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Yes you are free: you are free to watch television - thirty channels
and more of mindless crap which close down your sense of infinity
and fred you illusions of what you should do, be and think. You have
the freedom to press the zappa button and choose any one of them.
Oh what a joy to live in the land of freedom. You are free to watch the
news and see journalists and correspondents telling you, mostly without
question, the official explanation of events - explanations designed to
ensure that you see the world in the desired fashion and react in the
desired way. Ladies and gentlemen, repeat after me... I am free... I am
free. Yes! yes! yes! You are free to do as we tell you; free to think as
we tell you; free to live as we tell you. And you are even free to die as
we tell you in the wars coldly created to destroy, control and
manipulate.
The human race is free?
No, no, no.
The human race is a herd.

is it asking too much to post credits for whoever wrote that?

oh hello pvs
guess who wrote it

David Icke

lol yeah

Hmmmm...I like it!! Not sure who wrote it, but I've read much like it..
Is it a kabbala teaching? It could be from many sources...

If you want to be free, stop living a lie. Stop denying yourself. You
are a unique aspect of all that exists, the sum total of all your unique
experiences since you first became cC)nscious an infinity ago. That is
a reason to be joyous. There is no aspect of consciousness in all creation
that is like you. You are special, as everyone is equally special. But
instead of being joyous and proud of that specialness, we have allowed
our uniqueness to become something to fear. Oh my God!
Because we fear being ourselves, we are uncomfortable when anyone
around us decides to evacuate the Hassle-Free Zone and express their
uniqueness. Their dash for mental and emotional freedom makes a
statement about us and our own mental and emotional prison. People

so there u have it

Most people are like sheep..they would rather listen to what others say then find out the truth themselves...Are they lazy or just enjoy being ignorant?

probably a bit of both

Excuse me! But here in the good ol' US of A we have 130
channels of mindless crap, not 30! So there!

And what's a "zappa button"? Frank or Dweezil?

maybe he has an issue with Sheik Yerbouti

Here's some more of David Icke's view on the world...The most powerful people in the world are actually shape-changing lizards from another planet!

He's a good, reliable source that's for sure! Ffrrp.

besides Zappa he must have thing with Jim Morrison as well, lizard king and all...........maybe they dropped the same type of acid

Do you mean this 'Deano' character or David Icke?

do u agree on what ive posted or not..dou agree with that particular view on the world??.....and why do u have to change the subject to reptilians? yes we have got your point
i think icke is right on what he says

Icke

asks the one who bring a conspiracy theory into every other thread

Deano... do you want to do anything to change this? Let me help you.

There are probably three things you can do in this situation:

1.) Become the savior, round up as many people as you can, and protest this mind-controlling, herd-rasing, demonic force to prevail as a free people once more

2.) Kill yourself

or
3.) Just remain a part of the herd and shut the hell up about it. you are not the only one that feels this way, because people have been living for nigh on to six milleniums before you popped out into the world.

You would probably like the first one, though

what kind of humors me is people like Icke who thinks everybody else is a blind sheep who follow the rest of the bunch, not aware of a thing around you. But themself they see as people who understand the real truth. Well maybe if Icke had really understood the truth then he would have known that he would be best fitted in a padded room with white coated people to take care of him.

Originally posted by Lemonade Whiz
Deano... do you want to do anything to change this? Let me help you.

There are probably three things you can do in this situation:

1.) Become the savior, round up as many people as you can, and protest this mind-controlling, herd-rasing, demonic force to prevail as a free people once more

2.) Kill yourself

or
3.) Just remain a part of the herd and shut the hell up about it. you are not the only one that feels this way, because people have been living for nigh on to six milleniums before you popped out into the world.

You would probably like the first one, though

whats your suggestion then???????????

My suggestion.

Let me put to you this way on an eye-to-eye level.

I don't give a damn about this, dude. If I'm considered a "sheep", then so be it. If I'm considered "manipulated" and "led by the hand every flippin' step I take", the so be it, too.

I'm not going to sit here and listen to you trying to inform me of something that is nonsensical and a pointless waste of time. Maybe you should come to grips with this and submit yourself to it.

For a straightforward answer, #3 is my choice. It falls on nobody's shoulders to change this little predicament you've encased your butt in. You can't change this misfortune, because higher, smarter, and extremely wealthier and powerful people will tear you apart and render your ashes over the fire. You cna't kill yourself, because people love you and why would you want to do that anyway?

Now where's your smart comment to this, bub? I know you got one brewing.

There's nothing wrong with calling ignorant people sheep! That's why the world is in the state it is...No one cares enough to do anything about anything!! And the activists always get slammed! In other words your saying...screw you..shut up and let me finish watching the game on TV.

Sometimes people need a big slap in the face with reality to wake up.

Yes many people know this, and yes they don't do anything about it.

STUPID SHEEP

Too blunt Lemonade Whiz, but some good points though.


Deano, Icke brings up how people's fears are used to in
effect brainwash them, but isn't Icke doing the same thing?
Isn't he also using fear, here the fear of being controlled
by a malevalent elite that treats one like sheep to a
slaughter, in order to get you to follow him and his views?

It wouldn't be the first or last time someone used the
people's fear of something, in order to bring about that
very same thing. An example is how the Bush govt.
uses the american people's fear of Al-Qaida coming over
and destroying american freedom, in order to implement
policies and laws that erode those very same freedoms.


Furthermore, I think while Icke makes plenty of great
points on the state of humanity today, I think he greatly
exaggerates the extent of this sheep-ization as it is.

I think people who are astarving in Africa are a little
bit preoccupied to be brainwahsed by anybody. I'm sure
if their problems ever went away, such as war and
hunger and disease, they would be among the least
brainwashed, and most normal descent people in the
world today, simply because they have escaped the
effects of the modern Western tv-centric/porn-obsessed,
junk food-devouring, money-worshipping culture.

This might sound kinda bad...But I think people anywhere can do better for themselves...even Africa, if they really wanted to.

Originally posted by Lemonade Whiz
My suggestion.

Let me put to you this way on an eye-to-eye level.

I don't give a damn about this, dude. If I'm considered a "sheep", then so be it. If I'm considered "manipulated" and "led by the hand every flippin' step I take", the so be it, too.

I'm not going to sit here and listen to you trying to inform me of something that is nonsensical and a pointless waste of time. Maybe you should come to grips with this and submit yourself to it.

For a straightforward answer, #3 is my choice. It falls on nobody's shoulders to change this little predicament you've encased your butt in. You can't change this misfortune, because higher, smarter, and extremely wealthier and powerful people will tear you apart and render your ashes over the fire. You cna't kill yourself, because people love you and why would you want to do that anyway?

Now where's your smart comment to this, bub? I know you got one brewing.

yeh i have got one brewing
if you choose number 3 then u are weak..but i suppose you and everyone else has no choice...thats the way most people are in this world..they dont give a shit...if u have kids..what kinda future will u leave for them..(microchipping,global fascism)but what can we do about it?well i suppose the whole human race could wake up and stand together and unite..but no we would rather fight each other.. ...
and u dont have to sit here and listen to me trying to inform you..im not making you.. you make your own decisoins in this world mate...go on about ure life and ignore it..thats up to you..some people may want to listen though...but of course they are all idiots wasting thier time..why should we care huh..

Originally posted by King Burger
Too blunt Lemonade Whiz, but some good points though.


Deano, Icke brings up how people's fears are used to in
effect brainwash them, but isn't Icke doing the same thing?
Isn't he also using fear, here the fear of being controlled
by a malevalent elite that treats one like sheep to a
slaughter, in order to get you to follow him and his views?

It wouldn't be the first or last time someone used the
people's fear of something, in order to bring about that
very same thing. An example is how the Bush govt.
uses the american people's fear of Al-Qaida coming over
and destroying american freedom, in order to implement
policies and laws that erode those very same freedoms.


Furthermore, I think while Icke makes plenty of great
points on the state of humanity today, I think he greatly
exaggerates the extent of this sheep-ization as it is.

I think people who are astarving in Africa are a little
bit preoccupied to be brainwahsed by anybody. I'm sure
if their problems ever went away, such as war and
hunger and disease, they would be among the least
brainwashed, and most normal descent people in the
world today, simply because they have escaped the
effects of the modern Western tv-centric/porn-obsessed,
junk food-devouring, money-worshipping culture.

why would icke want to brainwash you..or scare you? what would he gain? all he wants to do is wake people up....i respect the work he does..even though most people call him a nutter..but he never gives up..he speaks his mind..he aint afraid to voice his true feeling..unlike most people and they know who they are ...even if u think he might be talkin through his ass this whole time...he'd still fight on and on...i believe the stuff he sez about population mind control, microchippin, and one world goverement..i belive these things are a possibility..

ya lousy smunts

live and be free..as free as the wind
escape from the prison you are all in

Actly we are not as free as we think we are.JM

too true

we think we are free

anyone else who aint read it...feel free

LISTEN TO THIS GUY..... EVERYTHING HE SAYS IS TRUTH.... I SHOULD KNOW BECUASE I HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING THE GLOBAL CONSPIRACY FOR 2 UEARS NOW.

ALSO, I WAS LIKE YOU LOT.... DIDENT BELEIVE IT UNTILL I ACTUALLY R E A D A B O O K O N I T !

Originally posted by Deano

i think icke is right on what he says


you think david icke is right about effin everything. seriously though i hope your phase of love of copy/paste and david icke passes soon.

Deano its halarious watching you post,
You claim everyone else is a sheep and blind to all the problems, yet you believe, unabashadly, every conspiracy theroy you come across...
Bit hypocritical ain't it?

whats a conspiracy?

the stuff that i posted on this thread is pretty much true..its not a conspiracy
its a outlook on humanity as an whole..have u even read it
cant u see it

i dont believe every conspiracy either

I'm gonna add a reply here trying not to sound like an idiot, you'll have to excuse me if I do. Most of this was a wasted discussion with a very good friend.
How the hell do I begin this.. ok straight in with two feet i think.
Yes the world is brainwashed (if thats what you want to call it)

From the day we are born we are taken by the hand and shown the way to go.
Our parent raise us according to their beliefs of the best way to raise a child.
We are then sent to school, where we are taught the a country wide accepted syllabus.
If you are religious then you are taken to church and taught morality and a version of how the world was brought in to being.
We go through our education learning widely accepted facts and theories, and on this some will choose a profession.
We then begin our adult life, where we collect information and experiences.

cont...

We do a job to maintain a way of life that we find suitable (or not as many unfortunate cases prove). The majority of the money we earn is filtered back into the country where we live through tax. Be it income tax, tax on sales, tax on accommodation etc..
The governments spend this money on stabilising the countries, providing us with life's essential commodities. They will also spend the money on the countries interests, expansion, development, war, whatever.

My thought train has been well and truely derailed at the moment, I had to go supervise a class. Damn work...

Right.. here we go again..
Throughout our adult life we collect a monumental amount of experience and information. Theories that are different to those we learned were correct or accepted at school, beliefs that are different to our own, etc.
Younger life conditioning begins to fade away, giving you your own identity.

nice input sethcx

Damn this post is going forever..

You create your own theories on what is real and what is not. thus you break the conditioning of youth. Not all do, but a large majority do. Just read the board and see how many different opinions you find.

Somethings are universally accepted tho.

Killing is bad, this is conditioning. The animal instinct that resides in everyone of us will attempt to over-ride this moral should you find yourself seriously threatened. Moral boundries are conditioning, the majority of which come from religion.

Now for anyone to say this kind of conditioning is a bad thing is insane. Without a system of laws and morals the civilised world would no longer exist.

I guess what i'm saying is everyone is conditioned, but is this a bad thing? Where do you draw the line? An intelligent person will make their own decisions based on ideas and facts that they see as correct. With that said, what can you do about it? sorry, more to come..

I'm actually really embaressed at the length of this.. I will stop soon. I promise!

What can be done about this conditioning? What should be done about it? If the world really is completely controlled by the government what can you do? What is freedom?

Really the government does run your life. It sets the taxs, it builds the houses, it brings goods into the country that you want or need. Without it we'd be living on whatever is native to our land. Take it away, and we'd be doing the same. This is no conspiracy, this is the way it is..
Governments have their own agendas, no doubt, but to automatically assume they are evil is wrong. These people were brought up in the same conditioned atmosphere as we were remember.

I find conspiracy theories idiotic in the large part, overactive imaginations mostly. Then again, that is the best kind of freedom. In your own mind. If your happy in yourself, who cares, thats what counts.

Just dont shove it down everyones throats!

im not shoving anything....

you have so many threads posted about the same crap.... id say thats more than shoving

David Icke is an idiot when it comes to a great many things (shape-changing lizards and etc), but he's largely right in this case. I've thought about this before, however, and there is one big problem: I can do anything I want, yes... But there are a number of things that would result in me going to jail or worse. Which I don't want. I disregard the law in some cases, but I'm not going to go kill anybody on impulse just because I physically can. I could stop going to work and do whatever I wanted all day, but that would result in me not being able to pay the bills, the rent, or my taxes.

So in short, I COULD do a lot of things, but I won't, because many of them wouldn't end well. I certainly won't limit my train of thought. But I'm not going to drop out of society because some guy says I'm a slave for not doing so.

Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
you have so many threads posted about the same crap.... id say thats more than shoving

such as?

this thread, the one about world wars, and the two or three threads dedicated to david icke

and i wouldnt be suprised if there are more that im overlooking

all different..but they all some how relate to the same thing