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some Coldplay fans think that keane is trying to copy coldplay because of the way they play without guitars

Keane is a good band but, However Coldplay is the best no one could never be at the same level as coldplay

Who do you think is the best?

I dont think Kenae sound anything like coldplay, considering the fact that coldplay do use guitars in their songs. Just because theyve got a piono in the band doesnt make them the same. Whats next Keane vs Coldplay vs Muse?

well...i hate coldplay...simply because chris martin is a pretentious overbearing prick who needs to stop lecturing people about the benefits of "fair trade"

sorry chris but now everyone can afford to pay more for their food...unlike you who doesnt have to count the pennies like the rest of us

keane are overplayed now...im not usually a musical snob but the fact that i went around for most of 2003 saying to people "keane...keane are gonna be big...trust me"...and most people gave the response "who the **** are keane" or "keane are shit" mostly because if they arent popular then they arent good

now everyone is practically licking their collective bumhole

so to put it bluntly..neither

They're both shit, boring, awful bands.

-AC

when will the boring repetitive oh so similar indie stop?!

The Shins are better as far as British indie music goes.

This is how I feel when Coldplay comes on ...

dont like keane nor coldplay nono

Keane are better, purely cos i detest Coldplay and Travis (aka Coldvis or Travplay)

or even better...coldpiss and travesty

saying that...travis done a good cover of joni mitchells "river"

apart from that...cant say im a fan

cant stand either of them , Keane are too ****ing overplayed for a shit band and Coldplay are a bunch of lame asses

Keane are just so dull.

-AC

*Coldplay have a guitarist*
Just to let you know, you silly willy.

Ok so everyone here hates Keane because youve heard them a lot. Right? Ok you all sound like the worthless pieces of shit journalsits from annoying magazines and newspapers. You build up a band saying they are gonna be good, then when everyone loves them and you hear them a lot you instantly hate them, and if anyone likes them they are idiots... you people are talking bollocks!

i just get "played out" when i hear the same stuff continuously for a long time...regardless of the quality of the music...i still put them on now and again (yes i have hopes and fears) but i still tend to skip the single releases that are on the album

thats just the way it is for me

as for coldplay...ive just never liked them...i sont like chris martins vocals...they never struck a chord with me...

but the way you spoke about them it sounded as if you were being a predictable media whore.

predictable media whore.

now theres a band name if ever there was one

do you really think i'm like that?...i know deep down you know better than that

I dont think you are like that, but thats what your making yourself sound like...

ok..i'll try and redeem myself

"I LOVE COLDPLAY AND I DONT CARE WHAT ANY OF YOU GOTH,MOSHER,METALHEADS ****ING SUICIDAL FREAKS THINK!"

aaahhh...thats better

I didnt say you had to like them, but the way you were speaking about them was just unnecessary

It doesnt matter if they arent popular, i like them because i thought they had a good sound and i can understand if someone doesnt like them but that doesnt give them the right to shit-talk them to other ppl who might like them. what chnged your mind? just the fact that they were overplayed?

that seems to be the case on this thread.

perhaps...musically i dont like them...but the political points i feel quite strongly about in relation to chris martin...he really gets up my nose as most celebrity charity workers do...

he is the type who does his work in the full glare of the media which seems to me like he is trying to promote his own image more than the cause itself...and preaching to people like me who dont have 2 pennies to rub together (im a poor uni student) and asking me to pay 50% more for my goods...well i struggle to get by as it is...where as im sure the extra 50p on a pack of bananas doesnt make much difference to him

i also beleive that if the celebs who feel that strongly about issues like these bothered to give up just half of the huge amounts of money they earn from our already battered pockets...then that would make far more difference than i ever could

so in that sense i really REALLY dont like the guy at all

hmmm.

Well its not the coldpaly thing thats buging me, it the keane thing, where you liked them at frist then changed your mind cos they were 'overplayed'.

sorry, but if youre a celebrity, then how can you not do everything in the full glare in the media?

Exactly.

for keane is just pure old fashioned "played to death" syndrome

perhaps i brought it on myself because i listened to the album alot when i got it at first....then going into work and "everybodys changing" never being off the radio for more than 5 minutes...and watching all the people i had been telling that keane were great and who had said "who the ****?"...watching all those people going around singing the song...

you know how it is...it just got over played

i'll probably still buy there next album...

Its he same thing that happened to the darkness.

you dont need to make your best intentions a media circus...i know there have been massive donations made to charity by celebrities and buisness men that they wished to remain anonymous

its not like the coverage of chris martins charity work is stumbled upon by a papparazzi photographer...they are organised press junkets that are more about his image than the cause he is promoting

okay, but obviously just becoz you like the song doesnt mean you have to listen to it all the time. i think for you it was just a case of everyone else changing their minds about keane that made you change yours. Does that make sense?

it makes sense to me...

dont get me started on the darkenss...you wont like what i turn into when people go on about the darkness

ok nevermind them.

woah...hit a nerve, did she?

i can see why you would think that but its not...it really is just a case of song fatigue...hearing it when i want to hear it is one thing...but it being blasted out of every jukebox in every pub or on every radio constantly for weeks on end just gets on my proverbial thrupenny bits

more than you will ever know...

Leanne you promised me to visit greenday.

ok...to keep the lovely ladies happy

and

see what you've gone and done now

just to keep the ladies happy.....

well...duty calls...i have to go and write a review of the forensic investigations and identification of victims of drowning...starting with the tsunami in Asia...ahh...the life i lead

start with the basics eh

http://www.dundee.ac.uk/forensicmedicine/llb/water.htm

okays tatty byes

well thats 1500 words of that done for now...had to do a bit on the mass graves of Srebrenica as well though...all light reading i shit you not...

What do you do for a living?

scrounge money from people mostly...im at university studying forensic science...and sadly...work part time at tesco...

Coldplay are by far the best

sounds like a barrel o' laughs...

well its a barrel of something...not quite sure what mind you...probably bits of people

I'm just starting to get into Keane, I like their stuff.

Keana are at number one in the album charts again.

yep yep yep

Is it just me........or are Keane...nothing at all?

What is their music? Is it even music? I wouldn't subject retirement home dwellers to that level of boredom.

Ever seen the South Park where Stan's grandpa plays him stuff by Enya and he tries to escape? That's what it'd be like. Hundreds of old crones and cronettes turning their wheelie-zimmer up to hyperdrive and bursting out the door like mechanical cattle.

-AC

Of course its music, just not your musical taste.

That's not what it always comes down to.

Of course it's ACTUALLY music. No melody, nothing catchy...nothing good. Music is just the "art" it falls under.

-AC

I think its catchy actually.

When people say Franz Ferdinand are catchy (although I dislike them and disagree), I can see why.

Just cannot see it with Keane.

-AC

My fave keane song is Bedshaped, i think its so lovely, and whenever i hear it i'll be singing it all day and wont get sick of it.

i dont like this kind of music that much but the reason i started the thread is kuz i think, eventhough keane is a new band that is bearly getting started they play very well thats why i am comparing them with coldplay because they use a similar way to sing just as Coldplay but i am not saying that keane are better than cold play its just that they play and sing very well
in conclusion i think that if they could reach fame in least than a year just as Franz Ferdinand did, Then what could we expectin their (both keane & Franz) next album

Keane make me sleepy, sorry - far too boring

They sld the most ablums of last year, where are all the fans that bought them?

They're not on here. Lets face it, the majority of people who like Keane are well...old, or older than the most of us in the music forum anyway. They're a boring easy listening band who are only successful because they've flown in on the back of all these other sub-Radiohead ''indie'' rock bands. Same applies for Snow Patrol, The Libertines, Coldplay, Franz Ferdinand etc etc. They all have the same basic set up and they are all just as boring in their individual ways.

In my humble opinion the only British bands around at the moment that are actually worth listening to are Porcupine Tree and The Wedding Present.

Why do people continually refer to album sales?

Keane are lame. Coffee table, retirement home music.

Def, when you're on MSN send me a message. I have a British band worth listening to for you.

-AC

you really have chip on your shoulder dont you AC?

Multiple.

I know that answer is gonna annoy you, you knew that too. Yet you still asked, so you have no right to complain if it did.

-AC

i asked what question?...certainly wasnt me who posted the thread...

and it takes considerably more than your humerous ranting to annoy me

Goodie

-AC

yippeeeeeeeee

Originally posted by Deathblow
They're not on here. Lets face it, the majority of people who like Keane are well...old, or older than the most of us in the music forum anyway. They're a boring easy listening band who are only successful because they've flown in on the back of all these other sub-Radiohead ''indie'' rock bands. Same applies for Snow Patrol, The Libertines, Coldplay, Franz Ferdinand etc etc. They all have the same basic set up and they are all just as boring in their individual ways.

In my humble opinion the only British bands around at the moment that are actually worth listening to are Porcupine Tree and The Wedding Present.

Ok, well im sorry but radiohead were not the first indie band, the smiths were around along time before radiohead. Dont compare new bands to them its pretty much been done before.

Oh and i like how you name all the 'well-known magazine cover' bands, and prefere the bands that have not yet hit it really big. Hmm thats strange...

Let's not confuse hitting it big with being good.

Prime example: Franz Ferdinand are superstars, Coldplay are superstars, Snow Patrol are doing well in the States it seems.

All these shit indie bands (our version of the Emo-Clone wars in the States) with the same sound-different name adage, don't get mentioned here because they're shit. Just because you're on your own liking The Libertines near enough, doesn't raise their credibility.

-AC

Radiohead arent even Indie are they? neway doesnt matter.
my opinion, Indie has been sucked into the fad-machine... itll be sucked in, bastardized and churned back out with a million more exact copies, if u wanna like them...then so be it, but recognise that there is alot more worth listening to out there

says the metal fans...the genre that has been churning out the same shit for 20 years and giving different sub genres in a futile attempt to make them seem original

Why do you assume that because we don't like the oh-so dull British music scene right now we are all know nothing metalheads?

Metal makes about 30% of my musical preference, maybe less. And if you think newer metal is shit and unoriginal, you obviously haven't heard Dark Tranquility, Opeth, Meshuggah or Sevendust to name but four.




Originally posted by Libertine
Ok, well im sorry but radiohead were not the first indie band, the smiths were around along time before radiohead. Dont compare new bands to them its pretty much been done before.

Oh and i like how you name all the 'well-known magazine cover' bands, and prefere the bands that have not yet hit it really big. Hmm thats strange...

Did I say Radiohead were the first? Nope. Don't put words in my mouth. I said all these bands today are sub-Radiohead, sub meaning similar to, but inferior. Understand?

The Wedding Present are the only band in history to have had a single in the top 40 every month for one year, and had multiple songs in John Peel's festive 50's. They are big. Porcupine Tree aren't big because they are too creative and unique-sounding for the mainstream. If only they were to dress up in matching suits and ties, grow their hair into a matted mess, start taking cocaine and playing monotonous retro-rock, they'd become big. Silly them.

we can all play the stereotype game

metal...long haired black wearing headbangers who disguise their lack of talent by sticking the distortion up full

not particularly accurate and just as pointless as your stereotypical image of indie bands

ive never seen oasis in matching suits...

the british music scene is better now than it has been for years...its just pity that where i live , the pubs are choked up with absolutely pish metal bands with very few bands making it out into a wider scene...snow patrol being one of them...and in fact formed no more than a stones throw from my front door

the cream always rises to the top...

you can also blame the clone wars that every music genre has on the record company bosses...

one company sees a band make it big and all the other companies want a nice big fat slice of the pie

Originally posted by jaden101
we can all play the stereotype game

metal...long haired black wearing headbangers who disguise their lack of talent by sticking the distortion up full

That would do nothing but prove how little you really know.

This so-called ''indie'' is stereotypical in itself. As I said before it's all the same sub-Radiohead boredom fests, if there were some exceptions, and some of these bands were attention grabbing, I wouldn't say that. But there aren't. It's all so despairingly, depressingly dull. And I know, I have friends who listen to nothing but The Libertines and this other band with a female lead..I forget the name now. I've seen shows in various bars and it's flatline music.

why is is "flatline" music...cause it isnt 300bpm talentless power chord shite

Originally posted by Deathblow
That would do nothing but prove how little you really know.



would it now...well lets test that theory...i'll google image some of the metal bands that have been brought up an img them onto this post

meshuggahhttp://www.nuclearblast.de/news/newsmay03/meshuggah.jpg

iced earth http://www.hotmetalradio.com/bands/photos/Iced_Earth.jpg

amon amarth http://www.metalblade.de/Photos2/AmonAmarth_band500.jpg

shadows fall http://us.ent2.yimg.com/musicfinder.yahoo.com/images/yahoo/century_media/shadowsfall/0603_shadows_fall_l.jpg

opeth

http://www.ilosaarirock.fi/2003/bandit/bandit_images/opeth.jpg

dark tranquility
http://www.spaghettitaliani.com/Musica/News/DARK%20TRANQUILITY.jpg

it has to be said...some of your choices are hardly dispelling any myths or destroying any stereotypes of the metal genre


this is the reason ive always found it pretty sad that people who listen to metal continuously take the piss out of "fashion victims" for always being dressed the same...when they all look the same as well

stereotypes...yes there are bands in the indie scene that fit the image you described...but dont try and defend metal based on a holier than thou image crusade and preach about them being all the same

first time I heard Keane - I thought it was the band Travis

Originally posted by jaden101
why is is "flatline" music...cause it isnt 300bpm talentless power chord shite

No, because it's boring shit. That's why.

-AC

Hey, you said that stereotyping metal bands that way shows how little we know about them, your stereotype of Indie music shows just how little you know about that 'type' of music.

Did I stereotype indie? I was referring to Keane.

Most "indie" is boring shit. Just more bands for NME to hump.

-AC

Yes you did, saying they dress the same, and calling them shit also shows how little you know.

I calling them shit isn't a stereotype. It's an opinion.

They're shit. Couldn't care less WHAT they wear. I know enough about music to know that Keane, Embrace, Thirteen Senses, The Thrills, The Stills, Hope of the States and all those shit bands are just clones. Pointless ones. Jumping on the bandwagon.

Saying how little I know isn't a position you're in when you have one of the world's most MEDIOCRE and boring bands in your signature.

-AC

Why dont you stop talking grow your hair and fantasise just how amazing it would be if we still lived in the eighties. The decade that good musical taste forgot.

Hit a nerve?

What does hair have to do with anything?

I never forgot about the 80s. Besides the shit Pop wave, it was one of the best times. Don't talk to me about Music like I'm some know nothing just coz you don't like the fact that I picked at your favourite band.

-AC

Ya exactly! You picked at my fave band. Maybe the fact that you had to hit me so personally is because you dont know what the **** your talking about!

Originally posted by jaden101
it has to be said...some of your choices are hardly dispelling any myths or destroying any stereotypes of the metal genre

this is the reason ive always found it pretty sad that people who listen to metal continuously take the piss out of "fashion victims" for always being dressed the same...when they all look the same as well

stereotypes...yes there are bands in the indie scene that fit the image you described...but dont try and defend metal based on a holier than thou image crusade and preach about them being all the same

That's nice. Really that's very nice. Now, enlighten me, what's your point? I don't actually care what those bands look like. I don't care if they look somewhat similar. I just don't care. Why you've spent all that time digging up pictures of those bands is beyond me. It's true that quite a lot (but not all) metal bands have a similar image, but, and I'm sorry to repeat myself, I don't care. Also, I don't like Iced Earth or Amon Amarth, and I have a right to point out that all these ''indie'' bands do look the same, because they do. At least the metal bands have personality in their image.

I don't need to defend metal against the attacks you're making, because one, I don't care about their image, and two, the comments you've made about metal bands being talentless hacks hiding behind distortion is laughable. I'd just love to hear Bloc Party attempting to write a stunning 15 minute epic love song switching between loud and electric and soft and acoustic in such a seamless way you don't even notice the change, because that's what Opeth do. You haven't heard these bands, so don't even try to judge their musical ability, that's just idiotic.

It's a fact that Meshuggah are better musicians than The Libertines, it's a fact that the Dark Tranquility lead guitarist would melt the The Killers guitarist face, it's a fact that Lajon Witherspoon's singing voice makes every indie vocalist sound like a silly little child. We're into facts now.

And let me point out to you seeing as you seem to have once again ignored me and taken me for a metalhead, metal only covers around 30% of my musical taste. It's not my favorite genre, and most of my favorite bands are not metal bands.

Originally posted by Libertine
Ya exactly! You picked at my fave band. Maybe the fact that you had to hit me so personally is because you dont know what the **** your talking about!

I know what I'm talking about, don't take me calling The Libertines shit, personal. I'm not dissing YOU.

Rest assured, I DO know what I'm on about. That scares you because you can't combat it.

-AC

Originally posted by Deathblow
That's nice. Really that's very nice. Now, enlighten me, what's your point? I don't actually care what those bands look like. I don't care if they look somewhat similar. I just don't care. Why you've spent all that time digging up pictures of those bands is beyond me. It's true that quite a lot (but not all) metal bands have a similar image, but, and I'm sorry to repeat myself, I don't care. Also, I don't like Iced Earth or Amon Amarth, and I have a right to point out that all these ''indie'' bands do look the same, because they do. At least the metal bands have personality in their image.

I don't need to defend metal against the attacks you're making, because one, I don't care about their image, and two, the comments you've made about metal bands being talentless hacks hiding behind distortion is laughable. I'd just love to hear Bloc Party attempting to write a stunning 15 minute epic love song switching between loud and electric and soft and acoustic in such a seamless way you don't even notice the change, because that's what Opeth do. You haven't heard these bands, so don't even try to judge their musical ability, that's just idiotic.

It's a fact that Meshuggah are better musicians than The Libertines, it's a fact that the Dark Tranquility lead guitarist would melt the The Killers guitarist face, it's a fact that Lajon Witherspoon's singing voice makes every indie vocalist sound like a silly little child. We're into facts now.

And let me point out to you seeing as you seem to have once again ignored me and taken me for a metalhead, metal only covers around 30% of my musical taste. It's not my favorite genre, and most of my favorite bands are not metal bands.

dont attack other genre's of music on the basis of image if you dont want someone to throw it back in your face...

as for the rest of your points...totally subjective and in my opinion (and it needs to be said...the opinions of more people than not) that those points are total horse shit...

just because you can wank a guitar at a rate of knots it doesnt mean that you have to in order to show a talent...

screaming into a mic doesn't constitute talent either

so some real facts

bloc party are magnificent...opeth are shit...and thats all there is to it...

Bloc Party could mop the vomit off Opeth's dressing room floor if you wanna talk talent.

Bloc Party are just what most indie fans think is clever music because they don't know anything better.

-AC

^ Exactly...



Originally posted by jaden101
dont attack other genre's of music on the basis of image if you dont want someone to throw it back in your face...

as for the rest of your points...totally subjective and in my opinion (and it needs to be said...the opinions of more people than not) that those points are total horse shit...

just because you can wank a guitar at a rate of knots it doesnt mean that you have to in order to show a talent...

screaming into a mic doesn't constitute talent either

so some real facts

bloc party are magnificent...opeth are shit...and thats all there is to it...

Holy hell. Obviously you have trouble with reading, so here goes, one last time:

I don't care about their image. They may all look similar, yes, but I don't care.

How can you throw something I don't care about in my face? Image means nothing to me, I just commented on the fact that all those bands look alike, which they do. Kind of mirrors the sound really.

Seriously, haha, you keep digging yourself into a deeper hole here. You haven't heard these bands, so stop making blind assumptions. Dark Tranquility have solos and riffs that are 100% percent melodic, no errr ''guitar wanking'' involved. And Lajon Witherspoon was a gospel and soul singer before he joined his band, he literally NEVER screams. Good guesses though, but next time, try getting actual facts to back up your statements

''Opeth are shit'', wow that sentence on it's own would be funny enough, but you had to make it better by including the ''Bloc Party are magnificent'' part. Even people who dislike Opeth acknowledge their talent as musicians, well, those who actually understand music.

ok...so opeth are talented musicians...who make shit music..

i can read perfectly...but once again...dont play the image card for one genre and try yo use it to take the piss when the genre you are arguing for do the exact same thing...

as for you AC...if you think bloc party are in the same musical genre as keane and coldplay then you obviously dont have a clue about music as you claim to

Originally posted by jaden101
ok...so opeth are talented musicians...who make shit music..



Who makes better music is opinion.

Which musicians are more skilled is fact.

you can be as skilled as you like...if you are going to choose to make pish music like metal then at least either try to do something that doesn't require using every cliche in the metal textbook

put it this way...if you want to be taken seriously as musicians then this is the wrong way to go about it

look at them...totally pathetic

if would be funny if it wasn't so tragic

Opeth make better music, by far.

The fact is, they're better musicians than Bloc Party will ever be. I'm not putting them in the same genre as Keane and Coldplay, just the same catagory.

Boring, bland music. If you don't know any better and have been sucked in to thinking that this band are actually doing something new and clever, then lets all laugh at you.

There's absolutely nothing about Bloc Party above mediocre, at all.

-AC

i like how you use those words...something that can never EVER be associated with bands like opeth...

bloc party are far beyond mediocre and even further beyond anything the metal genre can dig out of the ground

this can go on forever...fact is that im not going to change your mind and your not going to change mine

so lets just leave it at the fact that i am right and you are wrong

end of discussion

Originally posted by jaden101
i like how you use those words...something that can never EVER be associated with bands like opeth...bloc party are far beyond mediocre and even further beyond anything the metal genre can dig out of the ground

Hahaha. Possibly the most laughable comment ever. They're mediocre, nothing amazing about them at all. They're not doing anything Muse didn't do, better.

Originally posted by jaden101
this can go on forever...fact is that im not going to change your mind and your not going to change mine so lets just leave it at the fact that i am right and you are wrong

end of discussion

I don't give two waste nuggets whether you change your mind or not. Not trying to change your mind, don't want you to change your mind. Fact is, Bloc Party are just another run of the mill, dime a dozen, doing the same old thing band for NME to buff up and overhype. Nothing more, nothing less.

Their riffs are plain (not to mention recycled and boring), the drums are the most boring thing I've ever heard since Brian Chase of the Yeah Yeah Yeah's, the vocals sound painfully awkward.

They're just trying too hard to be something that they are not and will never be. A good band.

You're making it too easy for me Jaden.

Oh and surely you're capable of using the brain you appear to have, to condense 6 lines into one post. Not two mini posts. It doesn't make you look good you know.

While we're at it, I said this before to the Megadeth fan. You can't try to rip off my pound and tear debate style. It only works with me coz I'm just that good at it. You can't CLAIM fact if you have none, do you see how that works? Or do I need a chalkboard and a ruler?

-AC

you are showing your ignorance again AC...given that i listen to the music then i showed know if bloc party sound run of the mill...and the fact is...they dont

if i get desperate enough that i have to rip off your "pound and tear debate style" then i'll know all hope is lost...especially if i use it to "tear and pound" 14 year old girls in the simple plan threads in order to give myself a much needed ego boost

"Their riffs are plain (not to mention recycled and boring)"

the staple of metal music for 20 years...plain and boring riffs...power chords...how original

now you can go back to hanging around your local virgin megastore and out staring old women with your intimidating metal madness

Originally posted by jaden101
you are showing your ignorance again AC...given that i listen to the music then i showed know if bloc party sound run of the mill...and the fact is...they dont.

There's that "fact is" thing again. I don't judge without hearing, I've heard the album. So as long as I can say, yes.....they are run of the mill, you can't claim it as fact. Fact. They are run of the mill. Prove me wrong to the point that I cannot deny it....go on. You can't.

Originally posted by jaden101
if i get desperate enough that i have to rip off your "pound and tear debate style" then i'll know all hope is lost...especially if i use it to "tear and pound" 14 year old girls in the simple plan threads in order to give myself a much needed ego boost

Tsk tsk. I don't do it for that reason, I don't even use it on them. They like a shit band, I say it's shit. They try to be snappy, I make fools of them. It's simple really. You can't side with me in those threads and then try to turn it around when you're getting it handed to you.

Originally posted by jaden101
the staple of metal music for 20 years...plain and boring riffs...power chords...how original. now you can go back to hanging around your local virgin megastore and out staring old women with your intimidating metal madness

Resorting to insults Jaden? You disappoint me. Didn't you say "I listen to the music so I can say they're not run of the mill, fact"? Pretty much? More or less, yes you did. I'm gonna flip the script on you.

Being that I listen to Metal, I can say that you're wrong. Now what? What? You've got nothing. Actually nothing. FACT is, you ARE wrong there. There's more to prove Bloc Party are mediocre than you have on that one claim. To say everything in 20 years has been the same just shows how little you know about music.

Try again son. Or accept that you'll be number 2 as long as I'm here.

-AC

AC

face it...the music you listen is pish...its as simple as that

you'll never be right...because im right...i dont care if you cant accept that...

perhaps we sould take it from the authorities of music...the critics

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/b/bloc-party/silent-alarm.shtml

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/rockandalt/reviews/blocparty_silentalarm.shtml

Originally posted by jaden101
AC face it...the music you listen is pish...its as simple as that

It's as good as fact that I don't listen to "pish" music. Second, despite not having listened to the same music as I, you deduced it's pish? Maybe you're just not smart enough to get music that isn't pretentious BS. Run out of things to say? Ok. I'll finish you off painlessly then.

Originally posted by jaden101
you'll never be right...because im right...i dont care if you cant accept that...

Awwww, look at the kid. He's resorted to the "Despite making a complete and utter ass out of myself I'll just be safe in the knowledge that I think I am factually correct" technique. That's really nice and everything. Glad you have such faith in yourself champ, remember, it's all about dreams. Sorry that I had to smash yours but you know, had to be taken down a notch. You can't be me but you can try, I'm flattered.

Originally posted by jaden101
perhaps we sould take it from the authorities of music...the critics

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/b/bloc-party/silent-alarm.shtml

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/rockandalt/reviews/blocparty_silentalarm.shtml

Authorities of music? There are none. FACT. People with expert opinions are still just opinions. Funnily enough, real credible music magazines always rate the bands I love, very highly.

BBC are an authority eh? Why? Because they like Bloc Party? NME like Bloc Party, they are a more credible music source than the BBC. The NME also like The Libertines, The Bravery and Razorlight....and Keane....and Coldplay and nameless other boring, no sound, no melody bands.

The BBC gave Jonny Greenwood (yes the guy from Radiohead) complete charge of their orchestra........I wonder when they'll do that to Bloc Party or one of those bands.

Pssst....Jaden......the answer is they won't. Because those bands are shit .

-AC

and people with non expert opinions like you (and me as well) only have opinions as well...

im glad you finally pointed that out to yourself...maybe now you can move on with your life



WOW...you've just described your debating technique in every single thread you have ever dared to post in...



one minute you say that the bbc arent an authority on music...then you say they appoint the guy from radiohead to run their orchestra...so does that mean they know about music or not?...



http://www.boreme.com/bm/DEC02/a/office/pic1.jpg

Originally posted by jaden101
and people with non expert opinions like you (and me as well) only have opinions as well...im glad you finally pointed that out to yourself...maybe now you can move on with your life

I always bear in mind that, as long as it's not some undeniably shit band, it's my opinion. Some opinions are more valid than others and while we're there, don't put your musical opinion on par with mine. You like the Scissor Sisters and Bloc Party. I think we're done here.

Originally posted by jaden101
WOW...you've just described your debating technique in every single thread you have ever dared to post in...

No because I actually use fact wherever possible. If someone likes a band I think are shit....for example: Df02 likes Alexisonfire, right? I think they are shit. It's my opinion though. If someone likes Simple Plan, they are shit. No debating.

Originally posted by Khellendros
one minute you say that the bbc arent an authority on music...then you say they appoint the guy from radiohead to run their orchestra...so does that mean they know about music or not?...

Where does me pointing out something they did insinuate that they are an authority on music? It doesn't, nor was that what I implied. I was using what you said against you, rather effectively. You acted as though the British Broadcasting Corporation (yes, comedic isn't it) have some factual authority over music, they don't. You claimed that the bands I like are pish, I was showing you that BBC rate one of the bands I love, way higher than the band you call magnificent. So....2+2.....either way, as I said. Bloc Party and Scissor Sisters against Tool and Rage, yep. Zip it rookie.

More to the point, how can all the bands I like be pish when you've either A) Never heard em or B) Agreed that they're great. Eg: Zeppelin.

You're not doing any good Jade, you're just not on my level man. Maybe if you step your game up, you can have a pop at Shaggy.

-AC

does this mean it now has more to do with the person who likes the band rather than the band themselves that helps you decide if they are shit for real or shit just in your opinion...thats sounds like arse licking to me





why is that...because he gave the guy a job...woopdee doo...





seem to fo doing a pretty good job of keeping you wound up...

...rage are good...tool...aren't...and before you retort with your predictable comeback...yes..i have heard them...and yes...they are pish

Originally posted by jaden101
does this mean it now has more to do with the person who likes the band rather than the band themselves that helps you decide if they are shit for real or shit just in your opinion...thats sounds like arse licking to me

Not at all. I've openly told Df02 and Deathblow for that matter, my thoughts on Emo/Screamo and the bands contained therein. The fact that they like alot better bands than those, is why I have a respect for their musical opinion. If someone likes 3 good bands to 1 shit band, I can put it down to varying opinion

Someone who likes Simple Plan, Brand New, Something Corporate, The Used and Taking Back Sunday just have an extremely shit musical opinion.

Originally posted by jaden101
why is that...because he gave the guy a job...woopdee doo...

No, because the let the man take and use their orchestra based on the talent of him and the band he is a member of. When's it gonna happen to Bloc Party? It's not is it. What about Scissor Sisters? Nah.

Originally posted by jaden101
seem to fo doing a pretty good job of keeping you wound up......rage are good...tool...aren't...and before you retort with your predictable comeback...yes..i have heard them...and yes...they are pish

Don't flatter yourself Jade, you couldn't wind me up. Don't confuse the fact that I'm replying to you either.

Rage aren't "good". They're phenomenal. Saying Tool aren't good just shows how very little you know about music. As with Opeth, even people who don't like them acknowledge how astounding they are on their instruments, as with Rush also. Silent Alarm isn't a grower, you can listen to it once and then listen to it again and get nothing more out of it. Listening to a couple of Tool albums a few times isn't gonna do anything. You lack the musical intellect and depth perception to even appreciate Tool, that my friend, IS a fact.

Come on, do better than that. Haha, I'm actually too good for my own good sometimes. Although I'll admit you're not making it hard.

-AC

your posts are like car wrecks AC..you know you shouldn't look...but you just cant help it

i like the fact that you have simply repeated yourself for the last 2 pages

"You lack the musical intellect and depth perception to even appreciate Tool,"

there is nothing to appreciate...its crap...thats the way it is

there is a reason that metal bands dont get acknowledged...its not cause people dont have the intellect to appreciate them...its because its whiney miserable guff...and the way you trying to defend the genre only shows me that you fit lock stock into the stereotype of the angry little boy that goes hand in hand with metal

Originally posted by jaden101
i like the fact that you have simply repeated yourself for the last 2 pages "You lack the musical intellect and depth perception to even appreciate Tool,"

there is nothing to appreciate...its crap...thats the way it is

And I'M repeating myself? Tsk tsk Jaden. You know much better than that man. Now you're being a hypocrite as WELL as contradicting yourself? Shameful.

There's nothing you can appreciate. YOU. Tool fans and those who understand them are above you and your Bloc Party/Scissor Sisters/NME bands. We've moved on with music. You can lay and bathe in the mediocre all you want. We'll see you at the musical evolution bell curve. It's a tortoise and the hare story.

Originally posted by jaden101
there is a reason that metal bands dont get acknowledged...its not cause people dont have the intellect to appreciate them...its because its whiney miserable guff...and the way you trying to defend the genre only shows me that you fit lock stock into the stereotype of the angry little boy that goes hand in hand with metal

Metal bands don't get acknowledged? What a silly remark. Mastodon (yes a Metal band) won album of the year across the board in 04. Is that not recognition? Are Slayer not legendary? (Yes they are). Judas Priest? Black Sabbath, in many ways? Do you actually listen to music or are you the type who plays an album to skip to the songs he likes? Metal is whiney miserable guff? Coming from a fan of bands like Bloc Party. There's nothing whiney about Metal. Don't hate a genre just because you're scared and intimidated by the heavy sounds.

Originally posted by jaden101
your posts are like car wrecks AC..you know you shouldn't look...but you just cant help it

Yep. Those involved never survive either, as proven.

-AC

these bands are hardly guilty of promoting themselves when the people in the know ie the musical press and people such as the late, great john peel and people with critically aclaimed music shows such as jools holland are quite happy to sing the praises of these bands long before they are popular in the mainstream

and to argue against nme as a source of musical knowledge is pretty poor given that it was NME that initially saw the talent of artists such as the rolling stones, the beatles, bob dylan, the smiths and your beloved radiohead

therefor when they tell you that bands such as bloc party have talent then perhaps you and your ilk should take notice

im not saying go with the crowd...in not saying be trendy...i myself listen to stuff that the chart followers would either laugh at or would never heard of before (patrick park, jesse malin, the pattern)

yes there is crap in the lists above but i thought it best to stick them in unedited..i dont like stuff like jamelia (at least not for her music)

"childish and ignorant"

hahaha...you are the master of those qualites..i'll give you that

"Got anything substantial and provable to show me? Besides chart lists?

No? Then you have had my time enough. Be off with thee young scamp."

do you find it impossible to end your posts without these generic comments...you must have done it 100 times since ive been on KMC

try something else for a change

Originally posted by jaden101
these bands are hardly guilty of promoting themselves when the people in the know ie the musical press and people such as the late, great john peel and people with critically aclaimed music shows such as jools holland are quite happy to sing the praises of these bands long before they are popular in the mainstream

They sing the praises of them to MAKE them popular in the mainstream. Surely you see that. John Peel was the man but he had a far from untouchable musical opinion. Radio 1 is, for the most part, the NME of radio. People "in the know"? They're only in the know because that's their job. I find out about bands and artists ages before they're even known, I just don't do it for a living. What does this have to do with anything? Desperate much? Kaiser Chiefs and many other of those bands have been on TRL. Bloc Party included.

Originally posted by jaden101
and to argue against nme as a source of musical knowledge is pretty poor given that it was NME that initially saw the talent of artists such as the rolling stones, the beatles, bob dylan, the smiths and your beloved radiohead

They said Radiohead would never get out of the shadow of Creep and continually tried to make that a reality. Then when OK Computer came out they started loving them again, then when Radiohead left all the dullards in the dust, the NME went on dissing them again. They're hypocrites who have a delusional sense of grandure. They love bands like The Libertines, The Bravery, Scissor Sisters, Bloc Party, Keane, Oasis. Boring bands, coffee table bands. They lie in their magazines to sell issues, they suck.

Originally posted by jaden101
therefor when they tell you that bands such as bloc party have talent then perhaps you and your ilk should take notice

Why should I? Hmm? They tell me a band has talent and I'm supposed to agree right away? I listened to Silent Alarm to see what all the fuss was about and besides Little Thoughts (their best song which is ok at best), it's the most overhyped CD I've heard in a long long time. If you wanna get on your knees and swallow everything they shoot out at you then you can do so. I'm an adult, I can find music on my own. I don't need the NME telling me what's good and what isn't. If I did, I'd end up like you.

Originally posted by jaden101
yes there is crap in the lists above but i thought it best to stick them in unedited..i dont like stuff like jamelia (at least not for her music)

You posted them as if they were debate enders. They mean nothing. They mean no more than if I were to compile a list.

Originally posted by jaden101
"childish and ignorant"

hahaha...you are the master of those qualites..i'll give you that

I'm not ignorant. Arrogant? Yes. Ignorant? No. That's a crown you wear haphazardly upon your very own, and very vacant, cranium.

Originally posted by jaden101
"Got anything substantial and provable to show me? Besides chart lists?

No? Then you have had my time enough. Be off with thee young scamp."

do you find it impossible to end your posts without these generic comments...you must have done it 100 times since ive been on KMC, try something else for a change

You say I shouldn't end my posts in such a way then you go and copy me. Am I THAT good?

Yes I am.

However, I asked a question, you couldn't fulfill the request or answer the question, so I'll assume you're done.

-AC

who's resorting to the insults now...i thought you were above that...seems not...and given that you pretty much have no clue about me then your just pissing in the wind..and at the moment its all being blown back over your face



i can pretty much 100% garauntee that every band you listen to you do so because someone told you they were good...



people like you will NEVER...and i mean NEVER EVER...be anywhere near as good as me..."FACT"



i take it this is the question you are refering to...

lets put it into a context that you can understand...

if you were ill you would ask the opinion of a doctor and you would consider their opinion as valid because they are experts

the only difference with music is the subjectivity of it...but if you want an opinion of what is good and what is not...you would generally ask the experts...the musical press

hence their opinion is better than yours...

ive taken their opinion...and your opinion...tested both...and low and behold..they are right and you aren't

Originally posted by jaden101
who's resorting to the insults now...i thought you were above that...seems not...and given that you pretty much have no clue about me then your just pissing in the wind..and at the moment its all being blown back over your face

Insults, Jaden? What insults? I've not said anything with the intention of harming or offending you, or insulting you. I can only insult you if I try to or if you ARE insulted. I just said what I believe. I wasn't insulting you, I was being honest. You're obviously so desperate for something to cling to that you're just twisting things way more than you know they are meant. Nothing is blown back in ANYONE'S face on the history of these forums more so than your attempt to come at me, that's a fact .

Originally posted by jaden101
i can pretty much 100% garauntee that every band you listen to you do so because someone told you they were good...

There's a difference between being introduced to a band, then liking them on your own accord and liking a band PURELY because of SOMEONE elses opinion. Lots of the bands I like I have got into on my own.

Originally posted by jaden101
people like you will NEVER...and i mean NEVER EVER...be anywhere near as good as me..."FACT"

Already am buddy, already am.

Got anything else to say? Coz you've strayed so far from topic in an attempt to discredit me that you've just made yourself look worse.

Funny guy. I like you though.

Originally posted by jaden101
i take it this is the question you are refering to...lets put it into a context that you can understand...if you were ill you would ask the opinion of a doctor and you would consider their opinion as valid because they are experts. the only difference with music is the subjectivity of it...but if you want an opinion of what is good and what is not...you would generally ask the experts...the musical press. hence their opinion is better than yours...ive taken their opinion...and your opinion...tested both...and low and behold..they are right and you aren't

Musical press are experts? Smash Hits magazine are musical press. Valid opinion? No. Their opinion isn't "better" than mine, you just take their opinion as gospel because it's printed, no more or less. A doctor can prove that he is right by healing me. I can prove that the NME are wrong by showing a Libertines, Kasabian or Bloc Party CD to anyone with taste.

-AC

me too...so dont make the assumption that because the bands i listen to as popular that i cant make up my own mind

if i was a slave to NME as you seem to think then i would be fawning over bands like Franz Ferdinand...but personally i think they are crap...





you must look at the world differently than anyone else...but given what i know of you...i would expect that




...what can i say...im a likeable guy

Originally posted by jaden101
me too...so dont make the assumption that because the bands i listen to as popular that i cant make up my own mind

Yet it's perfectly fine for you to make assumptions about me? Hypocrite of the highest order.

Originally posted by jaden101
if i was a slave to NME as you seem to think then i would be fawning over bands like Franz Ferdinand...but personally i think they are crap...

You're not a total loss then. Have SOME sense.

Originally posted by jaden101
you must look at the world differently than anyone else...but given what i know of you...i would expect that

Wow, you know of me? Thanks for taking the time.

Originally posted by jaden101
...what can i say...im a likeable guy

...And you say you won this debate. I've smashed your debate into so many pieces you can't even stay on topic.

At least you tried.

-AC

in your own tiny mind

lets look at the crux of your argument

"respect my authority"

AC...the man/boy who considers himself to be the font of all musical knowledge yet doesn't put anything over than his own opinion...take it to be as valid or invalid as anyone elses...yet he himself seems to think it is and all should bow before his wisdom

where is you argument exactly?

ive never seen you be FOR anything...you just try to slate everyone else

ive given you that facts of the matter...the best...the most popular...the best selling albums of 2005 and not one of them by tool or any other metal band

thats not a coincidence...they dont sell because they are shit and people dont like them

oh right...I respond to YOU...yet im the one thats going off topic...how does that work?

Originally posted by jaden101
in your own tiny mind. lets look at the crux of your argument

"respect my authority"

Noticed the quotation marks. Wanna show me where I said that or are you assuming it to aid yourself? I don't give the impression of authority so you must have viewed me as having authority. Thank you.

Originally posted by jaden101
AC...the man/boy who considers himself to be the font of all musical knowledge yet doesn't put anything over than his own opinion...take it to be as valid or invalid as anyone elses...yet he himself seems to think it is and all should bow before his wisdom

No I don't consider myself to be the font of all musical knowledge. You're making assumption after assumption and it's making you look silly. Over? You mean other, right? Why on Earth would I post anything other than my own opinion? I speak for me, not for anyone else. Such an illogical point. That last line, I don't think that. Must be you, so thanks.

Originally posted by jaden101
where is you argument exactly? ive never seen you be FOR anything...you just try to slate everyone else

This happens on EVERY forum here. When people can say no more on topic, after I smash it, they try to make things personal. Sad.

Originally posted by jaden101
ive given you that facts of the matter...the best...the most popular...the best selling albums of 2005 and not one of them by tool or any other metal band

Hahaha such a corporate follower. Why does what's popular equate to being what's good? It's March. Best selling albums of 05 doesn't even count yet, let alone the fact that it doesn't MEAN anything. You posted the lists from indie and general magazines, then try to show how there's no metal? The best album of 04 across the board was Mastodon, a metal band.

Tool haven't put out an album since 01, keep up to date. Oh and even then, with no promotion, they managed album of the year in mostly credible magazines across the board. The top reviewer in Kerrang AND Metal Hammer rated it the best. With the quote "There could only ever be one winner". This was a year regarded as the best year for Rock in decades, and Tool topped it. Anything else to say or are you gonna realise that you've been silenced?

Originally posted by jaden101
thats not a coincidence...they dont sell because they are shit and people dont like them

Why is making money an issue? This is about talent, not popularity.

Britney Spears is richer than any of the bands you like, probably has more fans. Is she better?

Originally posted by jaden101
oh right...I respond to YOU...yet im the one thats going off topic...how does that work?

Because besides this post, you haven't made an actual on topic post yet. That's how. Keep up please.

-AC

Originally posted by jaden101
you can be as skilled as you like

Apparently not. Funny pic wasn't it? Ten most ridiculous? Haha. There are some clowns in metal aren't there.

OK, back to the actual debate.

NME and Q are literally the worst musical sources in the country. Fashion-led, trend-fellating morons.

no...you just remind me of cartman from south park









will a tiny change to your quote ,see how easy it is to turn your argument on its head...

now go home and get your ****ing shine box

Originally posted by jaden101
no...you just remind me of cartman from south park

will a tiny change to your quote ,see how easy it is to turn your argument on its head...

now go home and get your ****ing shine box

Nice try there.

I never posted that about the magazines as if they were authorative, I was merely showing you that in relation to you saying that Tool hadn't had anything in the top draw. They haven't had anything out since 01, a year in which they topped critics lists as the best album of the year by FAR.

By no means is that authoritive (despite them being two of the more respected mags) that's just their opinion, an opinion I share. It does however, prove that you are wrong. You quote popularity lists and hope that they are accepted as fact.

Your lack of knowledge once again leaves you on the end of a sound whooping.

Now chill your temper out, calm yourself down. Try again.

Why are you telling me to go home? Where are you assuming I type from? Am I seriously gonna have to continue putting you out?

If you have nothing to say regarding the topic, then say nothing. You've attacked my debate and failed. Attacked me and failed. Is there anything you're not failing at?

-AC

well id be happy to debate the music with you...but seeing as you havent put any points across beyond the guy from radiohead getting a loan of an orchestra...how am i supposed to debate music...when you refuse to do so

the argument "they are shit because i say so" isnt a debate...but its all you've done the entire thread

Originally posted by jaden101
well id be happy to debate the music with you...but seeing as you havent put any points across beyond the guy from radiohead getting a loan of an orchestra...how am i supposed to debate music...when you refuse to do so

You have put out "I'm right, you're wrong. Bloc Party are magnificent and Metal is shit" and each time I've proven you wrong to the point that you insult me.

I created a thread to debate about music with you, you chose to insult me in it and chicken out. What's up with that then? You have nothing to say, that's what's up. You have nothing to back up what you say, I've backed up my words. Do the same or do nothing.

Originally posted by jaden101
the argument "they are shit because i say so" isnt a debate...but its all you've done the entire thread

Coming from a guy who has made his entire run in this thread about "I'm better than you, fact. Tool are shit and Bloc Party are magnificent, fact. I'm right, you're wrong, fact" I would say you're in no position to make that claim.

Such a hypocrite. When I say that, I back it up or I don't say it's a fact if it's an opinion. You have done.

Try again. Actually........wait........do you honestly believe you are doing well?

-AC

where have you backed anything up...by saying that mastadon were recognised by metal hammer...thats hardly back up is it?

Hahahaha, how insanely perceptive.

I've backed up my opinion when you've called it into question. To back YOURSELF up, you post lists of what's popular (when that's not even involved, nor does it matter) and then walk away saying "I'm right, fact".

You're not. You made the single most ridiculous claim in this forum and have spoke so much tripe it's unbelievable.

"Metal is 100% shit, hasn't changed in 20 years. I'm better than you, fact. I'm right, you're wrong, fact."

You can't do what I do without backing it up. Come into the Metal thread and lets debate (albeit shortly) about music then.

Are you gonna prove you can back up what you say or are you gonna resort to "Nah, I'm right, fact"?

-AC

I cant believe i have lowered myself to argue with the most arrogant people ever.... i thought i was mature enough to appreciate other peoples opinions and their musical choices, and i am... but when people pick at bands that i like and dont let go or are able to let people like what they want, i kinda cant escape. But i think im going to, im gonna agree to disagree, you hate indie. Fine. You dont like keane or Libertines or anything like that. Fine. But dont go on about them anymore cos it isnt fair.

You're allowed to go on about bands I don't like but I'm not allowed to say that I don't like them? Bit unfair.

If you take my comments on a band personally, that's your problem.

-AC

where have i posted a "most popular" list

2 of the lists i posted were "best album" lists

and i dont see any mention of mastadon anywhere

funny that...innit?

Originally posted by jaden101
where have i posted a "most popular" list

2 of the lists i posted were "best album" lists

and i dont see any mention of mastadon anywhere

funny that...innit?

Firstly it's Mastodon. No excuse for ignorance.

Secondly don't try and weasel out of the fact that you admittedly showed me a most popular list and tried to say that it was the best. Don't believe me?

Originally posted by jaden101
ive given you that facts of the matter...the best...the most popular...the best selling albums of 2005 and not one of them by tool or any other metal band

Well well well. What does being popular or best selling have to do with anything? That's what those lists are. They aren't the best because the albums contained therein, AREN'T the best.

FACT is, Mastodon DID get rated best album of the year by many Rock, Metal and General music magazines. Opinion? Yes. Fact that Metal is recognised? Yes.

I suggest you do some research my friend. Might wanna quit that whole hypocricy/contradiction thing you have going on too.

-AC

your the one who wants to put a point across that isnt based on your opinion only

i suggest that you do the research and you post the links

http://relapse.com/preview/Mastodon_Kerrang.jpg

Mastodon (a Metal band who according to you never get any recognition because they're shit) being called the best band on the planet.

"Groundbreaking...an ominous flex of metallic muscle" - TERRORIZER
"awe-inspiring" - ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY
"fantastic...incredible...MASTODON has nearly mastered rock dynamics" - THE NEW YORK TIMES
"Devastating" - ROLLING STONE
"The World's mightiest metal band" - KERRANG!
"the new century's headbangers-to-beat." - SPIN
"Leviathan" is a must-have for any fan of complex, heavy music." - BILLBOARD
"unstoppable" - ALTERNATIVE PRESS
"Goodbye METALLICA hello MASTODON" - ROCK SOUND

Such an unrecognised genre, an uncredited band, right?

Sources: The actual sites and here http://www.mastodonrocks.com/

Also on that site you can read the awards section, where it says they won album of the year 04.

Now, none of that matters to me. I couldn't care less what critical acclaim gets bestowed upon the bands I love. Lists aren't official. However, I'm showing you that not only is your claim of "Metal is shit and hasn't changed ever" complete shit, but you claim that Metal isn't recognised is also complete tripe.

Posting lists means jack shit. You posted the best selling and most popular. I didn't, I posted opinions of critics and (mostly) credible music magazines. Still doesn't change the fact that you are just making a fool of yourself here. Suddenly your little "I'm right, you're wrong. Your music is shit" claim doesn't hold as much water.

In desperation you tried making it about popularity and sales, rather than quality. So once again, you're on the end of a beating.

Here's a fact: You're wrong. Deal.

-AC

Originally posted by jaden101
dont attack other genre's of music on the basis of image if you dont want someone to throw it back in your face...

as for the rest of your points...totally subjective and in my opinion (and it needs to be said...the opinions of more people than not) that those points are total horse shit...

just because you can wank a guitar at a rate of knots it doesnt mean that you have to in order to show a talent...

screaming into a mic doesn't constitute talent either

so some real facts

bloc party are magnificent...opeth are shit...and thats all there is to it...

Can i just discuss with you there and say some, but few, metal bands do have talent in the way that they can go from screaming (metaphorical) bass and guitar solos, along with some heavy, angry distortion(screaming down the microphone) to a really mellow, lilting keyboard solo in the same song and that, when you hear it, is amazing. Also, once many metal bands come to a certain place on the same album where they feel they can put the distortion aside, when they sing they show talent also. its when metal bands RELY on distortion that lets their musical talent down.

And in order to get that across, i have proof. For example, (i would just like to stress i am not a huge fan of slipknot.) There is a song on the slipknot album that was released recently and to bring a contrast to the sibgle, 'duality', called 'Danger...Keep away'. This is where the calm recides after the storm, so to speak.

Another example, Children Of Bodom. If you are a true metal fan, you would at least of heard of this finnish band that, quite frankly, rock arse. Download 'WarHeart' that shows the contrast between angry distortion and lilting calm. seriously, if even one of your musical interests situates in metal, you will love Children Of Bodom.

I would just like to state i do not listen to metal on a regular basis, i have only just started liking COB so i dont know much about them. plus, this is just my opinion. feel free to tear it apart as you just did to my friend libertine.

im glad you finally accepted that after your great david brent impression for the past 4 pages...now you can move on with your life and get over your own ego...then again...perhaps not





and you cant prove that your right...going by your own logic

therefor...they are still shit



metal more fits the bill in the UK...whiney 14 year olds music...just like emo...but with a pinch of anger





is that bloc party's peers is it?...that would make funeral for a friend and good charlotte, mastodons peers...given the equivalent similarity

"bloc party are the greatest band on the planet"

there you go...happy now...good

Originally posted by jaden101
im glad you finally accepted that after your great david brent impression for the past 4 pages...now you can move on with your life and get over your own ego...then again...perhaps not

Why are you making this about me? I was claiming fact to show you how blatantly and obviously you were making a fool of yourself by doing the same thing. I've said in many threads that it's not scientifically possible to prove one band better than the other. I've actually said that to you too. However it's a given that Simple Plan are shit, surely you're not so dense as to understand that.

Originally posted by jaden101
and you cant prove that your right...going by your own logic

More of my posts have been correct than yours though. You have claimed opinion as fact, I didn't. You claimed Bloc Party were magnificent, Tool were bad and every band I listened to were pish "Fact". When that's further from the truth than you are from redeeming yourself here.

Originally posted by jaden101
therefor...they are still shit

Prove it...........see? You can't. You've run out of shit to say so now you're latching onto what I've said this whole time. Shameful.

Originally posted by jaden101
metal more fits the bill in the UK...whiney 14 year olds music...just like emo...but with a pinch of anger

You obviously have no idea or perception of what Metal is. Bloc Party are just another bland, boring band that remind me of water.

Originally posted by jaden101
is that bloc party's peers is it?...that would make funeral for a friend and good charlotte, mastodons peers...given the equivalent similarity

Of course it wouldn't. Bloc Party, Keane and Coldplay are perceived as Indie. Mastodon are Metal, Good Charlotte are Pop and Funeral for a Friend are Screamo.

You obviously just think 'Music' is a genre and lump everything together.

Originally posted by jaden101
"bloc party are the greatest band on the planet"

there you go...happy now...good

Hahahaha, excellent. Just as predicted.

Now for phase 2: You believe what you just said? Answer carefully.

-AC

yeah...you've said that before...once or twice..and yes...i agree with you (do i have that right seeing as you flamed me before for agreeing with you)





bloc party...water...life giving essential liquid...mastodon...pish...yellow and toxic human waste product...



was it me that said it?...you may have noticed the quotation marks...

Originally posted by jaden101
yeah...you've said that before...once or twice..and yes...i agree with you (do i have that right seeing as you flamed me before for agreeing with you)

Well.......then we agree. It's not uncommon.

Originally posted by jaden101
bloc party...water...life giving essential liquid...mastodon...pish...yellow and toxic human waste product...

Water is also tasteless, that's what I meant .

Originally posted by jaden101
was it me that said it?...you may have noticed the quotation marks...

I never said you originated the comment. I asked if you believe it were true.

Bloc Party aren't and never will be the greatest band in England, let alone the world. EVER.

-AC

an mastodon certainly never will be...



what..us agreeing or just people agreeing in general?...



...a little addition and water has taste...where as piss

Originally posted by jaden101
an mastodon certainly never will be...

They already are according to some. Whilst I don't agree, and I never will (as much as I love the band), anyone who says the same of Bloc Party obviously doesn't know what they are saying.

Originally posted by jaden101
what..us agreeing or just people agreeing in general?...

Both, slightly.

Originally posted by jaden101
...a little addition and water has taste...where as piss

Technically speaking piss would have more taste than water. Even now you're on the back foot .

-AC

so the whole crux of the debate boils down to whats better...no taste or bad taste

Not really........

Just who is better, what's better.

-AC

For **** sake!

Metal is shit... cant prove me wrong

Indie is great.... cant prve me wrong.

You have been spounting out nothing but opinion all the through this thread, repeating yourself as you go.

Read the thread before you choose to comment.

I wasn't the one chatting crap. I think you'll find that was Jaden.

Either way, if it's coming down to Indie bands Vs Metal bands then stay at home. Coz it's only gonna go my way.

-AC