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okay I know Emma Frost, Ice Man, Beast, Back Tom Cassidy (think) have had secondary mutations..who else and if one of your favorite mutants had secondary mutations what abilities would they get?

i think Angel has one... and Gambit's would be to chrage oragnic matter - how cool would that be... i think he's done that thoguh a few times

Gambit in his "true form" could not only charge up organic matter...he could also charge up stuff just be looking at it.

really? i kind of remember hearing about that from somewhere, would be cool if he did that in the movie

you want to see "full force Gambit" in the movie? hmmmmmm I never even thought of that...I kinda like him has regular gambit...New Son (Gambit in his full powered up form) would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too powerful.

maybe not full force, just kind of hints at his full strength, i think sometimes his power is overshadowed by the others

me too....Gambit does have the able to charge objects up with other parts of his body..not just his hands and he can delay charge which means stuff doesn't have to glow and explode time he touches it.

ya, it's kind of annoying the way he is underpowered in TAS, like he just has these sad little cards that don't do much

Agreed...once just once I wish he'd charge up his Staff and wack Wolverine..just once.

or just charge up the metal in his body

THe Ultimate verison of Gambit charged up the metal in his face.

and then shoved his staff into his mouth and blew it up...

i don't like his hair in that version, kind of wavy and just not right

yeah... Ultimate Gambit looks like a homeless ex rocker or something.

angel had a secondary mutation-i'm pretty sure it is that his blood can heal you which makes no sence to me. I wish storm would be able to turn into the elements of the storm, like the wind or lightning. That way she would be even more powerful. I also think storm should finally do some magic, all her female ancestors on her mothers side were able to and in the future she is able. I wish she would meet with dr. strange and he could teach her some magic, that'd be cool.

Storm being able to turn to weather....cool she could rename herself "the LIving Storm"

gambit did charge up logan once...

and yes angel has a secondary mutation...

they so have to do that in the movie

yeah I thought his blood could heal now.

have Gambit blow off Logans face...that'd be sweeeeeet.

yeah it would logan annoys me

not a logan fan huh? what would wolverine SM (secondary mutation) be?

they won't, cos then someone would kill gambit...

true and that would be very bad

whatever Wolverine is under mind controll and he's forced to defend himself. then if he blow Logan face of you could say...he was defending himself and it's not like have Logan face blown off would kill him anyway.

he cant blow his face off, he can only charge his skeleton, logan would not heal if his skeleton exploded...

what would his secondary wutation be

bigger sideburns?

I asked you guys and Punisher shot his face off and Logan...or James survived.

what??

he can survive so much because his skeleton is invulnerable... if gambit explodes his skeleton he's dead...

I was talking about the whole "getting his face blown off thing" IN origin we learn Wolverine real first name is James..but he himself refused to be called that and goes by Logan..so technically I guess he's Logan now.

ok i get it now- can we get back on the subject with secondary mutation-just a thought

Indeed we can...I think Beast Secondary mutation sucks..he was cooler before we went all Simba.

yeah doesn't he have a healing factor too?

Beast had a healing factor before he went Blue kitty I heard him tell Wolverine that he could heal twice as fast as a regular person...thought that's nothing compared to Logan.

beast has been slowly been mutating for years, its a gradual thing... sage just accelerated slightly...

I thought so. what is icemans sm

remains in Ice form...I seen him absorb water out of a lake and become a gaint and I think if his arms or legs get broke he can regrow them since they are no longer like a humans with bones and blood.

he's slowly changing into living ice...

he's truly earned his codename.

yeah what should nightcrawler's sm be??

he's also practically indestructable in ice form...

in a recent comic he was shattered, leaving only his head, he pulled moisture out of an enemy to reconstruct his body...

NIghtcrawler SM...hmmmmm I heard he could become invisible in shadows and Darkness...why not just give him the power to be invisible with or without having to be in darkness.

that'd be really cool. combine that with being able to teleport he'd be really hard to hit, almost impossible.

what about Havok..what kind of SM could he get? mabye an eye beam like his big bro maybe?

HEY. Wouldn't it great if all the mutants got tertiary mutations?!?
They all suddenly grow a big red "S" on their chests!!!

what???

explain Zahit.

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havok is pretty powerful as it is...

maybe let him control his blasts...

doesn't he have more controll with his powers than Scott....no wait...at one point Alex had to wear special arm band to controll his powers..maybe he still does..I forget.

he can control when he fires them, but not intensity...

seems he and his bro both have problems controlling their powers...not that I"m hating on them or anything..Rogue has a ton of problems and my fav Xman Gambit had to get Mr. Sinster to mess with his brain to get his powers under controll...you think it would be cool if Scott could controll his beam with out his Star trek the next generation visor on?

when he jumped out of the burning plane as a child he damaged a part of his brain that would let him control his powers. its like the on switch for his powers is always on

I know that..but what if he could controll it with out the aid of the visor?

then it'd be cool. I think that he should just wear glasses cause it makes him look cooler.

yeah...except at night...I mean unless your blind you don't need sunglasses at night

I was being sarcastic.
I for one am tired of the whole "secondary mutation" thing.
Emma Frost now being able to turn to diamond????
Pretty soon Prof. X will be able to fly or some crap.
Nothing like ruining characters i've grown up on.

i was thinkin about the 'super gambit' thing....and he would be uber powerful....he would be able to like.....wipe out countries with enough effort....he could like....destroy planets with enough power waaaaaaah

SM for wolverine would be regeneration....like deadpool use to have....well that's my logic..since he already has the healing factor, the next step would be regenerate limbs etc....

SM for mystique would be hella kool...like she could replicate powers aswell as appearnace

then she'd be really powerful

Wolverine regrowing limbs...seems logical to me...SM seem to be the further evolution of that mutant's mutation. LIke Iceman being stuck in Ice form...which is pretty cool...forgive the pun.

I like the secondary mutation thing

i was thinkin about the 'super gambit' thing....and he would be uber powerful....he would be able to like.....wipe out countries with enough effort....he could like....destroy planets with enough power waaaaaaah

Oh, yes, he could... ya know, be like a big SUN... ya know??? Right??? Gotta love that Super Gambit! bye the way everyone, this forum is hilarious, seriously, funny, funny, loving it. BUT you are going to have to pardon my big fat ignorance and please explain to me how ice man became an ice man since I don't know that story... also I think it would be nice to see Beast turn into a Big, blue puppy dog... really. No, I'de like a Wolverine with telepathic abilities, that might be interesting. ' I'm going to tear your ****** from your ***** and shred your *****, etc."

Oh, yeah I didn't copy and paste properly and that first paragraph was written by some one else and I was trying to comment on it... okay?

HA, Ha! You're so cute Mainstream! Natural killer of spiders, really I'm not quite as frantic as this guy though (smiley)

ummmm okay....I like Venom and all but Scorpion is my fav spidey villian...hmmmm could Venom have a secondary mutation.....I know he's not a mutant but he's an alien freak...and that's kinda the same thing right?

Does wolverines bones count as a second mutation?

you mean the fact that his natural bones are stronger than normal even before he got the adatiumum bonded to them....I think so. I heard bone claw Logans claws could cut though stone.

Oh, I didn't know that, I figured he might be a little, I'm sorry about this, weak, since his extraction. I didn't know Venom was an alien, that's cool, I also don't know who Scorpion is as I don't know much apparantly. Well, I know a lot about Gambit, but that's not saying much, maybe you could fill me in there Mainstream give me the Comic 101 deal. Oh, yeah and no one helped me out with the ice man story. Got a thing for bones Napalm??? you know because of your bone monster image? not that funny really, I know.

i dunno when or how ice-man evolved to his permanent ice form either....i'm so0o losted...cos stuff happens in uncanny, then carries on into X-men, and then argh!..iono....

I don't know either

Mainstream knows, he'll tell us when he gets back on, won't you?

hopefully tell me what you what to know I've been reading Xmen books since the mid 90's if it happen between then and now....I'm sure I read about it or could find out.

that would be nice.

pr1983 knows, i think it has some thing to do with black tom

no, I think he said he didn't know. How come no one knows?

know what exactly...tell me tell me c'mon tell me already!!! pleeeeeese!

that's a great briefing...I hope Iceman grows his hair back soon...the iceman with hair looked more evolved than the baldy the one.

see i was right, pr did know

I knew too...I think

Oh, well, did he ever... so ice man was could change to ice before this incident but now has a problem turning into flesh? is that right?

pretty much yeah...

I think that shadowcat should get a secondary mutation- what would it be anyway??

invisibilty would be a natural evolution i suppose...

though i'm not sure she needs one...

I think she should be able to turn diamond hard- like being able to turn intangiblr to the complete opposite by becomg like hard as steel or something- is she immune to telepathic or telekinetic attack while intangible??

not sure at all actually...

but emma and colossus have the whole organic armor thing... its been done...

I know but the opposite thing of intangiblr is like really tough or somethin, I don't know how to put it, but it makes sense to me thatshe should be able to turn super dense.

maybe... though i still think its been done...

yeah i guess invisibality would be good for her.

i agree

wat would colossus second mutation be?

Where did everyone go?

idk wht his should be
maybe to fly??

everyone left because we couldn't think of an answer... sure, fly. Okay, stumped.

to the Colossus thing I meant.

idk if he really needs a secondary mutation?? He seems strong enough as it is and it seems that nothing would fit, maybe a danger sense or heightened senses or maybe even a healing factor in case anything ever hurt him cause I think that really hot things can hurt him.(not really sure)

Ooo, he could melt and take another shape like that Terminator 2 thing!

yeah thats what i was goin for lol( I think)

o0o...thats a good one...liquid metal...that would be the koolest....that way....nothing could pierce him....

i'd rather see him become adamantium or something...

but isn't he already as tough as adamantium? wasnt there a bit where he asked wolverine to slice him and nothin happened?

Wolverine SM...the ability to come back from the dead up to 5 times per day or something...boost his healing factor up to a godly like level.

he is pretty durable... i just wanna convince the fanboys he's that durable

wolverine's is pretty high as it is... he survived a nuke didnt he?

Wow, I never saw that nuke story. He survived having the adimantium torn out of his body, I think he is probably close to impossible to kill. He will never die!

he can drown...

For Shadowcat's, I understand what you meant, stormfront. You want her, like Vision, to be able to control her entire density, both for becoming intangible, and for being diamond hard. Personally, I don't really think she needs one. Not all mutants can have super-lethal awesome razorsharp badass powers, when people get caught up in trying to make mutants super-lethal awesome razorsharp badasses, we wind up with ArcAngel. Regular Angel is the way to go (and I like his healing power, it actually makes sense in the context Austen gave him)

Wolverine surviving the nuke happened in the crappy Venom Tsunami series, take it, not with a grain of salt, but with a pound of salt.

I don't mind Iceman's secondary mutation, though I think it's kind of stupid, he was powerful enough originally. As long as he grows some icehair, it'll be okay though, he just looks stupid when he's bald, imo.

Iceman needs Ice hair...agreed what about Angel...I miss the metal wings am I alone on this?

Aww, NO, I love the bald ice man, come on, he looks great. I liked the metal wings, but the authentic ones are beautiful too, they are both great but they give off a completely different feeling. It would be cool if he could change his soft, sweet, gorgeous wings into hard, sharp, metal, lethal wings when he got pissed or was ready for action!!

I think that would be cool_ I think that archangel should be able to shoooooot his feathers out of his wings like daggers, That be really sweet!!

o0o so a combination of arch and original.....razor shard feathers....that would be kool..

personally...i like the iceman that was human..and temporarily transformed....being bald and shiny...reminds me of silver surfers...especially since iceman ice-surfs his way around

angel's offensive capability has suffered since regaining his feather wings, but i prefer the look of the feathers...

iceman bald looks pretty sweet, but in aoa with the hair he looked pretty cool too... i don't know which is better...

the one with hair...shows he'd evolved.

not neccessarily, it seems more to do with vanity or the artists whim...

I see but in all the future based story lines he seems to have ice hair.

I don't recall ever seeing the ice hair... Pr can you whip up a pic? you're good at that!

i have to go, but i know i have one somewhere...

I remember when Iceman was funny and a joker, his seondary mutation made him become an ass. I think ice hair would really cheer him up =)

iceman with hair:

http://ultimatecomics.free.fr/xmen/images/aoa/AoA_X-men_02.jpg

Age of Apoc Iceman right?

I think Colossus should be able to turn anything that he touches to metal at will.

o0o like a midas touch thing goin on....kool

o0o heey..i know this myt be a bit off topic...but i promise i'll get back on topic....
u know spike from x-men evo?....was he ever in comics?? or is he just a rip off of marrow?

wait...never mind....i just serached him on da net..he is from the comics....ma bad

i don't know how there can be a spike cause storm was an only child, and hes supposed to be storms nephew right??

i dunno...maybe they stuffed his heritage in da cartoon..but i've seen comci pics of him on da net

Can someone please explain Black Tom's secondary mutation to me please? His is just plain confusing to me.

Oooooh, and I so wish I could draw like that, Ayjay! Nice job!

Catch ya,
Mana

yeah black tom is confusing to me too someone please explain

he lost his powers but regained them, they were removed and it seems his secondary mutation forced them to return...

ok pr ur so smart u know everything

theres alot i dont know... am just trying to help...

ok well it was a compliment lol

Colossus should be able to change his for with his metal skin, like spikes on his fists or like razor shard edges, arms turn into clubs or whatever.

if wolive had a SM I think he would turn more animal like.

I wish storm could get one

i rekon..if storm ever evolved more...she would probably be able to direct;y control the four elements...fire, water, earth...and wind(wghich comes under the weather thing i guess)....heheh she sounds like captain planet now ^__^

well at least earth quakes and volcanos. I dont know about creating fire and water, and doesnt she already control the wind?

yeah but she controls te elements of the storm so why not the elemts of the earth?? or maybe she could turn into the elements os the storm, like lightning body, or turning into wind

Whoa! Now that would be something to see! She already looks awesome when she uses her lightning abilities. Imagine how cool she'd look able to turn completely into it! WOW!

Mana

"The living Storm"

WAY COOL!

Mana

Indeed....I want to see gambit reach his full power too...again.

What is his full power? I'm only new to the character. Care to share, cos that guy is my fav.

Mana

New son Gambit is a verison of Gambit who has his full power...regular gambit had mr. sinster experiment on his brain so gambit could controll his powers better....so basically the classic card throwing gambit...is a weak verison of the character.

new son is an alternate gambit, there is no way to know if he could actually be that powerful...

and writers have messed about enough already with him beating gladiator...

indeed pr.

but new sun is gone now, he was just a stupid twish to give new life to a character, gambit will never become the new sun becuse of the brain thing.

hmmmm.

i dont think he could be new sun, i think it was just some writer praising his character...

maybe.

i mean the amount of writing f*ck ups are unreal, logan surviving a nuke, gambit beating gladiator, aoa and onsluaght have some abysmal writing...