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hmmmmm...Hawkman his ability to fly and superior fighting skill should give him a slight edge.

I dunno about that. Pretty much all his got going for him is his flight.

Whereas the Spidemeister's got incredible agility, superhuman strength and plus - what good are wings when they're webbed up?

I don't think Spideysense is much use - normally when Spidey faces any worthy foes, it usually runs something laong the lines of... "My Spidey sense is - aaargh!" *WHACK!!!!*

Similar to Vulture in that he has flight capability, but Hawkman is more skilled with his fighting that Vulture.

Meh....I'm going to give this one to Hawkman, but say Spidey could win this fight as well.

Im saying that Hawkman wins.

(Awesome sig, Linkalicious)

So I guess a lot of people think Hawkman would win. Surprising. Anyone want to vouch for dear old Spidey?

I think Spider-man can beat him he he beat Will O' The Wisp and he could fly alot better then the Vulture and he could aslo lift 12 tons and change his body density and can fly up to 90 miles per hour.So I thank Spider-man can handle him.

Spiderman never gets a win in this forum

Sure he does. A lot of people thought he could easily beat Batman and Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine.

does hawkman have any other physical abilities other than the wing thing?...... if not then i think spidey would take him down easy

He has superstrength, a lot of weapons, and thousands of years of battle experience (he reincarnates himself).

how much superstrength are we talking about here? and how fast can he fly?

Hawkman can fly as fast as Mach 3.

Hawkman was strong enough to lift a bridge momentarily.

what type of bridge?........ give me a ton estimate as i didn't see that, what are his reflexes like? human? peak human? or superhuman?

At the most? Possibly up to 5 tons.

His reflexes are slightly enhanced.

His Nth metal wings have the power to disrupt gravity for a time (don't ask)

huh..........i thought his wings were natural....... doesn't matter........ i think spidey would kick his ass

I thought they were natural too (They DO have feathers) but we were both wrong.

Hawkman has lived for several thousand LIVES. He has incredible experience. Although it may not be able to tip the scales. His weaponery may help.

experience doesn't help a great deal against spidey who can dodge pretty much anything shot or thrown at him through spider sense, he may be too fast and strong for hawk person

Is it just me or does Spidey ever loses when a thread involves him???
Just curious!!!!

Originally posted by LordFear
Is it just me or does Spidey ever loses when a thread involves him???
Just curious!!!!

yeah, he loses quite often......... he lost to Flash, he's losing to Krypto, he's losing to the team of Cap+DD+Wolverine (in the vote anyway), She-Hulk.......... those are the ones i'm a little familiar with....... i never went into the Aquaman one but i think he'll lose that......... he's not Doctor Doom you know, he can lose on a fan site

Experience does matter versus agility. Think of an old martial arts master versus a young strong student. It doesn't matter that the student is physically stronger and quicker, the master can use that against him or her. The master can anticipate movements and cause the other person to be in a vulnerable position. This doesn't mean Hawkman would win for sure, it is just to say that experience should not be underestimated.

i'm not comparing it according to his agility or strength but to his spider sense....... hawk can know all the tricks in the world but if he doesn't have super speed to back it up with, he isn't going to be able to land a single clean blow on spidey......... especially if he is webbed up

nicely said scoobless

thankyou........

Spider-Man!!!

Bump. Unsure. I want to say Hawks, but meh.

I'd say Spidy, Hawkman and Hawkgirl had a hell of a time with Alias The Spider's webbing and I don't think they were nearly as good as Spider-mans.

i'd gve it to spidey as well, but i think it would be a great battle. and thanks for the bump digi.

Hawkman. and bump.

Spider Man and bump

Originally posted by Blade Cutter
I think Spider-man can beat him he he beat Will O' The Wisp and he could fly alot better then the Vulture and he could aslo lift 12 tons and change his body density and can fly up to 90 miles per hour.So I thank Spider-man can handle him.


uhh i think spidey is a little stronger than thatOriginally posted by ZephroCarnelian
I dunno about that. Pretty much all his got going for him is his flight.

Whereas the Spidemeister's got incredible agility, superhuman strength and plus - what good are wings when they're webbed up?

I don't think Spideysense is much use - normally when Spidey faces any worthy foes, it usually runs something laong the lines of... "My Spidey sense is - aaargh!" *WHACK!!!!*

scans, or you're just making up what you said

Spiderman is just too agile and strong

The webbing just wins him the day

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Hawkman. and bump.

how?

Spider-man. Hawk has the weapons advantage but anything hawkman throws at spider-man will have to go through spider-sense. Sure Hawkman can tag him eventually but the chances of Spider-man landing shots at him or pinning him with webbing to disarm him is more likely. Spidey is faster, more agile and you can't outgrip a guy who can cling through walls when he decides to battle you for your melee weapon.

Spider-Man is not faster, Hawkman well pre DCNu could go mach speeds, had better senses then Spider-Man, comparable strength, had a healing factor, had better durability, much more skilled in comabt, has weapons that could kill or shut Spider-Man's brain off, could command bird legions, create wind turbines, etc. Hawkman actually has an incredible record beating speedsters so Spider-Man won't be bringing anything he has never dealt with.

Let's not forget Spider-Man has easily been KO'ed by Vulture

Now could Spider-Man win? yeah potentially, but he has to play it smart and no way would he be walking through Hawkman. Really depends on the era of Hawkman and what weapons he is using here

Originally posted by -K-M-
Spider-Man is not faster, Hawkman well pre DCNu could go mach speeds, had better senses then Spider-Man, comparable strength, had a healing factor, had better durability, much more skilled in comabt, has weapons that could kill or shut Spider-Man's brain off, could command bird legions, create wind turbines, etc. Hawkman actually has an incredible record beating speedsters so Spider-Man won't be bringing anything he has never dealt with.

Let's not forget Spider-Man has easily been KO'ed by Vulture

Now could Spider-Man win? yeah potentially, but he has to play it smart and no way would he be walking through Hawkman. Really depends on the era of Hawkman and what weapons he is using here

No Spider-man is definitely faster and more agile as far as battle speed goes unless you are talking about Hawkman travel speed.

Have you seen hawkman dodge a sniper rifle shot? or race and catch bullets? If not then no, he's definitely not faster.

And as far as Spider-man being ko'ed by Vulture, then compare that to how he fare against hits coming from bricks like Hulk then tell me that's his norm. Everyone gets a low showing now and then.

Where does this fight take place ??

Originally posted by -K-M-
Spider-Man is not faster, Hawkman well pre DCNu could go mach speeds, had better senses then Spider-Man, comparable strength, had a healing factor, had better durability, much more skilled in comabt, has weapons that could kill or shut Spider-Man's brain off, could command bird legions, create wind turbines, etc. Hawkman actually has an incredible record beating speedsters so Spider-Man won't be bringing anything he has never dealt with.

Let's not forget Spider-Man has easily been KO'ed by Vulture

Now could Spider-Man win? yeah potentially, but he has to play it smart and no way would he be walking through Hawkman. Really depends on the era of Hawkman and what weapons he is using here Why are you a fan of all the worst comic characters?

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
No Spider-man is definitely faster and more agile as far as battle speed goes unless you are talking about Hawkman travel speed.

Have you seen hawkman dodge a sniper rifle shot? or race and catch bullets? If not then no, he's definitely not faster.

And as far as Spider-man being ko'ed by Vulture, then compare that to how he fare against hits coming from bricks like Hulk then tell me that's his norm. Everyone gets a low showing now and then.

Agile sure, but faster? Definetly not.

Yes actually (shot was coming from behind him too), and yes again. He has even gone lightspeed while toying a spaceship in space. As I said has beaten several big name speedsters, Spider-Man is not going to be faster then him.

Ok, have you seen how Hawkman has dealt with Superman, Black Adam, Despero, Wonder Woman, etc? Hawkman is a battle tested character, while Spider-Man throughout his career has struggled with skilled hand to hand combatents. Even Jigsaw broke his arm fairly easily.

Could Spider-Man do something like this? The answer is no
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-003.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-004.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-005.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-006.jpg
5. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-007.jpg

Originally posted by Mindset
Why are you a fan of all the worst comic characters?

Actually not a huge fan of him, but believed he deserves more respect then he is given.

^ Pretty sure he did that against an army of mindless ones.

But I'm not getting scans.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Actually not a huge fan of him, but believed he deserves more respect then he is given. You love him, shut your face hole, home gurl.

Originally posted by Mindset
^ Pretty sure he did that against an army of mindless ones.

But I'm not getting scans.

Wasn't as big as what Hawkman did (or as good) and Mindless Ones are not what they were.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Agile sure, but faster? Definetly not.

Yes actually (shot was coming from behind him too), and yes again. He has even gone lightspeed while toying a spaceship in space. As I said has beaten several big name speedsters, Spider-Man is not going to be faster then him.

Ok, have you seen how Hawkman has dealt with Superman, Black Adam, Despero, Wonder Woman, etc? Hawkman is a battle tested character, while Spider-Man throughout his career has struggled with skilled hand to hand combatents. Even Jigsaw broke his arm fairly easily.

Could Spider-Man do something like this? The answer is no
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-003.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-004.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-005.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-006.jpg
5. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-007.jpg

Sigh* you obviously haven't heard of fodders. Or special non-standard weaponry.


What shot from behind are you talking about? Where?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Wasn't as big as what Hawkman did (or as good) and Mindless Ones are not what they were. This happened like a decade or more ago.

Mindless ones seemed to do pretty well against MA, anyway.

There were mindless ones covering the entire city.

Originally posted by Mindset
This happened like a decade or more ago.

Mindless ones seemed to do pretty well against MA, anyway.

There were mindless ones covering the entire city.

The Mindless Ones also took out Thor in that particular example IIRC.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Sigh* you obviously haven't heard of fodders. Or special non-standard weaponry.

What shot from behind are you talking about? Where?

and clearly you don't know that race in the DC universe, as what Hawkman did was insane. Thousands of highly skilled shock troppers taken down which caused the Thanagarians such fear they fled.

Hawkman dodges a blast from a Thanagarian rifle from behind him
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-009-22.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-010-01.jpg
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As I said Spider-Man won't be moving faster then what Hawkman can see

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Identity_Crisis_02_Page_04.jpg

Easily swats away bullets
1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Trinity06018.jpg

Hawkman moves so fast no one sees him taking out a crook
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hawkmanv42211pyrate.jpg

Here the Hawks dodge bullets from a sniper
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/BB044-11.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/BB044-12.jpg

Here the two Hawk's dodge moving lazers from the Gordanian Shredders, that if one lazer hits you you will instantly suffer brain death
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-49-010.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-49-011.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-49-012.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-49-013.jpg

Here the duo show once again they can easily evade gunfire
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-37-02.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-37-03.jpg

Here Hawkman and Hawkwoman show their speed dodging bullet fire once again
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/ShadowWarofHawkman01-05.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/ShadowWarofHawkman01-06.jpg

During the Rann/Thanagar War, a hord of Durlan bio-ships attack our heroes but that doesn't stop them. They easily avoid the ships laser fire
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-018.jpg

Fights the speedster Barnoness who with ther speed just ripped through a human
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA_03_04-05.jpg

Outflys a speeding elevator that had it's cables cut and flys out faster than the two vampires who set the trap.
1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/hm-26-05.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/hm-26-06.jpg
3. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/hm-26-07.jpg

The Hawks once again easily avoiding multiple gun-fire
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman_03-23.jpg

Dodging once again multiple gun shots
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman04-08.jpg

etc. What Spider-Man can do so can Hawkman.
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Even without flight, Hawkman has superhuman agility
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-001-15.jpg

Good fight.

Honestly see Carter taking it more often than not, pre-Flashpoint. Can't speak on DCnU.

Originally posted by Mindset
This happened like a decade or more ago.

Mindless ones seemed to do pretty well against MA, anyway.

There were mindless ones covering the entire city.

Yeah this was when they began to go downhill as you couldn't physically hurt them that's what made them so powerful but here they were taken down. Since this event, their nothing but fodder.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah this was when they began to go downhill as you couldn't physically hurt them that's what made them so powerful but here they were taken down. Since this event, their nothing but fodder. They couldn't be physically hurt in that instance, they kept getting up and fighting.

What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Mindset
They couldn't be physically hurt in that instance, they kept getting up and fighting.

What are you talking about?

Yet they were, are you talking about when Spider-Man fought them and Mr.Fantastic manipulated their energies with a machine? I really didn't see anything in the instance I saw that Hawkman couldn't replicate.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yet they were, are you talking about when Spider-Man fought them and Mr.Fantastic manipulated their energies with a machine? I really didn't see anything in the instance I saw that Hawkman couldn't replicate. We aren't looking for a feat HM couldn't replicate, we were looking for a feat similar to the one HM did, and we found it.

Good job, team.

Originally posted by Mindset
Why are you a fan of all the worst comic characters?




Funny cos it's true

Originally posted by Mindset
We aren't looking for a feat HM couldn't replicate, we were looking for a feat similar to the one HM did, and we found it.

Good job, team. |

Actually it wasn't similar in the least, as he didn't beat them (or come close to it) and he also had help. So no.

He could replicate it as it wasn't that special, it wasn't comporable to what I posted.

You have some ok scans there i admit but most of them are generic evasion feats and not dodging.

The sole exception being that taking out the crook that tried to stole stuff from the old couple and batting rubber bullets.

Then....



You seriously passing this off as a dodging feats? For realz?

Originally posted by -K-M-
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Actually it wasn't similar in the least, as he didn't beat them (or come close to it) and he also had help. So no.

He could replicate it as it wasn't that special, it wasn't comporable to what I posted. He took on as many people as HM did.

Mindless ones can't be beaten by physical force.

So again, good job, team.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
You have some ok scans there i admit but most of them are generic evasion feats and not dodging.

The sole exception being that taking out the crook that tried to stole stuff from the old couple and batting rubber bullets.

Then....

You seriously passing this off as a dodging feats? For realz?

Yep, because in the issue he mentions thanks to his enchanced senses he was able to dodge the sniper shot as if he didn't he would have died.

The last scan no, I actually copied and pasted it by accident. I removed it from my original reply.

Oh tagging the barroness feat was impressive

Originally posted by Mindset
He took on as many people as HM did.

Mindless ones can't be beaten by physical force.

So again, good job, team.

No he didn't and once again did he win? Nope. While Hawkman actually won, while Spider-Man was sent into dream land

yeah and? Did Spider-Man fight them all? No. Did he even beat them? No. So how you can compare the two feats is beyond me.

If you're going to be a troll again, stop posting.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yep, because in the issue he mentions thanks to his enchanced senses he was able to dodge the sniper shot as if he didn't he would have died.

The last scan no, I actually copied and pasted it by accident. I removed it from my original reply.

Doesn't look like he dodged at all quite frankly otherwise he wouldn't even be suprised.

Originally posted by -K-M-
No he didn't and once again did he win? Nope. While Hawkman actually won, while Spider-Man was sent into dream land

yeah and? Did Spider-Man fight them all? No. Did he even beat them? No. So how you can compare the two feats is beyond me.

If you're going to be a troll again, stop posting.

Hawkman's weapon wasn't standard for that fight.

If non-standard weaponry were included you'd have spider-man wearing various spider-armors, using instant-freeze pellets and what not.

Originally posted by -K-M-
No he didn't and once again did he win? Nope. While Hawkman actually won, while Spider-Man was sent into dream land

yeah and? Did Spider-Man fight them all? No. Did he even beat them? No. So how you can compare the two feats is beyond me.

If you're going to be a troll again, stop posting. Yes, he fought as many as HM.

Hawkman wouldn't have won either.

Because they are comparable.

Concession accepted.

That's exactly the point. Non-standard weaponry.

Which isn't allowed unless specified.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
That's exactly the point. Non-standard weaponry.

Actually it was, all throughout Brighest Day that was standard equipment for him pretty much right up till Flashpoint.

Originally posted by -K-M-


Once again your acting like Hawkman is slow, he really isn't.

I'm acting like a lot of guys spider -man regularly fights have enhanced speed.

He has also caught rockets, missiles and even falling satellites with his webbing, his aim is superhuman by definition.

Originally posted by -K-M-


Ok prove he fought thousands at once then...you won't be able too.

and?

No their really not
There were more than thousands, too many to number.

And.

Yup, they are.

Originally posted by Mindset
There were more than thousands, too many to number.

And.

Yup, they are.

He was not fighting them all at once, nor did he beat them

Faulty logic is faulty logic. Their not comportable.

Originally posted by Scoobless
I'm acting like a lot of guys spider -man regularly fights have enhanced speed.

He has also caught rockets, missiles and even falling satellites with his webbing, his aim is superhuman by definition.

I get that, but as I mentioned Hawkman has gone lightspeed while toying a spaceship before. The original comment was Spider-Man was much faster then Hawkman and I disagreed. If Spider-Man fights smart he can win as I mentioned earlier too.

Originally posted by -K-M-
He was not fighting them all at once, nor did he beat them

Faulty logic is faulty logic. Their not comportable.



I get that, but as I mentioned Hawkman has gone lightspeed while toying a spaceship before. The original comment was Spider-Man was much faster then Hawkman and I disagreed. If Spider-Man fights smart he can win as I mentioned earlier too. He was only fighting a couple thousand at once, I agree.

Comparable in every sense of the word.

Alright post the scans prove your case then.

Show me these numbers, show me even beating them, show me even doing anything then. To compare you need to show similar numbers, similar abilities, similar combat, and similar outcome. Now go.

Look in his respect thread.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Actually it was, all throughout Brighest Day that was standard equipment for him pretty much right up till Flashpoint.

It's not standard equip sorry but you're reaching now.

Just because he carried it for a few issues post brightest day til flashpoint doesn't make that "standard"

Originally posted by Mindset
Look in his respect thread.

Can't prove your point?

Concession accepted

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
It's not standard equip sorry but you're reaching now.

Just because he carried it for a few issues post brightest day til flashpoint doesn't make that "standard"

Actually he carried it throughout Brightest Day and was intergral to the story. It was standard as he was using it on a frequent basis, is it standard now? No. Does he get it here? Definetly not. As I was saying depending on the era it was standard.

I proved it and showed you were to get the information.

Not my fault you won't look at the evidence.

I accept this win.

Stop being a troll Mindset, I asked you earlier not too. The burden of proof is on you as YOU made the claim, not I.

I told you where to find all the information you need.

Originally posted by Mindset
I told you where to find all the information you need.

That's kinda like writing "use a calculator" as the answer to a question on a math exam.

Show your work dammit.





SM FTW though.

Originally posted by Scoobless
That's kinda like writing "use a calculator" as the answer to a question on a math exam.

Show your work dammit.





SM FTW though.


Iit's like me giving him a math problem and the answer, then telling him to use a calculator to figure out how I got it.

I'm training him.

Alright folks, since Mindset knew he put himself in a corner I will explain what happened in the issue

Amazing Spider-Man #57 (Vol.2)
For those who haven't read it, Spider-Man literally fought maybe 6-10 Mindless Ones at once and literally was defeated in a few seconds time (literally). He would have been killed until Thing saved him. He then fought a few more (3-4) and then left to save a girl and didn't return to the fight again in the issue. No where was he close to fighting thousands of enemies himself nor was he close to beating them.

Amazing Spider-Man #58 (Vol.2)
Once again Spider-Man doesn't fight thousands, he throws a car at 4-5 Mindless Ones when they werent expecting it, he then saved the cilviains, swung over top of the battle going on below, and then when he gets into the battle one Mindless One hits him into Dr.Strange while he is casting the spell sending him into dream land. He then swings some boulders against 3 Mindless Ones, and then with the same boulders swings it around hitting maybe 5-6

Contrary to what Mindset said their not comporable in the least. He didn't fight thousands, he didn't beat any of them, and he nearly died in the first encounter.

Sorry, not what happened.

Once again you're being a troll, that is exactly what happened.

I'm going to have to disagree, friend.

Originally posted by -K-M-
He didn't fight thousands, he didn't beat any of them, and he nearly died in the first encounter.

sounds about the same to me. nice job mindset.

Originally posted by leonidas
sounds about the same to me. nice job mindset. http://x95.xanga.com/e79f616428330275301367/z219422161.gif

What would happen if Spider man webbed up Hawkmans wings? Or his entire frame? If this happened would Hawkman lack the leverage to continue?

Spiderman would combo to ko.

Hawkman and Hawkgirl can fly without their wings due to overexposure to nth metal.

Also there is nth metal in their belts which Hawkgirl used to fly even when she wasnt using her wings.

Hawkman's wings don't actually flap to allow him to fly.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Hawkman and Hawkgirl can fly without their wings due to overexposure to nth metal.

Also there is nth metal in their belts which Hawkgirl used to fly even when she wasnt using her wings.

Hawkman's wings don't actually flap to allow him to fly.


What about if he was fully webbed up? I mean from head to toe.

Originally posted by Stoic
What about if he was fully webbed up? I mean from head to toe.

Then he would have to use one of his many blades to cut himself out, and we know the webbing is weak to blades. He could still float or fly even webbed up though.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Then he would have to use one of his many blades to cut himself out, and we know the webbing is weak to blades. He could still float or fly even webbed up though.

So do you believe that Spider Man has little to no chance of defeating Hawkman? I could see Spider Man webbing him up head to toe, and doing a wrecking ball routine on him. Also how would he be able to reach for anything if his arms were bound and his hands were bound to the point that reaching for a blade was not an option? Those webs are pretty strong, and Hawkman isn't unstoppable.

Oh no Spider-Man can definetly win, but I could see a push (tie) or slight edge to either one depending on the era for the characters. Also Hawkman definetly isn't unstopable, he is just extremely hard to put down especially thanks to his healing factor (ie. instantly healed a slit throat in seconds). Even Black Adam pounding on him didn't stop him.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Oh no Spider-Man can definetly win, but I could see a push (tie) or slight edge to either one depending on the era for the characters. Also Hawkman definetly isn't unstopable, he is just extremely hard to put down especially thanks to his healing factor (ie. instantly healed a slit throat in seconds). Even Black Adam pounding on him didn't stop him.

OK because in that respect we're on the same page. I could see this going either way. I favor Spidey a bit more but whatever.

I'm with KM here....very close fight, but 6/10 to Hawkman.

I'd have to say spiderman. IMO you have to very clearly have spider-man outgunned to get a majority from him. I'd give any kind of close matchup to him. He's just too smart, too good.

Spider-man wins via webbing and being faster.

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Originally posted by -K-M-
instantly healed a slit throat in seconds

I think your dictionary and my dictionary have different definitions of "instantly"

Originally posted by -K-M-
Agile sure, but faster? Definetly not.

Yes actually (shot was coming from behind him too), and yes again. He has even gone lightspeed while toying a spaceship in space. As I said has beaten several big name speedsters, Spider-Man is not going to be faster then him.

Ok, have you seen how Hawkman has dealt with Superman, Black Adam, Despero, Wonder Woman, etc? Hawkman is a battle tested character, while Spider-Man throughout his career has struggled with skilled hand to hand combatents. Even Jigsaw broke his arm fairly easily.

Could Spider-Man do something like this? The answer is no
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-003.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-004.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-005.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-006.jpg
5. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-007.jpg Those are great feats and im glad youre working to give Hawkman the respect he deserves but there's no need to lowball his opponent. Jigsaw? Not a battle tested character?
Jigsaw never broke Spider-man's arm during a fight. Also it was later confirmed that it wasnt supposed to be Jigsaw at all but a villain with super strength, artists mistake. Makes sense concidering Spider-man oneshotted the actual Jigsaw several issues later. And even if that was Jigsaw dont you think that should be disregarded as PIS? Looking at all the times Spider-man supported building, lifted cars, cought falling helicopters etc but gets his hand snapped by a human?
As for battles.. Superman, Ww is great but do I really have to make the list of characters Spider-man fought and bested? As for skilled opponents You know as well as i do that Spider-man suffers from CIS a lot. And those same skilled fighter he normally struggles against get either oneshotted or humiliated the second the kid gloves are off. That goes for Kingpin, Bullseye, Taskmaster, Daredevil etc etc etc Even before Spider-man recieved his training he was easilly capable of holding his own against skilled fighters even the one with comparable physical stats. Heck Spider-man while holding back danced around an amped blood lusted Shang Chi. Who on top of all his skills also had superhuman strength and speed and was going for the kill.
That said, im not educated enough on HM so undesided on this fight but give all the characters the respect their due, not just the ones youre arguing for.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm with KM here....very close fight, but 6/10 to Hawkman.

I can see this going either way, really.

As mentioned earlier the Hawks can create powerful wind blasts too

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/BB044-07.jpg

2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman04-04.jpg

3a. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/BB044-03.jpg
3b. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/BB044-04.jpg


Here's Kendra mentally controlling her wings without her using them
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkgirl058-p05.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkgirl058-p06.jpg

Originally posted by Scoobless
I think your dictionary and my dictionary have different definitions of "instantly"




hmmm?

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-21-09.jpg

Originally posted by SamZED
Those are great feats and im glad youre working to give Hawkman the respect he deserves but there's no need to lowball his opponent. Jigsaw? Not a battle tested character?
Jigsaw never broke Spider-man's arm during a fight. Also it was later confirmed that it wasnt supposed to be Jigsaw at all but a villain with super strength, artists mistake. Makes sense concidering Spider-man oneshotted the actual Jigsaw several issues later. And even if that was Jigsaw dont you think that should be disregarded as PIS? Looking at all the times Spider-man supported building, lifted cars, cought falling helicopters etc but gets his hand snapped by a human?


and you missed the point, Jigsaw is battle tested and that's why he won which goes back to my point against skilled hand to hand compatents Spider-Man doesn't do great against. Jigsaw also don't have thousands of years experience like Hawman does either.

Jigsaw DID break his arm, the rest is them trying to backpedal as they had huge negative comments over it.

Originally posted by -K-M-
As mentioned earlier the Hawks can create powerful wind blasts too

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/BB044-07.jpg

2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman04-04.jpg

3a. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/BB044-03.jpg
3b. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/BB044-04.jpg


Here's Kendra mentally controlling her wings without her using them
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkgirl058-p05.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkgirl058-p06.jpg



hmmm?

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-21-09.jpg



and you missed the point, Jigsaw is battle tested and that's why he won which goes back to my point against skilled hand to hand compatents Spider-Man doesn't do great against. Jigsaw also don't have thousands of years experience like Hawman does either.

Jigsaw DID break his arm, the rest is them trying to backpedal as they had huge negative comments over it. I didnt miss your point, I disagreed with it for several reasons. Here are my points.
1) Spider-man effortlessly oneshotted Jigsaw several issues later so Jigsaw is a terrible example.
2) Even if we ignore what writers said and accept the crazy idea that an ordinary peak human succeeded where hundreds of superhumans failed... it still doesnt help prove a point... because when this so called "Jigsaw" broke Spider-man's arm they werent fighting. He didnt "win". And so it doesnt help prove a point anout skilled h2h combatants.
And 3) if we're gonna use this example as an average showing for Spider-man's durability we might as well accept Hulk getting beaten by a snake, Surfer getting armbarred by BP and Superman getting koed by an exploding gas station. Lowballing is what it is.

Thousand years of fighting experience rarely mean anything in comicbooks and are often overshadowed by several years of MA training. And vise versa depending on the character. Key point -
4) Spider-man already has humiliated Kingpin, Batroc, oneshotted DD, Bullseye, Taskmaster and many many other experienced battle tested h2h combatants. All it took him - CIS off.
So the idea that he will fail here because he "doesn't do good" against experienced fighters is moot. And what's "battle tested" anyway? How's Jigsaw battle tested while Spider-man who fought in several wars, defeated gazillion opponents half of whom were superhumans.. Is not battle tested? That's the only thing i dont get.

Originally posted by SamZED
I didnt miss your point, I disagreed with it for several reasons. Here are my points.
1) Spider-man effortlessly oneshotted Jigsaw several issues later so Jigsaw is a terrible example.
2) Even if we ignore what writers said and accept the crazy idea that an ordinary peak human succeeded where hundreds of superhumans failed... it still doesnt help prove a point... because when this so called "Jigsaw" broke Spider-man's arm they werent fighting. He didnt "win". And so it doesnt help prove a point anout skilled h2h combatants.
And 3) if we're gonna use this example as an average showing for Spider-man's durability we might as well accept Hulk getting beaten by a snake, Surfer getting armbarred by BP and Superman getting koed by an exploding gas station. Lowballing is what it is.

Thousand years of fighting experience rarely mean anything in comicbooks and are often overshadowed by several years of MA training. And vise versa depending on the character. Key point -
4) Spider-man already has humiliated Kingpin, Batroc, oneshotted DD, Bullseye, Taskmaster and many many other experienced battle tested h2h combatants. All it took him - CIS off.
So the idea that he will fail here because he "doesn't do good" against experienced fighters is moot. And what's "battle tested" anyway? How's Jigsaw battle tested while Spider-man who fought in several wars, defeated gazillion opponents half of whom were superhumans.. Is not battle tested? That's the only thing i dont get.

1. Not really as Jigsaw still broke his arm
2. No he didn't win, but Hawkman with superior strength, abilities and fighting skill and abilities is it farfetched to believe Hawkman couldn't replicate it? Definetly not. Spider-Man has been ko'ed by regular strength people FYI
3. Very true, but as I said against skilled fighters Spider-Man struggled with. Until the prison fight, Kingpin has had his number (If you go by averages which we say Spider-Man has a worse track record then good against him), Captain America has beat him, Daredevil-Black Panther-Tarantula/Black Tarantula-Punisher-Moon Knight, etc have gotten the better of him. Actually when did he one-shot DD? I've never seen this and curious to see it.

Battle tested is going for the kill, experienced in combat, and experienced in hand to hand skill. Which Spider-Man is not. He is a hero, but his wars are nothing what Hawkman has been put through and if you are trying to compare them..... don't. Hawkman will throw a blade at your head and not care about the outcome, SPider-Man is not that cruel.

EDIT: Just saw now your discrediting Hawkman's experience (which he was trained in MA, as well as many other fighting styles)? Yeah were done here

Hawkman 9+/10.

Really don't think it's that close. HM has a vastly superior offense, and his standard weaponry is more than capable of dealing with webbing. It's well within his capabilities to tag Spiderman, and when he connects with his mace it's basically game over. He pretty much has every advantage.

IMO isn't not really very close at all

People aren't giving Carter any credit because, for the most part, his character sucks and he's unpopular.

Originally posted by -K-M-
1. Not really as Jigsaw still broke his arm
2. No he didn't win, but Hawkman with superior strength, abilities and fighting skill and abilities is it farfetched to believe Hawkman couldn't replicate it? Definetly not. Spider-Man has been ko'ed by regular strength people FYI
3. Very true, but as I said against skilled fighters Spider-Man struggled with. Until the prison fight, Kingpin has had his number (If you go by averages which we say Spider-Man has a worse track record then good against him), Captain America has beat him, Daredevil-Black Panther-Tarantula/Black Tarantula-Punisher-Moon Knight, etc have gotten the better of him. Actually when did he one-shot DD? I've never seen this and curious to see it.

Battle tested is going for the kill, experienced in combat, and experienced in hand to hand skill. Which Spider-Man is not. He is a hero, but his wars are nothing what Hawkman has been put through and if you are trying to compare them..... don't. Hawkman will throw a blade at your head and not care about the outcome, SPider-Man is not that cruel.

1) Key point - not during a fight.. so it still has nothing to do with how Spider-man does against skilled combatants. While Spider-man oneshotted him in 1 on 1 confrontation. So yes bad example.
2) You're basing this entire argument on the idea that Jigsaw/Spider-man incident is an average display of Spider-man's durabilty while its not. If it really was Jigsaw then its PIS. Anyway you look at it really. Jigsaw doesnt have the strength to pull that off. Spider-man's bones withstand tons of weight as well as class 20-50 punches on daily basis. Sometimes gets hurt by less yes, but taking steelshattering punches like they're nothing.. IS his average. You cant apply this "Jigsaw" showing on a vs forum like its a norm for him.
3) Yes and as I pointed out CIS was involved in 95% of the examples you mentioned. Almost always is with Spider-man, he even holds back when he fight Green Goblin, let alone Captain America whom he basically worships. Spider-man has beaten Kingpin before but he struggled with him. Reason? CIS. The prison fight is not an exception of the rule, its just an example of what happens when Spider-man stops @$&"*^ around. And even then he was still holding back. So again, it doesnt change anything for the vs forum where characters fight in character But still at their best. So far it seems you're taking absolute worst showings of Spider-man and assume thats the average he will display in a PIS free CIS free all out vs forum battle.
4) Out of all the qualities you listed.. The only thing thats keeping Spider-man from entering your "battle tested" list.. is the lack of killer instinct. Because Spider-man IS very experienced in combat, he IS very experienced in h2h (in fact he WAS experienced EVEN before all the training he recently recieved, now he's just a beast) and if you think he's not you need a serious update. Im not trying to compare them, I already admitted im not that educated on HM. But I AM very good at Spider-math. And i can tell when he's being understimated or outright lowballed. And thats what im seeing here. I could start listing countless feats like taking class 100 combos and getting back up, knocking out class 100 bricks, punching THROUGH Iron Man's armor, shattering pavement in a 20foot raidus with a mere SHOCKWAVE FROM his punch, speedblitzing multiple superhumanly fast characters, outreacting speedsters and teleporters, jumping through moving rotors of a helicopters while carrying someone, dodging sniper bullet after its fired, dodging lightnings, outracing bullets, dodging machinegunfire from several hundred people while crrying someone all in closed space with little place to maneuver, taking down hundreds of opponents while holding back or fighting for several days non-stop etc etc etc but I dont see the point.. BECAUSE at the end of the day im still going to have to take your word, if you say HM's is better then so be it. Im perfeclty fine with it. But I wont be able to believe it if I see that in order to make an argument for HM.. you have to lowball Spider-man. And thats whats happening.

PS typing from my cell so cant post the DD scan right now, sorry.

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/3569/jigsawisjustbetter.jpg

Dont make me post the scans Stilt. You know which ones.

I'm actually impressed you typed all that on your phone. I have tried to reply with my cell and get maybe 2-3 sentences.

Lol its a pain in the ass but im sick so lots of free time lol

Originally posted by SamZED
Dont make me post the scans Stilt. You know which ones.

I'm not afraid, you're typing from your cell.

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/3746/82104798.jpg

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7065/30655550.jpg

The punchline:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8609/newavengers21rh9.th.jpg

http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/trollleep1.gif

Originally posted by Cogito
Hawkman 9+/10.

Really don't think it's that close. HM has a vastly superior offense, and his standard weaponry is more than capable of dealing with webbing. It's well within his capabilities to tag Spiderman, and when he connects with his mace it's basically game over. He pretty much has every advantage.

IMO isn't not really very close at all

People aren't giving Carter any credit because, for the most part, his character sucks and he's unpopular.

I pretty much hate all winged characters, but Hawkman is the exception.

(claps his hands)

Well done...

A decades old, forgotten comic and a comic with a mistake in it.

Really, well done.

http://i47.tinypic.com/xars3o.png

Seen worse spidey showings. The enforcers pretty much did it early on. So has the russian, etc.

Is the jigsaw thing that keeps coming up the raft incident from Avengers? Wasn't even sure who that guy was until you guys brought him up here.

The jigsaw thing was actually supposed to be the wrecker breaking spiderman's arm, if the artist did his job correctly there'd be nothing strange about that. I remember reading the graphic novel of that with the raft archives at the back of the book and being surprised that in the same book they had jigsaw ranked at human level strength. If anyone wants to count that as actually jigsaw, how can it be used here if it's indisputably PIS?

Originally posted by JayDaDon
The jigsaw thing was actually supposed to be the wrecker breaking spiderman's arm, if the artist did his job correctly there'd be nothing strange about that. I remember reading the graphic novel of that with the raft archives at the back of the book and being surprised that in the same book they had jigsaw ranked at human level strength. If anyone wants to count that as actually jigsaw, how can it be used here if it's indisputably PIS?

Wrecker? I thought it was supposed to be Piledriver.

Anyway, rumours are rumours... what happened on panel counts. None of the Wrecking Crew have a disfigured face, so it's kinda hard to confuse them with Jigsaw.

Pretty sure it was bendis who said it was supposed to be written as wrecker or another member of the wrecking crew. Could be wrong but that's how I remember it. Can't blame the artist too much, they had ALOT of d-listers to draw in that story, so it may have been hard to keep track. Again even so, PIS.

Originally posted by SamZED
3) Yes and as I pointed out CIS was involved in 95% of the examples you mentioned. Almost always is with Spider-man, he even holds back when he fight Green Goblin, let alone Captain America whom he basically worships. Spider-man has beaten Kingpin before but he struggled with him. Reason? CIS. The prison fight is not an exception of the rule, its just an example of what happens when Spider-man stops @$&"*^ around. And even then he was still holding back. So again, it doesnt change anything for the vs forum where characters fight in character But still at their best. So far it seems you're taking absolute worst showings of Spider-man and assume thats the average he will display in a PIS free CIS free all out vs forum battle.

I thought CIS was still on? So yeah, fighting to the best of their ability, but as you said, CIS is a big factor as to why he loses....

^ that really would depend on what they fought about, and what was attached to the loss or victory. Let's say that he thought that Hawkman was threatening his Aunt May, then he'd be pulling out the multiple building wrecka's on his Osiris looking ass.

Just because he normally holds back when he doesn't know his enemy's powerlevel doesn't mean he will just let someone walk all over him when he knows he has to take a fight seriously. Besides his spider-sense would go a long way in letting him know not to play around with Hawkman.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Just because he normally holds back when he doesn't know his enemy's powerlevel doesn't mean he will just let someone walk all over him when he knows he has to take a fight seriously. Besides his spider-sense would go a long way in letting him know not to play around with Hawkman.
Yeah, but the thing is, when Spider-Man takes off the kid gloves, he's on another level. It's a rare thing however, but still.

Spider-Man 6/10.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I pretty much hate all winged characters... Is this because of the wings, or that they're badly done characters?

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Anyways, I see this as a circumstance determined outcome.
Personally, I'd give it to Spidey.

Originally posted by Mindship
Is this because of the wings, or that they're badly done characters?

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Anyways, I see this as a circumstance determined outcome.
Personally, I'd give it to Spidey.

Just not into them. DCnU Hawkman wins.

Spidey wins without much difficulty

No, he doesn't. Hawkman was fighting off Shaggy Man, while losing a lot of blood. His symboiote will protect him from pretty much everything Spidey throws at him.

Spidey wins.

Hawkman

Hawkman

Originally posted by Zack M
No, he doesn't. Hawkman was fighting off Shaggy Man, while losing a lot of blood. His symboiote will protect him from pretty much everything Spidey throws at him.

No it won't. It won't project him from getting punched in the face.
I take feats where someone has taken hits from someone else with a grain of salt. This is because Spider-Man, Batman, CA, etc. has taken hits from heavy hitters.

Hawkman wouldn't be able to hit Spidey. Also Spidey would see him moving in slow motion. Webbing would be a problem. Hawkman is under class 10 so he wouldn't be able to break free of webbing. Once webbed up good the fight is over.

Originally posted by h1a8
No it won't. It won't project him from getting punched in the face.
I take feats where someone has taken hits from someone else with a grain of salt. This is because Spider-Man, Batman, CA, etc. has taken hits from heavy hitters.

Hawkman wouldn't be able to hit Spidey. Also Spidey would see him moving in slow motion. Webbing would be a problem. Hawkman is under class 10 so he wouldn't be able to break free of webbing. Once webbed up good the fight is over.

Hawkman has enhanced vision and reflexes and routinely tags speedsters. He also has a healing factor that healed his arm that was cut off in minutes

Medusa has broken free of Spider-Man's webbing

Originally posted by h1a8
No it won't. It won't project him from getting punched in the face.
I take feats where someone has taken hits from someone else with a grain of salt. This is because Spider-Man, Batman, CA, etc. has taken hits from heavy hitters.

Hawkman wouldn't be able to hit Spidey. Also Spidey would see him moving in slow motion. Webbing would be a problem. Hawkman is under class 10 so he wouldn't be able to break free of webbing. Once webbed up good the fight is over.

Yes, it will. That's what Nth metal does!
http://i66.tinypic.com/2ba1bt.jpg

Hawkman has also taken down beings far stronger than Spider-Man. Owns Blockbuster and punches him into orbit.

http://i67.tinypic.com/2s17guf.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/jfhpax.jpg

Was that orbit, or just really high and far though?
Still super impressive either way.

Originally posted by Zack M
Yes, it will. That's what Nth metal does!
http://i66.tinypic.com/2ba1bt.jpg

Hawkman has also taken down beings far stronger than Spider-Man. Owns Blockbuster and punches him into orbit.

http://i67.tinypic.com/2s17guf.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/jfhpax.jpg

OK so the armor would probably protect his face.
I still don't think he's above class 10 (which is required to break free from webbing). So Spidey webs him FTW.

Once Spidey stops playing with him, he webs Hawkmans wings together and overloads the nth metal healing properties.

Originally posted by Zack M
Yes, it will. That's what Nth metal does!
http://i66.tinypic.com/2ba1bt.jpg

Hawkman has also taken down beings far stronger than Spider-Man. Owns Blockbuster and punches him into orbit.

http://i67.tinypic.com/2s17guf.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/jfhpax.jpg


Orbit? GTFOH.

Originally posted by Juntai
Was that orbit, or just really high and far though?
Still super impressive either way.


One is far more impressive than the other.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Once Spidey stops playing with him, he webs Hawkmans wings together and overloads the nth metal healing properties.

I don't know if that's an orbit hit or an exaggeration, but Hawkman is definitely > Class 10.

In that special red&gold battle mode, yes.

Much weaker at base.

Originally posted by Mainstream
hmmmmm...Hawkman his ability to fly and superior fighting skill should give him a slight edge.





Oh no, it's not like Spidey is comfortable in the air or has rogues that fly or can fight or anything.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
In that special red&gold battle mode, yes.

Much weaker at base.

And at base, he was able to slash out of steel cabling, and pull the guy towards him.

What people aren't really getting, is that his weaponry is shapeshifting. So web him up, and his armour/wings/mace would just become blades and slice him out of there.

Hawkman wins

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And at base, he was able to slash out of steel cabling, and pull the guy towards him.

What people aren't really getting, is that his weaponry is shapeshifting. So web him up, and his armour/wings/mace would just become blades and slice him out of there.

Wut?

Originally posted by Cogito
I don't know if that's an orbit hit or an exaggeration, but Hawkman is definitely > Class 10. No he's not. Just like Spider-Man has many class 50 and above feats we assume he's class 15 at the most on the forums. If we take Spider-Man's highest feat then he would be a several hundred tonner. And that's enough strength to knock dude further than what Hawkman did.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And at base, he was able to slash out of steel cabling, and pull the guy towards him.

What people aren't really getting, is that his weaponry is shapeshifting. So web him up, and his armour/wings/mace would just become blades and slice him out of there. Seriously? Do you have any scans explaining or showing this?

Originally posted by h1a8
Seriously? Do you have any scans explaining or showing this?

Sure thang.

So first, examples of it being all drippy and liquidy (think T-1000 from the Terminator films):

http://i.imgur.com/L1L5ujR.png
http://i.imgur.com/NIfPOqi.png

You have already seen the scan of it reacting to a bullet, even when Carter himself does not know it:
http://i.imgur.com/Ypw4dg4.png

His mace shapeshifting into an axe, precisely to cut through cables:
http://i.imgur.com/x5u6xHn.png

So, in summary:

1. The Nth metal reacts without Carter needing to command it
2. It will instinctively protect him
3. It can change configuration mid battle

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sure thang.

So first, examples of it being all drippy and liquidy (think T-1000 from the Terminator films):

http://i.imgur.com/L1L5ujR.png
http://i.imgur.com/NIfPOqi.png

You have already seen the scan of it reacting to a bullet, even when Carter himself does not know it:
http://i.imgur.com/Ypw4dg4.png

His mace shapeshifting into an axe, precisely to cut through cables:
http://i.imgur.com/x5u6xHn.png

So, in summary:

1. The Nth metal reacts without Carter needing to command it
2. It will instinctively protect him
3. It can change configuration mid battle

If it does this all the time, why does not one here know about it?

A lot know, this has been the new power set of new52 Hawkman since the start.

One of his very first appearances, when he didn't know what he really was (note the words in the third panel at the top - 'the nth metal is an extension of my being. When I'm threatened or in danger, it manifests itself into a powerful armour equipped with wings and handheld morphing weapons'...:

https://pp.vk.me/c628127/v628127239/e258/XYdd_yF52vE.jpg


Again, the morphy goodness (his mace turning into an axe):
https://pp.vk.me/c628127/v628127239/e28a/iuX262YvisM.jpg

Bonus shot of the armour reacting to bullets again:
https://pp.vk.me/c628127/v628127239/df6b/kNbGiRy8COU.jpg

And other things it can shift into:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3211235-savagehawkman_18_thegroup-015.jpg