My view on Phenomenology

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My view on Phenomenology

A consequence of this position is that meaning is not given "in itself," rather meaning is interpreted hermeneutically. The narrative process is an active process of interpreting the meanings) of one's present lived experience in relation to one's future and past, and expressing it in some form, whether it be language, gesture, art, or some other way. Narration is a meaning making process of interpretation.16 It is an ordering and structuring of our experience. Because this process of discovering or interpreting meaning is not fixed (i.e. is hermeneutic), the interpretation is subject to change as is the narrative. Change is possible because our future possibilities are not determined. As therapists we can assist a client in re-interpreting their past, re-narrate their experience, and attend to the 'ghosts' ofm fear that haunt the symptomatic body.

To narrate is to interpret. More specifically to interpret one's experience in light of the inherent ambiguity of existence. The value of a narrative lay not in some universal, non-contextual, atemporal correspondence between a person's past experience and the narrative, but rather it lay in the thematic articulation of the meaning of an experience. It is the symbolic naming of a human truth of lived experience, one that is subject to change. But what is ambiguity and how does it arise? Ambiguity arises when we try and reflect on what we do naturally, which is experience life. In discussing our relationship to the questions of space and time we can notes that We use our body as if we are this body; we move, we bathe, we lie in the sun. Without thinking we shake hands, we talk. We have no trouble living the answer to these questions. As soon as we start thinking about them, however, as soon as we try and examine them, the difficulties are incalculable. Matters which, prereflectively, were clear, become obscure after reflection. Ambiguity arises when we try to interpret, reflect, understand what is lived, pre-reflective, bodied-forth existence. We try and make sense of our experience, hence interpretation is what makes the world - nothing else.

Moreover, our experience is always ongoing, ever-moving, and never still. It is born, lives, and dies like every passing moment. With the flowing of time our experience moves from the present into the past. Our words should flow with them. In this sense our past is dead and we can not reclaim it, for no voice can reach us from the land of the dead. The truth lay in the passing, not in building narrative monuments that will last for all of time. Not even the song of Orpheus, whose voice had "the power to tame radical otherness," could bring Eurydice, the meaning of his life, back from the land of the dead. In order to live in the present, where the birth of meaning lay, or to be open to future possibilities, we must name and give voice to our past experience. Then we must let it go to live in the past, the land of the dead, where it belongs, just as Orpheus had to let Eurydice go.

The upshot of my view is thus: time is one dimensional and all the same at once; space is interpretation.

Any comments on this?

I can't think of any now but what you wrote is quite interesting!JM

So are you saying Time is linear? If so, this is the typical view of most people. We look forward. However what makes us a part of space and time is what we have done in the past to bring us to the point we are now. And we relay on memory to intrepretate our world to best suit us in this ever changing universe. So Time is not linear after all, it's 3 dimensional. Past, Present & Future. We think about the past, we live in the present, and we are ever thinking about the future. So our mind, our intrepretation, is in 3 places at once.

You have a very good argument, however if you don't mind some advise. . . Tune down your wording. Say what you need to say simplely without harbouring your argument with fancy words.

I'm not saying Time is linear, but that it is one dimensional - no past, present or future in reality, but in experience.

so the lost son of Sout Africa returns

But experience is not one dimensional. If it were, the ability to remember the past could not exist.

You don't seem to know what Linear time means. You seem to think that applying past, present and future to the definition of time is not linear - that is infact what linear time means! So if you think past, present and future exists - 3 dimensional in your words, then you believe in linear time, not me. Look up your definitions:

Linear time is a major feature of our Western cultural world-view, apparently initiated by Newton some 300 years ago. It portrays time as an absolute physical reality, and says that the passage of time is independent of consciousness. So it doesn't matter what you think, feel, or do, or how you look at time, time doesn't change as a result. In the linear view, time flows like a conveyor belt that moves horizontally from past to present to future at the same unchangeable speed for all of us.

I say that time actually does not exist - it is not linear - not broken up into past, present and future, but one dimensional.

Reborn Again: "But experience is not one dimensional. If it were, the ability to remember the past could not exist." That's what I said - only in experience is it 3 dimensional - look at my post.

finti, Who or what are you talking about? A lost son???

finti, Who or what are you talking about? A lost son???
lost in more than one sense of the word

Wow, you write very much like a complete hammer from south Africa who used to frequent this forum. He got kicked out for being such an arrogant and childish fool that he annoyed everyone. No offense intended, welcome to the board philo, er I mean player.

Originally posted by finti
lost in more than one sense of the word

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I really don't know what you guys are talking about - if the philo guy was banned, then how can I be him? Please , it's my first time here, don't make assumptions about me for which you have no base.

really don't know what you guys are talking about - if the philo guy was banned, then how can I be him? Please , it's my first time here, don't make assumptions about me for which you have no base
you mean beside the fact that you write exactly the same lame ass BS pseudo intellectual stuff as he did, Mona Lisa avvy and the choice of your location, the location of one of philos nemesises?

Listen finti guy, don't bash my opinions by calling it BS or pseudo intellectual - that's totally uncalled for. Mona Lisa? I just like the painting - what the hell is your problem?

Listen finti guy, don't bash my opinions by calling it BS or pseudo intellectual - that's totally uncalled for.
call it for how I see it

Am I a Nemesis? Cool I always wanted to be someone's Nemesis.

Incase you don't know what a psuedo intellectual is I refer you to a previous thread :

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f75/t324014.html

I think you guys are utterly rude. This is a philosophy discussion forum - you are just disrupting it. I will have to report you if you keep on messing up my thread.

artist <---Michelangelo

Originally posted by Player
I think you guys are utterly rude. This is a philosophy discussion forum - you are just disrupting it. I will have to report you if you keep on messing up my thread.

I check the report Player. And the guys are entitled to their opininons. As long as there is no bashing there is no problem. You gonna have to tolerate others opinions.