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Who wins?

Rocky would help Cap', so Cap' by a longshot.

Doc Ock crushes Capt's shield and beats the heck out of Capt America.

Doc Ock has some power in those arms, not enough to crush Cap's shield, but Cap is quite a guy. There's a pretty good chance for either to take home a win.

What can Captain America do to DOc Ock. IF the captain threw his shield at Doc Ock his tentacles will just catch it and throw it far away.

But what if he used his shield to shield himself from the arms until he could clock Ock in the face?

pretty good fight. I think capt. will keep his shield close and avoid the extra arms until he could manage to drop something heavy on him. If its an open area fight Doc Ock may take it.

FINALLY CountQuan posts a decent thread!

I don't know...they are fairly evenly matched. I do think that Cap can possibly slice one or more of Doc's tentacles if he tossed his shield at a high rate of speed, and Cap is the premier hand-to-hand combatant. I will go with Cap on this one.

Hmm, not sure about that cuz I'm pretty sure Doc Ock's arms are adamantium so no matter how fast Cap could throw the shield they'd bounce off the arms.

If Captain America is better than Spider-Man, then he wins. If SPidey is bettter, Ock wins.

doks arms arent adamantium anymore

What on Earth? If anyone, ANYONE, truly thinks Doctor Octopus could beat Captain America, they are truly deluded.

of course ock could beat cap, his arms move faster than a "peak human" could possibly hope to, plus the have around a 25 foot reach each

ock should win

That's literally ludicrous. Doc Ock is mediocre.

Captain America wins.....he shouldn't...but he's Captain America...so he wins.

That's how I see it. Not to mention Doc Ock is actually faeces.

mediocre little doc ock almost beat the hulk to death, he's too fast for cap, the arms react instantly to his thoughts and move way faster than humanly possible, plus he has add ons to them sometimes, like electric shocks and stuff

cna sum1 tell me how to create my own thread thing

I seem to recall in Hulk # something or other, Doc Ock coming into Joe Fixit's casino (IE not even green Hulk).

Hulk knocked him out with a flick- a literal finger flick- then tied him up with his arms. Done and done.

that is true but it doesn't take away from the fact that ock gave him a very sound ass kicking as well
and cap is no hulk

Where exactly did this 'sound ass kicking' take place, don't recall it personally.

it was in revenge (or return) of the sinister six, ock got new adamantium arms, was fighting spidey, hulk jumped in, kicked around electro and mysterio, then ock beat the crap out of him, knocked him out and threw him in the river (because the police arrived and ock isn't good against bullets)

Yeah, but that was the Professor Hulk, another of Hulks weaker incarnations with low durability. Besides, no adamantium arms in this one. Captain America is a way better fighter, if he can manage to get past those arms, (which I think he could do, considering his exceptional agility, reflexes, and gymnastic ability,) Ock's out cold.

I think the more realistic portrayal is in Hulk's own comic.

Neutral portrayal: Secret Wars.

Unlikely to be realistic: a comic designed to put over that particular group, that Hulk could destroy with ease.

While we are talking of random comics, in The Ultimates, Cpt America beat the crap out of Hulk momentarily as well. That was a super charged version of Hulk.

that was not a "super charged version of Hulk" if it was it wouldn't have even noticed cap

as for cap being fast and agile enough to dodge....... not likely, spider-man is way faster and more agile and when using his spider sense can only just keep ahead of the arms

ock doesn't need adamantium to hurt a human, aluminium would do

Are you guys talking about the one in which Bruce takes the super soldier serum? (or Cap's blood or whatever) It didn't supercharge him, it made him crazy, and caused him to transform into a stronger grey-hulk. Cap got off a few quick shots after Hulk tore into the tank, then Hulk beat the hell out of him. However If Captain America hit Doctor Octopus with those blows, he'd be out cold. But still, Doctor Octopus has the advantage.

Low durability had nothing to do with it.

Ock suspended Hulk in air using three arms to hold both of hulks arms and one leg....the 4th tentacle repeatedly slammed Hulk in the face and it resulted in Hulk being knocked out.

In that episode Hulk even admitted that he would just have to "bop" Ock on the head to knock him out. He even managed to do just that to Electro...he flicked him like a booger on a finger nail. When Hulk tried to sneak up on Doc, who was busy beating the sh!t out of Spiderman....Doc Ock caught him and layed down the biggest Hulk whooping I've ever seen.

i think it was like Spiderman 19 or 17 or something. It was definitly part of the Return of the Sinister Six.

'It' was, and did. He had taken super soldier serum.

'It didn't supercharge him, it made him crazy'

You seem to be pre-supposing what I mean by the term.

i assumed by super-charged you meant stronger than normal.... that does seem to be the most obvious meaning for it, if you meant something else feel free to share

Why would he need more strength than normal to beat Cap?

He was much more reckless and enraged.

Physically-Spidey by a longshot

As a character (in my opinion)-Spidey

As a tactician-Cap., when it comes to PLANNING an attack, but Spidey takes it solidly when it comes to taking it out there (no planning)

I think Ock would win this battle, based on the fact that his tentacles almost as or just as fast as Spidey himself, then that makes them faster than Cap. Which means that if Cap. hides behind that shield to long for planning, and Ock realizes the ill-effect of striking the shield repeatedly, he would rip it from his grasp (superior tenticle strength), or take the shield and swing it and Cap. around and around in near blurring circles until the dizzying effect disorients Cap. a great deal and causes him to lose his grip. As he lands off in an area far to the side, Ock makes his way to his side and strikes him repeatedly with the tentacles.

A pro-Cap scenario would be to sling the shield as hard as he could toward Ock at the starting bell, as his tentacles rises to sheild him and catch the shield, Cap. could run toward him and push off with a jump high into the air, soaring towards Ock's head. As Ock shakes the shock of the occurance off and throws the shield off to the side, Cap. could jab him with enough sufficient force to knock him out. But, this has little chance of happening, seeing that Ock deals with Spidey-level speed attacks.

Doc Ock wins because if Capt throws his shield at Ock, he'll just catch it. Btw, Doc Ock can smash AMerica with just 2 tentacles

It seems no-one knows about Captain America outside of having a shield. On paper Octopus might look the better prospest, however he would literally get destroyed.

i think ock would win, but if you can provide a viable scenario showing cap winning i may reconsider

nnnnnnnnaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh The doctor has 4 mechanical arms!

That's the thing, on paper it doesn't seem as though it'd happen.

I know for an actual fact if those two met, 99 times out of a hundred, and possibly the other one as well, Cap would win. It's just Marvel canon.

this isn't a marvel fight so we aren't working with the "captain America wins because he has America in his name" mentality, for once he actually has to work for a victory........ or the posters have to work to show he can get a victory

Ock wins.

Could go either way, I can see Captain America winning this one. If they ever meet each other and start fighting, Captain America would probably win, because he's one of those guys who is too popular to go down easy.

When written right, however, I think Dock Ock should win. I never thought very much of him (a would be genius who in the end always screws up), but those four tentacles of him ARE extremely fast, strong and dangerous.

If CA throws his shield at Dock Ock, one of the tentacles would probably catch the shield in mid-flight and throw it away. And without his shield, CA has absolutely NO chance.

I dont see how america could defeat DOc OCk. I say Ock wins easily.

Here's how Ock prevails:
He takes Capt's shield away and then stomp on America with his four tentacles for 20 minutes.

Originally posted by Scoobless
this isn't a marvel fight so we aren't working with the "captain America wins because he has America in his name" mentality, for once he actually has to work for a victory........ or the posters have to work to show he can get a victory

Do people on here read comics?

Captain America is overrrated, yes.

Does he win fights? Yes.

Beat better people than Ock? Yes.

By normal fighting methods? Yes.

Will he win this fight? Yes.

Should he, possibly not.

You actually can't call it man with four metal arms, v man with shield, no more than Doc Ock v Hulk would be man with four metal arms v muscley green man.

Based on the actual characters, their performances, histories, strengths, weaknesses, etc, Cap wins EASILY.

I'm not going to sit and do a little roleplay of Cap dodges one arm, throws his shield, etc.

Who wins between Chelsea and Portsmouth? Chelsea. Why? They just do. No need to script out every pass.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I'm not going to sit and do a little roleplay of Cap dodges one arm, throws his shield, etc.

of course you aren't, because even someone who say's "cap will win because cap always wins" would find it difficult to come up with a foolproof way for him to defeat someone stronger, faster, smarter and meaner than him

Originally posted by Scoobless
of course you aren't, because even someone who say's "cap will win because cap always wins" would find it difficult to come up with a foolproof way for him to defeat someone stronger, faster, smarter and meaner than him

No, it's because to do that is nonsensical. More what I was thinking.

Cap dodges one arm, throws his shield. Ock catches it! He catches it! Ock says 'nothing can stop me n...' Kick to the face! Face! FACE!

Cap.

ock can catch the shield with one arm while still attacking with the other three, without a marvel writer to back him up Cap shouldn't be able to win this............. especially if you were to use ock when he had his force field

Without a Marvel writer to back him up?

IE fight on paper.

Have addressed all this.

Cap 'shouldn't' win, but would.

Originally posted by Scoobless
of course you aren't, because even someone who say's "cap will win because cap always wins" would find it difficult to come up with a foolproof way for him to defeat someone stronger, faster, smarter and meaner than him
I agree.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom


Cap dodges one arm, throws his shield. Ock catches it! He catches it! Ock says 'nothing can stop me n...' Kick to the face! Face! FACE!


Ock catches Cap's leg and throws him around like an ragdoll.

I think you are all missing the point.

SHOULD Captain America win this fight, on paper? No.

Would he? Yes. Why? Coz he's Captain America.

-AC

i really, really, REALLY hate that type of nonsensical reasoning......... it's a forum fight....... screw what marvel would allow, here, cap is allowed to, and will, lose

Yeah who gives a hoot about popularity and writers lol. Here it's common sense and nothing else !

Therefore Dock Ock wins.

let's hear it for the not so good doctor!

This is reality not a popularity contest, Alpha

Really? N...no way. Ge...no. Get out.

Coz I ACTUALLY believe that we weren't going by abilities. I thought we were going by popularity. Also, how silly of me to think that referencing what WOULD happen is so irrelevent.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Really? N...no way. Ge...no. Get out.

Coz I ACTUALLY believe that we weren't going by abilities. I thought we were going by popularity. Also, how silly of me to think that referencing what WOULD happen is so irrelevent.

-AC

this isn't a "guess what marvel will put in their stories if......." forum, so none of that is relevent, it's purely about who would win and why voted for and discussed by the fans regardless of marvel's love of their golden boy Rogers

Well even so, we can only go by performances in the comics.

I don't go by powers on paper, because that's ludicrous.

Captain America: fights brilliantly regardless of opponent.

Doc: mediocre fighter with cool weapons. Has been flicked into a coma.

Seeing as almost every forum battle features people going by what they know in the comics, I suggest it is a bit like that, really.

Vic and I are just saying, Doc Ock would win on paper, obviously. However, there's not much "on paper" about Captain America. If they had already fought in the comics I guarantee it would have been brought up. So don't try saying these battles have no connection to the comics.

-AC

ock is a decent fighter, he held off most of the FF, the Hulk, ghostrider and one or two others all at the same time, he's beaten both spidey and the hulk unconscious, he's as fast as spider-man and doesn't tire easily because he doesn't exert his muscles and even the bad guys are scared of him
doc ock would be a major threat to any street level character with no long range weapons, cap only has one long range weapon and it's big enough for him to see easily, plus he is fast enough to stop it, spidey is faster and stronger than cap and has more experiance with ock but never takes him lightly....... i don't believe cap can win the majority of encounters against him

Depends on the writer and comic I suppose.

Cap is always written as a brilliant fighter: Ock is often as useful as a siamese retard.

like scoobless said before i hate those kinds of nonsencical reasoning

Ock held off the Hulk........'s finger.

Actually, he didn't even do that.

-AC

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Depends on the writer and comic I suppose.

Cap is always written as a brilliant fighter: Ock is often as useful as a siamese retard.

please............ can we have one thread where someone doesn't say it depends on marvel in some way......... they aren't involved in this......... although i do think it would be a good idea for them to view these threads as a way of getting direct information on what their fans think........ especially as they seem to forget their characters abilities and background from time to time

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Ock held off the Hulk........'s finger.

Actually, he didn't even do that.

-AC

you should read that sinister six story, ock gives the hulk a lot more than "the finger"........ everyone knows ock is just an average human when you get past the arms but the problem is the difficulty involved in doing that, i haven't personally read the fixit/ock encounter but i'd like to see what happened immediately before the finger incident so i could either use it or argue it

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom

Ock is often as useful as a siamese retard.

If siamese retards can kick Spider-man's ass numerous times, then I guess you are right.

Originally posted by Scoobless
please............ can we have one thread where someone doesn't say it depends on marvel in some way......... they aren't involved in this......... although i do think it would be a good idea for them to view these threads as a way of getting direct information on what their fans think........ especially as they seem to forget their characters abilities and background from time to time

Get over it man.

EVERYONE refers to how they are written because people refer to what would happen if it happened in a comic. Which is valid considering they are comic characters.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Get over it man.

EVERYONE refers to how they are written because people refer to what would happen if it happened in a comic. Which is valid considering they are comic characters.

-AC

it's valid as long as you don't argue the case bassed on marvels politics of keeping their major characters in one piece......... of course there will NEVER be a comic in continuity with Ock ripping Cap's arms off....... even though he is fully capable of it

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
If siamese retards can kick Spider-man's ass numerous times, then I guess you are right.

Funny. You got me.

Oh, but you didn't. Note the word 'often'.

Originally posted by Scoobless
you should read that sinister six story, ock gives the hulk a lot more than "the finger"........ everyone knows ock is just an average human when you get past the arms but the problem is the difficulty involved in doing that, i haven't personally read the fixit/ock encounter but i'd like to see what happened immediately before the finger incident so i could either use it or argue it

Not sure what your other post meant about 'not using Marvel'. They are Marvel characters. Their strengths are based on how they perform in comics.

As far as immediately before the finger incident: Ock walked into Hulk's casino, acting like a *****. Hulk flicked him, tied him up in his arms. No fuss no muss.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Not sure what your other post meant about 'not using Marvel'. They are Marvel characters. Their strengths are based on how they perform in comics.

i just meant, if you were to give the characters, abilities and personalities to an independent writer with no ties to marvel, no knowledge of fan-favouritism and no need to worry about current and future circulation of titles.... then i think at least 8 out of 10 of them would write Ock as the winner

Doesn't Doctor Ock have Adamantium tentacles now?

Originally posted by Scoobless
i just meant, if you were to give the characters, abilities and personalities to an independent writer with no ties to marvel, no knowledge of fan-favouritism and no need to worry about current and future circulation of titles.... then i think at least 8 out of 10 of them would write Ock as the winner

Hmm. He'd probably have the edge. Even then, you never know. Ock is basically a dork with good weapons.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Hmm. He'd probably have the edge. Even then, you never know. Ock is basically a dork with good weapons.

and a mean streak

actually Doc isn't all bad, one time he was trying to find a cure for AIDs, that's pretty decent of him....... he also saved Aunt May from a Doc Ock wannabe that stole his designs

oooookkkkkkkk

Originally posted by Scoobless
actually Doc isn't all bad, one time he was trying to find a cure for AIDs, that's pretty decent of him....... he also saved Aunt May from a Doc Ock wannabe that stole his designs

It's kinda weird that they can build time machines, dimensional portals, godlike armours, ion cannons and a whole other bunch of useless crap but the cure for AIDS stumps the greatest minds on the planet.

Cap will most likely run and hide becuase he's not dumb in the time it takes Doc Ock to find him he would have probably came up with a plan to take Doc Ock down.If there in a closed in place were cap can't run are buy time Doc Ock win's easy.