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so who would win in a fight? my money's on Exar Kun but just barely. Oh and sorry if this has already been created, i checked but couldnt find one.

Darth Vader would win

Vader.
Vader in his suit.
Vader not in his suit.
Vader on crack.
Vader on pot.
It doesn't matter, Vader would win because he is the only being in the universe that could give himself to the darkside that much and turn back.

Only being? What about the redemption of Naga Sadow? This -is- EU, Nefarous. Feel free to stray from the movies.

And Vader would get destroyed, in my opinion. Exar Kun was amazing compared to him.

Which Vader are u talking about?
If it is the Evil Anakin Vader which we will see in RotS then Exar Kun would loose. But if it is the post RotS Vader, the mechanical Vader, the Exar Kun would surely loose.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Only being? What about the redemption of Naga Sadow? This -is- EU, Nefarous. Feel free to stray from the movies.

And Vader would get destroyed, in my opinion. Exar Kun was amazing compared to him.

in your opinion. exactly. and thats all it is.... Vader would win hands down.

Okay, this is Vader from ROTJ and Exar Kun in the height of his Sith power.

yeah and vader wins

Ok, so then everyone should know that Exar Kun will win. As mechanical Vader was weaker then Sidious, and Exar surely would beat Sidious.

ROTJ Vader would get whipped by C-3PO with a mop, come on. Exar Kun wins.

yea right......vader kills exar.....even if he couldnt, SIDIOUS WOULD ANNIHILATE KUNt!!

Originally posted by jackstain
SIDIOUS WOULD ANNIHILATE KUNt!!

Yeah right, stupidest thing I've heard.

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jackstain, watch your language!!

lol

dude, why are you so hostile?

Doesn't really matter anymore does it, seeing as how he's BANNED!

I didn't know that then, but thank god man

Good. I was tired of his "omg maul and vader would so own everyone cuz in my opinion both were amazing, blah blah blah"

I'm sorry, but if you're gonna have an opinion, great. If you're gonna attack and/or reply to others' opnions, bring something to the show next time.

omg ... you're banned.

Yeah, I mean, Janus, you and I disagree all the time, but it doesn't make you dumb or anything.
You're just in denial
Vader wins

Denial is a river in Egypt...

And better we disagree than agree too much. I don't trust anyone who doesn't have a clear opinion on anything.

Agreed.
My god, we've done it! lol

Gah! It's contagious! Run!

bump...don't ask me why.

exar would win all you vader fanboys just shut up cause you ARE wrong not tryin to be hostile but you guys are ignorant and aren't informed on kun vader would lose.

I'm curious as to how people think Vader would win this.

Janus and Nefarus: Your different views are the stuff of legend, lol. That was the first thing I found out on this forum; that you guys never agree.

I dug this thread up from the very bottom of the last page...lol.

Yeah, he and I never agreed hardly, but we respected one another.

And on the first page is a serious typo... I typed Naga Sadow instead of Ajunta Pall.

I thought so. . .

Originally posted by Gryn Jabar
I'm curious as to how people think Vader would win this.

This was back when no one really knew the transition, before ROTS, and Dan has always thought the movies more reliable than games and EU.

Lord Vader will win, his power with the Force is huge and his hatred and desperation allow his evil feeling to reach the full potential of a Sith Lord. I think that only Sidious can defeat him, and not because of raw power.

um vader isn't as powerful as Exar. in his suite he lost all of his potential yes he does have a good command of the force. when he did have his limbs he had probably the best potential being as the chosen one and all but he never came close to reaching that.

Kun was pretty powerful in the force you know blowing up a star and all which inturn blew up a system. and he was pretty good with a lightsaber especially compared to vader with his bulky suite.

Originally posted by Darth Sparhawk
Lord Vader will win, his power with the Force is huge and his hatred and desperation allow his evil feeling to reach the full potential of a Sith Lord. I think that only Sidious can defeat him, and not because of raw power.

You obviously know nothing of Exar Kun.

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
um vader isn't as powerful as Exar. in his suite he lost all of his potential
No comment.

Uh huh.

we've got a lot of S.S. guys here i can c

thats the only way that people can think vader is stronger then kun

Or just plain uninformed movie fanboys who roll over here and think they know anything.

ya thats how i was at first but now after a few beat downs i've learn alittle lol but i still think jacen kyp and obi-wan r the coolest jedi ever

no matter how much i get pwned

Eh, maybe he'll fit in. Who knows? But for now, he is under fanboy suspicion.

Artoo will try him.

illustrious you have got to stop with this jawa droid thing. Well i suppose whatever does it for you

Why do you care, Disciple of Threepio?

Originally posted by tommy vercetti
illustrious you have got to stop with this jawa droid thing. Well i suppose whatever does it for you

You again?

Everywhere I go, you're there.... Like pigeon crap.

this thread needs to end it's not even funny how bad vader would get wasted like he'd barely b able to get a breath in

faunus and janus you're both just lame i might have to go insane if i listen to this same shit again

Originally posted by tommy vercetti
faunus and janus you're both just lame i might have to go insane if i listen to this same shit again

If you don't like us, either ignore us, or go somewhere else. It's that simple.

Originally posted by tommy vercetti
faunus and janus you're both just lame i might have to go insane if i listen to this same shit again

Then don't listen to it; just leave. You bring the whole house down on top of yourself every time you post, no one likes you, and all you do is put up insults, not reasoning.

i hear that tommy vercetti got banned

Really? Then why do I think you're his sock?

what is a sock

Originally posted by Darth_Nefarus
Vader.
Vader in his suit.
Vader not in his suit.
Vader on crack.
Vader on pot.
It doesn't matter, Vader would win because he is the only being in the universe that could give himself to the darkside that much and turn back.
Thats a lie...ulic did just the same

And Revan. And Bastila. And Exile. And Juhani.

Originally posted by Gryn Jabar
And Revan. And Bastila. And Exile. And Juhani.
Exile didnt atchally HAVE to go dark deppends how u play it
And Some Dark Jedi not sith, returned to the light

Originally posted by DarkExar
Exile didnt atchally HAVE to go dark deppends how u play it

I thought Canon stated this path for exile:
Exile: ->Jedi->Fought in Mandalorian Wars, turned DS -> returns->Get redeemed.

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Exar Kun. He simply outclasses Vader with sorcery and as a lightsaber duelist, since Kun's style counters Vader's dueling strategy.

Originally posted by samappo
He simply outclasses Vader with sorcery

No.

Originally posted by samappo
and as a lightsaber duelist,

No.

Originally posted by samappo
since Kun's style counters Vader's dueling strategy.

How?

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
exar would win all you vader fanboys just shut up cause you ARE wrong not tryin to be hostile but you guys are ignorant and aren't informed on kun vader would lose.

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Canon vader could take this via maul scaling+malachor scaling

Kun, good fight

Excuse my below-par knowledge of Exar Kun but my reasoning is this:

1. There's no evidence as far as I know that Vader has/can combat offensive Sith Magic. Plus Kun did learn force lightning.

2. I feel like Vader tooled his fighting style to specifically counter surviving Jedi, by taking advantage of their predictability. It seems like when Shryne used unconventional tactic, Vader got hit twice, and then resorted to force abilities to win. I may be wrong here, but since Exar Kun's style is highly unpredictable and aggressive, I feel like Vader would be at a disadvantage. Especially since Kun could also use the double-blade function of his lightsaber, and he has also been known to use trakata techniques to get past his opponent's guard.

2. Not really. Roan Shryne was able to perform as well as he did against Vader because Vader was still in development at the time. If they'd fought a few years later, Roan would probably just get wrecked.

Originally posted by samappo
1. There's no evidence as far as I know that Vader has/can combat offensive Sith Magic. Plus Kun did learn force lightning.

Someone with a slight portion of Vader's knowledge was capable of summoning demons that perform Force Drain, Vader himself had a Sith amulet built into his suit, he has experience against Sorcery, and he's trained in the same methods as Tyranus. Tyranus being the same person who thinks of spells Sorzus Syn considered complex as "lesser arts".

Vader is more than capable of negating any Sith magic with his own vast plethora of knowledge and skill in said field.

With regards to lightning, Vader already has insolators in his suit to combat that, plus considerable Force defenses to counter that. Sure, powerful enough electricity can short-circuit his armor, but Kun lacks any lightning feats on par with Starkiller, much less Darth Sidious, both of whom needed prolongued bursts of lightning to overpower Vader's suit.

Originally posted by samappo
2. I feel like Vader tooled his fighting style to specifically counter surviving Jedi, by taking advantage of their predictability. It seems like when Shryne used unconventional tactic, Vader got hit twice, and then resorted to force abilities to win. I may be wrong here, but since Exar Kun's style is highly unpredictable and aggressive, I feel like Vader would be at a disadvantage. Especially since Kun could also use the double-blade function of his lightsaber, and he has also been known to use trakata techniques to get past his opponent's guard.

Jensaarai video as a source, huh? His fight against Roan Shryne was 19 BBY Vader, who was yet to fully adapt to his suit or develope his lightsaber form. This is more than 20 years before his prime, by which point he's definitely not going to be stopped just by "unpredictable" fighting methods. Besides being unorthodox, you're going to need to be more skilled, which I doubt Exar is.

Originally posted by Azronger
Kun, good fight

Finally, you say something worth agreeing with.

But yeah - Kun being greater than a "supremely" powerful Sith prodigy in Vitiate, whom, defied the mechanism of an omnipresent energy field in the Force by stripping it's presence from an entire planet and into his own, and had a thousand years to further master and increase his power, with his insane intrinsic aptitude and knowledge in the Force to aid, is a bit above and beyond Vader's pay grade.

Assuming I take the quote/accolade that puts Kun > Vitiate at face value, while ignoring you can't holistically factor someone that factually didn't exist at the time.

Originally posted by MythLord
Someone with a slight portion of Vader's knowledge was capable of summoning demons that perform Force Drain, Vader himself had a Sith amulet built into his suit, he has experience against Sorcery, and he's trained in the same methods as Tyranus. Tyranus being the same person who thinks of spells Sorzus Syn considered complex as "lesser arts".

Vader is more than capable of negating any Sith magic with his own vast plethora of knowledge and skill in said field.

With regards to lightning, Vader already has insolators in his suit to combat that, plus considerable Force defenses to counter that. Sure, powerful enough electricity can short-circuit his armor, but Kun lacks any lightning feats on par with Starkiller, much less Darth Sidious, both of whom needed prolongued bursts of lightning to overpower Vader's suit.



Jensaarai video as a source, huh? His fight against Roan Shryne was 19 BBY Vader, who was yet to fully adapt to his suit or develope his lightsaber form. This is more than 20 years before his prime, by which point he's definitely not going to be stopped just by "unpredictable" fighting methods. Besides being unorthodox, you're going to need to be more skilled, which I doubt Exar is.

Ya know wollf, you could take it a little less aggressively, he did preface by saying he had a lacking knowledge of Kun. Meanwhile I can certainly debate Kun v Vader boi.

Besides the "Jen video" thing, I fail to see how I was aggressive. Especially considering the Roan Shryne argument is from Jensaarai's Kun vs Vader video.

Originally posted by MythLord
Someone with a slight portion of Vader's knowledge was capable of summoning demons that perform Force Drain, Vader himself had a Sith amulet built into his suit, he has experience against Sorcery, and he's trained in the same methods as Tyranus. Tyranus being the same person who thinks of spells Sorzus Syn considered complex as "lesser arts".

Vader is more than capable of negating any Sith magic with his own vast plethora of knowledge and skill in said field.

With regards to lightning, Vader already has insolators in his suit to combat that, plus considerable Force defenses to counter that. Sure, powerful enough electricity can short-circuit his armor, but Kun lacks any lightning feats on par with Starkiller, much less Darth Sidious, both of whom needed prolongued bursts of lightning to overpower Vader's suit.



Jensaarai video as a source, huh? His fight against Roan Shryne was 19 BBY Vader, who was yet to fully adapt to his suit or develope his lightsaber form. This is more than 20 years before his prime, by which point he's definitely not going to be stopped just by "unpredictable" fighting methods. Besides being unorthodox, you're going to need to be more skilled, which I doubt Exar is.

Yeah, I haven't read a lot of the comics and shit regarding Vader, which I know really expand on his abilities. I concede there.

Can you prove that Sidious needed prolonged bursts of lightning though? Is it a direct statement or inferred?

Ehhhhh I remember watching the video a while ago, but forgot to remember that Vader was 4 weeks old into his suit.

I would support Kun if it wasn't for AP's shitty laundry soiling everything in sight.