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Discuss what you think of Adolf Hitler. Do you hate him? Tell us why. Do like you him? Tell us why. Do you admire him? Tell us why. I'm interested in what people think these days.

He was a sick genius!

I hate him, but I still think he was arguably one of (if not THE) most influencial person of the 20th centuary.

He had a reason for what he did, just like anyone else.

The reason was because he hated Jews. That was his whole driving force. He didn't care about German people or anything, his entire goal was to eliminate Jews. To think that someone would rise from being some common citizen to a dictator just because of a hatred for a race is amazing. It shows you that hatred can be a very powerful force. One of the most facinating people, ever.

He was a horrible human being who failed at what he was trying to accomplish. Hitler = Piece of shit.

Also, he only had one testicle.

thats a load of crap, he was very much for the the rise of Germany as an empire, he used the jews as scapegoats to rally support for his cause. If he had not cared for Germany he would just settled on exterminate the jews in Germany without launching a total war in Europe. So he and his nazi propaganda machine was totally for the rise of the German empire or Third Reich as he called it, and this Reich should be racial pure
He was a brilliant speaker and actor that spellbound his listener, but he was totally f*cked in the head, an extremly egosentric maniac.

Yeah, as I said he was a sick genius...

And as I said. You're banned.

SkizoFrenic

Yeah, I'm on it. Thanks for your reports.

He hated the jews because he blamed them for Germany's defeat in WW1, and hence the great depression.
Before hitler came to power, there were many jews in lots of high powered financial positions throughout europe.
Hitler thought that Germany could have won the first world war. However, the jews managed to cut their supplies. Hitler felt as though they had betrayed germany when they did this, and blamed the jews for the defeat of germany and the subsequent depression.

Ha!

I respect Hitler for the way he could rise a crowd... he could make men commit unspeakable evils just with his words...

thats so totaly awesome

once more I agree with Finti... though I didnt know that...

Right idea, wrong means.

(Prepares for flames.)

P.S. What is up with all these retards posting shit on the forums all of a sudden? Are they all Philo or what?

Yes, they are all Philo

(Between brackets: Philosophicus aka Mind aka Chain Smoker aka poet aka teop aka Schizophrenic aka SkizoFrenic aka Nice Guy aka F*ckModerators aka F*ckModerators2 aka F*ckModerators3 aka F*ckModerators4 aka WindFarter aka WindTanzer aka 999 aka rat aka tar7 aka 111111 aka Truth.)

Double-you tee eff.

Can we lease concentrate on the discussion about Adolf Hitler, rather than Philo. He obviously has nothing better to do with his life.

I think he is a hateful person who likes only himself.The reason I hate his guts is because my grandfather dead in one of his death camps and I never met him. hitlerraygun

^ Aw, come on, if we keep talking about him he might become so happy that he'll never post here again .

Yup, it's all me. I've finally lost it - they are taking me to an asylum for mad philosophers next week.

I have to make all these socks, because the moderators are banning me constantly.

/sigh

Oops, not pointed to JM...that would be humorously inappropriate.

You got me there!jm

There's a reason why you're being banned permanently. You're a cancer, one which SHOULD consider indefinite remission.

You're not welcome here.

Get a life or find something else to do with your time.

jawdrop

He was nothing less than a pure genius but why does everyone bash him stallion killled twice as many people

That would be Stalin, unless there was a mass murdering Horse in history that i know nothing about.

People say Hitler was a genius. People also say that genius borders on insanity. However, sometimes I think people mistake pure insanity for pure genius. If he was a pure genius he would not have made so manyu incredibly stupid decisions when it came to his wartime strategy.

He was a highly motivational speaker who told the masses what they wanted to hear. He had a few generals that really could put a plan into action, but luckily he ended up not letting the military men finish the job.
Hitler was a fine example of excellent selfpromotion, but he was no genius.

stallion? like the italian stallion? DOWN WITH ROCKY!!!!


seriously, your defending of hitler just solidifies my opinion of you...
one which i would probably get banned for stating, as there is no gentle
way to put it and this forum is PG13.

I never defended him I just said that he gets to much attention stallion and vad the impaler killed that many people before breakfast

sorry couldnt spell his name

And that would be "Vlad the Impaler". Vad was his younger brother known as "Vad the not as bad younger brother of Vlad the Impaler".

PVS> Look at the statements - look at the spelling and how the statements are being presented.
Typical "apologetic" nonsense - served in a manner that should tell you cleraly what kind of person you're dealing with.
Don't bother - it's not worth it. Don't lower yourself to that standard..

Kharmadog>

True. Stalin killed over 20 million of Russian people. The only difference is that it was called hero projects instead of death camp.
Hitler was a genius of manipulting people. He manipulated the German people and the people around him. But one thing, he wouldnt of got anywhere if he didnt have the propaganda mater by his side.

Hilter is a worthless person and horrible person though.

Let's see

Hitler: 30 million estimated kills

Stalin: over 60 million estimated kills

stalin dude: S-T-A-L-I-N
And stalin at least fought for a casue, comunism, not because he thought jews were ugly

ah u got ir right... bag

I don't think anyone said,"boy that Stalin, he was a great guy!"

This thread is about hitler. If Stalin fascinates you so much, start a thread about him.

Communism is just as dangerous to the world as neo-nazis

what she says

Napalm> AND?
Try reading the TITLE of this thread.
Then answer me this: Does Stalin and the Soviets having killed millions justify that Hitler and the Nazis killed millions?

and imagine....people compare the cute little guy with the funny mustache to Bush.

Im just saying hitler is overrated in the evil scale

no, certainly NO, China's comunist, Cuba's comunist, and do u see every day on CNN about chinese ppl killing republicans or whatever?? nope! neo nazis simply killed all the jews... there was nothing u could do, and with communism AT LEAST they give u a choice
Im not defending comunism though

Hitler is not over-rated on the evil scale. Perhaps because of you fascination with death and insanity you might think the guy was all right. But he was an evil little turd who condoned some of the most heinous acts committed against men, women and children.

hitler was more evil (not sure if "eviler" is a word!! ) than stalin

If you think hes evil you should read about ed gein

*has no idea who ed gein is*

one of the worst sieal killers of all time

Originally posted by BackFire
He was a horrible human being who failed at what he was trying to accomplish. Hitler = Piece of shit.


that describes all the presidents of the united states we have had the last 40 years with carter being the exception.

You can't quantify evil by how many deaths you want to lay at one man's door, inaccurate exercise as that is.

We might very easily point out that Stalin had far more people to work with, and took far longer to do it. For proportion and horrible efficiency, the mass myrder Hitlier initiated is the worst in history.

But to use this as a way to judge 'levels' of evil is ridiculously petty. It also implies that had he tried and failed, that would have made him less evil, which is an odd way to think.

Poor Ford!

...........

there is a german film out now describing the last days of Hitler, it describes him as the selfish psychopath he was. the film is called "Untergang" and I saw it last night and it was outstanding.

is it an old film??

what a ridiculous statement. as much as i detest nixon, reagan, lbj, and both bush's...how does their 'evil' equate to hitler's? you should at least offer an explanation.

clinton wasnt that bad bag

Failing what you set out to accomplish does not make one evil...

HiterhitlerV.S Lord Volemort I say for a fictional chactor he is just as bad as hilter!JM

killing thousands of civilians does

lol are u really comparing real life to harry potter?

I think that was part of the reason why Voldemort was created in the first place.

The whole "pure blood" arguement stinks of Nazism.

I didn't say that it doesn't. What I was commenting on was how BF said he failed to do what he set out to, and someone equated that to US presidents who certainly were not 'evil'. I was saying that just because someone failed doesn't make them evil. I said nothing about their methods.

Yeah the Movie Finti is refering to is called "Der Untergang" its ok I personally didn't find it great but watchable. I think it even gets a chance to win an oscar I sam not sure though .
Anywaqy Hitler was probably a great tactician and he surely was able to move the masses, but his actions were sick, and he is one of the woratr humans that ever lived.

Actually, he was a pretty poor tactician, if I remember what I learned in History and German class...he had many chances where he could have won but didn't.

However, he was a great speaker, and excellent at twisting words around and getting people to blindly follow him.

It just came out last year in Germany. It wasn't released in the US (at least I don't think so).

oh lol I thought u were talkin about hitler, i was like wtf lol

He was a strategist, not a tactician, in which respect he had great vision but little practicality.

Shakes head and lets out big sigh..........

This statement is just so riduculous that I think everyone should just take a moment to point and laugh.
pokey

I am sorry I missused the word tactician, I meant strategist, well he probably missed some chances to win but just to take it as far as he did was pretty hard, you know if you want to take over the world germany isn't exactly the best choice as starting pont.

that's mean

true though

wut?

We should take a moment to face the sheer stupidity

and he never listened to anyone but himself

well not because not all members are as 'smart ' as u are means we have to make fun of them, and this is certainly not the thread to make fun of them.

Right before he commited suicide, he ordered that Germany be burned down and that all German citizens be killed because they failed him and weren't worthy of his genius. Yes, he actually said that.

Think about it, he was an Austrian, and the only thing he honestly wanted was to kill all Jews.

No no no, I am not saying I am smarter than anyone ( evewn though I am of course) but this post is just stupid, you can't compare a sick killer leader to some fictional childrens book character.

This is just not true, he wanted to kill jews yes but much more he wanted to rule the world and he wante that the new race would be pure.

Hitler is evil! WE do not need to show dead Jews in concentration camps to prove this point. Those images haunt me sometimes because they are so gruesome. Piles of lifeless bodies all over the place in ten foot heaps. I don't know what can be more eviler. Bush is not hitler but he isn't the next honest Abe.

The difference between genius and insanity lies only in success

That doesnt mean that one was more evil than the other. It only means that one was more successful than the other. When you reach the death toll of millions of people, numbers dont matter, as the human trajedy has already occured.

Hitler was a genius.




So once you reach a million it is a trajedy? Wow is one death not enough for you?

The number of people he killed isnt what makes him evil. The fact that he tried to kill so many more is what makes him evil. The fact that he didnt kill as many as stalin just makes him less successful

I don't believe in anything called good or evil, but there is hatred... and Hitler was a hateful genius. The fact that he rose up from being a ordinary citizen to one of the all time most influentual humans ever is what solidifies it.

One death is a trajedy, but there is far more diference between one death and a million deaths than there is between 30 million deaths and 60 million deaths.


One thing about hitler was that he was absolutely firm in his beliefs, and NEVER compromised over anything.

Hitler actually compromised quite a lot.... for instance, in mMein Kampf he orates about the decadence of the German bourgoisie, yet he relied upon them to fund his political ambitions.... he was also unimpressed by the role of the "outdated" German nobility, yet used them to cement his position... if you look at it, wasn't it strange that a "Socialist Workers party" should include such people as Herman Goering, that renowned champion of the working classes... who referred to the Austrian of World War 1 as "idlers, one and all..." (obviously including Corporal Hitler....) Hitler was definitely an enigma... he knew all the tricks of oratory, even to the extent that jews would cheer his anti-semitic speeches.... he would not contemplate the use of poison gas on soldiers (this partly due to his having been a victim of poison gas himself) or civilians.... he was against the bombing of British Cities, until Goering talked him into it... (Hitler told goering on several occasions that bombing British civilians was useless.... "They are like us," he said..."Bomb their families and they will fight even harder.." And he knew a lot about human beings.... "People," he said, "will sooner fall for the big lie than for the small one..." and he recognised that the quickest way to unite a people is against something, not for something....

Hitler was a smart guy.

arrogant bastard

and she did, yes it's stupid but we shouldn't laugh at her u should've said "it's not smart to compare a TEEN's book character to a sick killer leader" not say "we should all point at her and laugh "

YEAH AND A SICK F**K TOO

It evens out

lol

it does even out to a 100% crazy 100% smart

100% + 100% = 200% he not human !!!!!!!!

Hitler was interesting,
he was a creation of the system. Liek TO said the first page, he was an effect rather than a cause. Becaue of the treaty of Versaille (sp??) Germany was really oppressed and stuff, He rose out of the rubble and did what Germany needed, he pulled them outta the depression, he did this by militarizing and industrilizing. then he took it too far and turned to facism and empire-building.
But the Jew extermination was not in his original plan, or it seems not to be. That seemed like something tacked on to the side.
Yes he made the Jews scapegoats for everything that was wrong, but thats not really anything new. Empires had been doing that for a long time, maybe not as severe but still.
The Final solution was borrowed, he didn't come up with it. He looked at the Turkish execution of the Armenians and ran with it. and it was called the final solution becuase it was just that. Germany was losing and the allied nations were pushing forward, so thats when he made the decision.
I'm not sayinghe wan't evil, he was, as was satlin and counltess other men, but you jsut have to look at circumstances to truly understand.

Yeah, I remember studying WWII and the holocaust in high school. My teacher gave me this book of pictures of the holocaust and it was beyond gruesome. This one picture showed these two 5 year old boys standing for the picture and their crotches had been "experimented" on by Nazi doctors for no medical reason at all. That image is something I will never forget.

Whoa, what did they do to them?

I wish the depth and complexity of reality was more apparent to some of those participating in this thread. Hitler was not just an anti semite. Had that been the case, there wouldn't have been others in the camps than Jews.

The truth about Hitler was that he was a genious. But he wasn't a great man. I watch the documentaries on the man and I am in awe of his ability to control the people around him. It wasn't just political, it was religious. Not only did Hitler control the politics of Germany, but he controlled the religion. He became the religion of Germany. The biggest aspect of Hitler to be considered is his ability to understand and dictate the passions of the people he ruled.
To discount the fact that this man controlled those around him is to ignore the truth of the man. Many people in this thread want to count bodies to say that one man was more evil than the next. But that point is lost in this discussion. The major difference between Stalin and Hitler was that one was around longer than the next. These are two men that were considered allies for a long time before Hitler decided to stab Stalin in the back. Stalin was so caught off guard by Hitlers betrayal that he didn't believe that action had to be taken until it was too late and the Nazis were already half way to the Russian capital. Stalin once said that the word of an honouralbe German was proof enough for him that there was no reason to second guess Hitler.

The truth of the matter was that Hitler was a genious. He was a radical and he was a nut. It is often said that one can be both and all of those things at the same time. Do not discount the fact that this madman founded the most progressive and radical government seen on the planet. Hitler is oneof those oddities that proves that extreme politics can work, but only in the most extreme cases...when no opossition is allowed.

He wanted a grand Germanic empire that was his goal

He can't have been that smart. He lost.
THe allies had many plans to assasinate him, but pulled out at the last moment, as they were afraid of a more competant leader taking over from hitler. They thought hitler was better off where he was making loads of bad military decisions

hitler was a derranged psychopath

He also killed himself and his wife or what ever she was.So I would not say he was too bright!JM

Hitler picked on the Jews and Gipsies because he knew people already hated them... you can guarantee that if Muslims had been in the same position as the jews were then, it would have been "death to the evil Muslims who have ruined our country..." lets be honest, anti semitism is one of the very oldest forms of racism, predating even colour prejudice.... the jews were an easy mark... anti semitism was rife all over Europe... it was the general opinion in England in the 1930s that hitler's idea of resettling the jews in their own homeland, away from everyone else, was a pretty good idea, and that we should follow suit....

This was probably pretty smart though, he would have died either way so what. At least he could decide for himself.

And saying Hitler wasn't to smart because he didn't win is wrong. C'mon look at the statistics, just compare the number of soldiers of Axis to Allies. He wasn't able to win , of course he made mistakes, he might even have been able to take Britain if he destroyed there navy, but every GEneral makes mistakes, and it might have looked a much better choice to bomb cities at the moment.

I can't disargee with that.JM

Eva Braun, she wasn't his wife.

I know that is why I said who ever she was.Was she his girlfriend?JM

Yes, I suppose.

Why did he kill her before killing himself?JM

Well cause he didn't want to live in a world where he wasn't powerful and unpure people running around with the same rights, he probably thought he did her a favor.

eva braun was ugly

since he had so much power, y didnt he get a prettier one?? he loved her? lol hard 2 believe

Hitlers major mistake was to break their treaty and attack the Soviet Union

Why?

Finti, I don'T think rto break the treaty was stupid, just to attack them during winter was a bad move.

Eva Braun was his wife. They were married in a cerimony that took place just a few hours before commiting suicide together.

breaking a treaty with one country while at war with others are always stupid . And they launched the attack(which broke their treaty with USSR .)( Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact) on June 22, 1941( Operation Barbarossa). Hitler , overconfidence as he was, expected to have a victory in the east within a few months. They never planned a winter campaign in the east it should be all over before the winter set in.


All in all the bad move was to attack Soviet Union.

Finti is right. This opened Germany up to a two front war. Had Hitler waited until the fall of western Europe, he could have easily taken out the Soviets. However short-sighted Hitler may have been to break the treaty and attack the Soviets, it hardly compares to the short-sightedness of Stalin to enter into a treaty with the Nazis. If anyone had the foresight to read Mein Kampf, the whole world would have stopped the Nazis before they attacked Poland in Sept of '39. Hitler laid out all of his plans in this book. The irradication of the Jews, the hatred for Communism, the world government, the master race, etc! It was all in Mein Kampf. To my knowledge, Churchill seemed to have been the only world leader that took the time to read the book. This is why he spent years calling for more action against pre-war Germany...and he was called a nut and warmonger. Only after the outbreak of war did everyone else catch up to him. Stalin should have read the book too. Germany had already invaded Russia before Stalin would believe that Hitler had betrayed him.

nah they were to busy nursing the peace from WW I so it wouldnt have made a difference if more State leaders read Mein Kampf or not

Sure it would have. Maybe then they would have known that appeasing Hitler wasn't going to stop him. It was years into German rearmamnet before anyone would listen to the intelligence reports that the Nazis were rebuilding their army. Sure, no one wanted another world war..and that's why the appeased him. But if they had done something earlier, they could have stopped him before he got started.

Well the problem was thatr he planned to attack them erarlier though, he could have had a chance to win, he just had to help mussolini in Africa before so he couldn't launch the attack earlier. Of course it probably would have been better for him not to attack the USSR he could have won though.

well cuz u never expect a person so cold... so evil... would ever find love... love's a gift it's what it is...

I think he was more afraid of what they might do to him when the truth of the full extent of the holocaust was revealed

he'd have found it hard to kill her after he'd killed himself.....

Well, his major mistake was to allow the holocaust. However, in military terms, the attacking of the soviet union was in my opinion the beginning of the end for the germans. I suppose they were overconfident after conquering all of europe (except for 3 or 4 countires), but it was a stupid mistake to assault russia. If they never broke the soviet treaty, they could very well have conquered the UK, although I dont know if they would have even continued onto america or africa, or whether they only wanted to rule europe..

lol

This is of course true i forgot to wwrite that in.

How is Love a gift though?

/\? wtf?
what do you mean about love being a gift?

well, love is good right? and why should something good happen to someone who's bad? good things happen to good ppl, bad things happen to bad ppl... its just the way it is

Yeah like with this Hiob dude, or when all these jews were killed, wait a minute they might have been good people. I think your conclusion lacks some kind of truth there.

good ppl, bad ppl?
if it were that easy to decide....

it'S perhaps what you feel is good or bad, but there is always someone else who disagrees!

yea, for hitler jews etc. were bad people and the other way around....

great, then you only have bad ppl so there can only be bad things happening then, or who's point of view counts?

well ppl who killed jews cuz they thought it was are crazy

Well I agree with Spatzi, even though I still don't see the connection beetween love-gift-goodness-badness.

gah! there's a difference betweew not understanding and not wanting to comprehend

i think so too, but well they didn't.... and they have their right to their opinion too! who am i to tell them, they are wrong? i just think so and am glad that the law agrees with me....

i would never claim my point of view is the right one!

ok, so you say love only comes to good people, who says what is good and what not?

common sense does, killing is wrong...or bad.... I havent heard of many killers who have a happy life at home and a lovely wife

Well, I haven't heard of many killers at all I have to say. But for example I heard of a lot of rapist that had a family and kids. And also other "bad" people had a good life, maybe even better lives than most "good" will ever have. And Common Sense has no right to claim that what they belive is the Absolute Right.

perhaps it was "common semse" to kill jews for them at that time.....

that doesn't make it right, doesn't it? or are you so arrogant to say that your common sense is the one everyone should live like?

well if the guy was raping girls meant that he wasnt happy right?? i mean his wife prolly wouldnt... do the nasty lol

and no it wasn't common sence to kill jews at that time, hitler's idea was original nobody had done it before him...
and no Im not sayin that everyone should live by common sense, dont put words on my mouth, ok?

Well a llotn of people persecuted others, often Jews too. Doesn'T make it right in the societys we live nowadays, but saying that, it was generally wrong is not true, it is wrong for you, for spatzi for me and for most people nowadays but we canT claim to now what is really right and wrong, if there is such a thing anyway

but it's not like hitler's religion said "u must kill jews" the idea simply ocurred to him

and hello btw! winkiss will you visit your cave again?

take it to PMs or Ill report u

ETA: Im sorry that was rude, I apologize