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All right Flash vs. MAgneto

The Flash has beaten Magenta by turning her into a electromagnet. The Flash stands a chance. Though I'm leaning more on Magneto.

me too

Magneto without a doubt. The man created a wormhole. He some kind of force of nature. I doubt if he can actually be killed. And of course he doesn't have any problem destroying the earth to kill a human as long as his followers or safe. If flash goes all out he definitely stands a chance.

First instinct is Magneto, though it may be within Flash's (Wally? Barry? Jay?) ability. It could depend on the specifics of the scenario and the environment.

Im With Nigel On This One... But As For Magneto Having A Force Of Nature... Wouldnt The Speed Force Be Considered A Force?
I Dunno...

We Be Bootleg...

Flash could win before magneto could even get to se his poweres

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Flash

Mags should start with shields per forum rules i believe (i think). He should feel punches from Flash and try to fly away and then try and throw crap at a insanely fast person he can barely keep track of (if at all...) Lets be generous and say he gets airborne and finds out he can't hit the guy but he might be able to go for 2 cheap wins. Bust out teh black hole effect or try and rip out the iron in flashe's blood (therefore bypassing the need to be able to see him, mags should be able to sense the iron in flashes blood).

Or it can go this way assuming that both guys fight within characters flash is not going to use a IMP or a speed force dump on Mags. That would be a cheap win also.

IMO the fight would be when magneto is about to use his endgame move Flash would notice this very quickly. Access the threat and use his end game move which in my opinion can get him the win faster (especially if it takes time for Mags to build a black hole the iron pull ... i really don't know).

Also as someone said before this fight could totally change based on the environment. I think the possibilities of Flash taking it home is greater than Magneto's.

If Magneto enters flying and shielded then he wins

Joseph (Magneto's clone) polarized the blood in Quicksilver's body to fling him miles away when Peitro attempted to blitz him. Mags can do that here.

Granted, Flash is faster than QS, but its not as though Flash constantly runs around at c all the time.

Anyway.. Flash.

Magneto does get a chance if he survives the initial blitz and puts up his shield, though.

What kinda Magneto fanboy are you?

Flash

Originally posted by Enyalus
What kinda Magneto fanboy are you?

The objective type.

Flash

magneto would lift up an adamantium pole. when flash is running at him.

If Flash can't beat him before magneto puts out a shield than Magneto should win

Flash in approximately 0.0000000001 seconds

Flash

Originally posted by nigel45
First instinct is Magneto, though it may be within Flash's (Wally? Barry? Jay?) ability. It could depend on the specifics of the scenario and the environment.

Exactly. If this is Wally and its in the default setting and Magneto doesn't start with shields up, its all Wally. Magneto would never get a chance to react. If he is able to raise his defenses, he's a character that could defeat the Flash.

Magneto's shields are always up.

Stalemate.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Mags should start with shields per forum rules i believe (i think).

This. If so Magneto wins.

If he starts without flight or shields, Flash pwns him.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
This. If so Magneto wins.

If he starts without flight or shields, Flash pwns him.

Flash can vibrate through shields.

And don't say he can't. Flash can vibrate through time, the walls between dimensions and even the Source Wall. A magnetic shield will be nothing.

Especially when he has experience with Magenta.

He can't vibrate through Mags shields.

Originally posted by Mindset
He can't vibrate through Mags shields.

Yes. Yes, he can.

No, no he can't.

Originally posted by Mindset
No, no he can't.


Excellent counter.

I am rendered speechless and dumbfounded.

Apparently.

Originally posted by Draco69
Flash can vibrate through shields.

And don't say he can't. Flash can vibrate through time, the walls between dimensions and even the Source Wall. A magnetic shield will be nothing.

Especially when he has experience with Magenta. if flash tries to even touch the magnetic shield...that would be dumb because Magneto can form a shield around flash and simply crush him before he has a chance to break free

Originally posted by Starscream M
if flash tries to even touch the magnetic shield...that would be dumb because Magneto can form a shield around flash and simply crush him before he has a chance to break free lol... did you just say that Magneto could do something before Flash has a chance to react?

Magneto has tracked Photon (Monica) while she was going light speed...

I don't see Mags getting caught with his pants down, so to speak.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
lol... did you just say that Magneto could do something before Flash has a chance to react? yes...if flash doesn't speedblitz and instead tries to vibrate his way through the forcefield...mags will crush him for the foolish tactic

Flash should win. He can vibrate through any magnetic shield to reach Magneto. And there is no way Magneto could really track him without PIS - even taking it easy at just under light speed Flash would still reach Mags before the neurons in Mag's brain could fire or his optic nerve even began to register, let alone formulate and execute a response. Even if Mags had a brain 100x faster than a regular human it would still be no contest - light is much faster than the speed of thought.

But in a comic scenario, especially a team fight like JLA, with Flash being his usual dumb self Mags could take wins. In fact if it was a team fight of the JLA against Magneto I can guarantee the writer would have Flash get taken out early in the fight along with MM.

Flash 7/10.

Originally posted by Starscream M
yes...if flash doesn't speedblitz and instead tries to vibrate his way through the forcefield...mags will crush him for the foolish tactic What happens when Flash vibrates through the shield that Magneto erects to crush him with?

Originally posted by Starscream M
yes...if flash doesn't speedblitz and instead tries to vibrate his way through the forcefield...mags will crush him for the foolish tactic since when does flash not speedblitz ?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Magneto has tracked Photon (Monica) while she was going light speed...

I don't see Mags getting caught with his pants down, so to speak.

He tracked Monica because she was in an energy form that he could use his magnetic powers to keep track of.

Much like radio waves.

You saying Magneto can counter the friggin' (I'm so damn fast I outran friggin' DEATH, ya losers!) Flash?

Originally posted by Draco69
He tracked Monica because she was in an energy form that he could use his magnetic powers to keep track of.

Much like radio waves.

He was still consciously able to see her. While she was going light speed. Clearly then his brain can process that amount of information that rapidly.

Besides that, Flash still has iron in his blood. Magneto's going to be able to track him anyway.

Onslaught had instantaneous shielding...I wish I had more Magneto appearances, because I think his shielding is also instantaneous. Can't be positive though, so until I can, I'll let that one drop.

Originally posted by Draco69
You saying Magneto can counter the friggin' (I'm so damn fast I outran friggin' DEATH, ya losers!) Flash?

I'm saying, since this is an in character fight, Flash isn't going to be going that fast. He frequently only goes mach 2 or 3, even when fighting. Hell, when he was fighting Grodd with Nightwing's help, he went all the way out of Keystone City to gather momentum and one-shot KO Grodd....he was going Mach 10.

Originally posted by Enyalus





I'm saying, since this is an in character fight, Flash isn't going to be going that fast. He frequently only goes mach 2 or 3, even when fighting. Hell, when he was fighting Grodd with Nightwing's help, he went all the way out of Keystone City to gather momentum and one-shot KO Grodd....he was going Mach 10.

..................

Flash is only going to go Mach 2....?

Not on KMC, honey.

On KMC, he's gonna go at near or at lightspeed at the dot.

Which means Magneto gets his face splatted against the back of his helmet.

Originally posted by Enyalus


He was still consciously able to see her. While she was going light speed. Clearly then his brain can process that amount of information that rapidly. ]

Magneto cannot keep track of the Flash.

What's next, Magneto can keep track of the Runner or Silver Surfer?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Besides that, Flash still has iron in his blood. Magneto's going to be able to track him anyway.


By the time, Magneto thinks "Fight", he's already been hit a million times.....

Okay.

'Cause Flash does this all the time.

Flash has never done it.

Originally posted by Mindset
Flash has never done it.
It doesn't matter. He can do it. And this is CBR, apparently.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Okay.

'Cause Flash does this all the time.

You've been here long enough to know the forum rules.

Especially regarding "No PIS" and "Full Capacity"

Does Flash do it all the time? No. Does he do it alot? Yep.

And I find it hilarious that Flash will be fighting at 1% capacity but Magneto's best feats allow him to fight at 100% capacity.

If this was TRUELY in character?

Magneto would STILL lose. Why? Because he's been tagged by far slower characters like Wolverine and Beast.....

Only for DC characters, and only if you're Draco, h1a8, and TP.

Originally posted by Enyalus
It doesn't matter. He can do it. And this is CBR, apparently.

CBR-lite without the Nazism and retarded logic where Bugs Bunny is more powerful than Thor because of 'toon force'.......

Originally posted by Mindset
Only for DC characters, and only if you're Draco, h1a8, and TP.

Meh. On CBR, Sentry is god.

Sentry can apparently defeat the entire JSA, JLA and Avengers together combined.

Originally posted by Draco69
Magneto would STILL lose. Why? Because he's been tagged by far slower characters like Wolverine and Beast..... No, no, no. Magneto was just playing with them, as he has every time he's been tagged by anybody slower than Monica.

This isn't CBR, Draco. We gotta keep it at Magneto's average.

On average, Magneto destroys high heralders with his impenetrable shield and lightspeed reflexes.

Flash has beaten many opponents instantly on-panel. I think it happens than most people give him credit for. Also... I can't believe Magneto got as many votes as he did...

Originally posted by Draco69
You've been here long enough to know the forum rules.

Especially regarding "No PIS" and "Full Capacity"

Does Flash do it all the time? No. Does he do it alot? Yep.

Flash does not run around above lightspeed, at lightspeed, or even near lightspeed 'a lot.' You read Flash, right? I mean, going all the way back to Flash 190 and onward, no way. JLA issues from that time and beyond also attest to that fact.

Does Magneto run around 'a lot' of the time with his shields up? Yup. Does he manipulate the iron in peoples blood before? Yup. Has he torn up whole streets and cars, etc, before, just because he felt like it (which would sure as hell nullify Flash's speed advantage)? Yup.

Its not like I'm saying, "Magneto uses his bottle effect to suck the Speedforce dry FTW."

Originally posted by Enyalus
Does Magneto run around 'a lot' of the time with his shields up? Yup. Does he manipulate the iron in peoples blood before? Yup. Has he torn up whole streets and cars, etc, before, just because he felt like it (which would sure as hell nullify Flash's speed advantage)? Yup.
You think Magneto does those things more often than Flash runs fast?

Especially considering you seem to believe he'd do them all at the same time. Which is apparently far more likely than Flash simply running fast.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
You think Magneto does those things more often than Flash runs fast?

More often than Flash blitzes people at lightspeed or higher? Yes. Blitzing people at lightspeed or higher whom he has just met and only has basic knowledge of? Oh hell yes.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Especially considering you seem to believe he'd do them all at the same time.
I never said or implied that.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Flash does not run around above lightspeed, at lightspeed, or even near lightspeed 'a lot.' You read Flash, right? I mean, going all the way back to Flash 190 and onward, no way. JLA issues from that time and beyond also attest to that fact.

Actually, during the Waid era, Flash was going at lightspeed alot....


Originally posted by Enyalus
Does Magneto run around 'a lot' of the time with his shields up? Yup. Does he manipulate the iron in peoples blood before? Yup. Has he torn up whole streets and cars, etc, before, just because he felt like it (which would sure as hell nullify Flash's speed advantage)? Yup.

None of these tactics would bother Flash in the least.

You're still assuming that Magneto will have TIME to react to the Flash to erect any sort of defense much less attack.

You're also assuming that Magneto will have his shields up before the battle. Which would be considered prep. Even if he does constantly keep up a shield, you're assuming it's powerful endure an assault from the Flash.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Its not like I'm saying, "Magneto uses his bottle effect to suck the Speedforce dry FTW."

You might as well.

Originally posted by Draco69
Actually, during the Waid era, Flash was going at lightspeed alot....

That was...6 years ago or something?

Originally posted by Draco69
You're also assuming that Magneto will have his shields up before the battle. Which would be considered prep.

Nope. I wasn't saying that he starts battle with shields up. Never implied that, either.

Originally posted by Enyalus


More often than Flash blitzes people at lightspeed or higher? Yes. Blitzing people at lightspeed or higher whom he has just met and only has basic knowledge of? Oh hell yes. Flash needs to run lightspeed to blitz Magneto?

lulz.


Originally posted by Enyalus
I never said or implied that. Having seen you list them off as tactic after tactic to counter Flash simply running, I would say it's a pretty heavy implication that he needs to do all those things, or a majority, to have any sort of edge.

Not that he would have an edge, but again, all I'm doing is interpreting your implications.

So yes, you did in fact imply that he would be more likely to do all (or at least most) of what you've named to stand a chance, whereas you criticize Flash supporters for believing that Flash is likely to run really fast.

Unless you truly believe that Magneto's gonna stand a chance performing only one of those tactics (say, only raise his shield, or only go for an iron-blood pull), then this is hypocrisy.

Flash wins.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Flash needs to run lightspeed to blitz Magneto?

lulz.
Magnus has no problems with Quicksilver. And he can track someone going at light speed. He's going to somehow be unable to react to a Flash coming from half a kilometer away, who might be going - I would say generously, 10 or so times the speed of sound?

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Having seen you list them off as tactic after tactic to counter Flash simply running, I would say it's a pretty heavy implication that he needs to do all those things, or a majority, to have any sort of edge.
Sure, he can and might use all those tactics in order to get a win here. You thought I meant he'd do them all at the same time. I'm saying, I'm not that much of a fanboy to assume such a thing.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Flash wins.

I've got no issues with that. Flash is, what, mid-herald? Magneto is...not. I can think of plenty of ways for Flash to win. Just, IMO and with the newer forum rules of CIS and CIP, I don't think he'd use them or go all out from the outset. And by the time he realized he'd need to, Magneto would already have ****ed him up.

Originally posted by Enyalus

Magnus has no problems with Quicksilver. And he can track someone going at light speed. He's going to somehow be unable to react to a Flash coming from half a kilometer away, who might be going - I would say generously, 10 or so times the speed of sound? Magneto tracking someone at lightspeed is not an average showing, and not something that he'd be any more prepared to do at the offset than Flash would to run fast.


Originally posted by Enyalus
Sure, he can and might use all those tactics in order to get a win here. You thought I meant he'd do them all at the same time. I'm saying, I'm not that much of a fanboy to assume such a thing. And yet he needs to do all of those things to win.

You're not fanboy enough to believe that Magneto would win, and yet you're fanboy enough to argue that he would win? At least, that's what it seems like, prefaced by that comment, and then followed by...

Originally posted by Enyalus
Just, IMO and with the newer forum rules of CIS and CIP, I don't think he'd use them or go all out from the outset. And by the time he realized he'd need to, Magneto would already have ****ed him up. So, you think that Magneto might shield and blood pull and so forth before Flash goes fast enough, and you think that Flash wouldn't go fast enough before Magneto "****s him up".

Funny.