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Who wins out of these two BADASS sith lords?

Sidious, NO CONTEST

You sure about that? Exar Kun is pretty badass.

Yeah, except he never and could never defeat Yoda.

He wiped out most of the senate at the time, and killed loads of jedi. LOADS of thenm

I agree that sids would probably win, but I don't think he will win in THAT convincing fashion.

BULLSQUASH!

Exar Kun could never cloud the entire lightside of the force like Sidious did. I mean the force didn't create an arrogant little brat to kill Exar Kun

OK, I'll take your word for it. People have told me that Exar Kun is really Badass. That was the only reason I created this thread.

Exar Kun's okay, but I'd say Sidious.

Sidious; Prophecy.

Exar is classed as the most dangerus sith of all time acording to the offical fact file

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Sidious would strangle Exar Kun from his big comfortable Emperor's chair dude.
Most dangerous Sith? Where does it say this again? As I said earlier, it takes a chosen one and a friggin prophecy to take down Sidious.

ok...this might be the lamest thread ever. Sidious is the most powerful sith....strike that, being, in the star wars universe. anakin kills him because of the prophecy, but he's not more powerful than him. get the facts straight, sidious, if fighting one-on-one to the death, would whipe the floors with any character in the SW universe.......especially exar kunT!

I think we all know that Sidious would win. But it would be a cool fight. And this is definitely not the lamest thread ever... Oh, but you would know about every thread right? Since you have been here for such a long time... since ummm, today.

Wow, you're now bragging about being a veteran of a thread online.......hmmmm why don't you just brag about being a virgin as well?

Exar Kun no doubt.

If you consider the KotOR games a viable source, then Kreia says "we are like children with lightsabers when compared to the old masters". That tells me that knowledge of the force has been lost throughout time, and assuming this trend continues from the time of Naga Sadow to the time of Exar Kun, all the way to the time of Palpatine, then Exar Kun would be more powerful by default, and therefore, would win.

I've tried time and again to point out that knowledge of the Force and such has been lost over time, but some people are almost religious in their worship of the Prophecy and Anakin and Sidious.

Well, Sidious orchestrates the falling of the Jedi order, and uses their own savior to destroy the order.
That's a Sith that rocks the house.

So does Darth Obesious when he tries to master the Force jump, but we don't give him too much credit, now do we?

Yeah, but who DID take over the galaxy under the noses of the Jedi?
who DID take the chosen one from the jedi under the noses of the Jedi?
who DOES defeat Yoda?
who DOES cloud the entire lightside of the force?

Good points, but consider that it took ALL the Jedi of the day to defeat Exar. Plus, it's logical that over time, the power of both Sith and Jedi will have diminished. As texts are translated and re-translated, stuff gets lost.

And I don't buy the 'prophecy' for a minute. If that were so, Palpatine could strut into the temple any time he felt like it and single-handedly wipe out all the Jedi.

And if u remember correctly, they didn't actually win over Kun. And also, when Kun confronted all the thousand Jedis at a Council meeting he froze them all, he could easily have destroyed all the Jedi right there.

It's been stated that Darth Sidious is THE MOST POWERFUL FORCE USER EVER. So tell me again why we're even arguing the fact that any one person alone could take him on in combat....seriously guys, come on.

Originally posted by jackstain
It's been stated that Darth Sidious is THE MOST POWERFUL FORCE USER EVER. So tell me again why we're even arguing the fact that any one person alone could take him on in combat....seriously guys, come on.

That statement has no meaning here. when we start talking about Exar Kun we stepped into the EU. And in the EU Kun is far more superior then Palps.

um how does it have no meaning? when it was stated MOST POWERFUL FORCE USER......not in just the movies,or just the times of the empire......EVER!!! that means he was compared to exar kunT and was more powerul....ever means,um,EVER. like, no one has ever been more powerful. hello?

Ok then, give me the quote where GL says that Sidious is the most powerful Sith ever, also in the EU.

I don't think that's gonna happen any time soon.

I don't buy the prophecy bit either. I find it lame and really, really unfounded in EU territory.

Exar Kun, definately.

Hey, Sidious is a movie character, Kun is an EU character. Which means, we have to take every bit of information into our decision, which is why I choose Sidious.

chilled monkey said:
"Good points, but consider that it took ALL the Jedi of the day to defeat Exar. Plus, it's logical that over time, the power of both Sith and Jedi will have diminished. As texts are translated and re-translated, stuff gets lost."
Technically it took the combined power of Luke and Anakin to defeat Sidious. Weren't they all of the Jedi of their day?

chilled monkey said:
"And I don't buy the 'prophecy' for a minute. If that were so, Palpatine could strut into the temple any time he felt like it and single-handedly wipe out all the Jedi."

Sidious doesn't know about the prophecy, (IMHO) otherwise he would have never gone near Anakin with promises of more power. He didn't go waste the Jedi like you claim he could have, because he's smart, calculating and a master of string pulling. His plan was to become Emperor first, kill Jedi second.

Alright, but suppose Sidious DID know about the prophecy? Are you telling me that if he did know he could kill every single Jedi by himself if he wanted too?

That seems too unbelievable to me.

Sidious did know of the prophesy. He believed that balance could only be achieved through order, and the strict order than he imposed through the galactic empire. He might even have believed himself to be the chosen one.

omg, go to supershadow.com......thats where u can see that sidious is the most powerful ever

and it says on the website that alll facts are ok'd with GL first

And u just lost all form for credibility.


SS is the biggest Star wars fraud in the world and is much hated here, be careful to speak of him. It is even a thread for mocking him: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t294610.html

Originally posted by jackstain
omg, go to supershadow.com......thats where u can see that sidious is the most powerful ever

uh oh, here we go again...

you guys are just jealous of his incredibly hot girlfriend lol

ok well i didnt know that the site was bogus u sack heads.......that was just one source. Ive seen it many places, thats just the only one i remembered

Jackstain, if you were here to see yourself, I'd laugh at you. I would insult you, but why take away your dayjob?

And it has never been stated that Sidious is the most powerful Force user of all time, anywhere credible. Most I can find to even give the guy some props is that he is, to quote Starwars.com database, the most powerful practitioner of Sith techniques in modern times. Meaning, Exar Kun pwns his ass. It's that simple.

Was Exar Kun so powerful that the force had to create a life to destroy him? didn't think so

Note also that Starwars.com says Anakin was possibly "Conceived by the will of the Force". Doesn't mean the Force banged his mother and thus he was born. It implies that his birth may have been orchestrated by the Force and its will, but nothing else. It also doesn't have a clause saying he's the greatest Jedi of all time.

No, but George Lucas has said Anakin is the most powerful come Episode 3, and that is more valid than any book

Of all time? He honestly says that?

Funny that Obi Wan defeated the most powerful Jedi of all time.

Obi-Wan defeated Anakin because he knew him so well and Anakin was still new to the darkside and made more mistakes. Had Anakin been trained as well as Dooku or Maul, Obi-Wan would have bit the big one.

And yes, George Lucas has said that Anakin is the most powerful force user ever, then Sidious takes the title after Anakin's lava bath.

Alright, assuming you'e totally right, when and where did he say this? And in what context? Did he really say of all time, or perhaps did he say of this time?

It was in an interview on, I think 60 minutes, there's a thread that talks about it in the episode 3 forum.

And he said, Anakin is the most powerful ever, he has a higher connection to the force than anyone, and when he joins the darkside, the power inside him practically drives him insane.

Huh. Alright. So he's insanely powerful. Exar Kun still pwns Sidious.

Yeah, GL has said that Anakin is the most powerful Force user ever. But he hasn't said anything like that about Sidious. That's why I say that the only one able to defeat Kun is Anakin.

I don't think he could own him, but I think it would be a super sweet fight.

Alright, let's settle for that.

Well, either way, wouldn't they most likely join up?
Whoa, everyone would be screwed

This might be true. Hmmm...

Imagine what they could do together.
Of course, I'm willing to bet Anakin and Luke together, fully trained in the lightside of the force could stop them.
A HA, a neew thread.

I never figured Anakin the type of person to become as cool and wiser as Luke eventually did.

had he stayed on the lightside, he might have

Exar Kun wins no problem. He almost single handedly resulted in the deaths of several hundred Jedi. Palpatine may have praticaly destroyed the Jedi, but that was with the help of massive armies, bounty hunters, and many other Sith and Dark Jedi. I think I read somewhere that Exar Kun killed over a hundred Jedi in one battle. I think that is more than Palpatine could do.

i cant believe its even this close.......it should be like darth sidious- 34710928374891237409872273/exar kunT- 3.

i almost forgot....

kun would own palpy

jackstain, you have to realize that sids isn't god. He certainly wouldn't waste Kun in seconds, it would be a sweet fight. Kun definitely stands a chance in this one.

i couldn't agree more

i didnt say he was God, but however the fightt went, sidious wuld win.

never
kun is ONE of the greatest SITH lords ever

I don't think Sidious could hang, honestly. Just because he can dominate in the modern era of Jedi doesn't mean crap for the supposed Golden Era of Sithdom and the old Republic.

Originally posted by jackstain
i didnt say he was God, but however the fightt went, sidious wuld win.

I disagree. Kun was one badass sith lord and it took like hundreds of jedi to kill him. His spirit even survived the attack. And it took even 11 jedi to combine their powers and kill his spirit, ionized air particles. While for Sidious, it took a half-dead, one-handed, cripple to simply throw him in a shaft, and even when he reincarnated, Han Solo simply blasted him in the back with a blaster and ended his life right there. I definitely wouldn't count Exar out in this, he certainly can beat Sidious.

lol... Excellent logic there. Sidious loses.

naah,heres my logic!


http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40162000/jpg/_40162590_jackson.jpg

If I had the program, I'd edit that picture and make it a lightsaber....

Orginally Posted by Jedimaster2000
I disagree. Kun was one badass sith lord and it took like hundreds of jedi to kill him. His spirit even survived the attack. And it took even 11 jedi to combine their powers and kill his spirit, ionized air particles. While for Sidious, it took a half-dead, one-handed, cripple to simply throw him in a shaft, and even when he reincarnated, Han Solo simply blasted him in the back with a blaster and ended his life right there. I definitely wouldn't count Exar out in this, he certainly can beat Sidious.

lol, thats a good way of looking at it. Exar would certainly beat Han, and Han beat Palply. Personally I think that Palps is a bit over ratedin most cases, sure he's great, but if Yoda were in his prime, he would beat him. Actually in Yoda: Dark Rondevous, where Dooku is trying to convince Yoda to turn dark, he realizes just how stupid that is, not sure of the exact quote but I think it was, "If Yoda were to turn, Sidious wouldn't stand a chance, the galaxy would fall. The galaxy had not yet conprehended the power that a 800 year old jedi could wield. So if a 800 year old guy would waste Sidous so easily (sure he would beat anyone, but Dooku made it sound like he wouldn't even have to look at the guy) then I think that Exar would also beat him. I think Anakin in RotS (pre-lava bath) would beat him, NJO Luke would beat him, heck, Han beat him.

So Exar, though it would be one great battle. Also, like Darth Janus said, lots would have been forgotten in 4000 years, Exar has a bigger understanding of the force and more duelling styles and and force powers. Kun would win.

probably Sidious, but I think I may be underestimating Kun

according to the ROTS novel, Sidious holds the combined power and knowledge of all Sith. The Sith have evolved over time and gained new insight in the force which is why out of all the Jedi, only Anakin (the chosen one) and Mace windu (practitioner of Vaapad) could defeat him. This would mean that Sidious would have all the power and knowledge of Darth Plaguies, Darth Bane, Exar Kun, and Naga Sadow. In his fight with Yoda, he desplayed a power similar to Mace's Vapaad in that he could use the power directed against him to empower himself. Furthermore, Palpatine was able to cloud the light side of the force and to prolong his life with mitichlorian manipulation. He was also able to manipulate and control the separatists, countless beaurocrats, and all but 2,000 senators.
that's why i think he is more powerful than Kun ever was.

I sometimes hate the prequels. Ever since they came out, nobody can hold a candle to Sidious and Anakin. It's ridiculous.

The Chosen One theory blows. So do the ideas of midi-chlorians. Since the Old Republic was very advanced and didn't mention them, and the sequels never mentioned them, and the prequels shouldn't have mentioned them, I am writing them off as nonsense. A drunken bet on GL's part.

I don't see how Sidious could have all the knowledge of the Sith, considering it was difficult to find in the time of the Old Republic, and that was a goldmine compared to present day. I could take the word of some freelance author, but to each his own. I just think it's BS. If Sidious was so powerful, he would have turned Luke by force. Right then, right there. He would have destroyed Mace and Yoda, right then. Right there. He didn't. He's weaker than anyone thinks. End of argument.

Clouding the light side of the Force seems to be this man's big ability, and it means jack all in combat.

"Ha ha, Exar! I have clouded the light side of the Force!"

"Sid, I can SEE you. And I'm Sith. What good did that do?"

"Crap!"

So there goes that. Clouding the light side of the force is pretty damn easy, really.
And political manipulation is nifty, really is. But means jack all in combat.

Finaly someone who can put my thoughts into words.

It's more about knowledge of both jedi and sith and the ability to reflect the force back at your opponent. Yoda lost to sidious because the more power Yoda used, the more power Sidious deflected at him. Redirecting power can be much more powerful than having power (one of the pillars of several martial arts, such as Kung Fu and Aikido), Mace got the drop on Sidious and melted his face by using the same tactic against him through Vapaad. I don't recall Kun using Sidious' degree of force reflection against any Jedi. For that matter, Mace could've gotten the drop on him too, power is useless if it is simply redirected back at you.

Oh yeah, and then there's the whole matter of virtual immortality through midichlorian manipulation discovered by Darth Plaguies and unmatched saber skill (discussed in a previous thread-Ambidextrity, speed, agility, and knowledge.)

Midi-chlorians are stupid. And immortality through science really just makes the mysticism of the Force worth jack all. And Exar Kun didn't need some cheap cloning technique. His bloody ghost hung around for years, nabbing the body of a very powerful Force user and pretty much giving NJO Luke a fight for his life. NJO Luke, I might add, could whup Sidious around like a ragdoll.

As far as redirecting power back at the user, perhaps there is some truth in what you say, and that could be a definate plus for Sidious. But it's not enough to make me think the old man could hack it.

OK, i vote for Exar Kun cos i didn't see much of Sidious but his lightning on Luke... well, i think u can only know if they are facing each other...

my first post here

well if u ask me the whole prohpecy is bullshit. sidious coultn even touch exar. considering the fact exar could kill a jedi simply by looking at them and the ground shook when he walked upon it. the dark energy was pooring out of him. and about that sidious making the order fall, its not true, the order fell cuz the jedi became arrogant, they had not seen the dark side for millenia and forgot wat was it like, to face a true threat when they had to rely on light side completely to have a chance. so when they faced it finally, they werent ready. and did not know much of how to defend.

and also, exar wouldnt even have to use any powers on sid, he would just anal rape him with his saber and bye bye palpy.

I don't see why people hate midichlorians so much, all they really do is show that the Jedi gained such an insight to the force that they were able to use some, key word being some, scientific evidence to prove the force is real.

And hate the prophecy all you want, but the fact is it's a real and integral part of Star Wars. You guys may hate George Lucas for changing the story and adding things U don't like, but tough sh*t. It's not your story and although we have the right to complain about it, there's nothing you can do about it.

Personally, when I first heard of midichlorians I was somewhat pissed, but after I read some interviews Lucas made, and he ellaborated on them, I'm cool with it, since like I said, it's his story.

Originally posted by Kun-ni Habeo
never
kun is ONE of the greatest SITH lords ever



and sidious isnt? sidious is THE greatest sith of all time, why do u think they made movies about him?? and not exar kunT


i know the statement made no sense whatsoever, i was just kidding, but seriously sidious wuld own, kunT is a poon.


http://simonz.web.elte.hu/wallp/yoda-sidious.jpg

they made movies because GL first made up sids and later kun and revan,malak,naga sadow
they are all members of EU-expanded universe
first they said here is sids his apprentice is vader there is luke.....
then there was maul,anakin.....qqui gon..gen. grievious..then they said here is revan he is the greatest sith of his time,kun in his,naga sadow in his time.
you get the picture???????????????
PS:
naga sadow would own palpy
revan too
kunT too

OK, here is what I have against the prophecy. Ever since the prophecy theory came out, people have started worshipping it like christians worshipping god and tend to just throw away all the accomplishments of other force users as if it's nothing. This is pure ignorance and closed-mindedness. Just because the prophecy had to do with Sidious and Anakin, it doesn't make them immortal. You have to see Exar Kun's power as well. He slaughtered many Jedi Masters and it took almost all the Jedi Knights of the old republic to kill him. Lucas may have introduced this prophecy in the saga, but nowhere did he say "Anakin and Sidious have to do with the prophecy, therefore they are god and will own the whole world." That's just what I'm trying to point out. You guys should be more open-minded and can't just give Sidious or Vader victories because of the prophecy without regarding the opponent's powers aswell.

wise, jedimaster2000 is.

Very wise. The prophecy is for those who are too afraid to think for themselves and to risk using information to make educated decisions. What good is your opinion, I ask, if it's uneducated but still yours?

ye exacly as jedimaster said, u cant just hang up victories on some1 cuz they had some prohpecy about them.
in prequel, there was nothin indicatin vader or sidious as invincible, so i refuse to believe, that they are all so great, only cuz the have some prohpecy on their side.

PROHPECY = BULLSHIT

obi didnt have any prophecies about he being the chosen one, but he still owned anakin.

what it comes down to really is the films over EU. In this case, Palpy wins because he was created by Lucas himself.
Plus he was the last of the Sith (not counting Darth Lumiya)

So, by your reasoning, if Exar Kun was made by Lucas himself, he would win? And also, if Exar Kun was the last of the Sith he would win?

Non Sequitor.

Sidious has more legitimacy

Three things...

One, this is Eu related thread. Hence why we have Kyle Katarn, Revan, and a whole host of other non-movie characters listed here. If you put the movies on a pedastal and make all else unequal, you defeat the purpose of these threads and are basically wasting time.

Two, legitimacy is a big word to use. The movies themselves are a story set in a galaxy, far far away. This story revolves around Anakin Skywalker, from apprenticeship until death. It's a story about good versus evil. It's not the Bible of SW galaxy. If GL's word is law in SW, then all the work and imagination that has been contributed by other people (From authors to fan suggestions to costume designers) has been for nothing. Wasted effort. And also if GL's word is law, it could change at any time. He could wake up tomorrow and go "You know, Ki Adi Mundi is god. I think I'll just say it and watch the debates fly..." And then it's law. It has legitimacy. What a sad state of affairs that is.

Third, I have yet to see a supporter of the prophecy say something convincing enough to make me give props to Sidious and Anakin without refering to the prophecy. For those of us who are older and watched the sequels in theatre, these prequel notions of midi-chlorians and prophecies are disturbing. And while we all agreed that Vader was a badass, he was not god and neither was the emperor.

hmm, Sidious succeeded where every other Sith failed (barring possibly Darth Bane since there is evidence from the EIII novel that he ruled the galaxy at one point). He wiped out the jedi barring two and conquered the galaxy.

Where did all the other sith lords fail though? If you will, I'd love specifics. Helps get points across to one another.

Revan's machinations obliterated all but four Jedi and converted many more. This is in a time of more militant Republic, more warminded Jedi, and quite simply MORE Jedi. Sidious simply had Anakin murder those who weren't killed at Geonosis or in the Clone Wars.

As for conquering the galaxy, that is a misleading statement. There are thousands of galaxies in the SW universe. Sidious, for all his cunning, controlled the Republic and reshaped it. He did not conquer all of the galaxies out there. He also did not even conquer those galaxies in the Republic. He simply assumed power and then instated martial law, creating a military-minded empire. That's like saying Hitler conquered Europe by becoming chancellor of Germany. And of course, the idea that he could conquer most of the known universe or even the Republic in thirty years or so is quite an assumption. He was up to his ass in rebellion ten years before ANH.

galaxies? star wars takes place in one specific galaxy

no actually, its is the star wars universe. In that universe are thousands of galaxys, for instance, the Courscant galaxy, the Corellia galaxy, the Unknown regions, I could go on for a long time. For instance, we all live in the same universe (well except some kids in my math class, but whatever), but in this universe is the Milky Way galaxy, the Andromedra galaxy etc.

and while you say Sidious was all good, might I remind you that he lived in a mostly peaceful time, the republic had not seen war for a 1000 years (Sio Bibble), the jedi were keepers of the peace, not soldiers (Mace Windu) etc. To put it simply, the republic during his time was weak.
During the time of Exar Kun, the republic was militarily like the empire, thousands of ships, millions of soldiers, jedi trained for war. And he still nearly crushed it, killing many jedi.
In palps time, probably 70% of the jedi order was killed in the clone wars (am I the only one who finds this pathetic, 7000 jedi being killed by droids), probably another 100 jedi being killed by Asajj and Grevious and Dooku. So by the time Sid takes power, only a handful of jedi remain and most of those are killed by Boba Fett or Vader, Sid kills what, say 8 if hes lucky. To put it simply, hes not as good as everyone thinks, look at some of the ancients if you want to see real power.

Sio Bibble. That sounds familiar. Gah... cursed olg age playing with my mind.

But yes, that is pathetic. Droids killing Jedi. What a joke.

it's one galaxy!!! where did you get his multiple galaxy crap?

Watch AOTC. They say "Thousands of galaxies are succeeding and more are joining the Seperatist ranks". It says it right there. Galaxies.

Originally posted by Kun-ni Habeo
they made movies because GL first made up sids and later kun and revan,malak,naga sadow
they are all members of EU-expanded universe
first they said here is sids his apprentice is vader there is luke.....
then there was maul,anakin.....qqui gon..gen. grievious..then they said here is revan he is the greatest sith of his time,kun in his,naga sadow in his time.
you get the picture???????????????
PS:
naga sadow would own palpy
revan too
kunT too


ok thats why i said the statement was sarcastic......you should read the wHoLe post, before you criticize it.

http://user.tninet.se/~djv504e/alf/alfinsw.jpg

dude, janus, thousands of systems seperate, not galaxies

galaxy- one of the vast number of systems containing stars, nebulae, star clusters, and interstellar matter that make up the universe. The Milky Way is the local galaxy seen from Earth. Galaxies are classified principally according to shape, ranging from spherical and elliptical through spiral (with or without barred nucleus) to amorphous.

Hot damn, I love being moderately educated.

yeah its the star wars universe, with thousands of galaxys in that universe, like the courscant galaxy, the corellia galaxy, the korriban galaxy etc. Its also like that in our universe, we all live in the same universe (except some people in my history class, but whatever), but in that universe is the Milky Way galaxy, the Andromedra galaxy etc.

Also, about the Emperor, he is way over estimated, sure he was powerful but if you want to see real power look at Naga Sadow or Marka Ragnos, any of the ancient sith.

Well, I still believe that Sidious is more powerful than any Sith before him. His abilities were far above sabers, but he was a master with words. Not to say ancient Sith weren't good at these things, but I personally believe Sidious to be the best of the best.

Fair enough. Your opinion, man. I haven't been able to change it yet.

But words ain't gonna save Sidious from a saber to his ugly old face.

Or getting thrown down a shaft lol!

That's his weakness. That and long staircases. Curse those infidels! They have no respect for the physically handicapped! Argh! Lightning!

dude, i would hate to be the guy who parked in palpatine's spot at the palace

Yeah, but imagine how many less hours it would take to leave early for the day?

true, but having force lightning zap it's way through my body doesn't sound fun

Two words, my friend.

Rubber boots.

i go exar kun....the ancient sith were more bad ass physically.....sidious has some bad ass powers...but meh.....doesnt seem like a real fighter type...

Aha! I have found a loophole in the prophecy! Erm... mebbe not really. But something amusing at least.

Quin Gon said that Anakin had more midi-chlorians in his blood then Anakin, yes?

Yoda's one foot nothing! He's got enough blood to maybe fill three cans of Pepsi. Of course he has less midi-chlorians than anyone. Hell, I bet he eats lighter than the Chosen One too! lol

HAHAHAHA! are u joking me! wait till you go and see ROTS

then you will realise how much sidious "doesnt seem like a real fighter type"

Sids owns everyone, OTHER then EU Luke

and yea ur gonna say that Kun made luke go into a coma etc. but he was defeated by kids (after he died already)

as for Kun killing hundreds of jedi at once, sure why not. but i think sids could easly do the same (assuming that jedi like yoda and windu were not in the fray) take a hundred normal jedi, sure id put sids against them anyday...

PLUS! in the PT and the OT palps is old, imagine him in his prime like Kun, he would rape everyone...

yeah, the book describes sidious as a shadowy blur with a lightsaber.

if he's half as amazing as he is in the book, it's going to be ming boggling

Exar Kun is the one to design the first double-bladed lightsaber. But since Sidious can shield himself from the entire Jedi Order, Sidious would probably be able to defeat Exar Kun

Originally posted by Master Mawi
Exar Kun is the one to design the first double-bladed lightsaber. But since Sidious can shield himself from the entire Jedi Order, Sidious would probably be able to defeat Exar Kun

Sidious shielding himself from the entire Jedi Order means what exactly in personal combat?

It's also debated that the Force was leaning towards the Dark Side, clouding the Order's vision (since they were on the Light Side). The opposite occurs in the original trilogy, where the Force goes back to the Light, clouding the Dark Side; this is why Sidious cannot find Luke's presence -- he is hidden just as Sidious himself was in the prequels.

So there's an argument to be made whether or not it was entirely Sidious's doing that his presence was shielded so well. Even then, Mace Windu did eventually figure it out and as far as we know in Ep III, had it not been for Anakin's interference, Sids may have died then and there.

Doesn't make Sids any less powerful, however; that's not what I'm trying to say.

There is no way possible Kun could beta Sidious, Sidious destroys Exar Kun. Sidious is very unpredictable, more unpredictable than Kun. Sidious force power is definitly more powerful than kuns.