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Who would win between the Exile and Revan? Now before everyone assumes Revan would win, remember that he was mostly a battleship commander, he did not do much hand to hand fighting, the Exile was a General and fought in several battles. Yes it is true that Revan beat Darth Bandon and Darth Malak, but I think that if the Jedi hadn't taken him captive and Malak challenged him, Malak would have won. The Exile on the other hand faced down 4 powerful Jedi Masters, if you went dark, (Atris, Kavar, the one with the weird name on Nar Shadda and Dorak), none of those Jedi were weak, he also faced down 3 powerful Sith Lords, Kreia (Darth Traya), Darth Sion and Darth Nilihus. The Exile also fought several times on his own, Revan almost always had 2 others with him. Now this does not mean I hate Revan and think he is weak, I really like the guy, but I was just pointing some stuff out that people seem to miss. Please give reason for your answers and if you want brake it up into different categories, force strength, tactics, lightsaber skills etc. Please respond.

There's already a thread with the same thing in it.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t327414.html

who cares. i would go with revan b/c arfter all he was a sith lord who owned Darth Malak!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it would be wise to consider just one little tiny detail...

If Malak could have defeated his master in combat, why did he have to fire at his master's bridge during an intense space battle to usurp power? Uh, cuz he's afraid of his old master. That's why. Malak was quite hardcore in his own right, but Revan faced off against the Jedi boarding party with supreme confidence, even choking one to death before Bastila and the others. I am certain he was more than capable as a fighter.

Another thing I found out recently, since I actually convinced the old hag to divulge some info on Revan in KOTOR II...

Kreia sees two different things- in the Exile, she says she sees a wound in the Force... likea blackhole, eating away at such; in Revan, she said it was like looking into the Force. The esteem and power with which she credits the old Sith Lord makes him out to be much more of a badass than we could have ever made him in the game.

ok , here, we , go ,
kreia , said what do you see, to the exile and she said , she saw death , emptyness, and what she said she saw in revan , it was power,

both were leaders,
both were trained by kreia,
both were sith lords, if you finished it evil
but here is the thing

revan was one to seek knowledge ,he went out to the outer rim to find the true sith , if revan found the true sith then what is it he could have learned? vary good question

but revan was not fully trained by kreia ,because there was much he could have learned from her and she was the one who made the greates sith lords of all time, she was a teacher , and revan never killed kreia, that is a question that makes me wonder why, but its probly somthing i got a answer too , revan did not fully fall to the dark side,
makeing revan not the strongest

now lets talk about the exile, she , thats right im saying that it was a she,
she was able to cut herself tottly off from the force, that is somthing no force user has ever been able to do, makeing her the most powerfull force user of all time

but there was a lot she had to go and do , in order to reconect to the force, not to mention she could grow bonds between people and infulince there thoughts their actions and their feelings

maybe what revan wanted to know is how to do what the exile could do ,and had to go to the outer rims to find that info to his advantage

maybe the true treat was the exile and sion,kreia , the jedi masters,and nihilus , and revan knew it

that being said , hwo do they both would do vs each other ?

exile hands down

why

she learned everything from kreia, the jedi masters, and still came out on top

revan on the other hand was a stratgist
was able to plan ahead, and lead, but not take much abuse, like the exile was able to do

I hardly think Kreia's teachings were enough to make a general that was subservient to Revan and Malak come out on top. After all, Revan was a strategist first off, and strategy can overcome ability most any time. Watch Obi and Anakin. That's support of my claim -right there-. Secondly, Revan was amazingly powerful. He cowed Malak, turned hordes of Jedi and slayed others. He was able to withstand the dark forces of Malachor V without succumbing to it. The Exile was shut off from the Force due to his own inability to cope with the events there, but Revan survived and thrived. It took what? Something like a year for the Jedi Council to mindwipe the guy. He's a legend in his own time, and the Exile, while competent and certainly badass, was no Revan.

Revan. According to Kreia, he was obessesed with Jedi/Sith fighting techniques and knowledge of the force. His studies ended up making him one of the most powerful Force users ever. Exile would get dominated.

Good point. Revan was noted as being insatiable in his lust for knowledge.

ya good point, Revan did thirst for knowledge, and I had forgotten about Kreia saying that Revan was power. But I still think that if Malak had challenged Revan before the jedi got to him that Malak would have won. Revan had a hard time beating him on the Star Forge and that was when he was lv 20, just guessing, but I think that Revan when the jedi came was around lv 17-18. Sure he faced off against the boarding party with confidence, but those jedi were not the best, Bastila is just good at guiding troops with her battle meditation. So I would say that Malak would have won, oh well doesn't matter. But Revan I think would have relied to much on the force in a duel, his incredlible power would have caused him to put too much faith in it. Since the exile is a hole in the force, force things might not work as well and Revan would be thrown off by that. No I say that the Exile would win, but it would be close.
Oh and about the stratigist always winning, good point, but the Exile lead battles to, the battle on Dxun is one example. So both Revan and the Exile were stratigists, now I'm not saying that the Exile is anywhere near Revan, he's not, but he's not shabby either.

Well, I wouldn't pin too much of your opinion on game mechanics. They kinda -have- to make Malak difficult, or people would gripe and moan.

I've said it before, but i will say it again. Revan became a Sith on Malachor V because it's an ancient planet sized sith storehouse of knowledge. Revan learned everything he could about the tombs, relics, artifacts, etc. and then 2 years later he lost his memories. 1 year after that with relatively little jedi training, Revan was even more powerful than he was during his first reign (right before he killed Malak.) Then in KOTOR 2, the Sith holocron shows Bastila saying that Revan's full memories returned after that, so all of his knowledge of the Sith and Malachor V would be back, greatly enhancing his power.

Like they said, when Kreia looked into Revan (before he even went to Malachor V) she said he was power, like looking into the heart of the Force. Kreia said she saw the death of the Force in the Exile.

And with the whole Malak thing, Malak is not at all hard for me. I can easily defeat him without using any stimulants or Force Powers (aside from killing the encased jedi) and I am a Sentinel. If I use stimulants and Force powers I can kill Malak and only lose about a tenth of my life.

The Exile versus Kreia, is a different story. The average Exile is about level 25 at the end of the game and it is pretty difficult to kill Kreia, even though she is stronger than Malak. Kreia is far harder to kill for the Exile than Malak was for Revan and Revan wasn't even a Sith Lord and didn't have as good of items.

Also it took the combined power of the jedi council to wipe Revan's memories away and that wasn't even permanent. Against the Exile, it takes just 3 jedi Masters to paralyze him and strip away his power even against his will (on light side)

In conclusion, are both really powerful? Yes. Who would win? Revan would win with relative ease most likely but then again, Revan could compete with Yoda so that's not saying the Exile is a wimp, because he's far from it. He's just no Darth Revan.

It was mcuh easier for me to kill Kria with the Exile than it was for any of the revans I played with. (paraphrasing) Kreia Said she saw the heart of the force in Revan And the death of the force in The Exile. So one can assume that means the exiles power can end the force. Also the Exile could manipulate people without even trying. He was able to live without the force something Qui-gon said was impossible and when he felt he was ready use the force. He was also a Jedi master at the end of the game. True Revan was a great strategist but in a classic Jedi duel only two things matter knowledge of the force and skills with a lightsaber. The Exile knowledge of the force was far superior to Revans for the simple fact that he knew he could live without it. Revan had to go off and study the ways of the sith to become more powerful. With every death the exile was able to better understand the force. And instaed of using the force Like all other jedi do he was able to controll it and end it and still go on. Which is strange because if life can not exist witout the force then how did the exile live? Revan was good but he was no EXILE.

ok, exile didnt regain any force, in light side, the masters tell u, that they still feel the emptyness they felt when he was trialed. he only borrowed the force when he bonded with kreia.

next. Revan have learned from a huge amount of masters. he sought them to learn their techiques, to get hold of their knowledge. Then, he assembled the knowledge of Malachor and Korriban. then, after memory wipe, he again gained knowledge of yet more masters. finally he left to seek out the true sith, and if he found them, well then he is pretty much the most educated sith by belief(not the race like Ragnos and Sadow were)

saber skills? well, lets see. he beat Juhani when he was still padawan, he owned Bindo and juhani later on dark or Bastila on light.
he proceeded to the star forge, where he killed.....well.....ALL of the dark jedi/apprentices/masters, battle droids/turrets and troopers. he killed bandon and malak, which cant be easy(dont refer to the game, use some logic to understand how powerfull they were), and i dont really believe jedi would be stupid enough to send some padawans as the boarding party to capture 2 SITH LORDS. im sure powerfull masters were sent.

the exile on the other hand....well his greatest achievement was killing those dark jedi and 2 sith lords on Malachor V. that just cant compare to revan.

i believe revans knowledge of the force and lightsaber skills are exceeded by 5 sith lords: Ragnos, Sadow, Hord, Pall, Kreshh (in the power/skill order)

That's not the Exile. That's the KOTOR hero.

Revan.

dude revan totally he could flick Exile and he would die lol

Indeed.

Well, there's the expert's opinion, complete with facts.

If only Kotor II would have been finished then this discussion wouldn't even be going on..


Anyways Revan wins this one easily, he is more powerful. He has done more impressive things, and no he didn't kill Kreia he did hold her leash however. The Exile (if the game would have been finished) only had one purpose, to kill Nihilus. That he manages to kill Kreia was of no matter seeing as Revan would show up and beat the crap out of him and Kreia, or the Exile and his friends (minus Mandalore, HK-47 and T3 of course) depending on whether you were light or dark.

All in all the Exile stands no chance, he doesn't have the knowledge Revan has, he doesn't have the power Revan has, he doesn't have the skill Revan has. He would die

Originally posted by Naga Sadow
ok, exile didnt regain any force, in light side, the masters tell u, that they still feel the emptyness they felt when he was trialed. he only borrowed the force when he bonded with kreia.

next. Revan have learned from a huge amount of masters. he sought them to learn their techiques, to get hold of their knowledge. Then, he assembled the knowledge of Malachor and Korriban. then, after memory wipe, he again gained knowledge of yet more masters. finally he left to seek out the true sith, and if he found them, well then he is pretty much the most educated sith by belief(not the race like Ragnos and Sadow were)

saber skills? well, lets see. he beat Juhani when he was still padawan, he owned Bindo and juhani later on dark or Bastila on light.
he proceeded to the star forge, where he killed.....well.....ALL of the dark jedi/apprentices/masters, battle droids/turrets and troopers. he killed bandon and malak, which cant be easy(dont refer to the game, use some logic to understand how powerfull they were), and i dont really believe jedi would be stupid enough to send some padawans as the boarding party to capture 2 SITH LORDS. im sure powerfull masters were sent.

the exile on the other hand....well his greatest achievement was killing those dark jedi and 2 sith lords on Malachor V. that just cant compare to revan.

i believe revans knowledge of the force and lightsaber skills are exceeded by 5 sith lords: Ragnos, Sadow, Hord, Pall, Kreshh (in the power/skill order) DUDE the exile if dark killed three Jedi masters DS and three Sith lords. revan killed Bandon (big whoop) and MALAK who I admit was an *ss kicker but still is not three sith lords. plus that robot sequence on the star forge was the weakest thing. With the way MALAK was hyping the "true power of the star forge up" I expected something like the terminator with the strenght of the incredible hulk, superman and batman rolled into one with a flame thrower and would go to work on me with a chainsaw and I got that crap. With that whole he beat Juhani that girl was just a pup, well a kitten. She had just got out of training she really didn't have the skills to go up against revan not even a revan with amnesia for LS. And at the end on that forgotten planet of course revan was much stronger than she was and more powerful than Jolee Bindo but still revan had Bastilla helping her DS. and Bindo willfully folowed revan she didn't own him. As the exile I beat Visas alone and she was worthy of being Nihilus' pupil she was much stronger than when you first beat Juhani. Visas was so powerful she beat enemies with her eyes closed J.K. With Revan beating Bastilla (and I'm using logic not the game) She was frightened and weak. Listen to the way she speaks to revan she tries to mask her fear. Bastilla was truly a weak character and was only lucky enough to catch Revan because Malak shot at revan ship knocking her unconcous and Bastilla was awake. Revan was able to convince people to see her ways and be good or bad. The exile was able to completely alter them without even trying. The poor guy didn't even know he could do that. And the exile did get his powers back or else he would have died with kreia at Malachor V and I don't remember them actually breaking that force bond. Sure Revan could have killed Kreia but I don't speak in could haves. The Exile was a true enigma that Revan wouldn't be able to understand (Maybe with some intense Study).

You DO realize that in KOTOR, Revan was limited by a memory wipe and game mechanics, which were horribly primitive to KOTOR II? And there weren't three Sith lords to kill in the first game...

Visas lost deliberately to the Exile, btw. Thought that was obvious. And lastly, you say you don't speak in could haves...

All teh while saying Exile could pwn Revan.

Here, somebody has something to say to you...

One of those robots was more then powerful enough to kill a Jedi Master.. Revan faced dozens at once.

About Visas being powerful, thats crap.. She wasn't, she was the apprentice because she was blind and saw through the force. she could see things that others could not. Nihilus did not need a powerful apprentice, he needed one that could help him with stuff that he could not do himself. See.

About the Exile getting his power back, yes he got it back when he picked up Nihilus his mask... Which brings me to the following point...

Kotor II if finished would have been something like this

intro: Revan walks up to kreia "Go find a way to kill Nihilus" "okay"

game happends

Exile kills Nihilus and follows Kreia to Malachor, where he either kills her or works with her to kill his friends. Either way after that Revan shows up and beats the crap out of you.

Remember that cave on Korriban, that one shows the story as it was supposed to be, the only difference is though that Revan there isn't immortal. Every opponent you face in that cave except the real one's can be killed in one strike. Revan however needs more then one, Revan was amazingly powerful and if Kotor II would have been finished, he would have owned the Exile's ass at the end of the game.

But lets just say that was never the intention for the game then its still a matter of putting facts together.

- The Exile has killed what four Jedi Masters at most, plus three Sith Lords from which only one was impressive. The Exile and Nihilus were still the same, you can't ignore that. And Sion wasn't powerful he was just hard to beat.

- Revan had more Jedi Masters then that serving under him during the Mandelorian and Jedi Civil war. He has killed far more Jedi then that, and faced a lot of the most powerful Jedi alive at that time.

- Kavar who was one of the hardest masters to beat in the game, second to Vrook. He admits himself that he easily lost to Malak. Revan his apprentice.

- The Exile followed Revan, he was never Revan. He did not learn the teachings of the Jedi and the Sith, he was just a general. A tactician. Not a military genius.

- The only thing the Exile did what was really impressive was killing Kreia, killing Revan his former master. Kreia however admits that she was weaker then Revan. Sion also says Revan is stronger then Kreia. So that is not something Revan could not have done.

All in all, the exile has done nothing Revan could not have done, and most of what he has done is far less impressive then what Revan has done... And thats just considering the unfinished game.

Do any of you know when KOTOR 3 is suppose to be released and which company is releasing it?

Obsidian is most likely making it, first guesses on release is most likely 2007 nothing sure yet though... All a big mystery, anyways what does that have to do with the topic?

Revan rules ... havent got KOTOR 2 yet!

Obviously Revan would win. But it might be that maybe in some time the Excile becomes more powerful to eventually be able to challenge Revan to a duel.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Well, there's the expert's opinion, complete with facts.

if that was to me your an ******* sly

what does pwn mean? I take it means kick his ass? something like that??

'pwn' is the new term for 'own', like in games when you kill someone, you own them. Probably started in Counter-Strike or something as a typo and then spread like a disease. It's pronounced 'pone'. I dunno, I still use own rather than pwn.

Cheers, i've been wondering that for a while lol.

Originally posted by Shaggy2dope
if that was to me your an ******* sly

Here, try a way of communication where I can tell exactly what you're saying... Like this.

Dude true revan had jedi serving under her in the Mandalorian and Jedi civil war but how many "powerful" Jedi do we actually see her face. Only Bandon (saber fodder) and Malak who didn't truly understand the awesome powr of the force, he just tried to use it to gain power. We see that she beat Juhani but she had just gotten out of training we see her beat Bastilla at the end of the game but we know that Bastilla didn't have the strength that Revan did. And revan didn't pwn anybody except maybe bastilla in the end and HK-47 but he's a droid people followed her on free will. The exile pwn everybody that traveled in his party (sans Kreia and T3-M4 nobody own that little droid he comes anmd goes as he pleases). We could go on the assumption that she has killed many Jedi but we actually see the EXILE kick three sith lords *sses and if DS four Jedi Master's *sses that's evident *ss kicking. How do we know the other dark jedi besides MALAK didn't just fear revan so much they didn't want to fight her. And MALAK feared her too at the hieght of her power that's why he didn't challenge her man to woman. Yes you do have to be a bad *ss motherF*ck#r to be awarded the title Dark lord of the sith but who did Revan have to challenge for that title and how powerful was that person? We don't know, he could have been weaker than Bastilla who is tough but not Revan tough. The Exile (and maybe it's not him, maybe it's his story that I love so much) we see him actually face off against these people, (and using logic not how easily you was able to beat the SH*T out of them) these sith lords were powerful mofos. I could give you reasons why every Kotor I & II sith Lord (sans Kreia) was weak but that's not the point I'm trying to prove. I'm saying that we see proof of the exile's greatness. The man deserve's an award for outstanding achievement in the field of excellence, From what I was actually able to see. It's not that I don't like Revan he found the star forge twice which is not easy and she was powerful but I see the Exile's greatness. And I can't wait to see what else happens to him. starwars

Okay Revan was a Sith, his followers listened to Sith teachings. Jedi Councillors listened to Sith teachings, these councillors were weaker then Revan, Malak and Bandon otherwise they would have been the apprentices.

You can say Bandon is weak but facts contridict that, he was powerful damn powerful the fact that he was beaten so easily only makes Revan more impressive. And yes you can say the Exile did stuff, but everybody in Kotor II admits Revan could have done so, the things Revan has done were far more impressive....

Maybe you don't see it in game, but both games talk about it... A LOT, meaning basicallaly that you are now argueing against facts given in both games... Why?

And don't forget, arguing the facts from the official KOTOR II website... Revan's a guy. The Exile's gender is only in question. Not that that matters, but it irks me when people go off on Revan being a girl. Not the case.

Dude Revan kicked Bandons *ss easily you say he was powerful but as the exile I was able to beat the SH*T outta the sith lords alone and the Jedi Masters alone. And I (I could be wrond, highly unlikely) think that all of those sith lords were more powerful than than Bandon. With Revan I had the help of two other Jedi. Fishy Dude you keep saying that Revan could have done the things the Exile has done but the Exile actually does it. I could have become become a great soccer player but Beckham actually did it. We know that Revan could have beat Scion but where in the game does anybody actually say that? And do they know know for sure that he would have known how to beat Scion. I see that happen in KOTOR II. In the game I see the Exile break scion's will and Nihilus' back. If you want to say that Revan could have done these things I could say that the Exile could have done what Revan did. He could have altered peoples mind to fight against thier homelands (and much better I might add) he could have led a war against the republic, and found the Starforge ect. But he didn't REVAN did those acts not the exile. THE EXILE beat those 4 Master jedi alone and 3 Sith lords alone, created more Jedi changed and altered peoples minds for NOT REVAN. The Exile had his own set of accomplishments which I believe are much better. starwars

Originally posted by nolan lepaz
Dude Revan kicked Bandons *ss easily you say he was powerful but as the exile I was able to beat the SH*T outta the sith lords alone and the Jedi Masters alone. And I (I could be wrond, highly unlikely) think that all of those sith lords were more powerful than than Bandon. With Revan I had the help of two other Jedi. Fishy Dude you keep saying that Revan could have done the things the Exile has done but the Exile actually does it. I could have become become a great soccer player but Beckham actually did it. We know that Revan could have beat Scion but where in the game does anybody actually say that? And do they know know for sure that he would have known how to beat Scion. I see that happen in KOTOR II. In the game I see the Exile break scion's will and Nihilus' back. If you want to say that Revan could have done these things I could say that the Exile could have done what Revan did. He could have altered peoples mind to fight against thier homelands (and much better I might add) he could have led a war against the republic, and found the Starforge ect. But he didn't REVAN did those acts not the exile. THE EXILE beat those 4 Master jedi alone and 3 Sith lords alone, created more Jedi changed and altered peoples minds for NOT REVAN. The Exile had his own set of accomplishments which I believe are much better. starwars

First things first...

The Exile didn't beat Four Master Jedi alone, technically. It's one of two possible scenarios, and even if the Exile turned out to be evil and the darker ending was correct, he'd still get pwned by Revan and left to die on Malachor V. And Nihilus is defeated with the aid of Mandalore and Visas. So if you're going to downplay Revan's defeat of Bandon by saying he had help, then why not do the same with the Exile's victory over Nihilus? And as for creating more Jedi, that's nonsense. The Exile has the potential to set four individuals on the path to being Jedi. Hardly an accomplishment. Revan turned more Jedi masters and knights and padawans to the dark side than any before him or since. So that's moot. As for altering people's minds, Revan dominated all who came before him mentally. He had Kreia, who can kill three Jedi masters with a single motion, at his beck and call. Malak was his inferior. None of the great Jedi who led the Order in this time period were willing to challenge Revan. Those who may have are doubtless dead or converted.

What it all boils down to is that you're seeing the Exile as more impressive just because the stakes were upped in the sequel. I mean, in KOTOR I, there was a level twenty cap, limited weapons, upgrades and armor, less force abilities and feats, and a much slower-paced gamplay overall. But what you're saying is, Revan, given that he was in the Exile's position, could not be as good. Ludicrous. Revan has always been the exile's superior.

lucasarts has declared the lightside ending canon. therefore the Exile only killed 3 sith, and one jedi master. also, what about all of the Sith in the True Sith Empire that Revan in fighting during KOTOR 2? I know if isn't proven or anything, but he may have alredy killed like a thousand sith. I would definately think he has killed atleast four which places him above the Exile.

Dude Revan couldn't have beat Nihilus. The reason Nihis was a powerful dark lord was because of how he used the force. Nihilus was consuming the Force the reason the Exile beat him is because the Exile was a special case of a being who didn't really posses the force but used it from everybody else. But The Exile was able to do exactly the same thing Nihilus was. Which was power himself through the force. If he was to square off against Revan he could use the same abilities. And glen trac he could have killed thousands of sith but we don't know that all we know is that she was awarded or usurped the title of dark lord of the sith. And Janus Exar Kun was able to do the same thing turning students against master but we don't know how many in either case we assume what he did but don't really know. By saying things like she probably killed X amount of sith. We could also say that she served cake to her prisoners we don't know so lets not assume

Wrong....

Revan could indeed not beat Nihilus because it was impossible for him to win. The Exile could indeed win because he was the same as Nihilus only he didn't draw power from them he got it from them.

The exile was only as strong as his companions. Nihilus was as strong as everybody nearby. Revan could beat the Exile. Not to mention the Exile becomes one after Nihilus is dead and he losses his entire reason for existing.

Fishy where does the game or on what site does it talk about the exile's power because I didn't find that as I played through thhe Game. I know Nihilus fed on the force in everything to give him power but where does it talk about the Exile's true power? And dude you said that Nihilus and the exlie aree the same so if A=B and B>C then A>C.

Read the Darth Nihilus thread in the EU section... Its on the second page i think...

And about that ABC thing, no.

Just because a dog is an animal doesn't mean an animal is a dog. It could be but it doesn't have to be

Ok, let's put it this way, Darth Revan is like the apex of power. I have become convinced that he is the strongest being ever in the Star Wars universe. Yes, Anakin and perhaps a few others COULD have been stronger but he didn't reach his full potential.

Now why do I say Darth Revan is the strongest? (dark side only, if he went light I don't think he would have been the strongest.) He had enormous potential, staring into his eyes was like staring into the heart of the Force. He was trained by Kreia, a powerful and wise Jedi. He plundered everything he could about the Jedi, he was the only one that fully resisted Malachor V and even Kreia could not. He plundered everything about the Sith on a planet sized Sith storehouse of knowledge, further enhancing his power, learning many ways to kill and turn Jedi, and he had tons of experience fighting the Mandalorians and Jedi.

Now, he loses his memories, and then trains again, plundering tombs of powerful Sith Lords on Korriban gaining Tulak Hord's Sith holocron most likely, and visiting many worlds fighting many different types of opponents. He then kills Malak and becomes even stronger than his first reign which Malak didn't even think was possible. Then he recovers his full memories including all of the knowledge of the Sith, the Jedi, and experience from fighting.

In conclusion, he had enormous potential, learned everything about the Sith and Jedi, experienced both the Light Side and the Dark Side twice, fought in many battles, planet scale and in single combat, against all types of different opponents, such as Jedi, Sith, Mandalorians, and echani in a golden age for Sith and Jedi, was a brilliant military strategist, and had a superior will that was legendary. Not to mention he never lost a fight. In short, he had and did everything to gain more power, and he did it all very well. I don't think he could have done anything more to get stronger.

The Exile was defeated by one swift use of the Force, so he probably couldn't defeat the (imo) most powerful being ever in the Star Wars universe.

Well, like Revan33 said about Revan regaining his memories, I want to got into greater detail about that. Now it is said that he did regain all of the capabilities that he had before he was dethroned. So he was probably level 30 or 35 during his first reign as the DLOS. The reason that I think that he was past level twenty on the Star Forge was because I think Malak was just trying to make him overconfident. Add that to the twenty in the game, BAM, level 35 or above. The reason I only put him as 35 or above is because he got a lot of his knowlege back to get him to twenty back during KOTOR 1. Not even Revan would gain twenty levels in the few months the game lasted. And does anyone else think that he would become more powerful extremly quickly fighting the TRUE Sith Empire day and night for five years. Probably level 60 or above by this time.

Revan also has his super awsome armor. He probably made some better armor in his free time. I would think that since he got Tulak Hords holocron that he would, if it was in there, use his armor. In some post a while back I talked a lot about his armor. It can withstand a direct lightsaber hit because of the cortosis weave.

Revan also has to very powerful lightsaber crystals. The Mantle of the Force and the Heart of the Guardian. Since lightsabers only loose energy when they contact another obect, these blades would last much longer presumably because of increased effincey. A graze would also do more damage.

Nicely put, I had forgotten to put that part about fighting the true Sith empire by himself too. That just adds another reason why I think Darth Revan is unstoppable.

Hmm. I would've thought someone would argue with me. Oh well, its better this way.

Why?

Everybody here able to actually make a good point agrees with you

I knew you guys thought Revan would beat the Exile but I didn't know who else thinks that Revan is the strongest being ever in the SW galaxy.

i'd go with revan all the way cause the exil was just a charcter to motovate a new video game and besides the revan was one of the most powerful force users ever not the most powerful but in the top 5 at least.

and this is besides the point but have you noticed that almost all the most powerful are evil?

That's because the issue is that power unbalances and corrupts. The Jedi do not seek dominance over others, and in that is their strength, not in saber skills or in raw Force-wrought destruction.

I have found out that George Lucas even says that the Dark Side is stronger!!

He does, but in a very limited sense.

Thats because it is...