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Hello all,

A couple of years ago, I was asked to make a short, 10 minute speech in English class on anything that I liked. And so, naturally, 007 came to mind ...

Whilst doing some research for it, I read something rather interesting. According to some magazine tie-in for Bond 20, Bond was actually KILLED in one of Fleming's novels {in "you only live twice", I think}, and then brought back as a zombified hitman in another {which I believe was "TMWTGG"}; apparantly, like Bond being widowed, it was a sign of Fleming's boredom with the character. Is this true? Can any literate-minded JB fans help me out? Thanks.

Ahnold

It was actually his clone.

Sort of true. Ian Flemming "killed" Bond at the end of "You Only Live Twice." He apparently actually intended to end the franchise there, but ended up changing his mind (shades of Sherlock Holmes). We learn in "The Man With the Golden Gun" that Bond survived, but was captured by the enemy. He was brainwashed by them, and TMWTGG begins with him being sent back to England kill M. He fails, and is captured by his own people, who deprogram him.

Originally posted by Gregory
Sort of true. Ian Flemming "killed" Bond at the end of "You Only Live Twice." He apparently actually intended to end the franchise there, but ended up changing his mind (shades of Sherlock Holmes). We learn in "The Man With the Golden Gun" that Bond survived, but was captured by the enemy. He was brainwashed by them, and sent back to kill M. He fails, and is captured by his own people, who deprogram him, and he is sent by M to kill another badguy, which he does.

Thanks Greg! Say - that plot would probably make a pretty good Bond movie in itself ...

I wonder why the magazine tie-in said that he came back as a "zombie" then. Perhaps they were talking metaphorically ...

In that case, was "TMWTGG" the last Bond novel Fleming ever wrote?

Originally posted by Reborn Again
It was actually his clone.

Are you just guessing there? 'Cos what Greg said disagrees with that ...

Originally posted by Ahnold
In that case, was "TMWTGG" the last Bond novel Fleming ever wrote?

Yes. Actually, Fleming died before he could finish it; it was completed by another, unknown author (but the stuff I mentioned happened in the beginning of the book, so that was Fleming).

Wow. I never knew that. Does it sound really disjointed then {because of the input of two authors}?

I didn't think so, although it's been a while since I've read it. Looking around the internet, it looks like Fleming actually died after writing the rough draft, which was than edited by someone else, so it wouldn't be disjointed--the story is all Fleming's, if the writing isn't. It's one of my favorite books, but a lot of other people seem to really hate it.

wow,... never knew that one greg

guess "zombie" works in some way of the word

erm..zombie is not only a alive-deadman but it is also used to express the state of mind...that someone's brainless....as if..empty..with no feelings/soul/brain

see, I was right

yeah.. guess so

damn straight

it is that part when i praise you?

*checks script*
yeah, it says right here... but this isn't the latest version that I got

they didn't send me this scene at all, can you imagine?

perhaps they thought you had it already?

possible... or they though that my part is so unimportant that as well i can have no script

but this scene is with you

i know. but they've forgot about me

perhaps you're getting fired soon?

i need this jobcry

go find a new one now you still have time

no i don't.

but if you don't, you won't have money anymore

someone will have to give me some then

get a job

i don't have tme for it

is this true???

yes it is. it was zombie

like the song

in your head?

well, it's not on the computerscreen

that would be strange.

is this true???

no it is not cry

but the thread says she is

who do you mean by 'she'?

thread isn't female?

in polish it's male...

cause it can't go bitchy?

i guess it can....
but we have genders of words... as german der/die/das, but here it depends from the word ending... eg. when it ends with 'a' it is usually female, with 'o' usually neutrum, and with 'k,d,m' etc usually male

like latin

exactly.

that's true

that's bad?

nah

good then

just as long as we agree on the topic

of course

so it wasn't true

depends what you understand by truth

that thing

which one?

So is it true? Uh huh, pretty much. Case closed ...

Originally posted by Reborn Again
It was actually his clone.

Would've been an interesting idea, eh? No, I am kidding! G is correct.

RA... that's not funny how come I suddenly have the feeling that we'll see Bond getting cloned in CR?

okay... wasn't the cloning thing done before?

When???

i remember scene..
some house in mountains and a cloning mashine there...
and he went into it and got cloned and later the clones had disappeared

an operation, yes, but not cloning ...I think

so how am i remember that scene?

Are we still talking about James Bond here???

yeah

we are.
and there was a bald guy too!!!!

and i'm sure it was a bond movie.

Originally posted by Clovie
I remember the scene:

Some house in the mountains with a cloning machine. And he went into it and got cloned and later the clones had disappeared

When did THAT happen in a Bond movie???

when i was younger

Originally posted by Clovie
we are.
and there was a bald guy too!!!!

and i'm sure it was a bond movie.
Blofeld?

Blofeld got a double once in DAF yeah, but not a clone

there was a lot of him and then bond clonned himself too so he could better fight with him

yeah... you saw Casino Royal, the spoof I believe

really? it was ages ago.

did it had Woody Allen?

i don't think so.

perhaps it was austin powers?

i haven't seen those.

then it must be the spoof

Woody Allen WAS in "Casino Royale" ...

And Austin Powers didn't feature cloning. Clovie, you must have seen "CR" ...

Might you be thinking a distorted version of DAF? In the beginning Bond killed one of Blofeld's clones by throwing him into a vat of hot clay and turning up the heat. Perhaps that's what you mean?

Originally posted by yerssot
then it must be the spoof i don't know.

Originally posted by Ahnold
Woody Allen WAS in "Casino Royale" ...

And Austin Powers didn't feature cloning. Clovie, you must have seen "CR" ... but i thoguht they didn't make it yet cry


Originally posted by Reborn Again
Might you be thinking a distorted version of DAF? In the beginning Bond killed one of Blofeld's clones by throwing him into a vat of hot clay and turning up the heat. Perhaps that's what you mean? i don't think it would be thaat... it was longer scene. and there was that clonning machine!!!

Of course they haven't made the updated "CR" yet! I'm talking about the old 1967 spoof starring David Niven and Woody Allen {which I haven't seen} ...

and there was clonning? coz i have no idea if it was that or not..

it can ONLY be the spoof then

ok.
aparently i've seen CR

yes, as said: the spoof of '67

it is very very weird..
i wasn't even born in 67 cry

helloooooooooooooo videotapes

what? where? who?

i've seen it in TV

same ol'

it was rather new that time

in the sixties yes

i didn't watch it in sixties
if i remember correctly bond-movies were prohibited here that time

yeah, oh drads that communism

i'm serious.
they said it is capitalistic {somecrap word}....same as cocacola btw

damn straight, cause as always the russians were the enemy

nonono...the nato was the enemy.
and capitalism was evil.

and that got of course a lot of propaganda in the movies

but it showed the brits and americans as good ones. and Mi6 was the enemy

it never showed russia as the bad guys though, mostly it was SPECTRE or a raving lunatic

erm.... *points living daylights* wasn't the guy escaping from kgb?

yeah, but it was still a set-up for Brad Withaker and himself

and for me aparently. i really thought kgb was hunting them

it was a cover up

so who was the real enemy there?

themselves

mi6?

no, that defecting KGB agent and Brad

oh.... i remember now.

or see the movie again

i even have it

see it again then

maybe after weekend.

why not now?

coz no.

good reason

i know.

is this true?

yes

it's the topic

i know

it's ontopic even

coz it is truth

we can conclude this topic then

sure

closed

closing ?

it's not working cry

that can be done dev

Originally posted by Clovie
closing ?

is with no question mark, Clovie... like this:

closing