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I think the best examples of a hardcore band I can think of would have to be:

Hatebreed
Throwdown
Bury Your Dead
Terror

That's true hardcore IMO.

Depends on your definition of 'Hardcore'.
"Vocalist" trying to scream louder than the "Drummer" type bands judging by your list....

So I will say the drunks that sit outside the venue...who try and scream louder than anyone

Hatebreed is Metal.

GG Allin was pretty hardcore. As far as shitting himself on stage and killing himself after a gig. Not too many artists can lay claim to that one.

tommy cooper could...almost

Nope, sorry buddy.

"As far as shitting himself on stage and killing himself after a gig. Not too many artists can lay claim to that one."

Yeah.

Don't get too many artists strolling out saying "Yeeeep. Killed meself on stage. Must say, I'm chuffed like mad."

-AC

No. They're metal.

http://www.purevolume.com/hatebreed I guess were both right.

simple plan is true hardcore

Whats the difference between metal and hardcore?

Hardcore has no melody, the vocalist are allways loud and raw and the drums are fast and pounding.

I Think


Pantera is the best example of a hardcore band

hell no, pantera were thrash through and through

Ya they are thrash but man They were HARDCORE. HARDCOOOORE

I think the lines what people think of hardcore, trash, death metal and metal are horriblly skewed. Nonbody really knows the full absolute answer to these different types of heavy music.
Why do you think they have numerous titles underneath the band when people read about them.

what planet do you live on lol??
Hatebreed are quite clearly Hardcore...

Pantera arent hardcore, theyre metal

Converge, Hatebreed, Throwdown etc are hardcore
but the best, rawest most genuine hardcore is the local stuff that every city has...

BeatDownFury, TRC and the rest of the London Hardcore scene id vote for

Grr I purposely excluded Converge because I personally think they suck. Their music is so incredibly retarded. Just a bunch of noise.

yea, but theyre hardcore...and you didnt put them down, i did, so quit bitching

G.G ****ing Allin

Judging by the lack of Fugazis and Black Flags, I assume we're talking about modern hardcore. Snapcase, Converge, Vision Of Disorder, Hatebreed and Unearth are among my favorites.

Hatebreed's lyrics and approach/mindset have been, are, and will always be hardcore.

They are still about the only true to life hardcore band out there, IMO.

they're lyrics are surprisingly good for a hardcore band, normally you dont hear a word said cos its all a wall of screaming.

Jamie Jasta's not a screamer like so many. Their live stuff is a lot more emotional, really nerve striking, naturally.

Find a live mp3 of "A Call for Blood", and you'll see what I mean.

shock pantera is a classic example of straight up metal.

Okay they are METAL, thrash metal!! speed metal! but they do have hardcore elements in thier music..alot of people remember Pantera when someone says Hardcore! i do

..because they're thinking "hardcore", as in heavy, not "hardcore" as in rooted in the hardcore music movement. That said, Phil's band Superjoint Ritual IS a hardcore band, and their lyrics are incredible, and very socially aware.

i guess our right

i didnt reaaly like superjoint ritual musically..i prefer down!.

are there actual definitions to these genres, or is it all opinion based?

Mostly the latter.

No, actual hardcore is very distinguishable, just like punk. The other "_____-core" labels are the ones that are more or less fabricated by fans.

the reason you can understand some/most of jamie jasta screams is because hatebreeds more along the lines of old schoool/new york hardcore as far as their sound is concerned. same with bands such as donnybrook, 25 ta life, etc.

well if you mean Hardcore punk I think early Circle Jerks and Minor Threat would be your best bet

phil has nearly always writen pretty good lyrics, even if hes a dick he makes some fine songs

Nothing beats hardcore.

"Down" lyrics were just pot-enduced rambling.

"Pantera" lyrics were heavy poetry.

"Viking Crown" lyrics were silly black/viking metal fare lyrics.

"Superjoint Ritual" lyrics cut right to the bone. Socially critical, scathing, deconstructing, and totally make you think about how ****ed up society is in general. Everything from sex to drugs to race are covered in Superjoint tracks.