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People dont seem to like it at all
its like democracy

Democracy = People have a say in what happens

Communism = People say what happens


Sure might not go the way planned at some stages but thats the same with most governments

Democracy: People say what happens
Communism: A few people once decided to revolt and now no one can say anythint (well except for a tyrant sometimes)

Democracy : People give advice to a person who says what happens

Communism : People say what happens

not every communist party is full of tyrants

there has never been a true communist regime in the world so we cant really gauge whether its better than democracy or not

*cue the USSR and China arguments*

but these are not true communist governments are they?

communism revolves around the basis that everyone works and pays into the national pot then everyone gets an equal share from that pot regardless of what they do to make their money

is this the way either China or the soviet union worked...no...the people who initiated the government had to have the bigger share and so the whole idea falls flat on its face

what i find really hilarious is the way that communism is regarded in the US...the "evil commy bastards" etc

the media have done a sterling job of brainwashing the masses (through fear etc...remind you of anyone elses tactics?) into thinking that communism is a evil concept

but what are the motives behind making people who live in a capatalist democracy that the idea of communism is evil

simple to answer...who controls the media...big buisness tycoons with tons and tons of money...the same people who would be set to lose the most if the people decided to embrace communism

so if you can get the poor people who you exploit to make your money to reject and in fact HATE the idea of communism (which in the US would benefit more people than it would hurt due to equal distribution of massive wealth)...then you keep yourself in money and in power...

that wasnt communism, it was the work of those who used communistic ideas to get into power to then abuse the same communistic ideas to suppress their people by a totalitarian rule of the elite

Is unfortunate how many communist parties which materialised misused the doctrine. These days opinions of the practice are naturally coloured by the events of the past (for a successful communist party look at the Smurfs. Don't let their blue colour fool you)

No thats not true

Democracy the people chose people to do what the people want them to do.

In Communism on the other hand not the people but if at all the proletarians decide what to do....and not even them they don't have real freedom they can't decide for how much money they want to sell stuff. Communism is Bullshit.....you know I like Marx but if everyone makes the same amount of money well that is of course great for the idiots and lazy bastards but nothing great comes from it....plus the people have to be forced to agree to that...look at everyx communistic government ever....if humans were machines well then it might work but we are not and hoonestly I liek that we aren't....oh yes read animal farm thats what happens to all communistic regimes in the real world.

Look at the smurfs indeed
they live in perfect peace with communism

no thats what happen when an elite form out of the common.
Communism is an idea that really cant work in real life due to the nature of the people

Hmm I never considered the smurfs...well maybe they lost there credibility becausen they were 1000 men with just one woman yes I thin k thats possible

Hahaha. Quiet possibly, but then good Communist men don't need women.

they wanted to be all equal didnt they?

Originally posted by jaden101
there has never been a true communist regime in the world so we cant really gauge whether its better than democracy or not


precisely. it is an almost impossible regime to apply, in it's true sense. it would seem efficient, theoretically....but we'll never know

Well Communism is not evil......its a stupid idea though.....in capitalism everything depends on how much your work is actually worth and that is jsut ths best idea...well if you have a minimum of social security at least.

Communism is a good thing because everyone is equal in the communist nation, there is no poverty in communism and there are also no spoiled rich people. Its a semi-utopia.

there is no such thing as a communist nation though, so the idea of a communist state regardless its "good" intention falls flat on its face due to that it is impossible to fulfill

I think everything that can be said about communism being good or bad has been said here

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well Communism is not evil......its a stupid idea though.....in capitalism everything depends on how much your work is actually worth and that is jsut ths best idea...well if you have a minimum of social security at least.

so you think that football players do a more worthy job than doctors?

or porn stars do a more worthy job than mothers?

capatalism doesn't remotely revolve around the notion of people getting what their jobs are worth and it never will

capatalism is actually the complete opposite of what you state... the only way profits are made is by people being paid less than what they are worth

Originally posted by XIA
Communism is a good thing because everyone is equal in the communist nation, there is no poverty in communism and there are also no spoiled rich people. Its a semi-utopia.

Actually it is a semi-dystopia
Communism isonly an utopia for lazy people....people that love freedom and want to do their best and reach goals....they get screwed up the but in communist countries....we all know that the capitalism as it was practised during the 19th century was wrong....but jumping to the next extreme is in no way the right choice. A welfare state that safes people that can't help themselves and that also helps children not to live in extreme poverty is good but to let everyone be the same is stpid.....someone that works in a factory doesn't create anything that is worth as much as what a doctor for example does. What has to happen is to give everyone the chance to do something with their life something useful....something great......a nd communism doesn'T really bring that out in humans.

In conclusion....Communism Sucks....its not evil or anything but if I'd life in a communist country I would leave as soon as possible.

Originally posted by jaden101
so you think that football players do a more worthy job than doctors?

or porn stars do a more worthy job than mothers?

capatalism doesn't remotely revolve around the notion of people getting what their jobs are worth and it never will

capatalism is actually the complete opposite of what you state... the only way profits are made is by people being paid less than what they are worth


What football players do is worth a hell of a lot of money for many people.....so yes they do something that is worth more to society.

So do porn stars.

So wait a minute....we compare the "Mythological Idea of Communism" with what capitalism is like now?


In the future
Compare the idea of Communism with the Idea of Capitalism
or
Compare States with Capitalism with States with Communism

yea that's a bit of a pickle but it always is.
There are very few (if any) capitalist states that practice real capitalism.

Now Bardock you made some good points but I don't agree with your views on communism except the fact that it is indeed not possible to realise it

Well we don't have to agree.....but I didn't like that this other person posted bullshit aboot capitalism.

The true ideal of communism (which 'could' eventually come close to that of a utopian society) can truely never come to fruition simply because people are selfish and jealous.

Selfish...Jealous.....or Competitive?

America's economy strives because of their highly competitive semi-open market. If all of America were to convert to communism then you what would be the point of working your ass off, studying your ass off, and putting in the extra effort if you aren't going to get anything extra in return.

Does the gap between rich and poor in America suck? Yes. But it's that way because the people who bust their ass their entire life worked hard to reap the benefits.

It's not the land of opportunity because everything is given away for free.

Well in communism (atleast the way I always thought of it) everyone would study what he or she wanted to study and would do the job he or she wanted to do. Not because they got paid heavily for it but because they take pride and joy in simply doing their job.

I know it's an ideal

if you think all the rich people in america are rich because they work hard then you are sadly mistaken

Paris and Nicole

(thx Storm)

Originally posted by jaden101
if you think all the rich people in america are rich because they work hard then you are sadly mistaken

Thats not what he said though....he said peoplen that do can be rich while in communism they can't

And if I recall right people study what they like in capitalistic societies too.

For Paris and Nicole well they are rich because their parents were.....well this might seem unfair but you can explain it with capitalism. Paris is for her father worth all his money so she is pretty rich because she is wiorth a lot to someone.

They are also rich though because a lot of stupid people like to watch their show so their show is worth a lot for the TV producers whose programmes are worth something for a lot of people that like to watch them....everything perfectly reasonable.

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
The true ideal of communism (which 'could' eventually come close to that of a utopian society) can truely never come to fruition simply because people are selfish and jealous.
the painful truth


"In theory communism works ... in theory."

Originally posted by Uber_God
People dont seem to like it at all
its like democracy

Democracy = People have a say in what happens

Communism = People say what happens


Sure might not go the way planned at some stages but thats the same with most governments

I like Democracy but if the Republicans took over then it would be gret.Commuism however I dislike with a passion!

because you do actually know what it is? or you just blindly take over what they push onto you in history classes?

Originally posted by yerssot
because you do actually know what it is? or you just blindly take over what they push onto you in history classes?

Are you talking to me?JM

-post by me
-post by you
-post by me, asking a question

...errr... no?

kidding, yeah, cause I have the idea that you think stalinism, leninism and such are true communism-forms

Blah to you!JMboxing

what's that for an answer?

It is my answear!JMmeh1

well, it's better than the response "because"... so you mean I was right about my assumption?

No I think you are wrong wih your answear.JM

and can you expand on that please?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Thats not what he said though....he said peoplen that do can be rich while in communism they can't

And if I recall right people study what they like in capitalistic societies too.

For Paris and Nicole well they are rich because their parents were.....well this might seem unfair but you can explain it with capitalism. Paris is for her father worth all his money so she is pretty rich because she is wiorth a lot to someone.

They are also rich though because a lot of stupid people like to watch their show so their show is worth a lot for the TV producers whose programmes are worth something for a lot of people that like to watch them....everything perfectly reasonable.

I don't think it is that reasonable at all.

I also never said people do not study what they like in capitalism I just gave you my view on how things would work out in a communist society

do you mean that the republicans aint for democracy?

Well, Communism is good for ants. Human nature is individulistic. Ambition and greed are fuel for progress.

Nazism was a form of fascism, fascism is a mixture of far right and far left ideologies. Stalinism was the perversion of Marx and Lenin's works in which a small minority had control over a worker majority, which is anathema to Communism principles.
Neither are prime examples of the left or the right of the political spectrum, because they were mixtures of some of the worst of both wings.
Why are they alike? Both were totalitarian dictatorships.

No one is trying to stop the free flow of your particular information, Deano, but I suspect if they did, no one would mind all that much.

the biggest problem with communism is that there is no motivation for the people. all the people get the same share of food, so why bother working hard if you will still get the same amount?

Well, I suppose you bother to work so that the country prospers, and if the "country as a whole prospers then your "same amount" will increase. This only works in theory as human beings are too lazy, selfish and greedy for it to truly work.

But look at the USSR. In a country that big, if someone stopped working hard they would not see a difference in the amount of food they recieved. One thing that makes capitalism work is that working harder = better profit. People are more motivated

Like I said a true Communist state cannot occur because people are lazy, greedy and selfish. The ruling powers in the U.S.S.R. and the people of the U.S.S.R. did not receive equality.

Working harder = better profit. Isn't necessarily true.
A model works as hard as a doctor? An actor works as hard as a scientist?
There are those who work hard in capitalist countries and are still poor. I know it eases conscience to say the single mother making minimum wage, that doesn't cover expenses, and having to take handouts from the Salvation Army, in order to feed and clothe her children, should just work harder and then she'd be rich - but that's not the case.

I guess working harder means you will earn more money than if you were lazy and sat on ur ass. Doesnt mean other people will make more money doing less work