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This is...a vast quantity of fecal matter slung at John Q. There is no reason why tax dollars should ever go to fund something like this. Contrary to popular belief, it is NOT a civil rights issue. At all.

What do you all think of this?

Waste of tax money. Very upset. People who want sex changes should do so with THEIR money. Not ours.

Agreed, utter bullshit. They want to cut their dicks off, use their own money.

I also agree. I don't want to pay for it, just like I don't like paying for other things. I also wouldn't want to pay for someone else's abortion.

What is the country turning into, Socialism?

Originally posted by FeceMan
This is...a vast quantity of fecal matter slung at John Q. There is no reason why tax dollars should ever go to fund something like this. Contrary to popular belief, it is NOT a civil rights issue. At all.

What do you all think of this?

I had to pay for my own chemo...

weigh them up... chemo? sex change? chemo? sex change? which is worth more?

simple decision...

I can see why public-funding of hormone therapy and sex reassignment surgery may be necessary in some instances.

For example, denying a transgendered prisoner hormone therapy because it is not medically necessary can be construed as cruel and unusual punishment.

In Canada, a transgendered man or woman cannot change his or her sex on any legal documents without a certificate of completion of sex reassignment surgery from the practicing doctor. This forces transgendered men and women to decide between being honest about his or her birth sex and facing discrimination, or being dishonest and facing the possibility of being punished for breaking the law.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

For example, denying a transgendered prisoner hormone therapy because it is not medically necessary can be construed as cruel and unusual punishment.



Can't agree with you here babe. I can't say that I agree with the state, and more appropriatly: the people, footing the bill for gender reassignment surgery. If I was born a man that thought I should be a woman, I wouldn't expect my insurance to cover it. Its a huge leap from dental coverage to gender reassignment surgery. It isn't the publics responsability that you were born a man, but feel...or became...a woman.

Originally posted by BackFire
Agreed, utter bullshit. They want to cut their dicks off, use their own money. yes indeedy...

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Can't agree with you here babe. I can't say that I agree with the state, and more appropriatly: the people, footing the bill for gender reassignment surgery. If I was born a man that thought I should be a woman, I wouldn't expect my insurance to cover it. Its a huge leap from dental coverage to gender reassignment surgery. It isn't the publics responsability that you were born a man, but feel...or became...a woman.

The issue of whether a transsexual person is entitled to hormone therapy while in prison has been litigated extensively, based on the established constitutional principle that it is a violation of the Eighth Amendment prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment for prison officials to exhibit "deliberate indifference" to a prisoner's "serious medical needs."

The policy of the U.S. Bureau of Prisons is to provide hormones at the level that was maintained prior to incarceration. Specifically, the policy provides:

It is the policy of the Bureau of Prisons to maintain the transsexual inmate at the level of change existing upon admission to the Bureau. Should determine that either progressive or regressive treatment changes are indicated, these changes must be approved by the Medical Director prior to implementation. The use of hormones to maintain secondary sexual characteristics may be continued at approximately the same levels as prior to incarceration (with appropriate documentation from community physicians/hospitals) and with the Medical Director's approval.

"...to exhibit "deliberate indifference" to a prisoner's "serious medical needs.""

Problem there is that it's not a serious medical need, it's a novelty, at best.

it gets worse than that in the UK...some people have had cosmetic surgery courtesy of the tax payer on the basis that it is not wholly a asthetic issue....

why bother getting a sex change in prison anyway?.. I mean you're gonna get screwed either way

Im not paying for this.

how did this topic come about???
i seriously doubt this will ever happen

I am againt anyone having such an opection it is wrong and it should not be allowed.Also it is a waste of money,JM

Originally posted by BackFire
"...to exhibit "deliberate indifference" to a prisoner's "serious medical needs.""

Problem there is that it's not a serious medical need, it's a novelty, at best.

Imagine a man with an uncomfortable dermatological condition such as exema takes medication to supress it. Once in prison, it is decided that because this condition is considered cosmetic, he will no longer be administered medication to supress it. Forcing him to live the duration of his prison term without this medication would be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

thats different, as exema causes skin to crack open and cause alot of pain. comfort should be accomodated on that level, not "i would feel more comfortable if my genitals were mutilated to look like a woman's".

Ditto.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Imagine a man with an uncomfortable dermatological condition such as exema takes medication to supress it. Once in prison, it is decided that because this condition is considered cosmetic, he will no longer be administered medication to supress it. Forcing him to live the duration of his prison term without this medication would be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

I'd have to agree in this case.

let's find more ways to waste money that could actually be useful like to help people eat.....

if you all havent seen the new southpark episode where mr. garrison gets a sex change, you must

I don't watch south park...don't even know what channel it's on

Originally posted by PVS
if you all havent seen the new southpark episode where mr. garrison gets a sex change, you must

I watched it. Deeply offensive...and absolutely true.

Why should I have to pay good tax money so some pervert in jail can cut his balls off

Well, I agree except I wouldn't put it that grudely...

But I am not going to pay my tax money for some transvestites (or whatever) that want to be a woman.

I want to be tanned!

"Please give me money to my trip to Hawaii!"

I mean come on its not a necicary operation

Yeah. It is not.

besides dont those operations cost a lot?

All I'm saying is...

If they're going to pay to cut a man's junk off.....they should pay to help mine grow!!!

Sing it, sistah!

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Imagine a man with an uncomfortable dermatological condition such as exema takes medication to supress it. Once in prison, it is decided that because this condition is considered cosmetic, he will no longer be administered medication to supress it. Forcing him to live the duration of his prison term without this medication would be considered cruel and unusual punishment.


That's one such case where it would be acceptable, when it is actually a medical need because he'll be in pain without it.

I'm talking about these dipshits who drone "Oh, I'm a woman trapped in a mans body blah blah blah". If they actually NEED the medication, and without it would be in pain and such, then yeah, they should get it. Anything else, hell no.

Originally posted by Napalm
besides dont those operations cost a lot?

dont pretend to not know.
now go get the price quote you requested and let us know

There is no greater friend to the gender benders than The Tex! But they should pay for their non life threatening elective cosmetic surgery with their own money.

*runs away so BF doesn't have an opportunity to hit me with his purse*

Originally posted by PVS
thats different, as exema causes skin to crack open and cause alot of pain. comfort should be accomodated on that level, not "i would feel more comfortable if my genitals were mutilated to look like a woman's".

Originally posted by BackFire
That's one such case where it would be acceptable, when it is actually a medical need because he'll be in pain without it.

I'm talking about these dipshits who drone "Oh, I'm a woman trapped in a mans body blah blah blah". If they actually NEED the medication, and without it would be in pain and such, then yeah, they should get it. Anything else, hell no.

Eczema is a dermatological condition that causes lesions. These lesions take various forms, from rashes and bumps to small fluid-filled pimples and red scaly patches of dry skin. Eczema can be a mild irritation or quite painful.

Eczema is not a health-threatening condition and therefore, treatment for Eczema is not medically necessary. Few would argue however, that a prisoner should be denied treatment for this condition as it would be cruel and or unusual.

For a transgendered person, hormone therapy is a medical treatment for a psychological condition. This condition is not health-threatening and therefore, treatment for this condition is not medically necessary. I would argue however, that a prisoner being denied treatment for this condition would be cruel and or unusual.

I thought the subject of the thread was the actual operations being funded by tax money, not the "hormone therapy" afterwards? I'm not familiar with what hormone therapy is, but if it's that important than let em have it. But as far as funding the actual operation with tax money, no.

Bottom line, in my opinion, I don't feel that I need to pay for a prisoners insurance. However, gender reassignment is hardly the same thing as eczema. However, I do understand the correlation between physical pain and psycological pain. BUT! The luxury of the tax payers footing the bill for me to have my very special no-no spot removed and then become a woman is not a burden with which the public should have to deal. Life is unfair, but which is more unfair? That I want to be a woman and can't afford it, or that people I don't know have to pay for it? If we want to pretend that we are all responsible for how god made us, then we are all taking a position on god...and responsibility for his "mistakes". Wanting public funding for sex change operations is WAY different than wanting equal rights for homosexuals.

This isn't a matter of equal rights. Maybe the public is paying for eczema treatment for prisioners, I'm against that too. As it is, we pay for their cable tv. A luxury that many citizens don't enjoy I might add.

Despite my disgust for Napalm, and people like him, I don't think he should have to pay for a gay man to become a straight woman.

"Eczema can be a mild irritation or quite painful."


Which is more then "transgendered" (also known as crackpots/psychos) would ever suffer.

However, as Afro points out, this is not the topic of discussion. The topic of discussion is actual sex change operation performed at the expense of tax dollar, which is undeniably idiotic. This is infinitely different then some guy with a mutilated dick that's supposed to be a vagina wanting medication so his breats will be big and his voice will be feminine.

Originally posted by BackFire
(also known as crackpots/psychos) would ever suffer.



Not so. Come on man. It doesn't take a crack pot. Despite the fact that I don't understand wanting to cut off your no no spots! You still have to accept AND respect those that do want to commit such an act. They believe it's their nature and calling. Who am I(or those like me) to argure? (Cut it off all you want...you can't turn back. Why be gay unless you want dick?) BUT!...(descisions are descisions. It's all about the person)

BUT IT IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PUBLIC....OR, THE GOVERNMENT THAT REPRESENTS THEM.

What the? The govt. pays for your sex change op?

that's screwed... if ya wanna change you're sex, pay for it yourself

it's like using taxpayers money to makeover my house... well, not really... but you get my point

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I have nothing against the LGBT community and support many of their causes except this one about the taxpayers or insurance paying for a complete sex reassignment surgery due to equality.

I am upset because insurance won't pay for necessary procedures or medication for many of its members (dental, facial deformities from birth or due to an accident, etc..). At my last job I earned $33K a year & I paid $400+ monthly for my single person policy health insurance and I had to pay a $20 copay everytime I saw a doctor but I was declined a root canal so I lost my tooth, I had to pay for my own estrogen medication (I went through early menopause due to an illness) and they would not cover my acne medication because I hit the age of 40, they would not cover treatments for my face to make the burns on my face less visible (I have to pay out of pocket $200 per 15 minute session for the treatment) and this has caused me great distress, humiliation and I have been mistreated and dismissed (by my employers and the public) due to the fact that I work at a job where I have in person contact with the public and they get a little startled when they first see me BUT they will be using the money that I paid into this insurance and my tax dollars to give someone else what I need for my survival, the ability to earn a salary (I was laid off and due to my appearance and my age I have not been able to find a job) and for my mental well being, How is that equality.
So I am not entitled to the services and treatments that I need but if I decide I want to be a man they will pay for the entire surgery, medications, treatment and therapy sessions that I would need for my transformation. WTF

Is the Equality part that they feel they are entitled to are the cosmetic procedures that straight females and males get, paid for by the insurance? Well the insurance does not pay for women to get breast augmentations, butt implants, facial & body hair removal, nose jobs, feminization of the face or voice and they do not provide penile enlargement or testicle replacement, muscle implants to men, so why should they pay for it for a select group of people? That is gender bias against women and men and preferential treatment for the transgender community; if we were all afforded these services then I'd be for it 100% because that would be equality among the sexes.

While I will agree to give them the sex reassignment below the waist and the male/female hormones I will never agree to them getting the elective surgery that they want, they should have to pay for it out of their own pockets like the rest of us.

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
I thought the subject of the thread was the actual operations being funded by tax money, not the "hormone therapy" afterwards? I'm not familiar with what hormone therapy is, but if it's that important than let em have it. But as far as funding the actual operation with tax money, no.

The hormones are the medications that men can take to become feminine and the medications that women take to become masculine. I agree they should get the meds, that's not a big expense, they should also be able to have that lower surgery but none of the cosmetic surgery or permanent hair removal.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I had to pay for my own chemo...

weigh them up... chemo? sex change? chemo? sex change? which is worth more?

simple decision...

I'm completely sympathetic to what you've been through, the insurance should have paid for your life saving therapy.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
All I'm saying is...

If they're going to pay to cut a man's junk off.....they should pay to help mine grow!!!

Me too! I want bigger boobies and to make it even, give me a bigger butt!
OH, I also want permanent hair removal because if they don't want to shave I don't want to either.

This thread is almost 10 years old.

Impressive.

WOW, yeah didn't notice that was not aware of that discussion has been going on for a decade.

Most guys who cut off their dongs end up regretting it after... its true. I had to pay for my new chin so.they should too.

No wonder the avatars looked cooler..10 years 3 pages thats sad really

Riv had one of these free sex changes. It didn't go well for him, I mean look at how ****ed up he is.

There is a serious problem with people affected by the syndrome (too lazy to look up the name right now) where you feel you were born into the wrong gender. In some cases it leads to severe depression and even suicide. So it isn't a totally frivolous procedure.

That said, I'm with PR. There are so many more urgent things that should be publicly funded before we get around to paying for sex changes.

What happens if you regret it later, is reverse surgery publicly funded. Here hold my penis in a jar just in case.

Originally posted by rudester
What happens if you regret it later, is reverse surgery publicly funded. Here hold my penis in a jar just in case.

I don't know about that but they probably will because it is not unheard of that some have changed their mind.

I have read that some of the people who were suicidal because they wanted the surgery, have had the surgery but still commited suicide.