scan from him. Maybe Quasar was just caught off guard not to mention the fact that he's a high end herald by Anomaly. Anyway, how did you know it was a kinetic energy scan?

and as for Maelstorm not getting that treatment.. For the same reasons why Thanos W/ IG didn't work on him, because he was beyond the scope of their powers during that time. By gaining the state of anomaly, he was literally immune to anything they could dish.



i never say you did... that was merely a point to emphasize that attacks of that nature wouldn't really work on an energy manipulator of their level.



Quasar was owning him badly there and even bid for both of them to calm down. Just because he didn't finish the fight means that he can't w/o help from the Stranger. Stranger was even curious if he attacked the watcher and quasar replied that it was only in self-defense while the Watcher was on the ground kneeling. His showings against people like that are consistent and rightfully justifies his title as protector of the universe.

oh and here's his constructs lasting even remotely away from him without need to keep concentration showing it's difference from GL constructs - from rorscharc's respect thread

http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersinfinity01046qu.jpg




riiight, that's what they all say. It took brains and resolve to come up with a solution in that matter. The only earth GL i know who can ponder up a solution with that kind of problem would be John, Hal and Kyle are basically good for 1 on 1 confrontation instead.



No it doesn't. Energy comes from the source and Willpower is gathered by that energy for that use you've just mentioned. No where it states it's the same power they actually use for their usual applications.



and taking on the whole Squadron Supreme?
or defeating 4 other previous wielders of the quantum bands?
or absorbing ego prime?
or rachel phoenix back from his non-jobber, galactus pwning days?

(yes, scans are available for those from the Quasar Respect thread)

you saying that's generic and other can do it? Probably if their really up there in the scale. You can disregard anything that i post(as if you haven't), but that won't change facts here.

showed you nothing new?.....pffft

you seem to be under the impression i'm attacking YOU. i'm not. but i ask the same question i asked horrificus -- have you READ the issues in question, or just used the respect thread? context is all-important.

joh ko's q right after that scan you showed of q absorbing him. after absorbing, q puts them both in a sphere to contain him, joh blasts and ko's him.

the aquarian issue is also where quantum ko's q. q beats him with aquarian's assistance.

and you're right -- by d'urge i meant death urge -- my bad -- just too long to spell all the time. and he is an energy being, but q cannot absorb him like he does other energy-type beings so d'urge is also outside his influence. the scan i was mentioning was labelled KINETIC ENERGY, so i thought that's what it was trying to show . . .

i'm unclear what you mean here:

<<and as for Maelstorm not getting that treatment.. For the same reasons why Thanos W/ IG didn't work on him, because he was beyond the scope of their powers during that time. By gaining the state of anomaly, he was literally immune to anything they could dish.>>

we could have a whole long discussion why the IG didn't work on maelstrom, and none of the explanations would make much sense. death, infinity and eternity were all under it's influence. why wouldn't oblivion be? anyway, that's a topic (and a good one) for another day -- or thread, at least.

i said he had a good showing against the watcher. impossible to say he'd have won alone. stranger did help him, and the watcher DID kill himself at the end. and the watcher WAS written abominably . . .

as for his beating the anomaly: point is the win wasn't power-based. given how he was beaten, batman could do the same. any gl written well could do it.

you're wrong about the gl energy, btw. read rebirth. the energy of 'willpower' is green, and willpower is gathered by the battery from all over the universe.

he held his own against a couple squadron guys. spectrum pierced his shields. when he realized how many there were he called for help. that's the thing with respect threads -- they don't tell the whole story.

he had a good showing against rachel -- didn't beat her. thor ko'd her with a shot -- absorbed the full bolt and blasted her with it, ko'ing her. thor>q as regards energy?

no sure what i 'disregraded'. i clarified and refuted. and no, there really was nothing new. i've seen the respect thread, i KNOW some of it is skewed and out of context. i can post some scans later of some of the things i said and about the creature that dissolved his shields..

OF COURSE QUASAR HE KO'D THE WATCHER

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
OF COURSE QUASAR HE KO'D THE WATCHER

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
I checked MU master list for the obscure and can't find Promethea and D'urge but i'll check even more. Are you sure of the sp or the name, i can search their appearances.

As for GR, i can't recall anything he did against him considering he's one of his allies, even tried to avenge him while he was supposedly killed. But i'll review that.

As for Quantum and Jack of hearts. Those might be high showings for them cause Quazes owns them a lot... Quantum even tried multiplying

http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar040105bd.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar040119hk.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar040120au.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar040151zw.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar040163qv.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar040212hn.jpg

jack of hearts

http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar190170sa.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar190185uy.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar190194pn.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar190209ll.jpg

2nd time

http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar190209ll.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar29054ig.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar29079fk.jpg


from rorscharch's scans btw...



Dude, are you sure there's a d'urge or his name is d'urge. Maybe it's deathurge or just wrong spelling of his name. If it is Deathurge i already posted a link to a scan from him. Maybe Quasar was just caught off guard not to mention the fact that he's a high end herald by Anomaly. Anyway, how did you know it was a kinetic energy scan?

and as for Maelstorm not getting that treatment.. For the same reasons why Thanos W/ IG didn't work on him, because he was beyond the scope of their powers during that time. By gaining the state of anomaly, he was literally immune to anything they could dish.



i never say you did... that was merely a point to emphasize that attacks of that nature wouldn't really work on an energy manipulator of their level.



Quasar was owning him badly there and even bid for both of them to calm down. Just because he didn't finish the fight means that he can't w/o help from the Stranger. Stranger was even curious if he attacked the watcher and quasar replied that it was only in self-defense while the Watcher was on the ground kneeling. His showings against people like that are consistent and rightfully justifies his title as protector of the universe.

oh and here's his constructs lasting even remotely away from him without need to keep concentration showing it's difference from GL constructs - from rorscharc's respect thread

http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersinfinity01046qu.jpg




riiight, that's what they all say. It took brains and resolve to come up with a solution in that matter. The only earth GL i know who can ponder up a solution with that kind of problem would be John, Hal and Kyle are basically good for 1 on 1 confrontation instead.



No it doesn't. Energy comes from the source and Willpower is gathered by that energy for that use you've just mentioned. No where it states it's the same power they actually use for their usual applications.



and taking on the whole Squadron Supreme?
or defeating 4 other previous wielders of the quantum bands?
or absorbing ego prime?
or rachel phoenix back from his non-jobber, galactus pwning days?

(yes, scans are available for those from the Quasar Respect thread)

you saying that's generic and other can do it? Probably if their really up there in the scale. You can disregard anything that i post(as if you haven't), but that won't change facts here.

showed you nothing new?.....pffft

clapping

Originally posted by leonidas
you seem to be under the impression i'm attacking YOU. i'm not. but i ask the same question i asked horrificus -- have you READ the issues in question, or just used the respect thread? context is all-important.

joh ko's q right after that scan you showed of q absorbing him. after absorbing, q puts them both in a sphere to contain him, joh blasts and ko's him.

yes i have. It's either Quasar #4 or West Coast Avengers#12 if i'm not mistaken. I never said anything about him not doing it. I said "it was a mighty high showing for him and jack of hearts to do that". I only posted the scan cause he was obviously at the helm of the fight till he tried to contain him.

Originally posted by leonidas
the aquarian issue is also where quantum ko's q. q beats him with aquarian's assistance.

and as we can see in the scans quantum has been bested there...

Originally posted by leonidas
and you're right -- by d'urge i meant death urge -- my bad -- just too long to spell all the time. and he is an energy being, but q cannot absorb him like he does other energy-type beings so d'urge is also outside his influence. the scan i was mentioning was labelled KINETIC ENERGY, so i thought that's what it was trying to show . . .

Yeah i got the impression of that. In truth, i wouldn't have question that but only because Deathurge is oblivion's herald and i don't really know if he's composed exactly of energy or whatever he is. What i do know is that he is really way up there as far as power level goes. I dunno about his tussle with Dr. Strange though but the doctor pwns people like that anyway. The one that i saw was with his appearance with Doc is getting a sneak attack at him but the arrow didn't manage to get past his auto shields.l

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm unclear what you mean here:

<<and as for Maelstorm not getting that treatment.. For the same reasons why Thanos W/ IG didn't work on him, because he was beyond the scope of their powers during that time. By gaining the state of anomaly, he was literally immune to anything they could dish.>>

yeah i was a bit wrong with that. I wasn't in fact that he can't be affected but...





Originally posted by leonidas
we could have a whole long discussion why the IG didn't work on maelstrom, and none of the explanations would make much sense. death, infinity and eternity were all under it's influence. why wouldn't oblivion be? anyway, that's a topic (and a good one) for another day -- or thread, at least.

yep. I'll just put a brief summary quoted from marvunapp



Originally posted by leonidas
i said he had a good showing against the watcher. impossible to say he'd have won alone. stranger did help him, and the watcher DID kill himself at the end. and the watcher WAS written abominably . . .

Thing is though, if you look at the scans, Quasar could've finished him right there if not for the fact that he have to be good and let him recover to ask for a truce. And as for bad writing, quasar pwns people along with his state so i think it's pretty consistent he can do something like that otherwise he wouldn't really be worthy of his moniker.

Originally posted by leonidas
as for his beating the anomaly: point is the win wasn't power-based. given how he was beaten, batman could do the same. any gl written well could do it.

It wasn't. But i never intended to place it here to prove a point anyway. considering both Maelstorm and Quasar in that issue (quasar #25) became respective entities of Infinity and Oblivion. But the issue prior to that, have him killed while quasar was on the astral plane and revealed in 25 also was an anomaly. And no, batman couldn't do the same under the same circumstance unless he had the assosciation with Origin, infinity and eon.

Originally posted by leonidas
you're wrong about the gl energy, btw. read rebirth. the energy of 'willpower' is green, and willpower is gathered by the battery from all over the universe.

Once again, is that the same energy they use. They can gather all the energy all he wants but it doesn't mean it's the one that they've been using. It comes from the source then stored from the battery. The willpower is there to prevent Parallax.

Originally posted by leonidas
he held his own against a couple squadron guys. spectrum pierced his shields. when he realized how many there were he called for help. that's the thing with respect threads -- they don't tell the whole story.

Originally posted by leonidas
he had a good showing against rachel -- didn't beat her. thor ko'd her with a shot -- absorbed the full bolt and blasted her with it, ko'ing her. thor>q as regards energy?

I never said he did. And Thor is thor, i don't really see anything bad in what he did considering he's supposed to be an all powerful god and it's about time he did something to prove it.

But if you're saying thor>q in that department, prove it. But even if he is, that ain't so bad anyway considering mjolnir is a plot device unto itself

Originally posted by leonidas
no sure what i 'disregraded'. i clarified and refuted. and no, there really was nothing new. i've seen the respect thread, i KNOW some of it is skewed and out of context. i can post some scans later of some of the things i said and about the creature that dissolved his shields..

Skewed and out context?.......it's a friggin respect thread for christ sakes. Of course it's meant to hightlight Quasar and not his enemies.

my problem with respect threads though is that they are taken as proofs entire. they shouldn't be. often there are extenuating circumstances about a scene.

anyway, you asked for a few scans to back up some of what i said. here's a few. i'd get more, but i'm too damn lazy.

first one shows he's useless against magic (not saying YOU said he could handle it, but someone else said that . . .)

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/997/crimsonbands6pq.th.jpg

here's that PEGASUS creature i mentioned (sorry, i knew i f'd the name . . .) eating through his shields. later he also eats through his aura but q gets out before any real damage is done.

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/9800/pegasus3be.th.jpg

these next 2 show what happened BEFORE aquarian teamed with q to beat quantum . . .

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/609/quantum16xs.th.jpg

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/5100/quantum22iy.th.jpg

this is against souleater -- a powwerful creature composed of psychis energy. another energy type q can't control or affect. he won by getting the souls the made him up revolt against souleater. q is clever and smart, no doubt.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9148/souleater8fp.th.jpg

this shows the 2 squadron members q faced before he called for mak to help him. spectrum does a good number on his shield. even whizzer causes some trouble . . .

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/7250/spectrum0ip.th.jpg

here's another bizarre charcater able to slice through his shields and constructs.

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/681/triangle0gc.th.jpg

and finally his twin defeats at warlock's hands where he says he is unable to control the soul gem energy. as further proof that it wasn't the fluke q said his first defeat was, warlock ports him to the mental plane and toys with him for a while before allowing him to return to the real world.

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/9215/warlock12to.th.jpg

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/8084/warlock28mi.th.jpg

going through to find some scans DID make me realize i like q a lot. i still see no reason to think he could drain the ring. he has loads of trouble with any energy OUTSIDE the em spectrum, and the gl ring is outside. magic. anti-matter. psionic/psychic. darkforce. infinity gems (and yes, q says he can't drain or control the IG as well. i could scan it, but then i'd have to find it again . . .) the ring IS concentrated willpower, the same energy as in the battery and is outside the em range.

oh, and i found that issue where he blows thanos up. hardly a feat i'd put on a respect thread personally. the attack did less than nothing and in the next panel thanos is taunting q again.

far as i could tell, a big difference between the 2 is that a gl can matter manipulate -- q can't. that alone might be a deciding factor. and again, if spectrum can get through his shields and not get drained . . .

it's close. i always said it was. but i still give an edge to a strong gl.

Originally posted by GODSCRIBE
clapping

do you actually MAKE arguments, or are you just a cheerleader . . . i mean, slade, gs, six. it's . . . weird. i think whirly was getting at the same thing in a different thread but he didn't ask as politely as i am.

pologies for the multi-posts, but as if on cue, a GL respect thread. the first one starts with a silly little feat like . . . STOPPING TIME.

read the thread then tell me what you think, sixth.

Originally posted by leonidas
my problem with respect threads though is that they are taken as proofs entire. they shouldn't be. often there are extenuating circumstances about a scene.

anyway, you asked for a few scans to back up some of what i said. here's a few. i'd get more, but i'm too damn lazy.

first one shows he's useless against magic (not saying YOU said he could handle it, but someone else said that . . .)

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/997/crimsonbands6pq.th.jpg

here's that PEGASUS creature i mentioned (sorry, i knew i f'd the name . . .) eating through his shields. later he also eats through his aura but q gets out before any real damage is done.

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/9800/pegasus3be.th.jpg


For the Pegasus creature affecting his shield, it's truly a bad showing on his part but it wasn't explained what exactly that corrosive was so it can be a plot device in this story.

Originally posted by leonidas
these next 2 show what happened BEFORE aquarian teamed with q to beat quantum . . .

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/609/quantum16xs.th.jpg

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/5100/quantum22iy.th.jpg

like i said, it happened right after he tried to contain them.

Originally posted by leonidas
this is against souleater -- a powwerful creature composed of psychis energy. another energy type q can't control or affect. he won by getting the souls the made him up revolt against souleater. q is clever and smart, no doubt.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9148/souleater8fp.th.jpg

he didn't manipulate it though. He said his blades/quantum energies just didn't affect it.

Originally posted by leonidas
this shows the 2 squadron members q faced before he called for mak to help him. spectrum does a good number on his shield. even whizzer causes some trouble . . .

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/7250/spectrum0ip.th.jpg

didn't i post that scan i while ago. Anyway. it didn't totally penetrate the shield. And the outcome was to his favor anyway.

http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar130087mk.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
here's another bizarre charcater able to slice through his shields and constructs.

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/681/triangle0gc.th.jpg

Well he is definitely bizarre, i'll give you that.

Originally posted by leonidas
and finally his twin defeats at warlock's hands where he says he is unable to control the soul gem energy. as further proof that it wasn't the fluke q said his first defeat was, warlock ports him to the mental plane and toys with him for a while before allowing him to return to the real world.

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/9215/warlock12to.th.jpg

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/8084/warlock28mi.th.jpg

i'll answer you with this...

http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers335163rm.jpg

http://img418.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers335175ra.jpg

ig

http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar026196tw.jpg

i'll quote it for you



the findings...inconsistent.

Originally posted by leonidas
going through to find some scans DID make me realize i like q a lot. i still see no reason to think he could drain the ring. he has loads of trouble with any energy OUTSIDE the em spectrum, and the gl ring is outside. magic. anti-matter. psionic/psychic. darkforce. infinity gems (and yes, q says he can't drain or control the IG as well. i could scan it, but then i'd have to find it again . . .) the ring IS concentrated willpower, the same energy as in the battery and is outside the em range.

GL don't also have appearances control over darkforce(which doesn't exist in DC, closest would be what shade and the shadow thief was using), magic(unless it's Sentinel), psionic(closest thing they had was the psionic blocker), etc.

As for the anti-matter

here's quasar manipulating it inside a nova

http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar034219ss.jpg
http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar034227oh.jpg

And as far as the GL energy being above the em spectrum, didn't Dr. Polaris or some other villain proved it wrong before? I can't remember but i'd look up on it. Also, PC isn't part of it yet...

http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersannual18405rd.jpg

extradimensional

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersinfinity02146lu.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
oh, and i found that issue where he blows thanos up. hardly a feat i'd put on a respect thread personally. the attack did less than nothing and in the next panel thanos is taunting q again.

Originally posted by leonidas
far as i could tell, a big difference between the 2 is that a gl can matter manipulate -- q can't. that alone might be a deciding factor. and again, if spectrum can get through his shields and not get drained . . .

it's close. i always said it was. but i still give an edge to a strong gl.

http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cospowunlim1996004420tp.jpg

alters brb back to his original form

problem with him though is that like he is practical in how he does things ala Hal. Why would he need to transmutate things when his constructs suffice.

Also, the scans that you've put were just some of the bad showings he got some through plot devices such as the corrosive stuff pegasus shot while his shield could withstand galactus blasts. Also, some of the energies that he can't manipulate can be right after he analyzed it's energy signature. GL's are not exempt from that also...

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
For the Pegasus creature affecting his shield, it's truly a bad showing on his part but it wasn't explained what exactly that corrosive was so it can be a plot device in this story.



like i said, it happened right after he tried to contain them.



he didn't manipulate it though. He said his blades/quantum energies just didn't affect it.



didn't i post that scan i while ago. Anyway. it didn't totally penetrate the shield. And the outcome was to his favor anyway.

http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar130087mk.jpg



Well he is definitely bizarre, i'll give you that.



i'll answer you with this...

http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers335163rm.jpg

http://img418.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers335175ra.jpg

ig

http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar026196tw.jpg

i'll quote it for you



the findings...inconsistent.



GL don't also have appearances control over darkforce(which doesn't exist in DC, closest would be what shade and the shadow thief was using), magic(unless it's Sentinel), psionic(closest thing they had was the psionic blocker), etc.

As for the anti-matter

here's quasar manipulating it inside a nova

http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar034219ss.jpg
http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar034227oh.jpg

And as far as the GL energy being above the em spectrum, didn't Dr. Polaris or some other villain proved it wrong before? I can't remember but i'd look up on it. Also, PC isn't part of it yet...

http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersannual18405rd.jpg

extradimensional

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersinfinity02146lu.jpg





http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cospowunlim1996004420tp.jpg

alters brb back to his original form

problem with him though is that like he is practical in how he does things ala Hal. Why would he need to transmutate things when his constructs suffice.

Also, the scans that you've put were just some of the bad showings he got some through plot devices such as the corrosive stuff pegasus shot while his shield could withstand galactus blasts. Also, some of the energies that he can't manipulate can be right after he analyzed it's energy signature. GL's are not exempt from that also...

the soul gem -- was that adam's soul gem? i know i have that issue somewhere, but don't remember which one. from the avengers? anyway, even in your scan he was ko'd for his efforts. the scans with him battling adam are also more current if i recall the arc correctly and the fact that it happened twice in battle indicates that the soul gem is beyond him.

the IG -- again, jut shows that the gems themselves are outside his control. it makes sense that, depending on the energy they release, that q could control some of it.

the anti-matter -- he was trying to shunt it by crawing it out -- he couldn't control it himself, not directly. binary actually had a better showing than he did -- he wasn't doing enough and would have failed, so binary stepped in. q has beaten binary in the past though.

q can easily cast an illusion to make an appearance of bill. it's just light afterall.

as for polaris -- not sure. someone like validus would know better. i wish i could scan rebirth, it explains the battery and its power and the ring's power quite well. not sure it's exactly a full retcon, but at least part of it is. could be that even IF the ring acted as em before, it won't anymore.

looking through that respect thread, gl cn do a lot of things q cannot. i could post a bunch of things from it, but i'll not bother. it's there for everyone to see.

decent debate, close fight, but gl's still my man.

Originally posted by leonidas
the soul gem -- was that adam's soul gem? i know i have that issue somewhere, but don't remember which one. from the avengers? anyway, even in your scan he was ko'd for his efforts. the scans with him battling adam are also more current if i recall the arc correctly and the fact that it happened twice in battle indicates that the soul gem is beyond him.

the IG -- again, jut shows that the gems themselves are outside his control. it makes sense that, depending on the energy they release, that q could control some of it.

the anti-matter -- he was trying to shunt it by crawing it out -- he couldn't control it himself, not directly. binary actually had a better showing than he did -- he wasn't doing enough and would have failed, so binary stepped in. q has beaten binary in the past though.

q can easily cast an illusion to make an appearance of bill. it's just light afterall.

as for polaris -- not sure. someone like validus would know better. i wish i could scan rebirth, it explains the battery and its power and the ring's power quite well. not sure it's exactly a full retcon, but at least part of it is. could be that even IF the ring acted as em before, it won't anymore.

looking through that respect thread, gl cn do a lot of things q cannot. i could post a bunch of things from it, but i'll not bother. it's there for everyone to see.

decent debate, close fight, but gl's still my man. Dr Light was able to control the constructs fairly recently, not sure if it was before or after the retcon, it would be cutting it close though... but he has the ability to make and control hard-light constructs himself as well. So.. I dunno.

but who wins, jun??!

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
For the Pegasus creature affecting his shield, it's truly a bad showing on his part but it wasn't explained what exactly that corrosive was so it can be a plot device in this story.



like i said, it happened right after he tried to contain them.



he didn't manipulate it though. He said his blades/quantum energies just didn't affect it.



didn't i post that scan i while ago. Anyway. it didn't totally penetrate the shield. And the outcome was to his favor anyway.

http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar130087mk.jpg



Well he is definitely bizarre, i'll give you that.



i'll answer you with this...

http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers335163rm.jpg

http://img418.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers335175ra.jpg

ig

http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar026196tw.jpg

i'll quote it for you



the findings...inconsistent.



GL don't also have appearances control over darkforce(which doesn't exist in DC, closest would be what shade and the shadow thief was using), magic(unless it's Sentinel), psionic(closest thing they had was the psionic blocker), etc.

As for the anti-matter

here's quasar manipulating it inside a nova

http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar034219ss.jpg
http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar034227oh.jpg

And as far as the GL energy being above the em spectrum, didn't Dr. Polaris or some other villain proved it wrong before? I can't remember but i'd look up on it. Also, PC isn't part of it yet...

http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersannual18405rd.jpg

extradimensional

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersinfinity02146lu.jpg





http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cospowunlim1996004420tp.jpg

alters brb back to his original form

problem with him though is that like he is practical in how he does things ala Hal. Why would he need to transmutate things when his constructs suffice.

Also, the scans that you've put were just some of the bad showings he got some through plot devices such as the corrosive stuff pegasus shot while his shield could withstand galactus blasts. Also, some of the energies that he can't manipulate can be right after he analyzed it's energy signature. GL's are not exempt from that also...

he does it again

Originally posted by Juntai
Dr Light was able to control the constructs fairly recently, not sure if it was before or after the retcon, it would be cutting it close though... but he has the ability to make and control hard-light constructs himself as well. So.. I dunno.
Yes and Quasar does that much better than Dr. Light

In any case this is a good battle in raw power.

But I have seen Gl's powers being absorbed far too often to counter a defensive move against someone who has absorbed energy far greater.

And both Gl and Quasar have tons of low showing like getting their ass kicked that people are not showing.

Originally posted by kgkg
Yes and Quasar does that much better than Dr. Light

In any case this is a good battle in raw power.

But I have seen Gl's powers being absorbed far too often to counter a defensive move against someone who has absorbed energy far greater.

And both Gl and Quasar have tons of low showing like getting their ass kicked that people are not showing. Yep. Their in a similar league, the biggest difference is GL and Quasar, is that there's 7200 GLs. lol.

Originally posted by leonidas
the soul gem -- was that adam's soul gem? i know i have that issue somewhere, but don't remember which one. from the avengers? anyway, even in your scan he was ko'd for his efforts. the scans with him battling adam are also more current if i recall the arc correctly and the fact that it happened twice in battle indicates that the soul gem is beyond him.

on the other scan, he actually replicated the infinity gem's power given the analysis of it's nature and used it accordingly. But it's not the soul gem or more appropriately adam warlock's gem. It was actually an infinity gem the collector had, but back then, they haven't developed the concept of infinity gems so they called each of them a soul gem.

Originally posted by leonidas
the IG -- again, jut shows that the gems themselves are outside his control. it makes sense that, depending on the energy they release, that q could control some of it.

It's true. I believe that's a fact that he can't manipulate it without it showing some output. But anything he has analyzed (with the exception of Darkforce and magic), he has been able to replicate and manipulate. It's only when he encounters something totally new to him which is outside the em spectrum, that he is having a hard time or almost impossiple in manipulating. But giving Epoch and him enough time, he could analyze it's energy signature and be able to manipulate it. Anyway he only struck when thanos when he did let out some output from the IG. Then manipulating it, he vaporized t's body. Too bad though, cause Thanos almost immediately reformed. I wouldn't be surprised though since his enemy was a lot higher than the god he's in allignment with(infinity)

Originally posted by leonidas
the anti-matter -- he was trying to shunt it by crawing it out -- he couldn't control it himself, not directly. binary actually had a better showing than he did -- he wasn't doing enough and would have failed, so binary stepped in. q has beaten binary in the past though.

i gotta disagree with that. He was even covered with it and was almost unaffected. he only shunted it when he was trying to save moondragon since she's vulnerable. Anyway, even if did just shunt it, it was a really high feat and also, Binary who is better than him on that dept, has already been pwned by him too.

Originally posted by leonidas
q can easily cast an illusion to make an appearance of bill. it's just light afterall.

Well he can do that, but what the heck for if he had the geniune article and who would he ask to turn his body back to the way it was? Keep in mind how long he stayed away from Asgard during that time. He also has done matter manipulation to modify a person's vocal cords before. The way i see it would be the same reason why hal just mostly uses a big fist, cause it's impratical when not necessary.

Originally posted by leonidas
as for polaris -- not sure. someone like validus would know better. i wish i could scan rebirth, it explains the battery and its power and the ring's power quite well. not sure it's exactly a full retcon, but at least part of it is. could be that even IF the ring acted as em before, it won't anymore.



Originally posted by leonidas
looking through that respect thread, gl cn do a lot of things q cannot. i could post a bunch of things from it, but i'll not bother. it's there for everyone to see.

Well it's true, no denying. Green Lanterns has done stuff showing more versatility in his feats. But keep in mind Quasar's appearance is a bit limited to judge only on that, considering GL's(collectively) have so many. If only Quasar was appearing regularly or if the previous wielders aside from that stupid marvel boy only managed to hang to it for a good while, i believe they could do something to replicate them. Also, unlike most GL's, he's winning streak against monster cosmic beings is too outstanding considering he's just the lone protector of the universe.

Originally posted by leonidas
decent debate, close fight, but gl's still my man.

Yep, my last post here too. But likewise, on Quasar instead.

After looking at both arguments, I think it's closer than I first thought.


I'd have to go with Quasar 6/10 or 7/10.

i am curious scribe -- didn't you say in the ring v bands thread that the ring was better? or did i misread that?

Originally posted by Juntai
Yep. Their in a similar league, the biggest difference is GL and Quasar, is that there's 7200 GLs. lol.
And only 5 of them are worth mentioning.........

Originally posted by thesilverspider
And only 5 of them are worth mentioning......... Nah, its just that they're the ones written about most.

Originally posted by Juntai
Nah, its just that they're the ones written about most.
no it's because there useless.........

Originally posted by thesilverspider
no it's because there useless......... You could rather be hearing the 5 foot chipmonk one? Do you propose that would sell comics?

One of the GL's is an entire planet, Mogo.

Originally posted by Juntai
You could rather be hearing the 5 foot chipmonk one? Do you propose that would sell comics?

One of the GL's is an entire planet, Mogo.
Mogo...........

Mogo is awesome

Originally posted by leonidas
as for polaris -- not sure. someone like validus would know better. i wish i could scan rebirth, it explains the battery and its power and the ring's power quite well. not sure it's exactly a full retcon, but at least part of it is. could be that even IF the ring acted as em before, it won't anymore.

looking through that respect thread, gl cn do a lot of things q cannot. i could post a bunch of things from it, but i'll not bother. it's there for everyone to see.

decent debate, close fight, but gl's still my man.

It was Dr. Light, and that was post rebirth IIRC who handled GL. And about Rebirth, I'm not sure any of it is a retcon at all. It just seemed to me another way to explain exactly how important willpower is. I didn't get that they were saying that the output is willpower, rather the output is directly tied into the amount of willpower of the wearer. That is, lots of willpower a higher and stronger energy output, but nonetheless still energy.

If that in fact is the case and the Gl's energy is within the EM spectrum, or more specifically under Q's control, than Wendell takes this 8/10. If for some reason its not then Quasar 6/10

if he CAN control it, wouldn't he win 10/10? if he couldn't, gl would almost certainly take a large majority.

Originally posted by leonidas


if he CAN control it, wouldn't he win 10/10? if he couldn't, gl would almost certainly take a large majority.

GL power is part of the EM Spectrum. It even behaves like regular green light, as per Hal being able to turn it yellow with some fancy velocity tweaking.

Quasar can control it.

velocity tweaking? where'd you get that?

the central battery gathers willpower`from every living being in the universe and converts it to energy that the gl's can wield. there in an 'emotional' spectrum' just as they is a colour spectrum. 'green will power' is the purest and greatest.' that directly from kyle.

since it does have a colour (hence perhaps at least SOME basis in EM) associated with it, it is possible that q could affect it in someway. i still doubt he he control or drain it, while a gl still has several advanatges over q. it IS manifest willpower, and it's impossible to say for sure q could control it. i've shown already he has trouble with some . . . 'exotic' energies.

you say yes, i say no. won't know for sure til it happens.

I was leaving some lee way so that it wouldn't be totally unfair. I would never completely rule out a Gl in this fight, they are way versatile. Its not that its impossible for a Gl win, its just improbable.

You do have a point though, lets say 9/10

which GL is mr. blackman?

thats what i call him cause idk his real name

Originally posted by thesilverspider
Mogo...........
There won't be any Mogo disrespect while I'm around.

Originally posted by leonidas
velocity tweaking? where'd you get that?

the central battery gathers willpower`from every living being in the universe and converts it to energy that the gl's can wield. there in an 'emotional' spectrum' just as they is a colour spectrum. 'green will power' is the purest and greatest.' that directly from kyle.

since it does have a colour (hence perhaps at least SOME basis in EM) associated with it, it is possible that q could affect it in someway. i still doubt he he control or drain it, while a gl still has several advanatges over q. it IS manifest willpower, and it's impossible to say for sure q could control it. i've shown already he has trouble with some . . . 'exotic' energies.

you say yes, i say no. won't know for sure til it happens.


Hal flew through space in one direction, at a speed faster than light. Then he shot the ring in the other direction, which, in effect, caused the green power to move at a slower speed, changing it's color to yellow.

Thus, the green power acted just as regular green light would have acted. If it behaves like green light, it can be effected by Quasar.

pre or post rebirth?

Originally posted by leonidas
pre or post rebirth? That was like in the late 80s lol.

thanks. more of that famed 'comicbook science' in action. a doppler effect on the ring!

Originally posted by leonidas


thanks. more of that famed 'comicbook science' in action. a doppler effect on the ring!



Hey, it was Hal. I like that he figured out a way to hurt something yellow with his GL ring. I think Quasar would win, but I am a Hal fan.

It was very cool, and totally possible.

personally i say f **** the gl corp! yeah said it they should all lince up on thier knees to suckle at quasar's teet.. the one between his legs that is this is him shiedling the earth..when can a gl do this wihtout the saying somthing like hhhhpppphhhh arrgggg ghghrrlllgla thisss.. iss....so....hard.....taking evry ounce of my con...centration

Originally posted by manjaro
personally i say f **** the gl corp! yeah said it they should all lince up on thier knees to suckle at quasar's teet.. the one between his legs that is this is him shiedling the earth..when can a gl do this wihtout the saying somthing like hhhhpppphhhh arrgggg ghghrrlllgla thisss.. iss....so....hard.....taking evry ounce of my con...centration Where's the one of Quasar holding back a big-bang level energy release

this is him arrogantly absorbing an exploding star again without the hahppphhh arrrgrghhh

taking on abstraccts

part 2

pt 3

pt 4

pt5

pt6

He also defeated the Unbeing, who was also an abstract being.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Hey, it was Hal. I like that he figured out a way to hurt something yellow with his GL ring. I think Quasar would win, but I am a Hal fan.

It was very cool, and totally possible.

i don't know the context. just the way you presented it sounded funny. different opinions make the forum go 'round.

Originally posted by Juntai
Where's the one of Quasar holding back a big-bang level energy release

Originally posted by Validus
There won't be any Mogo disrespect while I'm around.
who are you again.............