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they are both told about the others abilities but get no prep time other than that........ whadaya think?

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Skrull's invisibility helps him

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"Neither side may take any offensive or defensive actions before the starting bell. Planning is allowed and powers that are automatic or 'always on' can be up, but actions such as setting up forcefields, taking flight, or consciously activating powers is not.'

So Super-Skrull cannot be invisible at the start of the battle. By the time Super-Skrull's brain electrodes reach the neurons to turn his invisibility, the Flash has already beaten him.

Super-Skrull also has access to Sue's force fields. He can trap Flash within one.

With his elasticity, Super-Skrull can withstand thousands of Flash's punches.

so he can wait until after Flash attempts to attack him and then he'll turn invisible

Originally posted by Draco69
Forum Rules:

"Neither side may take any offensive or defensive actions before the starting bell. Planning is allowed and powers that are automatic or 'always on' can be up, but actions such as setting up forcefields, taking flight, or consciously activating powers is not.'

So Super-Skrull cannot be invisible at the start of the battle. By the time Super-Skrull's brain electrodes reach the neurons to turn his invisibility, the Flash has already beaten him.

then flash starts at a standstill and has to think before he runs, Super Skrull's body will still be as malleable as Mr Fantstic but tough as the Thing so he can take a few hits before activating force field, flying or turning invisible.... it only takes him a thought to bring up a skintight shield

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Super-Skrull also has access to Sue's force fields. He can trap Flash within one.

With his elasticity, Super-Skrull can withstand thousands of Flash's punches.

Good Luck trapping the Flash. His forcefields require conscious thought followed by action. Flash is faster than both. The Flash is as good as invisible.

A thousand normal punches? Sure. A thousand "high velocity punches" No.

Take away his air.
Shut down his neural impulses with Speed Force energy.
Vibration.
Sonic shockwaves. etc.

lol. Okay - he's gonna WAIT for the Flash?

When you turn on a flashlight - do you have to wait beam to start moving away from you....?

Invisiblity - Flash goes and grabs a millio nbuckets of flour from a flour mill and blankets the area - job's a good un.

Forcefield??? Flash can smack Skrull a nice few times before Skrull could THINK of putting up a forcefield.

Elasticity??? Hmm... toughie.

Originally posted by Tormentor_2004
so he can wait until after Flash attempts to attack him and then he'll turn invisible

The Flash thinks, reacts, and acts at near-lightspeed. He'll already have clobbered Super-Skull before his brain registers the attacks.

Originally posted by Scoobless
then flash starts at a standstill and has to think before he runs, Super Skrull's body will still be as malleable as Mr Fantstic but tough as the Thing so he can take a few hits before activating force field, flying or turning invisible.... it only takes him a thought to bring up a skintight shield

Flash is faster than thought. Forcefields require thought. The Flash thinks at lightspeed.

Malleablity nor toughness means nothing to the Flash's actions. Superman has gotten knocked out by a lightspeed attack by the Flash. A blast from Cyclops hurt Mr. Fantastic's malleable form, a attack from the Flash would do worse.

Originally posted by Draco69
Flash is faster than thought. Forcefields require thought. The Flash thinks at lightspeed.

Malleablity nor toughness means nothing to the Flash's actions. Superman has gotten knocked out by a lightspeed attack by the Flash. A blast from Cyclops hurt Mr. Fantastic's malleable form, a attack from the Flash would do worse.

Human thought. Super Skrull is not human. I doubt Flash thinks at lightspeed. It is taxing for him to achieve light speed, and when he does, he enters the speedforce dimension. His thought may be extremely accelerated, but it cannot be lightspeed.

From what I have seen, Flash does not have the ability to shut down neurological function, or vibrate through an enemy, destroying him. Perhaps the writers are writing him within the parameters of his ability.

I have never seen Mr. Fantastic damaged by Cyclops, but regardless, Super Skrull is far more durable. He has the Thing's superhuman durability as well.

Flash can perform about 100 good punches in a second. He certainly cannot perform 1000 HVPs before Super Skrull reacts by placing him in a forcefield.

when did a blast from cyclops hurt mr fantastic...he jus blasted him in X4 #3...mr fantastic wrapped up nightcrawler and cyclops blasted him to KO nightcrawler...richards said it tingled when he shot him...but it didnt cause any damage

SS could wrap himself in a field, put a massive field around the entire area.... which flash wouldn't know about as it is invisible then perform a nova blast...... or just continously constrict the larger field

Keep in mind, Flash's speed starts out at around 190 mph. He must accelerate thus forth. He cannot achieve near light speeds after taking one step.

Thought travels at about 65mph. Who has farther to go? Flash, or a neurological impulse?

well if thats the case i wonder why he isnt more effective in the DCU

For the record, Flash has never knocked out Superman. In recent JLA comics, Flash has not been fast enough to escape Power Ring's (anti-gl) force fields. As far as I have seen, he hasn't used any tricks such as taking away an opponents air, shutting down neural impulses with Speed Force energy, or sonic shockwaves. This leads me to believe that he does not possess the ability to do so,

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Human thought. Super Skrull is not human. I doubt Flash thinks at lightspeed. It is taxing for him to achieve light speed, and when he does, he enters the speedforce dimension. His thought may be extremely accelerated, but it cannot be lightspeed.

From what I have seen, Flash does not have the ability to shut down neurological function, or vibrate through an enemy, destroying him. Perhaps the writers are writing him within the parameters of his ability.

I have never seen Mr. Fantastic damaged by Cyclops, but regardless, Super Skrull is far more durable. He has the Thing's superhuman durability as well.

Flash can perform about 100 good punches in a second. He certainly cannot perform 1000 HVPs before Super Skrull reacts by placing him in a forcefield.

Alien thought. Human thought. Who's to say the Skrull thinks faster? He certainly can think at near lightspeed.

During the DC One million saga, the JLA were in possession of strategy engine, a supercomputer from the 853rd century that devised strategies at a billion per second. The Flash worked the strategy device because he could think at that level. The strategy engine failed. Why? Because the machine couldn't keep up with the Flash. It literally crashed. That's how fast the Flash thinks.

Taxing for him to reach the speed of light? Not nearly. To exceed, yes. But certainly not at the speed of light. He travels at the speed of light constantly. Especially after he entered the Speed Force dimension to defeat the the Black Flash (he became even faster).

Mr. Fantastic wrapped a possessed Nightcrawler/Invisible Woman hybrid in X-4. He ordered Cyclops to blast him to immobilize Kurt. He blasted Mr. Fantastic with the hybrid inside and actually hurt Mr. Fantastic more than he intended.

Super-Skrull has the Thing's durability and Mr. Fantastic's malleability. It doesn't protect him much from the Flash. Zoom (with powers similar to the Flash) hit WW with one punch at near-lightspeed in Wonder Woman #214. One punch sent WW from New York suburbs to Paris, France in under two seconds. Another sent her to Egypt. Another sent her to China's Great Wall. Finally Zoom hit her hard enough to cross the Pacific Ocean and North America to Themyscira (parked 200 miles outside The Carolinas). This battle lasted for about two minutes. Super-Skull cannot stand up to such an assault. WW couldn't even react to Zoom despite her own superspeed and reflexes.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Keep in mind, Flash's speed starts out at around 190 mph. He must accelerate thus forth. He cannot achieve near light speeds after taking one step.

Thought travels at about 65mph. Who has farther to go? Flash, or a neurological impulse?

It doesn't. In a recent JLA comic, the Flash was in Washington DC trying to stop a nuclear mission plant from launching any missiles. A nuclear missile struck a city with a population of 200,000 people in South Korea. AFTER the explosion happened, the Flash left North America, traveled to South Korea, evacuated every man, woman, and child in the city to a respectable distance of three miles and managed to grab their belongings as well. That's how insanely fast he is.

from the looks of what Zoom did to WW, Flash should have been able to demolish Doomsday, yet he didnt...Superskrull is much more dynamic than just a strong guy, or girl in WW's case...I still think his powers would shut down flash.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
For the record, Flash has never knocked out Superman. In recent JLA comics, Flash has not been fast enough to escape Power Ring's (anti-gl) force fields. As far as I have seen, he hasn't used any tricks such as taking away an opponents air, shutting down neural impulses with Speed Force energy, or sonic shockwaves. This leads me to believe that he does not possess the ability to do so,

Yes he has. A Ecilpso-Superman. He stole his speed and knocked him out with a lightspeed punch.

The Flash can simply run around his opponent really fast creating a vacuum to suck out all the air from an opponent. Even Quicksilver can do it.

The Flash shutdown an opponent's (Dr. Light) neural impulses by actually temporarily stealing speed from the neural impulses for a picosecond rendering him unconscious.

It's extremely easy for the Flash to make sonic shockwaves. In JLE #6, he snapped his fingers and knocked out a superhuman with a mini sonicboom. Imagine what a clap or a hundred claps can do.

I mean no offense, CC but from your previous posts on this and other threads it seems you base your arguments solely on the recent JLA vs. Crime-Syndicate storyline and the starnet-database which is severely outdated (90's). You should read some of his comics. I recommend the Geoff Johns storylines and the Mark Millar storylines. It shows how powerful he can be.

Originally posted by Wynndar
from the looks of what Zoom did to WW, Flash should have been able to demolish Doomsday, yet he didnt...Superskrull is much more dynamic than just a strong guy, or girl in WW's case...I still think his powers would shut down flash.

The Flash was recovering from an assault from Reverse-Flash that nearly killed him. He was extremely weakened. Nearly every character capable of defeating Doomsday was IMO (Martian Manhunter, Dr. Fate), weakened (WW, the Flash) or dead. It covered up the holes for the authenticity of Superman's death.

SuperSkrull is dynamic. But not dynamic enough for the Flash. Plus he's nowhere near as invulnerable. He cannot react to guy moving at near-lightspeed. Not many people can. Skull certainly cannot. He would be moving in slow-motion to the Flash.

the invisibilty and invisible shields make up for his comparitive "slowness" though...... Fash could smack into a force field at full speed and have no warning it was there, while also having no warning that he was in an enclosed and constricting battlefield

Skrull only has to fly up and the Flash would be essentially ineffective.