jaden101
im hoping this thread will get more response here than it did when i posted it at the other forum im a member of
today the killer of scottish teenager,jodi jones,was sentenced to a minimum of 20 years in prison.
Luke Mitchell killed Jodi by stabbing her over 50 times.cutting her open and ramming the knife down her throat
the judge described the murder "one of the worst cases of murder of a single victim to have come before the court in many years".
but what was the motivation for the crime and what were the influences behind the attack
this is where the justice system gets horribly skewed and misguided
as if you didn't see it coming. marylin manson was again bestowed with the responsibility of motivating a child killer
in this case it was not his music that is supposed to have unbalanced the boy but something on his website
the feature in question is mansons artwork depicting the Black Dahlia murder which depicts the killing and mutilation of actress Elizabeth Short
but lets look a bit at the ongoing trend of the media blame game when these tragic events occur
probably the most high profile being the columbine high school shootings where once again marylin manson was blamed for being the driving force behind the murderers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.
here is mansons reply to those accusation
It is sad to think that the first few people on earth needed no books, movies, games or music to inspire cold-blooded murder. The day that Cain bashed his brother Abel's brains in, the only motivation he needed was his own human disposition to violence. Whether you interpret the Bible as literature or as the final word of whatever God may be, Christianity has given us an image of death and sexuality that we have based our culture around. A half-naked dead man hangs in most homes and around our necks, and we have just taken that for granted all our lives. Is it a symbol of hope or hopelessness? The world's most famous murder-suicide was also the birth of the death icon - the blueprint for celebrity
Marilyn Manson has never celebrated the sad fact that America puts killers on the cover of Time magazine, giving them as much notoriety as our favorite movie stars. From Jesse James to Charles Manson, the media, since their inception, have turned criminals into folk heroes. They just created two new ones when they plastered those dipshits Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris' pictures on the front of every newspaper.
We applaud the creation of a bomb whose sole purpose is to destroy all of mankind, and we grow up watching our president's brains splattered all over Texas. Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised. like their violent car chase of Princess Di. Disgusting vultures looking for corpses, exploiting, filming and serving it up for our hungry appetites in a gluttonous display of endless human stupidity
When it comes down to who's to blame for the high school murders in Littleton, Colorado, throw a rock and you'll hit someone who's guilty. We're the people who sit back and tolerate children owning guns, and we're the ones who tune in and watch the up-to-the-minute details of what they do with them. I think it's terrible when anyone dies,especially if it is someone you know and love. I was dumbfounded as I watched the media snake right in, not missing a teardrop, interviewing the parents of dead children, televising the funerals. Then came the witch hunt.
It was unthinkable that these kids did not have a simple black-and-white reason for their actions. And so a scapegoat was needed. I remember hearing the initial reports from Littleton, that Harris and Klebold were wearing makeup and were dressed like Marilyn Manson, whom they obviously must worship, since they were dressed in black. Of course, speculation snowballed into making me the poster boy for everything that is bad in the world. These two idiots weren't wearing makeup, and they weren't dressed like me or like goths. Since Middle America has not heard of the music they did listen to, the media picked something they thought was similar.
Responsible journalists have reported with less publicity that Harris and Klebold were not Marilyn Manson fans -- that they even disliked my music. Even if they were fans, that gives them no excuse, nor does it mean that music is to blame. Did we look for James Huberty's inspiration when he gunned down people at McDonald's? What did Timothy McVeigh like to watch? What about David Koresh, Jim Jones? Do you think entertainment inspired Kip Kinkel, or should we blame the fact that his father bought him the guns he used in the Springfield, Oregon, murders? What inspires Bill Clinton to blow people up in Kosovo? Was it something that Monica Lewinsky said to him? Isn't killing just killing, regardless if it's in Vietnam or Jonesboro, Arkansas? Why do we justify one, just because it seems to be for the right reasons? Should there ever be a right reason? If a kid is old enough to drive a car or buy a gun, isn't he old enough to be held personally responsible for what he does with his car or gun? Or if he's a teenager, should someone else be blamed because he isn't as enlightened as an eighteen-year-old?
America loves to find an icon to hang its guilt on. Deep down, most adults hate people who go against the grain. It's comical that people are naive enough to have forgotten Elvis, Jim Morrison and Ozzy so quickly. All of them were subjected to the same age-old arguments, scrutiny and prejudice. I wrote a song called "Get Your Gunn." The title is spelled with two n's because the song was a reaction to the murder of Dr. David Gunn, who was killed in Florida by pro-life activists while I was living there. That was the ultimate hypocrisy I witnessed growing up: that these people killed someone in the name of being "pro-life."
The somewhat positive messages of these songs are usually the ones that sensationalists misinterpret as promoting the very things I am decrying. Right now, everyone is thinking of how they can prevent things like Littleton. How do you prevent AIDS, world war, depression, car crashes? We live in a free country, but with that freedom there is a burden of personal responsibility. Rather than teaching a child what is moral and immoral, right and wrong, we first and foremost can establish what the laws that govern us are. You can always escape hell by not believing in it, but you cannot escape death and you cannot escape prison.
It is no wonder that kids are growing up more cynical They can see that they are living in a world that's made of bullshit. America has become one big mall, and because of the Internet and all of the technology we have, there's nowhere to run. People are the same everywhere. Sometimes music, movies and books are the only things that let us feel like someone else feels like we do. I've always tried to let people know it's OK if you don't fit into the program.
I chose not to jump into the media frenzy and defend myself, though I was begged to be on every single TV show in existence. I didnt want to contribute to these fame-seeking journalists and opportunists looking to fill their churches or to get elected because of their self-righteous finger-pointing. They want to blame entertainment? Isn't religion the first real entertainment? People dress up in costumes, sing songs and dedicate themselves in eternal fandom.
I think that the National Rifle Association is far too powerful to take on, so most people choose Doom, The Basketball Diaries or yours truly. This kind of controversy does not help me sell records or tickets, and I wouldn't want it to. I've always tried to show people that the devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us. So don't expect the end of the world to come one day out of the blue it's been happening every day for a long time.
music is not the only factor in the blame game.does anyone remember the great soundbite of the early nineties.video nastys .where films such as driller killer were blamed for influencing violent behaviour
the media were frenetic about it and once again completely ignored the underlying factors and realities of the situatio
now in the modern playstation generation we have video games bearing the brunt of accusations where we hear the line trotted out by psychological experts "its the interactive factor that is different from films.you actually carry out the actions on screen" and what ever else it does
games cited are of the usual crime style.Grand theft auto and more recently manhunt
the later being blamed as the motivation behind the murder of stephan pakeerah who was battered to death by his friend warren leblanc after playing the game manhunt
when will society realise that we cannot go on sticking the blame on scapegoats and take note that our society is fractured and intimidating at the best of times even for those who are "normal" and "fit in"
what im trying to put across os the feeling you get when going into town on a busy day and being in the middle of all the hustle and bustle that city centre brings...and still feeling utterly alone
imagine how that must feel to people who live on the fringes of society and who risk ridicule on a daily basis from not just their peers at school.but society as a whole
admit it.youve all looked at someone in the street who doesnt fit into the bracket of "normal" and judged them for it.
i guess its just far easier to blame something that most people have little understanding of.lambasting the things that bring many people some of the few comforts they might have in life.blaming the very thing that gave these people some sanctuary from the rage they feel at a society and in some cases a family that has shunted them to the sidelines
i look to the future and see the inevitable on the horizon.the next child killer.the next scapegoat.the society happy to alieviate itself of the responsibility and on and on it goes
today the killer of scottish teenager,jodi jones,was sentenced to a minimum of 20 years in prison.
Luke Mitchell killed Jodi by stabbing her over 50 times.cutting her open and ramming the knife down her throat
the judge described the murder "one of the worst cases of murder of a single victim to have come before the court in many years".
but what was the motivation for the crime and what were the influences behind the attack
this is where the justice system gets horribly skewed and misguided
as if you didn't see it coming. marylin manson was again bestowed with the responsibility of motivating a child killer
in this case it was not his music that is supposed to have unbalanced the boy but something on his website
the feature in question is mansons artwork depicting the Black Dahlia murder which depicts the killing and mutilation of actress Elizabeth Short
but lets look a bit at the ongoing trend of the media blame game when these tragic events occur
probably the most high profile being the columbine high school shootings where once again marylin manson was blamed for being the driving force behind the murderers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.
here is mansons reply to those accusation
It is sad to think that the first few people on earth needed no books, movies, games or music to inspire cold-blooded murder. The day that Cain bashed his brother Abel's brains in, the only motivation he needed was his own human disposition to violence. Whether you interpret the Bible as literature or as the final word of whatever God may be, Christianity has given us an image of death and sexuality that we have based our culture around. A half-naked dead man hangs in most homes and around our necks, and we have just taken that for granted all our lives. Is it a symbol of hope or hopelessness? The world's most famous murder-suicide was also the birth of the death icon - the blueprint for celebrity
Marilyn Manson has never celebrated the sad fact that America puts killers on the cover of Time magazine, giving them as much notoriety as our favorite movie stars. From Jesse James to Charles Manson, the media, since their inception, have turned criminals into folk heroes. They just created two new ones when they plastered those dipshits Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris' pictures on the front of every newspaper.
We applaud the creation of a bomb whose sole purpose is to destroy all of mankind, and we grow up watching our president's brains splattered all over Texas. Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised. like their violent car chase of Princess Di. Disgusting vultures looking for corpses, exploiting, filming and serving it up for our hungry appetites in a gluttonous display of endless human stupidity
When it comes down to who's to blame for the high school murders in Littleton, Colorado, throw a rock and you'll hit someone who's guilty. We're the people who sit back and tolerate children owning guns, and we're the ones who tune in and watch the up-to-the-minute details of what they do with them. I think it's terrible when anyone dies,especially if it is someone you know and love. I was dumbfounded as I watched the media snake right in, not missing a teardrop, interviewing the parents of dead children, televising the funerals. Then came the witch hunt.
It was unthinkable that these kids did not have a simple black-and-white reason for their actions. And so a scapegoat was needed. I remember hearing the initial reports from Littleton, that Harris and Klebold were wearing makeup and were dressed like Marilyn Manson, whom they obviously must worship, since they were dressed in black. Of course, speculation snowballed into making me the poster boy for everything that is bad in the world. These two idiots weren't wearing makeup, and they weren't dressed like me or like goths. Since Middle America has not heard of the music they did listen to, the media picked something they thought was similar.
Responsible journalists have reported with less publicity that Harris and Klebold were not Marilyn Manson fans -- that they even disliked my music. Even if they were fans, that gives them no excuse, nor does it mean that music is to blame. Did we look for James Huberty's inspiration when he gunned down people at McDonald's? What did Timothy McVeigh like to watch? What about David Koresh, Jim Jones? Do you think entertainment inspired Kip Kinkel, or should we blame the fact that his father bought him the guns he used in the Springfield, Oregon, murders? What inspires Bill Clinton to blow people up in Kosovo? Was it something that Monica Lewinsky said to him? Isn't killing just killing, regardless if it's in Vietnam or Jonesboro, Arkansas? Why do we justify one, just because it seems to be for the right reasons? Should there ever be a right reason? If a kid is old enough to drive a car or buy a gun, isn't he old enough to be held personally responsible for what he does with his car or gun? Or if he's a teenager, should someone else be blamed because he isn't as enlightened as an eighteen-year-old?
America loves to find an icon to hang its guilt on. Deep down, most adults hate people who go against the grain. It's comical that people are naive enough to have forgotten Elvis, Jim Morrison and Ozzy so quickly. All of them were subjected to the same age-old arguments, scrutiny and prejudice. I wrote a song called "Get Your Gunn." The title is spelled with two n's because the song was a reaction to the murder of Dr. David Gunn, who was killed in Florida by pro-life activists while I was living there. That was the ultimate hypocrisy I witnessed growing up: that these people killed someone in the name of being "pro-life."
The somewhat positive messages of these songs are usually the ones that sensationalists misinterpret as promoting the very things I am decrying. Right now, everyone is thinking of how they can prevent things like Littleton. How do you prevent AIDS, world war, depression, car crashes? We live in a free country, but with that freedom there is a burden of personal responsibility. Rather than teaching a child what is moral and immoral, right and wrong, we first and foremost can establish what the laws that govern us are. You can always escape hell by not believing in it, but you cannot escape death and you cannot escape prison.
It is no wonder that kids are growing up more cynical They can see that they are living in a world that's made of bullshit. America has become one big mall, and because of the Internet and all of the technology we have, there's nowhere to run. People are the same everywhere. Sometimes music, movies and books are the only things that let us feel like someone else feels like we do. I've always tried to let people know it's OK if you don't fit into the program.
I chose not to jump into the media frenzy and defend myself, though I was begged to be on every single TV show in existence. I didnt want to contribute to these fame-seeking journalists and opportunists looking to fill their churches or to get elected because of their self-righteous finger-pointing. They want to blame entertainment? Isn't religion the first real entertainment? People dress up in costumes, sing songs and dedicate themselves in eternal fandom.
I think that the National Rifle Association is far too powerful to take on, so most people choose Doom, The Basketball Diaries or yours truly. This kind of controversy does not help me sell records or tickets, and I wouldn't want it to. I've always tried to show people that the devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us. So don't expect the end of the world to come one day out of the blue it's been happening every day for a long time.
music is not the only factor in the blame game.does anyone remember the great soundbite of the early nineties.video nastys .where films such as driller killer were blamed for influencing violent behaviour
the media were frenetic about it and once again completely ignored the underlying factors and realities of the situatio
now in the modern playstation generation we have video games bearing the brunt of accusations where we hear the line trotted out by psychological experts "its the interactive factor that is different from films.you actually carry out the actions on screen" and what ever else it does
games cited are of the usual crime style.Grand theft auto and more recently manhunt
the later being blamed as the motivation behind the murder of stephan pakeerah who was battered to death by his friend warren leblanc after playing the game manhunt
when will society realise that we cannot go on sticking the blame on scapegoats and take note that our society is fractured and intimidating at the best of times even for those who are "normal" and "fit in"
what im trying to put across os the feeling you get when going into town on a busy day and being in the middle of all the hustle and bustle that city centre brings...and still feeling utterly alone
imagine how that must feel to people who live on the fringes of society and who risk ridicule on a daily basis from not just their peers at school.but society as a whole
admit it.youve all looked at someone in the street who doesnt fit into the bracket of "normal" and judged them for it.
i guess its just far easier to blame something that most people have little understanding of.lambasting the things that bring many people some of the few comforts they might have in life.blaming the very thing that gave these people some sanctuary from the rage they feel at a society and in some cases a family that has shunted them to the sidelines
i look to the future and see the inevitable on the horizon.the next child killer.the next scapegoat.the society happy to alieviate itself of the responsibility and on and on it goes