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The X-men have had different leaders which one do you think did the best job?

Xavier

Cyclops just fit that role better than anybody. Xavier, can't be their leader, only mentor. Cause he can't go in the field of war with the rest.

im just messing around

from wat i've seen...cyclops fits the role well...even though he's really one of my fav chracters......i DO like nighty...

I think Rogue was a really good leader. She handeled the team well.

Rogue! Are you mad? She has to many problems with herself. I don't think she can make good decisions.

i agree...

cyclops... he's the most professional... and one of the best leaders and tacticians in marvel...

I think Beast could be a good Leader...as good as Scott...maybe even better...just maybe.

no way... he's not a combat leader... he's an amazing scientist and doctor... but no way a good combat leader...

I noticed he looks after and trains the younger new mutants in the comics...what about Cable...he got military training and lead Xforce...he's an okay leader.

cable is a good leader...

but people don't realise cyclops has unique abilities that make him such a good leader...

Scott is a real visionary...even thought the only color he can see is red.

he can see unique solutions to unusual problems in combat... its like he goes into a trance, he sees everything, but stays cool and calm, even though it doesn't seem that way...

A leaders leader...however when Xavier can walk...something that happen under certain conditions he's the best feild leader of the team.

he's not and never will be a field leader... combat situations aren't his speciality... he's more a diplomat or spokesman... not a soldier...

he was in a war though...I think.

which one??? korea?

Did everybody forgot about Storm? She was the leader of X-men team gold back in the day.

sage as always...

and i didn't forget about storm... after cyclops she'd be my first choice...

I know that Emma Forst is now co-leading the x-men with Scott.

She was also the headmistress of the Massachusetts academy (Hellions & Gen X)...

As much as I love Ms. Frost, though, she has a tendency to get her students killed...

that is true sage...

and i don't think emma is a good leader cos so few people trust her...

Okay forget about Emma frost, so who do you think is the best leader from .... Cyclops, Prof. X and Storm?

in the field cyclops, in the mansion the professor, if cyclops left storm would be the first in line imo...

Actually her tenure as a leader extended beyond the length of the blue and gold teams. She began leadership when Cyclops left after the supposed death of Jean (aftermath of Dark Phoenix saga) and on and off in more current times. Storm respects Cyclops leadership skills, but she isn't a slouch either. She's made some tough decisions, such as the craze "plasma-like" mutant who forced her to make a decision on which X-Man he should kill , which she chose Wolverine in the criteria that he had a better chance to get out of the blast.

Okay well here is a question, who do you think would be the worst leader of the x-men? You can pick from any member of the x-men past or present.

(as worst)

wolverine... he'd get everyone killed imo, i don't believe he's rational enough...

him or jubilee...

Yeah they are both bad but there has to be somebody who is the worst.

jean would make everyone commited suicide

why???

Would be funny if Silver Surfer just strolled into the mansion with an X painted on his board and said: "Right....hmm. You, what's your name?", "Jubil...", "You're cut. Pack and leave. You?", "Wolver...", "Yeah I know who you are. Don't care. F*ck off."

Just started rearranging the team.

-AC

dunno

that would be cool alpha... although is there anyone that would be good enough to roll with surfer?

In my opinion storm is the best leader the x-men have ever had. She is known for being very sensetive and caring so people go to her for help. At the same time storm can be vary agressive and knows how to get what she wants. She is level headed and smart and a good stgaretist. She also knows what emotional pain feels like because she lost her parents at such a young age and had to grow up as an orphan on the streets of cairo. Her powers also beat out cyclops. She even beat cyclops without her powers, I know that she didn't do it on her own but she still would have beat cyclops because all you have to do is take off his visor and he's basically done because he's too woried that he'll hit someone. ANother reason is that she is one of the only people that is unafraid to confront wolverine even at his worst temper. Also all the x-men trust her and xavier even respects her as a leader.

"that would be cool alpha... although is there anyone that would be good enough to roll with surfer?"

Nah. Just doing my bit of hype for him. The man got his series cancelled, gotta show some respect.

Could probably take over the F4 if he wanted to. Saying that, he's been in the most powerful group ever. The Defenders.

Surfer, Hulk, Strange, Namor.

-AC

cyclops was also an orphan (or so he thought for many years)...

her powers do beat cyclops', but that is no reflection on leadership skills (look at captain america)...

he knows all about emotional pain... no parents, jean has died 3 times... and he sent his son to the future and never saw him grow up...

she beat cyclops many years ago... since then cyclops has undergone a lot of training, he's learned tons as far as fighting skills... she may still have him though... and he's learned to fight without his power, he can fight with his eyes closed...

http://www.mutanthigh.com/games/martialarts/fight6.html

when it comes to command decisions cyclops doesn't back down, with wolverine or anyone...

the x-men trust cyclops, whether they like him or not... and xavier respects cyclops as much if not more...

i have no doubt that storm is a respected, trusted leader... but the x-men have always been a team that was more than the sum of its parts, imo cyclops is the best at using each member properly and effectively...

surfer rocks alpha... back when i was younger i used to always try an pick up a surfer comic when i went to the comic shop...

I'm not saying cyclops doesn't have emotional pain, i'm just saying that I think storm has as much if not more. she was younger than cyclops when her parents died , and xavier didn't take her in until she is older and cyclops was xaviers first student and he was never really alone becasue later he found out that he had a brother, and storm still doesn't have anyone. cyke isn't the only one that lost jean, everyone did. Jean was storms best friend don't you think that it would hurt?? Also cyclops didn't have to steal to make a living , storm had no where to go so she became the best theif and pickpocket in all of cairo with the help of her mentor. Storm was also rejected on a marrige proposal even though she was going to say yes. ALso storm went many years without powers and she could still beat people so that means that she is a really good martial artist, even wolverine thinks so because he taught her. Also now a lot of people might have a small grudge against cyclops because of his affair with emma. A team is going to follow orders better if they have a leader they can trust and can find a friend in. Storm knows her team members just as well as cyclops does, so theres no reason that she can't use each mamber just as well.

Yeah Surfer is the man, PR. I always loved the philosophical side (the only side hahaha) of his comics. COULD do with some more action considering his powers but would defeat the purpose.

People don't wanna see him flying around philosophising, they wanna see him blowing shit up. Hence why Surfer and Thanos series' failed and Rogue and Nightcrawler thrive. I wear my Surfer T-Shirt proudly nonetheless haha.

I think Cyclops has always been the best leader by definition. He seems to be more tolerable than Captain America at least.

-AC

ok, suppose your right in some ways... but her and cyclops are incredibly alike imo, and she's not exactly a loner, cyclops is more detached than her... if she's the mother to the x-men, he's the detached father who lets the mother deal with all the emotional stuff



i didnt say nobody else hurt... but i'll bet it hurt scott a hundred times more... and then madelyne came along...

as for the emma thing, yes people would be pissed at cyclops, but they all know full well in combat that he's 100% commited...

i know that storm knows the x-men as well as anyone, but i believe cyclops knows how to maximise everyones abilities... in a fight cyclops has this incredibly narrow vision, he sees things nobody else would (hence his name), unique solutions to problems... i don't believe storm does...

the x-men will always trust him, they might not like him, but they all know deep down he'd take a bullet for any of em...

and yes, surfer rocks... if he was a bit less of a pacifist he'd be as big as the hulk and spidey...

alright its obvious that ur a cyclops fan and its obvious tht i'm a storm fan. They both are good leaders but cyclops has been a leader for longer so I guess that he sees things people don't. They both lead in different ways and I just like storms way of leading, but cyclops's way of leading also works or else the x-men would have been defeated many times. Ur right to say that they are a-like in many ways. All the x-men respect them including the prof. I think that if both of these people were leading at the same time then the team could handle anything.

that is true...

i just wanted to say that cyclops has had as much pain as anyone... he's lost the love of his life 3 times... that would kill most people... but he kept going out of responsibility... so i think he's had as much pain as anyone...

as an emotional leader who knows their troops personalities... i say storm is better...

but in combat cyclops imo is THE leader in x-men imo... his seeing things other people don't is an actual talent he was born with (not a power, just a talent), and his ability to utilise each team members ability is second to none imo... it puts him at the top of the list of leaders in marvel, right beside captain america (who i hate, but meh) imo... and he's more powerful than most people give him credit for...

i have always liked storm, i've always believed she was cyclops natural successor if he ever left the team...

I feel the same way

k... i mean, storm is my third fave x lady (behinde psylocke and blink), her power rules... and i think that when they have two teams one should be hers and one should be cyclops'...

Beast has the right attitude. Cable on the otherhand, he's kind of a loner like Wolverine. And besides, he really can't control his anger.

Cable is more loved and followed by his troops than Cyclops is. Then again, X-Force are kids. I think Cable just always had some weird thing for Dani Moonstar.

-AC

i think cyclops is the best leader the x-men ever had... and i dont know what else to say.

i think most leaders are loved by their troops more than cyclops...

Agreed she's a good leader...best Female leader....only female leader I think.

Ooo, good point. Yes, Storm is a good one. Cyclops is obsessed with his role (which is mostly good) and Xavier makes it all possible, for sure. I guess Gambit was the leader of a team as well as the Theives Guild, I'm not sure how he was with his mutant team, I haven't read any of those books. I think Storm has the most focused personality, Cyclops the most dedicated, Xavier the most practical and Gambit I am sure is most clever. Rogue, jee, she's very strong inside and out but also very emotional. Wolverine? NO, No, no, no

i agree with most of that... though i can't see gambit being a great leader at all...

stealing is alot different from saving the world... i don't know if he'd be up to it...

if a mission involved stealing and stealth yeah Gambit could lead it.

of course...

but heavy combat... i'm not so sure...

WHAT!? for goodness sakes! don't be like that little Scot photo you have there buddy, Gambit has been proving himself over and over for some time now, stealing is a skill and I think Gambit has proved himself very useful as well as capable of saving the world. He is the most critisized of the X Men and is one of the most loyal, one reason I love him, that whole having to understand some one from where they are and where they've come from thing. I don't know, I think he is seriously misunderstood and does not get enough credit, it takes a hell of a lot of guts and goodness to be able to leave a group or a place that you know is no good (Theives Guild, as well as other bad company) and it takes a lot to completely turn every thing around and admitt you weren't doing the right thing, that my friend is harder than anything you could ever imagine if you've ever done it and that is what our lovely Gambit is all about. He is made of self control, which is also a fine quality of a good theif as well as the only man to be a sucess to Rogue and not many of our other super heros have it as defined as him, not by far, lets give Gambit a little pat on the back shall we?

i never questioned gambits loyalty or willingness to put his neck on the line for the x-men... it took a lot to do the things he did...

but those things do not make him a great combat leader, thats all i'm saying...

what about my cyclops pic?

I don't know if he's a good leader, just saying he kicks butt in combat and is just as capable of saving the world as the others are. We see eye to eye, ha, eye, ya know?

saving the world yes... but leading the team to save the world against a powerful enemy, i dont think so...

as part of the team yes, leading it no imo... there are too many xmen ahead of him imo...

No, not he's not in the top ten or nothing but you know, practice makes perfect, I really should read the comics where he leads a team I forget what the were called... shoot. Oh, bye the way thanks for the tip on getting a little picture, I can't get my own images in there though for some stupid reason, I can't find out how to size them properly.

use the avatar creator, it resizes any picture... its in the avatar section of your profile...

Ugh, I can't get it, I'm just not cool enough, but it's okay I am loving this eye it is actually perfect for me in many ways, thanks though, but go ahead and give up on me at this point.

if u ever want help just ask...

so best leader... hmm...

gambit lead the team that massacred the morlocks. I can't remember what they were called but this is why marrow had a grudge against him. If there was a stealth or stealing mission them storm should lead it!! Storm had been stealing way before gambit started. storm started at like the age of five!! She became the best theif and pickpocket in all of Cairo egypt!!!. She even pickpocketed xavier when she was really young, and xavier is a telepath!! Also storm stole candras heart at a very young age!! that is why they wer enemys. I think storm is a way better leader, x-man, and theif.

he didnt lead them at all... he guided them to where the morlocks were, but didnt take part...

and gambit is a better thief, hes more ruthless...

ooh I thought he leaded them, srry mt bad.
Storm stole from gambit, a little while after they met she easily picketpocketed him. Also a young girl did when he and jean went to cairo with her/. Storm is the one that noticed and got his wallet bcak for him. Also when gambit steals things fomr aa building or something he uses equiptment a lot. storm does it out of pure skill. Its not easy to become the best theif in cairo. Was gambit ever that famous for stealing anything??

storm did it when she was a child, she hasn't done it in a long time...

gambit is still at it... and he's more willing to cross the line to steal...

storm was doing it for a living, it wouldn't just go away

i know that... but she's a moral person...

gambit isn't as bound by his morals as she is...

you read about paris right? when gambit made a woman fall for him just to steal a gem...

i just think that they're even then i guess, they should both lead on a stealth or stealing mission i guess

well stealth is not gambits forte as much imo...

i mean cyclops, nightcrawler or storm could all lead a stealth mission pretty well...

stealing... maybe...

I think storm is the best on stealth cause she has the whole fog thing goin for her.

Hey, hey, now, young and stupid, the lady he made fall in love with him stole that necklace herself using the same tactic and he did not in any way expect that she would end up dead over it. One of his many mistakes. He saved Marrow's life, so she should cut him some slack because obviously he did not intend on dead morlocks, and he began stealing at 5 too, when he was in New Orleans he was homeless at 5 and stole to survive and he did on his own for a few years until he was adopted. I think Gambit is a better theif because he is the one they turn too first and he has broken into many a famus building, he has stolen paintings that were pricless, well, the Theives Guild, that's what they did for a living. He lead a team called the X ternals, yeah I'm pretty sure that is the one, he had a girlfriend in the team too, it was while Rogue was with Magneto I think. He stole all kinds of stuff for different people I'm pretty sure he even stole equipment from Sinister's labs to appease New Son, that's stiff and there's other stuff too. He has morals, he just had to grow inot them I guess, the X Men helped that and he got inot that by helping Storm and he helped her because he's a good guy and he loves kids, so he was never that bad and is all good now anyway.

yeah but storm is just as good, storm was alone and started stealing at five also!! she became the best theif and pickpocket in all of cairo egypt which is a huge place. she stole from the shadow king while he had a human form, xavier and gambit. she even stole candras heart before she was even ten years old. STorm wasn't adopted or anything like that she kept on stealing until she traveled to the serengetti plains at which she was a teenager. with all these facts she easily could be just as good.

fog is only good for aircraft, for infiltration of heavily guarded buildings you'd have cyclops or nightcrawler...



me? stupid?

my point about the necklace was that storm would never stoop that low, gabit would...

yes i know he saved marrow, he's done a lot to try and redeem himself...

xternals was aoa... cyclops was one of apocalypse's best men in that storyline...

he was never bad, he was ruthless, there's a difference...

I think she was callin me stupid for thinkin storm was better than gambit, but i don't really know.

yup, sounds it. they are probably different types of theft too I wonder, she stole money, what else? Gambit's things were usually one of a kind art/jewlery type stuff which was desired by whoever was paying him, well, I'm sure he stole money when he was a kid too and apples and bread, that kind of thing. That's funny pick pocketing the Shadow King, my goodness, she has just been looking for trouble from the start.

storm is a better all rounder than gambit, he's a better thief, she's more powerful...

and don't call me stupid...

do you even know enough about storm to be saying all she stole was money?? She stole jewelery and food for her montor and teachor alchmed. In a few comics it shows her as a kid sneaking behing guards to steal diamonds and vases and other valuebal things. she was just a good theif all together!

Oh, no, didn't call you stupid, I was calling Gambit yound and stupid, you know when he stole the necklace from that chic. No, I don't know enough about Storm's stealing I was asking what she stole. I don't know then, who is better? pretty tight pair if you ask me, I guess that's one of the big things they have in common.

oooh srry my bad I thought you were dissin storm by saying she couldn't steal. LOL!! Srry

sowwie, my bad...

i just believe gambit is a better thief, i think he still has the mentality to do it...

I think they both do.

It's fine I have a problem with typing things right sometimes.

ha ha ha me too

i think she's too moral, gambit still bends the rules, i dont think she'd be as willing nowadays...

I agree. Cyclops would never bend the rules.

there is some rumor about Cyclops and Remy being brothers, do you know what's up with that? they were both abandoned, have the red eye thing going on and look a little alike...

cyclops' eyes are brown...

the writer meant them to be brothers, but it never materialised...

and cyclops woudlnt bend the rules to steal, but he would (like storm) to save lives...

Oh, I think it would make sense if they had been brothers, they kind of have that down. Cyclops being the older more mature one. In that story by Lori he asks Cyclops for advise and apologizes for being a pain.

i read fan fics too... they make you think about things you usually wouldn't...

sisnster once told cyclops that he'd been keepin an eye on his brothers(yes thats plural!!) so he must have another one besides havok- I think it might be gambit don't they weild the same energy??

Well, it has been hinted and I think Marvel is going to keep the idea open so that they can bring it out in the future for kicks, I think it would be cool but it may be someone else. Sinister definatly has an eye on both Scot and Gambit that's for sure.

yes Gambit was used by Sinster and Sinster wants to use Scott as one of his experiments or something.

the cyclops/gambit brother thing was brought up by one writer, i'd be very surprised if they made it official...

maybe they are bro.....that'd explain the red eyes thing...plus they are about the same hieght and build...they'd only be half bros anyway...have the same dad....if Gambit and Scoot are bro that means Gambit is Cable uncle...and if Gambit and Rogue got married that make her Cable's aunt...creepy....I guess the Xmen really are a family.

i'll say it again... cyclops has brown eyes...

I know...orginally..but with his powers on they are red as hell.

I think wolvi should become the leader

he's got the combat training...but he get pissed off very easily...but he could do it....after some anger management.

i don't believe he could do it, hes not controlled enough...

i think he'd be better actually gettings stuck in, rather than coordinating the fight...

you don't Logan could be like a "drill Sergent" type leader " what a lean mean Xmen fighting team" type approach?

he's an excellent trainer no doubt...

but i just get the feeling that he couldnt coordinate a massive battle properly... he'd be too preoccupied with getting in the middle of it...

I see where your coming from.

what about Psylocke as a leader?

psylocke...

never actually considered her...

maybe, though i've never seen her lead so i'm not sure...

I think she'd do okay...what about Archangel or Nightcrawler?

both would be good...

but still far behind cyclops and storm...

what about Iceman leading a team of teenage mutants

nooo...

iceman is like johnny storm... too cocky, regardless of power...

yeah the writers should just stick w/ storm and cyke being leaders

im a little miffed at the thought that y'all don't think much of Gambit as a leader. true, he has shortcomings, but he is a pretty level-headed guy. he might be really messed up, but still okay. hes not the best qualified, f'sho, but he isnt awful. if storm and cyclops were out of the picture, leading could very easily fall upon remy. rogue is perhaps a better leader, but, correct me if im wrong, didnt she totally freak at the idea of leading, and rebel all the way. no, dont correct me, i have the issue where it happened right here. so i think the best he may not be, but capable, gambit most certainly is. hmph. sorry. i do love to vent.

in most cases i think he could do a good job, against the likes of the brotherhood sure...

but when push comes to shove, when the fate of the world rests on one good or bad decision... i don't know... maybe he will one day... but not yet imo...

I think jean should be a leader

jean could do it i agree...

yeah