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mr.smiley
when i say best fighter i mean in all forms of combat.
boxing,grappling,traditional martial arts,etc.


i think this is a hard question to answer
but i would probably choose between bas rutten and rickson gracie but i can think of even more who i think are realy good

ragesRemorse
Bruce lee. sugar ray. If you are talking presently, I would say dave merish, if you are referring to UFC type fighting then probably bas rutten. The best fighter is probably some monk somewhere high up in some mountain range.

Joker1237
Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Rocky Maricano.

These guys can back any one in a street fight, and all Boxing heavyweight champs

Cinemaddiction
Royce Gracie?

pr1983
in movies? without a doubt bruce lee...

dunno about the other mediums...

mr.smiley
royce started the trend.
he showed how brazilan jiu jiutsu could effectivly beat other fighting styles.i belive a lot of martial artist and mma fighters still don't give royce and the rest of the gracies the credit they deserve.everyone who competes in mma events now has to know the ground and standing to do decent.
fighters today are becoming better due to the ufc

Myth
Royce isn't even the best Gracie. He is just the one that brought the fame of the Gracie family to the US.

mr.smiley
yeah,royce said rickson is 10xs better

eleveninches
many people would say bruce lee, but it is hard to tell.
I actually think that Jet Li is a better fighter than bruce lee was. Even at peak condition, bruce was never the best martial artist in the world, he was just the most famous and most iconic. Jet Li mastered more forms of fighting than bruce did, and has won more trophies.
The ultimate fighting guys are the best fighters in the world (in unarmed combat). Even the best kung-Fu masters have admitted that many of the amateur wrestler/shoot wrestlers/UFC fighters are better fighters.
A kung fu master might be faster, but as soon as an amateur wrestler grabs hold of them, they can break every limb in the opponants body within a matter of seconds, and knock them unconcious in the same amount of time. UFC is the ultimate test of unarmed combat skill, and the boxers that have entered UFC have always done very poorly. Most of the UFC guys are shoot wrestlers or amateur wrestlers (with some kickboxers and a few kung fu people).

mr.smiley
i couldn't have said it better.
there's a difference between martial arts and combat sports.

T.M
i would say Bruce Lee i once saw him hit a guy from a inch away and they guy went back like 5 yards and fell over a chair funny as..

i think that Jet Li is a very good fighter but IMO if he fought Bruce Lee in Bruce's prime he would lose. but it would be close

Myth
11in- Don't forget Jiu-Jitsu and Pankrase(sp?) and fighting styles such as those.

Red Superfly
Butterbean! eek!

*runs*

Joker1237
Rocky Marciano would punch a whole though Butterbeans Fat (I wont go there)

Baylin
It's hard to say who would have or who is the best fighter. In my opinion there is always an element of luck involved.
Ultimatley who ever seizes the initiative will win.
Having great skill gives confidence to act fast and will no doubt help, but through out time there have always been examples of the lucky inexperienced beginer taking out the champion...

crying-freeman
I think did depens on what kind of fight you are fighting in

JohnConstantine
i like robby lawler and the Ice Man

KidRock
Randy Coutoure.. hands down best Ligher Heavyweight fighter.

mr.smiley
i hope he fights silva

huslemade
jet li ahahahha is no where near the level of power n fighting skill n smarts as bruce lee no doubt he was the best ever he took the human body to another level no ones seen plus i doubt any of the fighters u have mentioned cud touch him hes so quick there was no limit to his technique he cud beat up a football team inna locker room i bet lol

do yer research u will be amazed about how real bruce was

Dexx
awh..don't be fouled by all the proganda and advertising around bruce lee. he was very good indeed...but it's hard to say who'se better than who. jet is chinese champion at 5 different styles....you really can;t know.

in my opinion, the ultimate form of combat (which might not even BE considered offensive action at that state, for all i know) was reached by the inventor of aikido, namely morihei ueshiba. he was a true master of the martial arts.

mr.smiley
akido is my favirote martial art ever.Morihie wasn't a fighter though,he was a man of peace.However,his strength and amazing feats,defy reality

ragesRemorse
some guy with extensive military combat training is probably the best fighter. these guys learn to fight as though their lives depend on it. I could see some russian soldier ( these people train heavily in death strikes) taking out bas rutten with a crushing blow to his wind pipe, or caving in his temple.

@F1
Bruce Lee is the best all-round fighter. He could learn a move that some expert has taken 10 years to perfect, in one go then do it again and be better than the expert. He was a genius, but died so young, and took all that knowledge with. I believe any top fighter, be it Boxing or Martial Arts, would say Bruce Lee would beat them.

wuTa
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
some guy with extensive military combat training is probably the best fighter. these guys learn to fight as though their lives depend on it. I could see some russian soldier ( these people train heavily in death strikes) taking out bas rutten with a crushing blow to his wind pipe, or caving in his temple.

there was a guy in the ufc that was said to have that type of background..got his ass completely handed to him..bruce was great but so was frank shamrock...noone could touch frank in his prime, i'd like to see him and bruce sqaure off

mr.smiley
Yeah.A lot of those military fighting styles where brought down realy hard.
That's why the Gracies now train some of the u.s military.

ragesRemorse
Originally posted by wuTa
there was a guy in the ufc that was said to have that type of background..got his ass completely handed to him

Well, fighting for your life and fighting for sport are totally different.

@F1
Martial Arts is a Self Defence, it was never intended to be a sport. In a real life situation, Bruce Lee would probably do a lightening strike to the throat, nothing fancy but, gets the job done. I also believe the best fighters are ones we dont really know about, not these egotistical maniacs trying to prove how good they are.

AdventChild
I'm the best fighter ever....
*Then i woke up*
I would probably say
Ian Rosenberg....
He's part of Team Ryouko....

@F1
I'm the second best fighter, I come second best to everyone I fight embarrasment blink messed

snehin
Originally posted by mr.smiley
when i say best fighter i mean in all forms of combat.
boxing,grappling,traditional martial arts,etc.


i think this is a hard question to answer
but i would probably choose between bas rutten and rickson gracie but i can think of even more who i think are realy good well in boxin sugar ray lenard,movies bruce lee,martial art and cobat shingo akio tsung!

snehin
why does star sports and espn never show martial arts regularly i hav to watch a japanese channel which costs like three times more than any channel i know to watch it!

Mako Victim
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
some guy with extensive military combat training is probably the best fighter. these guys learn to fight as though their lives depend on it. I could see some russian soldier ( these people train heavily in death strikes) taking out bas rutten with a crushing blow to his wind pipe, or caving in his temple.

Hehe... That's probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard, like wuTa said guy's with military training have gone in and got there asses slamed!

If you combine all of Bas's thai boxing and MMA fights he'd probably have somewhere around 50-60 professional fights under his belt.. And Bas fought some of the toughest people for his time

People like
Frank Shamrock
Masakatsu Funaki
Guy Mezger
Kevin Randleman
Maurice Smith
and Tsuyoshi Kohsaka

Hell, not even Rickson Gracie would fight Bas in his prime..

And those "DEATH STRIKES" you talk about are nothing but BS! I've never seem them work before in a real or MMA fight

-hh-
best fighters that i have seen:

Ernesto Hoost
Mirco "Cro Cop" Filipovic
Fedor Emelianenko
Sergei Kharitonov
Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira
Rickson Gracie
Royce Gracie
Mark Hunt
Igor Vovchanchyn
Chuck Liddell
B.J. Penn

fighters with alot of potential:
Karo Parisyan
Forrest Griffin
Andrei Arlovski
and probably the youngest Emelianenko brother (not Aleksander)

cking
probably the best fighters ever were the undocumented fighters that fought for war many centuries ago, not for trophies like the fighters of today.

meep-meep
Originally posted by mr.smiley
when i say best fighter i mean in all forms of combat.
boxing,grappling,traditional martial arts,etc.


i think this is a hard question to answer
but i would probably choose between bas rutten and rickson gracie but i can think of even more who i think are realy good

I don't think there is one single greatest fighter ever. There are, though definitely, a few who deserve to be the best fighters ever.

My personal fave though is Vanderlai "the axe murderer" Silva. God I wish I was 3 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier...maybe someday.

meep-meep
Originally posted by @F1
I'm the second best fighter, I come second best to everyone I fight embarrasment blink messed

lol. wax on wax off young daniel-son you'll win one....now for your first test...grab this stone from my palm...ok try again...ok again..(1,000 tries later)...ok put this 2 pound weight on your wrist. now try....(1,000 tries later and you still don't get it) ok (takes that weight off your wrist) now triy..on three...two..one...*whoosh*. You got it!

In other words it takes practice in order to do anything well.

Darth Martin
Bruce Lee, Wesley Snipes, Bill Goldberg, Muhammed Ali, Mike Tyson.

That team will beat anybody.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Bruce Lee, Wesley Snipes, Bill Goldberg, Muhammed Ali, Mike Tyson.

That team will beat anybody.
Gomi Takanori, David Loiseau, Antonio Nogueira(Minotauro), Ernesto Hoost, Mark Hunt

That team would win quite easily and I was trying to give the other team a fair chance when I picked this team.

Mattomic
Originally posted by StyleTime
Gomi Takanori, David Loiseau, Antonio Nogueira(Minotauro), Ernesto Hoost, Mark Hunt

That team would win quite easily and I was trying to give the other team a fair chance when I picked this team.

Any team with Bruce Lee on it would kick anybody's ass!!

Jim Reaper
Right now it's Fedor. Pound for pound, you have to consider Matt Hughes, as well.

B dot Rob
Mike Tyson or Muhammed Ali

/end topic

halfevilraiden
Bruce lee sucks Jiu Jitsu is better Royce can beat him.

Bicnarok
Depends on what situation. Plus maybe theres some dock worker somehwere whos well hard and a talented fighter who is the best.

bogen
jet lee has amazing attack speed and power so id say in a fast fight he's the guy you want to have beside you.
For a longer fight you'd be looking for people like Bruce lee, ali or tyson.

resolution
jet Li shouldn't even be in this conversation. The best competitors for this title (best fighter) are the various top rated MMA fighters (who have all but evolved beyond the gracies) and Bruce lee. It all depends on the situation. In the Octagon under UFC rules Bruce lee's chances of success would not be good. In a street fight with no rules where you could use throat strikes, eye jabs and all the rest, the modern MMA's chances of success would be small indeed. Bruce lee's art jeet Kune Do was about life or death no holds barred self defense and none of the people mentioned have the speed to survive a fight like that with bruce Lee. Bruce Lee fan's need to realize that he is not deity and could not defeat everyone in any venue, and MMA fighters need to realize that as strikers, MMA fighters are pathetically unskilled compared to a man on the level of Bruce lee. MMA fighters are usually men with good grappling skills that can tackle most strikers to the ground and end the fight there, and have just enough striking skill to take out a pure grappler. On the feet, i don't care how big they are, the top MMA fighters would lose terribly period. 250 pounds or not, if you get hit in the chest with 130 pounds travelling at 80 miles per hour from a barreling side kick your going to more than feel it. Bruce Lee couldn't use heavy bags weighing less than 200 pounds because he destroyed them with his kicks. If grappling were permitted however in a UFC style scenario, the Top MMA fighters would win. But once again, if it's no holds barred I have to go with bruce again. It is not that strikers in MMA can't land on grapplers but rather that they cannot knock them out with one punch for the most part. If we are talking about vital spots however, the entire equation changes. Before Chuck liddel could even bend down to shoot, Bruce Lee would already be on the inside with a sharp blow to the throat promptly ending the fight. So who the best fighter is will ultimately be determined by which venue you choose.
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-hh-
saying Bruce Lee will lose to Royce because of Jiu Jitsu is inaccurate. You can defeat any fighter with any technique depending on HOW WELL you've mastered the fighting style.

ive seen Tae Kwon Do fighters defeat Muay Thai fighters.

Ive seen Kickboxers defeat Wrestlers.

it all depends on the fighters experience, and how much knoweldge he has gained.

M.T. STYLE
Best Fighter(real fighters) Ever:

Kickboxing/Muay thai:

Apidej Sit Hirun = Pro fights: 340 wins/10 Losses/1 Draw.
This man once broke both arms of his apponent and he also broke a fighter's thigh bone. At one time he held seven Welterweight titles of both Muay Thai and international boxing. This historic record has never been broken since. He is hailed as “The seven titles
champion” or “The Best Muay Thai Fighter of all time, and best Kicker of the century”. Titles were awarded by the
Authority King of Thailand.

Deisel Noi = 200 fights
the fighter that in the end, no one dared fight-Dieselnoi Chor Thanasukarn. He was the knee expert, producing knockout after knockout with his stunning knee attacks. He became what is called a "spinster" fighter-one that nobody dared challenge and gave up one of his championships simply because no one could be found who was willing to fight him for it.

Pol Prapradang = 350 Fights
He was never knocked down nor given the count during his extraordinary fighting career. This record is even more spectacular since it was built by often fighting in weight classes much heavier than his own.

Other Great Fighter:

Buakaw Por. Pramuk = 147 Wins (39 KOs), 7 Losses, 10 Draws 2x k1max champions.

Samkor Kiatmonteap = 500+ fights second most powerful kicker ever

-hh-
real fighters? you're basically saying muay thai and kickboxers the only real fighters?

what about Sambo fighters? Judo, JiuJitsu, Brazilian JiuJitsu, Wrestling etc...

and yea Buakaw is gonna be the best K1 fighter with Gago Drago.

M.T. STYLE
Judo/JiuJitsu/Submission:

Masahiro Kimura: Greatest judoka ever............beat helio gracie with ease. Only lost 4 fights.

Mitsuyo Maeda (Prize fighter): Gracie teacher and father of Brazilian Ju-jitsu. Teacher of Gracie brothers (carlos and helio). Unbeaten.

Junfan1940
Bruce Lee was the best fighter in the world ever. Even to date

Jim Reaper
Originally posted by resolution
Before Chuck liddel could even bend down to shoot, Bruce Lee would already be on the inside with a sharp blow to the throat promptly ending the fight.


1st of all: Chuck wouldn't shoot on him. Second: Even the biggest amatuer fighter in the world knows to keep his chin down. Third: Martial Arts has evolved ions past Bruce Lee's time. And finally by Bruce Lee's own admission, Chuck being a superior kickboxer and wrestler, would destroy Bruce Lee in a fight. You're in a fantasy world.

Krone
there is only one man who can bring an end to all this.... Chuck Norris

StyleTime
Originally posted by Jim Reaper
1st of all: Chuck wouldn't shoot on him. Second: Even the biggest amatuer fighter in the world knows to keep his chin down. Third: Martial Arts has evolved ions past Bruce Lee's time. And finally by Bruce Lee's own admission, Chuck being a superior kickboxer and wrestler, would destroy Bruce Lee in a fight. You're in a fantasy world.
Agreed. yes

M.T. STYLE
Greatest Real Fighter(Not Actors): Dieselnoi Chor Thanasukarn, Apidej Sit-Hirun, Samart Payakaran, Sakad Petchyindee, Ramon Dekker, Rob Kaman and Coban Lookchaomaesaithong

M.T. STYLE
bruce lee, chuck norris, jet li, van-damme, steven seagal are all actors they can't fight. If they did they won't last a minute against a muay thai legend.

andreii
Some posts looks like child's age.
Anyway i don't know who is the best, but i believe that Mike Tyson is not in discussion.

M.T. STYLE
mike tyson is good at boxing but against a muay thai. he'll get killed

dmythica
Bruce Lee would have won any fight ever in any situation. He was 100% unbeatable. He is the greatest fighter who ever lived and probably will ever live. 4 exception's the 4 horse men of the apocalypse. Oh yeah and Sampson only cause he had strength given to him from god tho so its not really fair. XD

Wand18
Let me break it down for everyone.
I'm going to list the top 5 fighters who in my opinion, also consistant with the opinion of very many Mixed Martial Arts experts, are the best all around fighters in the world and would be any actor fighter including Bruce Lee.

Here it is:

#1 Fedor Emilenankov
#2 Maurico "Shogun" Rua
#3 Mirko Crocop
#4 Wanderlei Silva
#5 Chuck Lidell

There you have it boys, make no mistake about it, these 5 men are the best fighters in the world. If you haven't seen them fight, I would suggest you start getting youtube on.

Wand18
I will also mention Rickson Gracie.. for those who don't know, this man is an udeafeated Legend in the art of Ju Jit Su and Mixed Martial Arts.

But he's main style of fighting is Brazilan Ju Jit Su.

-hh-
Originally posted by Wand18
I will also mention Rickson Gracie.. for those who don't know, this man is an udeafeated Legend in the art of Ju Jit Su and Mixed Martial Arts.

But he's main style of fighting is Brazilan Ju Jit Su. not true. Rickson has been defeated before by an American Sambo fighter Ron Tripp.

G U I T A R
Chuck Liddell Is by far the best fighter.

Bicnarok
Impossible question, maybe some unknown massive crocodile hunting aborigany is the best, but we´ll never know.

-hh-
Originally posted by G U I T A R
Chuck Liddell Is by far the best fighter.

FAR from it.

G U I T A R
Originally posted by -hh-
FAR from it.

Not really

-hh-
Originally posted by G U I T A R
Not really elaborate. why do you think he is the best?

StyleTime
Originally posted by G U I T A R
Chuck Liddell Is by far the best fighter.
Chuck belongs nowhere near a list of the best fighters.

-hh-
Originally posted by StyleTime
Chuck belongs nowhere near a list of the best fighters. exactly. He has KO power and good take down defense. He is the LHW UFC Champion but is FAR from best fighter ever.

Alpha Centauri
It's unfair to name martial artists because the emphasis on martial arts, even the most aggressive, as been to defend yourself.

Combat sports are about attacking until you are victorious in a situation where you are meant to be fighting.

The whole point of real martial arts is that it's not meant to be used.

-AC

-hh-
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's unfair to name martial artists because the emphasis on martial arts, even the most aggressive, as been to defend yourself.

Combat sports are about attacking until you are victorious in a situation where you are meant to be fighting.

The whole point of real martial arts is that it's not meant to be used.

-AC

I understand Tae Kwon Do teaches discipline and self-defense, but these Brazilian JiuJitsu, and Russian Combat Sambo guyz will go out and not only defend but challenge others to display their superiority (as in the fighting technique they know). I know the Gracie's do it in Rio De Jinero and the Red Devil Team in Russia have a dispute with other teams as well (Like Russian Top Team).

Their are bunch of videos of Royce and his brothers/relatives facing those that give a bad name to their style of jiujitsu. There's a video of Gracie defeating a Russian boxing/sambo champion, a Kung Fu specialist who claimed to be undefeated, and some guy on a beach in Brazil who had no fighting experience but claimed to be strong.

You are right about the fact that it's unfair to name a martial artist, but then who can we name to being the best fighter?

StyleTime
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's unfair to name martial artists because the emphasis on martial arts, even the most aggressive, as been to defend yourself.

Combat sports are about attacking until you are victorious in a situation where you are meant to be fighting.

The whole point of real martial arts is that it's not meant to be used.

-AC
I disagree. Fighters are martial artists so we don't have any choice but to name them.

That's a very broad view but true. However, it's still a martial arts event. It's just that these martial artists want to see who is the best.

Martial arts were created solely for fighting. Conflict avoidance has always been up to the individual even before martial arts existed.

-hh-
it use to be "which style is the best" but now that the sport has evolved so much, fighters learn multiple techniques.

examples:

Fedor Emelianenko: Judo/Sambo
Rodrigo Nogueira: Brazilian Jiujitsu/Boxing
Shogun Rua: Muay Thai/Brazilian JiuJitsu

HexHammer
It is antisipated that Huo Yuan Jia (1867-1910) was the best fighter of all time.
Surely Bruce Lee was a natural talent, Ip Man (Win Chun grand master) taught Bruce a whole year of pensum in just 3 months.

I doubt any of those special force solders has very good skills compared to any top fighter who have trained his whole life from childhood.

Caps Conscience
I think Fedor Emmilelanko is better then Rutten was.

Violent2Dope
Originally posted by mr.smiley
when i say best fighter i mean in all forms of combat.
boxing,grappling,traditional martial arts,etc.


i think this is a hard question to answer
but i would probably choose between bas rutten and rickson gracie but i can think of even more who i think are realy good Ken Shamrock.

Healing Artisan
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Ken Shamrock. Shamrock in his prime was good, but i wouldn't say he's the best fighter. his brother Frank Shamrock is a much better fighter than Ken.

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
I think Fedor Emmilelanko is better then Rutten was. it's close. both are great fighters, but i'd pick Fedor as well.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Ken Shamrock.
He was good for the time period he fought in, but not the best.

Fedor is pretty much the undisputable "best" at the moment.

mr.smiley
Anymore I doubt think their is an udisputed best in the world.I think their is a consistant best,but that's about as good as it gets.

HexHammer
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's unfair to name martial artists because the emphasis on martial arts, even the most aggressive, as been to defend yourself.

Combat sports are about attacking until you are victorious in a situation where you are meant to be fighting.

The whole point of real martial arts is that it's not meant to be used.

-AC
Most far eastern military knew how to fight barehanded, so ..not always was martial art used for selfdefense.

bobby1269
well i say in prime days bruce lee and mike tyson there were fearful
now i say the best fighter out there is shaolinh monks they have deadly combination with there skill they can break your spine make u paralise in one inch i seen the documentrie very deadly....

ninjarod
I think that everyone here has made very good remarks about who they think the best fighter is. Bruce lee and Jet Li are great fighters, and most ppl on here are only going by the fighters they heard of. There are some many martial art fighters out there that dont want to be known, and would wipe the floor with any of the mentioned fighters. The founder of kyoukshin for example could kill a bull with a single strike to the head. Then there are the ppl who do Ninjutsu who are the most well rounded fighters in the world in unarmed and armed combat. I would like to see ppl like Rampage and Lindell take on Hatsumi.

Dr. Leg Kick
this is an impossible question, but just based on having skills in all aspects of fighting, i'd have to go with

Fedor Emelianenko

StyleTime
Originally posted by ninjarod
I think that everyone here has made very good remarks about who they think the best fighter is. Bruce lee and Jet Li are great fighters, and most ppl on here are only going by the fighters they heard of. There are some many martial art fighters out there that dont want to be known, and would wipe the floor with any of the mentioned fighters. The founder of kyoukshin for example could kill a bull with a single strike to the head. Then there are the ppl who do Ninjutsu who are the most well rounded fighters in the world in unarmed and armed combat. I would like to see ppl like Rampage and Lindell take on Hatsumi.
Hatsumi would get mauled by Rampage or Liddell. Even if we assume he is as skilled as Rampage or Liddell, the guy is about to turn 77 if I'm not mistaken. He couldn't physically keep up with either of those guys.

MSP
Anyone seen FEDOR v. Tim Sylvia? FEDOR IS THE MAN!!!! 36sec choked out TIM!

Dr. Leg Kick
Originally posted by MSP
Anyone seen FEDOR v. Tim Sylvia? FEDOR IS THE MAN!!!! 36sec choked out TIM! yes

Karma is a *****.

Tim was disrespecting Fedor a few years back, calling him "little shit". Fedor as always, calm, humble, and all class. the guy is champion and undefeated for a reason.

hopefully we see either Arlovski or Barnett vs Fedor.

Darth Creasy
Fedor
BJ Penn
Frank Shamrock
Bas Rutten
Anderson "Spider" Silva
Rickson Gracie
Bruce Lee

and Mike Tyson no expression

grimify
I can't believe people are saying Bruce Lee. He has zero fights at the professional level. He has only four amateur fights. Get real, the guy is an actor. People are so gullible.

As for best "fighter" it's a hard thing to say.

p4p (imo)...

Striking: probably Dieselnoi, Apidej, or Payakaroon.
Submission Grappling: Rickson Gracie, Roger Gracie, or Ricardo Arona
Best overall: Anderson Silva.

Of course there is almost certainly some guys out there who have no interest in competitive martial arts who could beat any of the best fighters out there. You'll just never know about them.

StyleTime
Originally posted by grimify
Striking: probably Dieselnoi, Apidej, or Payakaroon.
Submission Grappling: Rickson Gracie, Roger Gracie, or Ricardo Arona
Best overall: Anderson Silva.

Of course there is almost certainly some guys out there who have no interest in competitive martial arts who could beat any of the best fighters out there. You'll just never know about them.
I don't think any of those three could outstrike modern K-1 top tiers. In their prime, guys like Ernesto Hoost, Peter Aerts, or Andy Hug should beat them.

Pure grappling is too hard to call at the moment. There are far to many good grapplers out there. I'd pick Nogueira in an MMA/ValeTudo environment though.

As for best overall, I think Fedor is pretty much the greatest until proven otherwise at this point. Recently, Silva has dominated, but he's still been defeated. Fedor hasn't.

Dr. Leg Kick
it's all subjective, but if we are to break it down:

Striking: Buakaw Por Pramuk
Submission/Grappling: Jacare
Best overall in MMA: Fedor Emelianenko

dvampire
Anderson Silva, Fedor, GSP, or BJ Peen. I prefer Silva and GSP style of fighting though.

Dr. Leg Kick
if you combine GSP with Silva, you'd get the perfect fighter that could defeat Fedor.

same with combining Nogueira with Barnett.

Fedor's style of fighting is simply adapting to his opponents style. you just never know how he is going to approach a fight.

percept
I would say it is Brock Lesner. He has proved his ability in Wrestling, the UFC and MMA...a true athlete with loads of stamina and fitness. I have seen this guy perform and I would undoubtedly say he is the best fighters. Mike Tyson and Evender Hollyfield comes in net.

Dr. Leg Kick
Originally posted by percept
I would say it is Brock Lesner. He has proved his ability in Wrestling, the UFC and MMA...a true athlete with loads of stamina and fitness. I have seen this guy perform and I would undoubtedly say he is the best fighters. Mike Tyson and Evender Hollyfield comes in net. no expression

StyleTime
Originally posted by percept
I would say it is Brock Lesner. He has proved his ability in Wrestling, the UFC and MMA...a true athlete with loads of stamina and fitness. I have seen this guy perform and I would undoubtedly say he is the best fighters. Mike Tyson and Evender Hollyfield comes in net.
How can you say that when Lesnar just lost to Frank Mir?
Originally posted by Dr. Leg Kick
if you combine GSP with Silva, you'd get the perfect fighter that could defeat Fedor.

same with combining Nogueira with Barnett.

Fedor's style of fighting is simply adapting to his opponents style. you just never know how he is going to approach a fight.
Anderson St. Pierre could rule the universe if he/it wanted to.

Seriously though, I sometimes think that if GSP was larger, he might be able to take Fedor.

Dr. Leg Kick
Fitch via TKO
Herring via Sub
Florian via Sub
Gamburyan via Sub

RocasAtoll
Fedor is probably the best now, but if Shogun can recover I think he will become the greatest in time. He has great potential to go along with his already developed skills.

Dr. Leg Kick
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Fedor is probably the best now, but if Shogun can recover I think he will become the greatest in time. He has great potential to go along with his already developed skills.

rumors have it that Shogun vs Rampage II is set for December.

RocasAtoll
Can't wait. Should be a legendary fight. But it'll probably get pushed back from December.

It's good the UFC is finally coming out with some quality contenders, instead of having Liddell sit on top and get his ass kicked by the first real challenge.

Biff Tannen
I can't believe I just saw Rickson's name brought up. And really, it's got to be Fedor. And yeah, I remember Tim Sylvia saying "Bring on Fedor!" a couple years ago. But props to Timmay, at least he actually went through with it and fought Fedor. As for Lesnar, not even close. Although I will say one thing. I find it scary to think about how good he could be right now if he didn't waste all those years in WWE. If Brock would have went straight to MMA after wrestling in college, who knows what he could be right now.

jackpackage
the best fighter of all time is bruce lee . Her trained 10hrs. a day 7 days a week 365 days a year. He never lost a fight and never had a true challange. No one was ever able to imitate or re-do what he did. thats what made hime the best fighter of all time.

StyleTime
Originally posted by jackpackage
the best fighter of all time is bruce lee .
If by "Bruce Lee", you mean "Fedor Emelianenko", then you are correct sir.
Originally posted by jackpackage
He never lost a fight and never had a true challange.
That's generally what happens when you never fight anyone.

I-Drop
Anderson Silva, Fedor, BJ Penn, Miguel Torres, Urijah Faber.

P.S. Bruce would have beat the shit outta Jet Li. Li mastered more styles? So what? Most Kung Fu styles are useless in a real scrap. Bruce knew this & evolved his own style. He was the 1st real MMArtist.

geshien
Fedor, Anderson Silva, Mirko Crocop, BJ Penn and George St. Pierre, imo, rank amoungst the best.

I-Drop
Crocop used to

geshien
Originally posted by I-Drop
Crocop used to

I know.

I felt that I should include him, for when he was on top, he was a beast.

Rogue Jedi
Originally posted by I-Drop
Anderson Silva, Fedor, BJ Penn, Miguel Torres, Urijah Faber.

P.S. Bruce would have beat the shit outta Jet Li. Li mastered more styles? So what? Most Kung Fu styles are useless in a real scrap. Bruce knew this & evolved his own style. He was the 1st real MMArtist. Most of these "real scraps" you speak of are fought by untrained fighters. If you and I were "scrapping", it'd be messy and likely go to the ground (I am assuming you are an untrained fighter, forgive me if I am incorrect).

Two seasoned masters (Lee and Li) are less likely to resort to it. I have seen real life fights between both, untrained fighters and trained martial artists. Not saying a fight between two martial arts masters WOULD NOT go to the ground, mind you, just that it is less likely.

mr.smiley
Originally posted by StyleTime
If by "Bruce Lee", you mean "Fedor Emelianenko", then you are correct sir.

That's generally what happens when you never fight anyone.


I agree.

I-Drop
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Most of these "real scraps" you speak of are fought by untrained fighters. If you and I were "scrapping", it'd be messy and likely go to the ground (I am assuming you are an untrained fighter, forgive me if I am incorrect).

Two seasoned masters (Lee and Li) are less likely to resort to it. I have seen real life fights between both, untrained fighters and trained martial artists. Not saying a fight between two martial arts masters WOULD NOT go to the ground, mind you, just that it is less likely. MMA guys are highly trained & go to the ground often. It really depends on the style of the person involved. I'd pick experts in judo, jujitsu, sambo & muay thai to beat experts in Kung Fu more often than not. Only Kung Fu style that seems to be worth anything in MMA is the stuff Cung Lee uses. I think it's called Sanshou or something like that. He's a very good striker. Frank Shamrock foolishly tried to fight him w/out going to the ground & got his arm broken for it. gjj vs kung fu Listen to the 95% part too.

Rogue Jedi
I guess. I am just going by fights I have seen up close and personal.

Wil7
I am only going to name the best boxers of all time:

Muhammed Ali
Sugar Ray Robinson
Jake LaMotta
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Joe Frazier
Marvin Hagler
Jack Dempsey
etc

I want to say this though:

Marvin Hagler is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Sugar Ray Leonard
Joe Louis is waaaaaaay better than Rocky Marciano

Dr. Leg Kick
Most all around adept fighter is Emelianenko, Fedor. The way he adapts to his environment is phenomenal. He's defeated fighters from all across the globe with different styles of fighting. From olympic wrestlers, to world class kickboxers, and masters of BJJ.

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other fighters that deserved to be mentioned:

Lyoto Machida: His Karate foundation is what makes him one of the best. He has impressive balance and movements that allow him to strike at the strangest angles. His background in Sumo and Muay Thai has also helped him develop his entire fight game.

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Anderson Silva: He has incredible muay thai skills. Easily the best in MMA, but I wouldn't consider the best fighter of all time. He's up there though.

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BJ Penn
Georges St. Pierre
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Josh Barnettt
Randy Couture

and for future, i've been saying this for the past 3-4 years, look out for Gegard Mousasi.

He's going to be the next Anderson Silva.
Originally posted by Wil7
I am only going to name the best boxers of all time:

Muhammed Ali
Sugar Ray Robinson
Jake LaMotta
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Joe Frazier
Marvin Hagler
Jack Dempsey
etc

I want to say this though:

Marvin Hagler is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Sugar Ray Leonard
Joe Louis is waaaaaaay better than Rocky Marciano good list. Hagler over Sugar Ray is debatable. But does it really matter, these guyz are all incredible boxers.

jalek moye
Originally posted by jackpackage
the best fighter of all time is bruce lee . Her trained 10hrs. a day 7 days a week 365 days a year. He never lost a fight and never had a true challange. No one was ever able to imitate or re-do what he did. thats what made hime the best fighter of all time.
and yet mas oyama was still better smile

Dr. Leg Kick
Originally posted by jalek moye
and yet mas oyama was still better smile and yet you are both incorrect.

Oyama and Lee are no doubt incredible martial artists, but read the thread title.

"best fighter ever".

jalek moye
i was just saying that oyama was better then lee. seeing as oyama actually had fighting experiance.

Dr. Leg Kick
Originally posted by jalek moye
i was just saying that oyama was better then lee. seeing as oyama actually had fighting experiance. we haven't seen enough of Lee, so we can't really judge him.

Wil7
Originally posted by Dr. Leg Kick
good list. Hagler over Sugar Ray is debatable. But does it really matter, these guyz are all incredible boxers.

If it is debateable, then I want to debate with you then Dr. Leg Kick. Are you saying that Sugar Ray Leonard(a.k.a- Splinda Ray Leonard)> Marvin Hagler? If so I want to debate against you then, or anybody who says other wise.

handsdown
well i think bruce lee is the best striker and most praticial and frank mir submission grapple and randy coutore ground and pound and fedor for all round

handsdown
fedo all round for combat sport bruce for real life fighting

Dr. Leg Kick
Originally posted by Wil7
If it is debateable, then I want to debate with you then Dr. Leg Kick. Are you saying that Sugar Ray Leonard(a.k.a- Splinda Ray Leonard)> Marvin Hagler? If so I want to debate against you then, or anybody who says other wise. By all means, I agree that Hagler > Sugar, but I said it's debatable. I've seen valid points for both sides. From what I remember, Hagler took control after rounds 5-6. Better pace, and landed better shots. It was a close fight. An immediate rematch would have been perfect.

Originally posted by handsdown
well i think bruce lee is the best striker and most praticial and frank mir submission grapple and randy coutore ground and pound and fedor for all round

That's great, but Bruce Lee has no footage of striking in combat. And I'm not talking about his acting career. The guy was fast, that's for sure, but I'd say best strikers are found in the Muai Thai and Boxing realm.

Buakaw Por. Pramuk always comes to mind when I think of a striker. The guy can kick down trees with his leg kicks. And that is no joke.

Frank Mir is a great submission artist, but there are much better out there. Guyz like Damien Maia, Jacare, and Fedor come to mind. Their transitions from one position to another is incredible.

As for ground and pound, Mark Coleman was the Godfather of the ground and pound, but nowadays, it's Fedor, Couture, and I'm going to say Cain Velasquez. I know it's too soon to say, but the guy is impressive. Once he starts working on his boxing and head movement, he wont get tagged when going for takedowns. I'm expecting a bright future.

Originally posted by handsdown
fedo all round for combat sport bruce for real life fighting By 'real life fighting', I assume fights in everyday situations. In that case, I would say Bas Rutten. No question.

handsdown
bas is good but bruce's speed and his jeet kune do is a every efffective systematic deconstuction of an opponent bas's system relies on overwhelming power and toughness bruce in his prime would be hard to hit even hard to inflict damage on it is the power and toughness vs relativly less power but precise enough to put enemies down in quick sucession if the situation called for it bas can do what bruce does but a chance of overkill hence take more time and bas has to cock back to throw a punch taking more time hence more time to move bruce strikes move so fast they make up the lack of body with velocity

Dr. Leg Kick
Originally posted by handsdown
bas is good but bruce's speed and his jeet kune do is a every efffective systematic deconstuction of an opponent bas's system relies on overwhelming power and toughness bruce in his prime would be hard to hit even hard to inflict damage on it is the power and toughness vs relativly less power but precise enough to put enemies down in quick sucession if the situation called for it bas can do what bruce does but a chance of overkill hence take more time and bas has to cock back to throw a punch taking more time hence more time to move bruce strikes move so fast they make up the lack of body with velocity I'll just say this, Bas's leg kicks can break bones and rupture organs. And Bas has experience in fighting in numerous situations.

The knocked out a rottweiler to save his own dog.

Sado22
Bas Rutten is amazing. i love the guy's charisma and his toughness. to me he's is epitome of a "tough guy" cuz he has been around in all kinds of fighting scenarios (well, minus war of course).
that said, didn't Ken Shamrock beat the guy twice. and wasn't Shamrock said to be the most dangerous man? i don't follow UFC MMA and all that so sorry if i sound ignorant.


exactly. kungfu is too "form" oriented. they have all these ways of strking and guarding which look cool in an exhibition or in a movie but would suck in real life due to poor guarding systems, open movements and all the other stuff etc. not to mention that when you have someone trying to maul you or rape you, trying to look good is probably the last thing on your mind. small wonder i've never seen any kungfu fighter in MMA and UFCs.

~Sado

Mindset
I love how much people wank Bruce Lee big grin

The best fighter in real life scenarios is probably someone we've never heard of.

But I'll just say it's me, then Fedor.

JacopeX
Originally posted by Mindset
I love how much people wank Bruce Lee big grin

The best fighter in real life scenarios is probably someone we've never heard of.

But I'll just say it's me, then Fedor. This.

mr.smiley
Originally posted by Sado22
Bas Rutten is amazing. i love the guy's charisma and his toughness. to me he's is epitome of a "tough guy" cuz he has been around in all kinds of fighting scenarios (well, minus war of course).
that said, didn't Ken Shamrock beat the guy twice. and wasn't Shamrock said to be the most dangerous man? i don't follow UFC MMA and all that so sorry if i sound ignorant.


exactly. kungfu is too "form" oriented. they have all these ways of strking and guarding which look cool in an exhibition or in a movie but would suck in real life due to poor guarding systems, open movements and all the other stuff etc. not to mention that when you have someone trying to maul you or rape you, trying to look good is probably the last thing on your mind. small wonder i've never seen any kungfu fighter in MMA and UFCs.

~Sado

Shamrock pretty much beat Rutten because at the time Ruttens ground game wasn't evolved enough to compete with Kens.
If those 2 would have fought just a few years down the road,or even today,Bas would win fairly easy.

Sado22
ah, i see. thanx for the info smile


true. not taking anything from the man but we can't use a movie star to talk about real toughness. sure he invented a unique, very practcal style, sure he was a true prodigy, true that he was legendary and his contribution to martial arts (and its overratedness) is immense. but he was a movie star and not a REAL fighter. not saying he'll get fubared in a fight against UFC boys etc tho.
people tlak about the one-inch punch all the time but it took him a while to pull that punch off and he'd be a dumbass to try it in real life.

~Sado

Dr. Leg Kick
Originally posted by JacopeX
This. **** your life.

Originally posted by mr.smiley
Shamrock pretty much beat Rutten because at the time Ruttens ground game wasn't evolved enough to compete with Kens.
If those 2 would have fought just a few years down the road,or even today,Bas would win fairly easy. Exactly. And Shamrock was juicing up for that matter.

Sado22
shamrock was juicing? eek!

Mindset
Originally posted by Sado22
ah, i see. thanx for the info smile


true. not taking anything from the man but we can't use a movie star to talk about real toughness. sure he invented a unique, very practcal style, sure he was a true prodigy, true that he was legendary and his contribution to martial arts (and its overratedness) is immense. but he was a movie star and not a REAL fighter. not saying he'll get fubared in a fight against UFC boys etc tho.
people tlak about the one-inch punch all the time but it took him a while to pull that punch off and he'd be a dumbass to try it in real life.

~Sado JKD was unique compared to traditional Martial Arts, for the most part, but Krav Maga predates it, and they are similar.

But yea, JKD is pretty cool.

handsdown
how old IS krav maga cuz it has some modern techineques gun disarms, hostage situations. how much older can it be

Mindset
It was started in the 50s

handsdown
well it isn't to much older

Mindset
OK?

handsdown
it is like a handful of years ahead of bruce

Mindset
More like 2 decades, but ok, what's your point?

handsdown
jkd was made in the 60's

Mindset
Late 60's

Almost 2 decades after Krav Maga.

But still, what's your point?

mr.smiley
Originally posted by Sado22
shamrock was juicing? eek!

Yeah.

HE did while in the WWE too.

Slay
Originally posted by handsdown
bas is good but bruce's speed and his jeet kune do is a every efffective systematic deconstuction of an opponent bas's system relies on overwhelming power and toughness bruce in his prime would be hard to hit even hard to inflict damage on it is the power and toughness vs relativly less power but precise enough to put enemies down in quick sucession if the situation called for it bas can do what bruce does but a chance of overkill hence take more time and bas has to cock back to throw a punch taking more time hence more time to move bruce strikes move so fast they make up the lack of body with velocity Let's not forget that Bruce Lee 'in his prime' has lost fights. You're acting like he's some Godlike entity who just destroys anyone and can't be struck, let alone be knocked down or out, while Bas Rutten could very well beat a Bruce Lee who's 'in his prime'.

Slay
Actually scratch that last comment I made about Bruce Lee having lost fights. I was actually thinking about that movie they made about him, but I forgot the writers took a lot of liberties while writing that script. Still, you can't really say he was tested as a fighter.

The_usher
Its Bruce Lee.

SpadeKing
Originally posted by Slay
Actually scratch that last comment I made about Bruce Lee having lost fights. I was actually thinking about that movie they made about him, but I forgot the writers took a lot of liberties while writing that script. Still, you can't really say he was tested as a fighter.

Aside from before he became the physical freak he is known as, he had a few fights in his childhood, the only other fight I heard of was a cast member challenging Bruce Lee & getting destroyed then becoming his student.

But those fights in his child hood was a mix of wins & losses, its what he said first got him into martial arts.

AsbestosFlaygon
Fedor Emelianenko.


Though I believe the best fighter is probably a Shaolin monk.

StyleTime
Is it really worth mentioning an unknown martial artist who may or may not uphold the myth constructed around a particular group of martial artists?

This is the question that shall set us free. All of us.

mr.smiley
Wow it's great to look back at all these post and my original and see how much my opinion has evolved in regards to my question.

I'm suprised this thread is still first page!

batdude123
Fedor.

Mindset
Nate Diaz

cyttorakforever
I would say Bruce Lee. He was so fast that during his films they actually had to film him in slow motion because he was too fast for the human eye to catch.

o and Mike Tyson too. That guy in his prime was an animal.

AsbestosFlaygon
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Fedor Emelianenko.

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