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Dr. Doom vs Darkseid and Batman vs. Mr. Fantastic in a game of chess. The evil Marvel/DC thinkers go against each other and the goodguy Marvel/DC thinkers against themselves in a best 2 outta 3 competition. The winners of both rounds face each other for a nice big trophy. Best 2 outta 3 again

My prediction: Darkseid 2-0, Mr. Fantastic 2-1. Finals: Mr. Fantastic 2-1

Doom beats Darkseid easily. Darkseid is a good military strategist, but he's not as cunning as you would think.

Batman beats Mr. Fantastic, who overanalyzes and tricks himself into losing

Batman beats Doom in the finals. It's a good one, but Batman is a better bluffer. Doom's arrogance would do him in.

I would think Doom makes a couple bad moves in the 1st round and gets a little too frustrated to think. Darkseid always seems so calm and collected. So I'd think Doom loses his 1st game and can't focus in the second, thus giving the victory to Darkseid.

Mr. Fantastic, to me, is a genuis in the comics so I have him win the 1st. Then Batman, as in the comics, learns from his mistakes and comes back to beat Reed. But Reed's Harvard, Yale, Princeton mind proves too much for Batman in the deciding game.

Underestimating Darkseid, Reed loses the 1st game of the final round. Then he cranks up the brain juices and sweeps Darkseid the final 2 games to bring home the trophy to the FF tower.

Doom 2-0; Reed 2-1.

Final: not sure. Haven't seen them play chess HAVE I.

Is it Adam West Batman?

If so then him.

-AC

I think any Batman is smart enough to play some chess

Besides, I think Mr. Fantastic would lose from laughing at watching Adam West in the old grey/blue Batman costume

Fantastic and DOOm would be in the finals, and Fantastic would beat doom, but only because somehow since its comics it would be a battle to save the earth, and he would just pull it out!

Darkseid 2-0
Batman 2-1
Darkseid 2-0

Seriously, Darkseid is far out of everyone else's league here, should have a tournament with Metron, Thanos and Grandmaster instead.

Doom wins, then throws DS in a dimension of nothing but stairs.

Necro-bump ACTIVATE!!11!1!

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Originally posted by Mindset
Doom wins, then throws DS in a dimension of nothing but stairs. darkseid throws doom in a dimension of nothing but luke cage and squirrel girl

stfu, Bran. srsly

Originally posted by Galan007
stfu, Bran. srsly I'm golgo

Seriously, Bran, get your shit together.

Originally posted by Mindset
Seriously, Bran, get your shit together.

Originally posted by demigawd
Doom beats Darkseid easily. Darkseid is a good military strategist, but he's not as cunning as you would think.

Batman beats Mr. Fantastic, who overanalyzes and tricks himself into losing

Batman beats Doom in the finals. It's a good one, but Batman is a better bluffer. Doom's arrogance would do him in.
perfect

Originally posted by saurabh kanhere
perfect Perfectly wrong, Darkseid isn't cunning? Guess you must of missed the time he was playing chess with a Monitor. Or when he tricked all of the Gods of his world into fighting each other and then killed them. Also Batman being a better bluffer? What the hell? They're playing chess, not poker.

Originally posted by anamatineyoi
Darkseid 2-0
Batman 2-1
Darkseid 2-0

Seriously, Darkseid is far out of everyone else's league here, should have a tournament with Metron, Thanos and Grandmaster instead. This

Originally posted by deathslash
darkseid throws doom in a dimension of nothing but luke cage and squirrel girl

This too

Batman outsmarted Darkseid more than once, and considering doom...doom will fall too. All are cunning but Batman had took out enemies that are like 100 times cunning than him eg. owlman in that "Crisis of earths".

Originally posted by saurabh kanhere
Batman outsmarted Darkseid more than once, and considering doom...doom will fall too. All are cunning but Batman had took out enemies that are like 100 times cunning than him eg. owlman in that "Crisis of earths". No, he really hasn't, he bluffed Darkseid when he used Barda's mother box to rewrite those bombs code and threaten to blow up his planet, and Darkseid let him go because he respected his strength of character, and again this isn't poker, bluffing has little to nothing to do with chess.

It's not about pure intelligence and knowledge, but also cunning and tactics.
Darkseid is a super genius and an very talented (and through millenia experienced) tactician. He would beat Doom, who has the same traits but less depth in some parts. Batman would beat Reed, Reed is smarter in the Book smart department though Batman is a genius too, but he is the better tactician and would beat Reed. DS is still superior to Batman and should take it. Batman vs Doom would be the most interesting game imo and the one where i couldn't decide who wins.

Doom beats DS
Reed beats Batman

Reed beats Doom

Batman is a much greater strategist/tactician than Mr. Fantastic is by far and also as others have pointed out, much more cunning. Chess isn't a science contest. Batman sweeps him. Darkseid and Doom could go either way.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Doom beats DS
Reed beats Batman

Reed beats Doom On opposite day

Originally posted by Star428
Batman is a much greater strategist/tactician than Mr. Fantastic is by far and also as others have pointed out, much more cunning. Chess isn't a science contest. Batman sweeps him. Darkseid and Doom could go either way.

Batman beats Reed I agree with this, but Darkseid would easily beat Doom, then easily beat Batman.

Maybe when any of these 3 can play chess against multiversal beings like Darkseid did against the Solomon, then they may actually give DS a slight challenge,

A chess match is not really a good way of measuring strategic skill. In those guys level, the winner is the one who can calc more plays (a computer beat any strategic master in real life).

Doom and Reed have some good feats in calc departament. They beat Batman for sure.

But even if we ignore this, and considerer this a "strategy contest"...well, Reed just beat Steve rogers in this game in Avengers book. He is not weak in this area.

Chess isn't a good measure of strategic skill? LOL. Ooooookkkkaaaaay. If u say so.



I'm sure that all the strongest grandmasters in the world would disagree with you there. Dude, chess is the king of all strategy games. Batman schools Reed in a tactical/strategic game like chess.

Originally posted by Star428
Chess isn't a good measure of strategic skill? LOL. Ooooookkkkaaaaay. If u say so.



I'm sure that all the strongest grandmasters in the world would disagree with you there. Dude, chess is the king of all strategy games. Batman schools Reed in a tactical/strategic game like chess.

Yea, and all of then lose to a computer who have 0 strategic skill and is 100% based in calculation... How you explain that ?

Reed and Doom possible could calc even better than those computers.

If you put normal people playing, ok, chess is a strategic game. In Reed/Doom/Super computer level ? Not really.

This is chess with a finite moveset. Whoever gets first move advantage wins all players here are smart enough imo to play perfect calculation games.

Originally posted by Star428
Chess isn't a good measure of strategic skill? LOL. Ooooookkkkaaaaay. If u say so.



I'm sure that all the strongest grandmasters in the world would disagree with you there. Dude, chess is the king of all strategy games. Batman schools Reed in a tactical/strategic game like chess. chess is two perfectly equal forces with finite move sets. There is no green side board that suddenly comes charging on to the field killing black and white. Just because chess is the dominant strategy game played world wide has little to do with the amount of strategy it requires to play it. There is no active response. Also shogi, go, and several others would be considered much more strategic than chess. Some games allow you to draw from a wide variety of pieces allowing you to "build" your army as well as arrange them to your desires. Please curb your ignorance.

You're seriously overestimating the first turn advantage. It's a slight advantage, yes, but it does not equal "auto-win" regardless of how good the white player is. It doesn't matter how good a player is with calculations. If they are not skilled in tactics and strategy then they won't get far in competitive chess. Being good with calculations is very helpful, of course, but tactics/strategy is what chess always comes down to in the end.

Chess more than anything is about being able to plan your moves ahead of time and adjust based on what your opponent is doing, being able to think 50 movies ahead is something Batman excels at over Reed IMO

That being said, Darkseid wins, he's out of everyone elses weight class here.

Richards can think much more than 50 times ahead. He can think 1000 moves ahead or more. He can calc better than a super computer in real life. He calc a wormhole to Nova sometime...a computer cant do that.

Doom is said in one issue to think fast as a super computer.

Chess is about strategy. But not when you face someone who can calculate in this level. That is why, in real life, the best humans players of world cannot beat a machine. Just because the machine calc to much to a human beat.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Richards can think much more than 50 times ahead. He can think 1000 moves ahead or more. He can calc better than a super computer in real life. He calc a wormhole to Nova sometime...a computer cant do that.

Doom is said in one issue to think fast as a super computer.

Chess is about strategy. But not when you face someone who can calculate in this level. That is why, in real life, the best humans players of world cannot beat a machine. Just because the machine calc to much to a human beat. Except that the best human players in the world HAVE beaten computers, Reed can calculate at ridiculous speeds but when it comes to thinking ahead and anticipating what his opponents are going to do, he's horribly outclassed here.

Doesn't matter how far ahead you can see if your tactical skills are lacking it won't help you against someone who is highly skilled in tactics and can see pretty far ahead themselves. Again, being able to calculate many moves ahead is very helpful but tactical skill plays a much bigger role in chess. Chess is 90% tactics. Any strong tournament-level player will tell you that.

The intelligence levels you are talking about can calculate every possible move from beggining to end regardless. The slight turn 1 advantage wins when every possible move is considered.. Including the fail ones. It doesn't matter if Batman is the better strategist than Reed because every possible strategy in chess is a finite and calculable move and Reed/Doom and probably DS can calculate every potential move from beginning to end considering Reed can calculate a reconstruction of the Universe. In a real life military scenario featuring similarly sized forces with comparable training yet different assets Batman probably takes it. But in a purely mental exercise where you don't have to account for your pieces pissing themselves in terror/freezing up/generally screwing up the plan and all assets and capabilities are quantifiable then Reed and the human calculators are going to win.

Originally posted by wanglord
Except that the best human players in the world HAVE beaten computers, Reed can calculate at ridiculous speeds but when it comes to thinking ahead and anticipating what his opponents are going to do, he's horribly outclassed here.

No dude, they lose in last Human vs Super computer games. Today they dont even do that anymore. Is consensus that computer beats human. Now they made computers tourmanets (computer vs computer).

Originally posted by Star428
Doesn't matter how far ahead you can see if your tactical skills are lacking it won't help you against someone who is highly skilled in tactics and can see pretty far ahead themselves. Again, being able to calculate many moves ahead is very helpful but tactical skill plays a much bigger role in chess. Chess is 90% tactics. Any strong tournament-level player will tell you that.

Again: how they LOSE against computers then ?

Originally posted by Uriel005 In a real life military scenario featuring similarly sized forces with comparable training yet different assets Batman probably takes it. But in a purely mental exercise where you don't have to account for your pieces pissing themselves in terror/freezing up/generally screwing up the plan and all assets and capabilities are quantifiable then Reed and the human calculators are going to win.

Yes, that would be a better way to measearu "strategic skill".

But still, Reed just beat Steve Rogers in a "stratagic game" in avengers.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
No dude, they lose in last Human vs Super computer games. Today they dont even do that anymore. Is consensus that computer beats human. Now they made computers tourmanets (computer vs computer). No dude, people have beaten computers before, Kasparov beat Deep Thought in 89, and went 2 and 3 with Deep Blue back in 97, yeah he lost but the fact is he was able to win despite Deep Blue being able to calculate much faster than he could. The only difference Reed isn't a computer, yeah he can calculate moves fast but he's still much easier to anticipate and react to than a computer would be. On top of that being able to calculate and being to anticipate are 2 different things, the latter being how grandmasters have beaten computers.

Originally posted by awraru
No dude, people have beaten computers before, Kasparov beat Deep Thought in 89, and went 2 and 3 with Deep Blue back in 97, yeah he lost but the fact is he was able to win despite Deep Blue being able to calculate much faster than he could. The only difference Reed isn't a computer, yeah he can calculate moves fast but he's still much easier to anticipate and react to than a computer would be. On top of that being able to calculate and being to anticipate are 2 different things, the latter being how grandmasters have beaten computers.

Computers have improved massively since then.

Not to mention Reed/Doom can out calculate real life supercomputers.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Computers have improved massively since then.

Not to mention Reed/Doom can out calculate real life supercomputers. And they've still been getting beaten, of course most of the time a computer would beat a grand master but a computer is nigh impossible to anticipate and react accordingly, Doom and Reed are not. Reed's brain can work like a super computer, didn't stop Stark from pwning him across five chess boards.

Also...when have Reed or Doom for that matter every out calculated a super compouter? No really...legitimate question.

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Originally posted by awraru
And they've still been getting beaten, of course most of the time a computer would beat a grand master but a computer is nigh impossible to anticipate and react accordingly, Doom and Reed are not. Reed's brain can work like a super computer, didn't stop Stark from pwning him across five chess boards.

Also...when have Reed or Doom for that matter every out calculated a super compouter? No really...legitimate question.

Nope, they've been winning. Even to the point that smartphones are getting in on the action:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Human%E2%80%93computer_chess_matches#Pocket_Fritz_
4_.282009.29

They have out calculated RL computers. As in, they are able to calculate things no real life supercomputer can do, such as time travel etc. My smartphone (which is far more powerful than a HTC Touch) isn't going to be able to crunch the numbers necessary to perform half of what they (Doom/Reed) can do.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nope, they've been winning. Even to the point that smartphones are getting in on the action:


They have out calculated RL computers. As in, they are able to calculate things no real life supercomputer can do, such as time travel etc. My smartphone (which is far more powerful than a HTC Touch) isn't going to be able to crunch the numbers necessary to perform half of what they (Doom/Reed) can do. Nope, Vadim Milov had beaten Rybka in 2007, I already admitted that Computers would win a majority of the time but once again Reed and Doom aren't super computers so it's moot, and creating something no real life supercomputer can do doesn't mean you can calculate faster, more than likely Doom and Reed and anyone else who creates sci fi wankadoodle tech understand the theory behind time travel or whatever, which has nothing to do with being able to crunch as fast as a computer does, and even if they did, unlike a computer they are suspect to anticipation, as in someone else can predict what they're going to do ahead of time.

Also calculating time travel? Wut? You can't even quantify that.

Originally posted by awraru
Nope, Vadim Milov had beaten Rybka in 2007, I already admitted that Computers would win a majority of the time but once again Reed and Doom aren't super computers so it's moot, and creating something no real life supercomputer can do doesn't mean you can calculate faster, more than likely Doom and Reed and anyone else who creates sci fi wankadoodle tech understand the theory behind time travel or whatever, which has nothing to do with being able to crunch as fast as a computer does, and even if they did, unlike a computer they are suspect to anticipation, as in someone else can predict what they're going to do ahead of time.

Also calculating time travel? Wut? You can't even quantify that.

Lol Milov won handicap matches. In a straight match, he lost. Check the link I posted.

I can't. They can. They have thought up and calculated theories and tech no Real World PC can. It's unquantifiable by real world physics - and yet, they are beyond that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol Milov won handicap matches. In a straight match, he lost. Check the link I posted.

I can't. They can. They have thought up and calculated theories and tech no Real World PC can. It's unquantifiable by real world physics - and yet, they are beyond that. OK...? Again it's moot since Reed and Doom aren't computers

And again since when does calculating sci fi mean you can calculate faster than a computer? Tons of characters create sci fi wankadoodle tech, doesn't mean they can calculate faster than an actual computer does. By this logic any fictional character that comes up with tech that doesn't exist in the real world would be able to calculate faster than a computer does, there's no correlation to be made there.

Computers in the real world don't come up with theories either, they just do the calculations. Hell Doom and Reed both use computers when they do their work.

Again, coming up with a theory =/= out thinking a computer, literally zero evidence to support this and if that was the case Reed wouldn't have lost to Stark across five chess boards at once.

Anyway I'm done here, agree to disagree then, have a good one

Originally posted by awraru
OK...? Again it's moot since Reed and Doom aren't computers

And again since when does calculating sci fi mean you can calculate faster than a computer? Tons of characters create sci fi wankadoodle tech, doesn't mean they can calculate faster than an actual computer does. By this logic any fictional character that comes up with tech that doesn't exist in the real world would be able to calculate faster than a computer does, there's no correlation to be made there.

Computers in the real world don't come up with theories either, they just do the calculations. Hell Doom and Reed both use computers when they do their work.

Again, coming up with a theory =/= out thinking a computer, literally zero evidence to support this and if that was the case Reed wouldn't have lost to Stark across five chess boards at once.

Doom and Reed don't use real world PCs, do they? They use THEIR own supercomputers - which are far in advance of ours. Certainly far in advance of my smartphone, which can beat chess masters.

You are getting confused. I am comparing REAL WORLD computers to sci fi wankery. YOU are comparing SCI-FI supercomputers to SCI -FI wankery, lol. Totally different.

Plus, they don't just 'come up with a theory', lol. They actually do the math to substantiate it. You can't just go to a computer and say, hey, I have a theory of time-travel, now calculate it for me. You need to teach the PC the maths required to back it up.

Anyway, here's Reed subbing in for Worldmind. Worldmind is, as you may know, one of the most powerful supercomputers in the UNIVERSE, amassing the stored knowledge of an entire scientifically advanced planet over the past million years, with the requisite calculation speeds to access it. And Reed had 'some' trouble replacing it, but was able to.

Now imagine how much better he would be against a normal, real world EARTH based supercomputer. Or even a 2009 HTC Touch smartphone. Which can already beat humans.

http://i.imgur.com/vCDYarL.jpg

Edit: Spoiler alert: he managed to do the calculations.

My computer is smart enough to fix words for me. My phone is too but it massively screws up everything so I turn autocorrect off.

If I put flames on my computer it'd probably be a chess grand wizard

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doom and Reed don't use real world PCs, do they? They use THEIR own supercomputers - which are far in advance of ours. Certainly far in advance of my smartphone, which can beat chess masters.

You are getting confused. I am comparing REAL WORLD computers to sci fi wankery. YOU are comparing SCI-FI supercomputers to SCI -FI wankery, lol. Totally different.

Plus, they don't just 'come up with a theory', lol. They actually do the math to substantiate it. You can't just go to a computer and say, hey, I have a theory of time-travel, now calculate it for me. You need to teach the PC the maths required to back it up.

Anyway, here's Reed subbing in for Worldmind. Worldmind is, as you may know, one of the most powerful supercomputers in the UNIVERSE, amassing the stored knowledge of an entire scientifically advanced planet over the past million years, with the requisite calculation speeds to access it. And Reed had 'some' trouble replacing it, but was able to.

Now imagine how much better he would be against a normal, real world EARTH based supercomputer. Or even a 2009 HTC Touch smartphone. Which can already beat humans.

http://i.imgur.com/vCDYarL.jpg

Edit: Spoiler alert: he managed to do the calculations. he's not running millions of calculations in his head every second like a computer could, it doesn't matter how complex the calculations are, he can't and has never shown that he can run millions of them in his head every second

Can reed do advance calculations? quite easily

can reed do millions of calculations in his head every second? No, and there's nothing to support this

we don't know how many calculations the world mind is utilizing per second, it's extremely vague and there's no evidence

Computer software can do millions of different calculations because of algorithms set up, no one can actually program every piece of math into a computer when there are literally infinite calculations that can be programmed into a computer.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ai-learns-play-chess-international-163111631.html#xccaA42

There was great suspicion concerning Deep Blue's win over Garry Kasparov, the strongest chess player of all-time, in the rematch that took place a few years after Kasparov whipped the machine the first time. Basically, in game two, the computer was playing very uncomputer-like human moves which caused a lot of controversy:


http://www.chess.com/blog/clizaw/did-ibm-cheat-kasparov



You can watch the full documentary movie of the rematch (called "Game Over: Kasparov and the Machine" for free on 'You Tube' and see for yourself why people were so suspicious:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDe-uHsEMn8



It's quite entertaining. Unfortunately, I bought it on dvd before I realized I could watch it anytime I wanted to on 'You Tube'.

Reed is smarter than everyone here..:e beats everyone here in chess

Screw Chess. I want to see these guys play something else. Like Catan.

"Darkseid, I'll give you 3 sheep for 1 wood."

"Nobody wants your f*cking sheep, Batman."

Originally posted by Digi
Screw Chess. I want to see these guys play something else. Like Catan.

"Darkseid, I'll give you 3 sheep for 1 wood."

"Nobody wants your f*cking sheep, Batman."

Roll 7, Hahaha Robber on Doom!

Darkseid over Doom

Batman over Reed

Darkseid over Batman