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I am a fan of both great bands but personally prefer Tool. On some other fansite boards I go on, fans of both seem to prefer APC more (I found this slightly peculiar) So I just wanted to ask Tool and APC FANS on this board to share their opinion...
If you like neither bands, don't bother posting "they both bite" or anything of that intellect.

I think Tool are far superior musically and Maynard's lyrics are about more meaningful things in general and to me, in Tool.

I really love Mer De Noms and Thirteenth Step though, two of my fav albums.

-AC

You're going to make me choose between the two? cry

I like Tool better, but it's veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery close.

I HAVE been listening to APC nonstop for the past two weeks though. Dunno why but I'm currently obsessed with them.

TOOL. Dunno why, but I don't get caught up in APC's songs as well as I do in Tool songs.

I like them both, and I really can't say thats whats best because they are so different. Tool is harder and more intense, but the lyrics and feel or APC is more medatative and clamer.

Tool easily IMO.

I love both bands, but I would have to say Tool hands down.

Tool.

Tool ... but by like a tiny bit

Tool, eMOTIVE brought APC down a notch in my book

wow tough choice .. TOOL .. since eMOTIVe kinda ... sucked .. TOOL is up there again for me

They have the same singer, and that's pretty much all they have in common. I hate it when people compare the two.

But yeah, Tool all the way

Emotive is an album of covers. it was expected to suck. Tool all the way

Stupid Question,

Tool easily.

Not even remotely close. As great as APC are, the only thing keeping them within driving distance is having the same frontman.

Can someone recommend some APC songs for me to listen to?

The Noose, The Hollow, Judith, Rose, Sleeping Beauty, 3 Libras, Orestes, The Outsider, Gravity, Weak and Powerless, Blue, Passive.

-AC

Though I'd add Magdalena, The Package, and Pet.

Pretty much just get the albums.

-AC

Agreed.

I'm not comparing the bands. My question was - to fans of both which band gets the edge?

And it has been answered (I guess,) thanks.

3 Libras triggers my emotions like no other song. Mer de Noms is probably one of my favorite albums. On the other hand, I love Hooker with a Penis. =P

I'll have to say Tool, but it's very, VERY close.

YES YES YES Magdalena is like one of my most fav songs ever!
though overall tool is supior in my opinion i think someone said it best, the only thing that even has APC in the same category is they have the same singer

Tool.

I love Magdelena, but I'd have to say Sleeping Beauty, Rose, and The Outsider are my faves

Tool, without a shadow of a doubt
for a so called 'super-group' they really manage to lessen the effect that maynard can produce with Tool

APC are a "super group?" Maybe I'm just really out of the loop here, but the only member (besides Maynard) of the original band I'd even heard of was Billy Howerdel... Though I guess you could call the Thirteenth Step lineup that.

yea, the new lineup

Oh, well in that case, nevermind.

Well they are a super-group, now anyway. James Iha, Billy Howerdel, Jeordie White & Josh Freese in one band. Thats a super-duper group, no 'so-called' about it.

I disagree with that totally. Thirteenth Step was Maynard at his best, and the album itself for me is second only to Aenima as the best thing MJK has worked on.

I definitely agree....Thirteenth Step is, for me, near-musical perfection.

I think the only Tool release that APC can match and possibly beat is Opiate.

I don't think anything APC have done comes close to Undertow, Aenima or Lateralus.

Although APC had some big names, I wouldn't call them a super group. That's an accolade for Audioslave.

-AC

I certainly enjoyed Thirteenth Step more than Opiate & Undertow, Lateralus is a close-call, but I'll stick with what I said.

Why not? I see no reason for APC not to be labeled a super-group. They're a band made up of talented musicians from some of the biggest rock groups of recent years, how can they not be?

And I despise Audioslave anyway. Come to think of it I'd hesistate to call them a super group, it's still the same band as it was a few years ago, just with a new vocalist.

Then it's not the same band is it? It's not Rage against the Machine without Zack.

Velvet Revolver aren't Guns N Roses. Audioslave aren't Rage. They're Audioslave.

Tom and Tim are more talented than James Iha and Jeordie White. Put out much better stuff. The only thing APC have over Audioslave is Josh Freese and Maynard IMO. Although in terms of actual vocal performance I think Chris Cornell has the better voice, possibly.

Besides, even if it was the same band, I don't see the problem. Rage were one of the best bands ever and add one of the greatest singers, it's no bad thing.

-AC

I meant the same in regards to the line up, I'm not saying anything against the guy's talent, heaven forbid. It's just that they haven't gone out and assembled a whole new set of musicians, they've basically just stuck together and got themselves a new singer who just happens to be Chris Cornell (who as much as I admire, is absolutely 100% inferior Maynard).

James has a totally different style to Morello, you can't really compare them, and Smashing Pumpkins were way better than Rage.

I didn't say it was, I was just confused as to why you would say Audioslave were a super group and APC weren't. I personally consider both of them super groups, one which I like a lot and one which I have been so far extremely disappointed with.

so y is maynard the frontman for 2 bands? coz he wants seperate projects or did he breakup wid tool?

just 2 seperate bands
APC was meant to be a side project, but it became soo much more than that

Chris Cornell isn't inferior to most people. Vocally, in terms of singing ability, Chris Cornell is the better singer. I think it's out of him and Maynard. I give Chris the nod based off the sheer scope and power. Maynard is a much better lyricist and he's probably my second favourite singer of all time, maybe even tied with Chris. It's impossible to be 100% inferior, let alone Chris Cornell.

I don't think, as much as I love The Smashing Pumpkins, that they were anywhere near Rage. Most of the guitar on their albums worth noting was Billy Corgan.

Rage were a three piece instrument band. Guitar, Bass and Drums. Tom had to carry that on his own. He's much better than James and quite a way ahead of Billy.

Either way, that's off topic.

James is only credited for the live band anyway. He's not on the albums. The albums are Jeordie, Maynard, Billy and Josh. Danny Lohner here and there. I don't think APC are a super group based on talent, rep maybe. They just seem too random besides Maynard and Josh.

Audioslave are what happened when the most powerful band in the world met the most powerful voice in the world, IMO. From the second I heard Cochise and multiple other songs on the album I labelled them a supergroup in terms of talent. Rage were more powerful because of Zack's fury. Audioslave have shown on songs such as Show Me How to Live and Exploder that they can match or surpass that.

That's my view on the supergroup thing.

Do I love APC? Yes.

-AC

I agree. I'd rather Maynard was hidden away with the rest of Tool, only emerging with the album, rather than staying in my consciousness and putting out wastes of resources like Emotive.

I know this

I'd take Maynard over Chris anyday, my estimation of him shot up when I heard his acoustic cover of Terrible Lie, which was just overwhelmingly intense. Nothing Cornell has ever sung has sent shivers down my spine like The Package, or hit me as hard as Hooker With A Penis.

Smashing Pumpkins were much more experimental than Rage. I love Rage with all my heart, but they pretty much stuck to a single formula for all their albums, whereas Pumpkins just kept changing. It's unbelievable that Siamese Dream and Adore were made by the same artists. Also, the political side of things had already been done before, and better, by Public Enemy. Zack is obviously trying to be the white Chuck D. Smashing Pumpkins were Smashing Pumpkins, the band of Generation X. They may not have been as rebellious as Rage, or as individually talented, but their first four albums are just great song after great song after great song. Rage's first two albums are like that, but by the Battle of LA, Zack was starting to grate on me.

That was my point when I said James was to different to Morello, he's primarily a rythm guitarist, and a damn good one at that.

Paz played bass on the first album..yeah that's a fair point come to think of it. They do seem to rotate their personal quite a lot.

You see thats where you're never going to convince me. Audioslave are nothing to me as yet, I haven't heard a single song of theirs that I enjoy, and believe me, I tried to enjoy them, I really did.

I have to say that I agree

Though I don't find Chris better than Maynard...I'd have to say the two are tied.

If you don't enjoy Audioslave Def, fine. Taste differs and it's not like you have shit taste.

-AC

i like Soundgarden and RATM but not Audioslave ...

Audioslave are much more an acquired taste. If you don't prefer them, fine.

Def was never denying the talent, just doesn't like their music.

-AC

Tool

Emotive wasn't entirely a waste--there were some mediocre tracks, some bad ones, and a couple great ones. Passive has been one of my favorite songs for quite a while now.

Passive was Tapeworm, not APC though.

-AC

The NIN/Tool crossover project!? They have a song released!? I MUST listen to it!

And Tool covered "Terrible Lie"?? WHEN??? WHERE HAVE I BEEN!?

No it was never released but it was written within the context of being for Tapeworm. Trent and Maynard wrote it.

-AC

I really wish the Tapeworm project had gone through I was so happy when I heard they were getting together. It was like a friggin dream.

Me also.

It was probably only great in theory. The combination of two greats doesn't always make a better great. Not this time anyway.

-AC

Looking at Passive, it's not that great of a loss. As Trent said, it should have been amazing, not just good or a little over that.