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Could this be the day he passes?

Why do they choose such old peolpe to be Pope?

It's happened before (that he was read the rites), it doesn't necessarily mean he's about to keel over and die.

he had a bad turn today....so thats why they read them to him...it was on the news.

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
Why do they choose such old peolpe to be Pope?

because it takes a lifetime to work your way up through the system at the vatacan. by the time you get to be pope you are older than dirt.

i feel bad about all this, but he is pretty damn old so its not like some huge tragedy. i just hope that when he goes, he goes peacefully and that he will have a worthy replacement. we really need a progressive pope to set a new mark. not that JPII wasnt progressive for his time, but those times are over.

He hasn't been looking so good lately. I did not hear that they read him his last rites...Oh, I almost said read him his rites...Boy that's bizarre.
You have the rite to remain silent...I know..that's bad.

he lead a full life. i'm pretty sure he's contented with the things he did.

Originally posted by rubber dickie
he lead a full life. i'm pretty sure he's contented with the things he did.

Depends on how you define a full life.

We need to have a new pope who will scrap al the pathetic rules that the catholic church imposes. How for example can a pope or a priest lecture on family values when they are not allowed a family of their own? What do they know about normal matters that affect normal families? Maybe we'll get a pope who will refuse to shelter paedophile priests or who will recognise the horrors of the holocaust.

it ill be a sad day when the pope finally does pass away because he is such an inspirational figure in a society full of violence,for someone to be able to maintain their faith with everything we see nowdays is such a great gift,i have had trouble keeping my faith and im getting back on track finally after learning their is still decent people in the world and i will feel terrible when the pope does pass away.

Ah poor guy. I may not believe anything he believes in, but I respect him.

I really respect what he did to end communism in Eastern Europe but as far as his stance on almost every social position, I couldn't disagree more.

I'd hate to have been him.

i may not have faith in the same religion o.O but i still feel sorry for the guy, he could hardly talk or anything and it must have been hard keeping it up all this time and i respect and kind like the idea of his title dies with him and such, he was born in his faith and whent to the highest kinda position, and then it only ends when he does. its kinda, nice. i dunno :s its kinda sweet. meh i dunno if thats all correct but thats what i heard. im not in that religion area so meh i dunno. hes done good for his religion thats all i gotta say really, he followed his dream and got it in the end.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/AnImE_ChAoS2/sigs%20and%20avatars/chaossig.jpg

I dont really follow the popes position on religious and social issues but he seemed like one of the better popes and one that was really down to earth and nice, but from what I have heard i dont think he will make it through the month.

He sure did love his breakdancing...

They don't choose old people they age, he's been the pope for 26 years now......
I respect what he's done to make amends for past mistakes of the church, I respect him overall, it'll be a sad day when he dies.

http://www.biography.always-openlate.com/pope-john-paul-ii.htm

"On 14 March 2004-2005 his pontificate overtook Leo XIII's as the longest in the history of the papacy..."

popes dont usually live very long. because they are old. JP11 was pushing 60 when he became pope.

I hope that the blessings remain with Pope John Paul. I wish him better health and hope that God heals him.

NEWS: the pope has had a heart attack.

i say he wont last too long now...

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
Why do they choose such old peolpe to be Pope?

What? He's been Pope for the last 25 plus or minus years! He hasn't been this old forever!

In fact, despite my beliefs that he talks out of his ass, he is a great man. He has done some pretty fantastic things. I wish half of th epeople who talk shit about him could become half the man he is. Too bad he is trapped by his beliefs. If he cold get passed his religion and people paid any attention to him otherwise, I'm willing to bet he could really have made a difference.

so jump starting him doesnt work anymore?

communism in eastern Europe?, left winged socialism yes and totalitarian socialism, but never communism. There have never been a communist state, attempts on it yes, but no one have ever succeeded.

The old guy has been through a lot, about time he finds peace

gonna give him this though, he is as tough as they come

True, whether you love him or hate him, he is tenacious, has conviction and will be remembered for being tough, and really hanging on. Although I am not in any way close to the Catholic faith, I will be saddened by his passing, when it does come, be it now or in years time. And to be honest I am now really sure to what degree the Cardinals and Bishops waiting in the wings will do, whichever succeeds him. My bet is on the Secretary of State though (Vatican that is so no jokes are made about Rice or anything)

and what could he actually have done?

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
Why do they choose such old peolpe to be Pope?

Because they had lived longer then anyone else and knows what to do.JM

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
Because they had lived longer then anyone else and knows what to do.JM

The wisdom is stupefying,

I think when I am 80 I to could be a Pope. I would be good, noble and wise.

I hope He'll get better soon.

Looks like he's gonna croak:

Pope's Condition Called 'Very Grave'
Pontiff Suffers Momentary Heart Stoppage; Report of Coma Denied
By VICTOR SIMPSON, AP

VATICAN CITY (April 1) - Pope John Paul II was conscious but in ''very grave'' condition Friday after suffering heart failure during treatment for a urinary tract infection, his spokesman said, struggling with emotion.

Joaquin Navarro-Valls told reporters the pope, who was being treated at the Vatican, was ''informed of the gravity of his situation'' and decided to remain in his apartment overlooking St. Peter's Square, where thousands of pilgrims gathered to pray for him.

John Paul, 84, participated in Mass and received some top aides Friday morning, Navarro-Valls said.

''The pope is still lucid, fully conscious and extraordinarily serene,'' Navarro-Valls said. He said the pope had unstable blood pressure and remained in ''very grave'' condition.

John Paul asked aides to read him the biblical passage describing the final stage of the Way of the Cross, the path that Christ took to his crucifixion, Navarro-Valls said. In that stage, according to the Bible, Christ's body was taken down from the cross, wrapped in a linen shroud and placed in his tomb.

Navarro-Valls said the pope followed attentively and made the sign of the cross.

''This is surely an image I have never seen in these 26 years,'' Navarro-Valls said. Choking up, he walked out of the room.

John Paul's health declined sharply Thursday when he developed a high fever brought on by the infection.

On Thursday afternoon, the pope suffered heart failure and a condition called ''septic shock'' during treatment for the infection, the Vatican said Friday, but it denied an Italian news report that he was in a coma.

Thousands of pilgrims gathered on St. Peter's Square to stand vigil for John Paul, many tearfully gazing up at his third-floor window, and people around the world joined in prayer.

The pope received the sacrament for the sick and dying on Thursday evening. Formerly called the last rites, the sacrament is often misunderstood as signaling imminent death. It is performed both for patients at the point of death and for those who are very sick - and it may be repeated.

The Rome daily La Repubblica reported Friday that the sacrament was administered by John Paul's closest aide, Polish Archbishop Stanislaw Dziwisz, who serves as his private secretary. Dziwisz had given the pontiff the same sacrament on Feb. 24 just before the pope underwent a tracheotomy to insert a breathing tube in his throat at the Gemelli Polyclinic hospital, the newspaper said.

Italy's Apcom news agency reported Friday morning that the pontiff had fallen into a coma, but the Vatican dismissed the report.

On Friday, John Paul received several top aides, including the Vatican No. 2, Secretary of State Cardinal Angelo Sodano; undersecretary of state Archbishop Leonardo Sandri; the pope's vicar for Rome, Cardinal Camillo Ruini; his doctrinal chief, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger; the Vatican foreign minister, Archbishop Giovanni Lajolo; and American Cardinal Edmund Szoka, the governor of Vatican City.

The pontiff was attended to in his apartment by the Vatican medical team, and provided with ''all the appropriate therapeutic provisions and cardio-respiratory assistance,'' the Holy See said.

It said the pope was being helped by his personal doctor, two intensive care doctors, a cardiologist, an ear, nose and throat specialist and two nurses.

Heart failure occurs when the heart no longer has the strength to pump blood through the body, and is a sign that the body's cardiac system is failing.

Dr. Paolo Nardini, a Rome physician who is not part of the pope's team, said a heart attack affects only the heart, while heart failure signals a ''breakdown of the entire system, basically uncurable.''

Dr. Peter Weissberg, medical director of the British Heart Foundation, said septic shock ''puts a phenomenal strain on the heart.''

In a statement released Friday, Weissberg said that ''those already suffering from heart disease - including those with heart failure - are even more susceptible to septic shock. Infection triggers a profound loss of blood pressure, depriving organs around the body of their vital blood supply and putting an enormous strain on the heart.''

Even the fittest patients need special care and medicine to survive, he said.

Ruini said he visited John Paul early Friday and found him ''profoundly serene and fully lucid.''

''I prayed with him for a moment which profoundly moved me. Certainly the pope has completely left himself in God's hands. I invite all Romans and Italians to intensify prayers for him in this moment,'' Ruini told private TG5 television.

He asked Italians to pray for John Paul, and said a special Mass for the pope would be held at 7 p.m. at the basilica of St. John Lateran in Rome. The patriarch of Venice, Cardinal Angelo Scola, also planned a Mass in St. Mark Basilica at the same time.

Around the world, people of different faiths joined in prayer for John Paul.

''Catholics, fellow Christians ... will be praying for him at this time as he comes toward the end of his extraordinary and wonderful life,'' said Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, the archbishop of Westminster and one of the most senior Catholic clerics in Britain, speaking to reporters outside London's Westminster Cathedral.

In France, Muslim leader Dalil Boubakeur said Muslims were praying for the pope, describing him as a ''man of peace'' whose stature has been a determining factor for change in the world.

In the pope's home country, Poles flocked to churches as word spread of his deteriorating condition.

''I want him to hold on, but it is all in God's hands now,'' said 64-year-old Elzbieta Galuszko at the church where the pope was baptized in Wadowice, southern Poland. ''We can only pray for him so he can pull through these difficult moments.''

Hospitalized twice last month following two breathing crises, and fitted with a breathing tube and a feeding tube, John Paul has become a picture of suffering.

His 26-year papacy has been marked by its call to value the aged and to respect the sick, subjects the pope has turned to as he battles Parkinson's disease and crippling knee and hip ailments.

It is not clear who would be empowered to make medical decisions for an unconscious pope. The Vatican has officially declined to comment whether John Paul has left written instructions

Oh well. It's his time. Nothing we can really do but wish him good tidings in the afterlife.

or a senile twit

True, true, but there may be meaning to my mad ravings. Still, according to the news here its not looking good, and they are talking of the successor, and apparently the feeling is that the Church doesn't want to elect another young Pope due to having another long papal reign like this one. So it will probably be an older chap. So in a way JM is right, about them being older any way.

people i don't understand why they rape little boy's maybe not the pope but all the people under him like little boy's what's up with that shit i don't know but i hope they get what's coming to em,

eehh what?

my thoughts exactly....wtf?

And the winner of this week's incoherent rambling award goes to.....

Originally posted by neowizard2005
people i don't understand why they rape little boy's maybe not the pope but all the people under him like little boy's what's up with that shit i don't know but i hope they get what's coming to em,

buhbye The pope is in his finaly hours...
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20050401/i/ra1456501491.jpg

man i thought JM was a shoe in.
looks like there's a new sheriff in town

i know...poor guy

cry wonder if he will die today or later this week...

i figured he would die this year though

they are saying the right door or the door of death has closed...

cry

poor poor man. he gave his life to that church...i think he will die tomorrow

why 'poor poor man' ? he led a long life. some people will never be as fortunate as him and even though he is sick is he is still living.

barely living...

wel if it was me i wud prefer dying than living like that

the problem is not that he will die, coz he is suffering a lot.
but what will happen to the world then.

yea no one wants to be incoherent (sp?)

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
Because they had lived longer then anyone else and knows what to do.JM

hysterical ure hilarious JM

Originally posted by neowizard2005
people i don't understand why they rape little boy's maybe not the pope but all the people under him like little boy's what's up with that shit i don't know but i hope they get what's coming to em,

are u out of ure ****ing mind?

Originally posted by Clovie
the problem is not that he will die, coz he is suffering a lot.
but what will happen to the world then.
that's what Ivge been thinking. I mean the christian community is rather large

Originally posted by Morning_Glory
yea no one wants to be incoherent (sp?) no idea

Originally posted by IceWithin
that's what Ivge been thinking. I mean the christian community is rather large and he is inteferring to other commutinies as well.

indeed

cry

You're a catholic MG?

He's on what seems to be his last few minutes...

I will pray for him. I am not catholic by the way but protestant. I still think the Pope is a very holy man.

were about to see just how racsit society really is...i believe that the next pope with be African...no doubt some people will make a big deal of it despite the fact that it wont be the first time there will have been a black pope

I'm christian religion...but it says that he's suffering a lot more now.

Originally posted by jaden101
were about to see just how racsit society really is...i believe that the next pope with be African...no doubt some people will make a big deal of it despite the fact that it wont be the first time there will have been a black pope there is a prophecy about it
that after two towers are destroyed, the black pope will came and then there will be end of the world.

the vatican says tonight christ ill open the doors of heaven for the pope

it is very unfortunate that we are about to lose such an influential person of this era but it is better than living the way he is and i always believed the next pope will be of african american orgin because religion is not confined to one group but instead everyone and yes people will have a problem with it and as far as the prophecy goes that clovie referred too,the world ended a long time ago we have just been too busy to notice it

indeed...a very excellent point

Originally posted by jaden101
indeed...a very excellent point

How is that an excellant point? The world hasnt ended since I am still here typing this post. "the world has already ended, we have just been to busy to notice" is just one of those stupid sayings that make no sence what so ever.

actually "the world has already ended weve just been too busy to notice it"is a true quote,it may not have physically ended but it really ended with the way todays society is and if you truly think about it its more true than you would ever think,just think about it

exactly...what use is a world of selfishness...corporate power rules over personal integrity...everyone would sell their grandmothers for money...we are all swirling down the plug hole and are too busy texting our friend across the table from us to even take notice

ya i hope The Pope goes peacefully, it must really be hard for him having parkinsons and practically bedridden... back in his younger years he was so active and out doorsey. Whoever replaces him will have some big shoes to fill. Hopefully its someone good.

I DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR JPII. I AM CATHOLIC AND I BELIEVE WHEN YOUR TIME COMES IT COMES. I DO HOWEVER FEEL SORRY FOR ALL OF HIS FOLLOWERS WHO HAVE GROWN WITH HIM OVER THE YEARS. I KNOW THAT IF MY GRANDMOTHER WERE ALIVE TODAY SHE WOULD BE VERY UPSET. IT'S A VERY SENSITIVE ISSUE RIGHT NOW AND MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT CATHOLIC DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE CLOSENESS THAT WE DO TOWARD THE POPE AND THE CHURCH. WHEN HE DOES PASS I KNOW THAT WE WILL BE APPOINTED A POPE THAT HAS HIS OWN VIEWS AND A FRESH LOOK AT THINGS. AHHH I'VE SPOKE MY PEACE.

EASY ON THE CAPS LOCK, IT IS REALLY ANNOYING....SEE?

I think I should be the next Pope, I'd really straighten things out

cnn.com

"The clinical picture indicates cardio-circulatory and renal insufficiency. The biological parameters are notably compromised. The Holy Father, with visible participation, is joining the continual prayers of those assisting him."

The Vatican has denied reports in the Italian media that the pope had died.

Thousands of people gathered in St. Peter's Square at the Vatican Friday night for the saying of the rosary. High above the square, lights burned in the papal apartments.

A leading American prelate, Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, archbishop of Washington, said, "...If my information is correct, is that the Holy Father is sinking."

Originally posted by SlipknoT
I think I should be the next Pope, I'd really straighten things out

i recon you would n all

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/AnImE_ChAoS2/sigs%20and%20avatars/chaossig.jpg

Quite ironic.

The Cardinals that have preached and followed his word their whole lives, won't even let him go to meet the guy he's been the spokesman for.

Impending death either does one of two things:

Makes faith or breaks faith.

I think we're seeing what happens.

-AC

The pope is a catholic leader but imo one of the most known people in the world! This is the most high profile death since i believe Diana. I am not catholic but i respect this pope because he tried so hard to make contact with other religions. He is among the most popular people. He attracted over 750,000-800,000 people in Toronto 3 years ago. It will be sad to see him go, and he is easily one of the great popes easily. this is making huge headlines and will be one of the big stories of this year.


He will die with dignity, I think we all agree on that.

do you think he will die tonight or tomorrow - or wil he hang on for another week?

If he survies like this for another day, he is one strong man!

It is sad, but far from the end. He is not the first Pope to pass away. He has left a powerful legacy though, and some big shoes to fill. And in a way I don't think the Pope himself would think this was terribly sad. He dedicated his life to this, and in a way he is heading towards his final reward. So we can be sad, while at the same time being happy for him.

Also there are some groups of religious leaders at the moment who are pretty much ruled out. It is pretty certain, apparently, that there will be no Pope from the US, due to the politics and super power status. I would be happy to see a Black Pope, but I don't really think skin colour is relevant.

has he died ?

yes he died earlier he was a good man and if not the most trust worthy persons on this planet with notority rip

but none of the news stations are saying he has died yet?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/pope

late news though, so its possible he HAS gone now.

well he is still there as of yet

Originally posted by SlipknoT
I think I should be the next Pope, I'd really straighten things out

omg that'd b sooo cool, I'd b made cardinal, right?

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
yes he died earlier he was a good man and if not the most trust worthy persons on this planet with notority rip

source??

usually DrudgeReport.com is super fast source and it doesnt say that he has passed yet....

also none of the other major news sites are saying he is dead yet

nup he is not dead, heaps of the new stations haven't said anything about him passing away.

ok...Im sure it wont be long

yeah I know

Originally posted by ericadurancefan
the vatican says tonight christ ill open the doors of heaven for the pope

it is very unfortunate that we are about to lose such an influential person of this era but it is better than living the way he is and i always believed the next pope will be of african american orgin because religion is not confined to one group but instead everyone and yes people will have a problem with it and as far as the prophecy goes that clovie referred too,the world ended a long time ago we have just been too busy to notice it it didn't end yet



NOTE: Vatican says the the Pope is still alive touched

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/pope

pope losing concisouness (cant spell)

The Pope is still alive though i dont think he will make the day.


Sad, i liked this pope


No other pope like him, even China and Cuba who refuse to let their catholics see the vatican as an authority have expressed concern

The next pope has some big shoes to fill

Originally posted by Mist
Could this be the day he passes? *shrugs* Could be.

so you met them all then?

Well i think he be called one of the greats. Pope john Paul the great?
there is pope Leo the great who stopped Attila the Hun from taking over Rome.

he just passed away. may he go in peace

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4399715.stm

that's sad

Rest in peace.

I just send him an email to wish that he would die without pain...

Rest In Peace.

each and every channel here stopped showing anything, they're jsut black screens, broadcasting masses from vatican or the pope's bios. It's just...

I'm not religious and I still feel sad.

I always liked him, even if I am not religious.

Is really sad - he did some good things in his life. May he find peace in Nirvana.

Awe, that's sad. Rest in peace, he was a good guy

Sad day for some of us.

Could the title of the thread perhaps be changed to reflect the death of Pope John Paul II ?

I heard the next pope is going to be black.

Im not ready to talk about new Popes yet weep

I miss him already

I cant believe he has died


Im hoping that he will appear at the window with a mic and say 'April Fools'


I've used too many sad smilies cry

Rest in Peace Pope.

may the pope rest in peace. As a NON-Christian i still see him as a great man who did great things. This is going to be one big big story.

cry

I'm not catholic but it's sad. He was good, he had done so much for the world so it's a good thing his papacy lasted so long.

Originally posted by KidRock
I heard the next pope is going to be black.

You really piss me off

Well he's where he wanted to be.

Should be sort of happy for him.

-AC

my heart is in sadness on this night with the passing of the pope because im sure we will never see a man like him again

may he rest in peace

cry so sad

no offence to religious people, but i hate all those people saying 'we're alone' and all this crap. sheesh, theyll elect a new one. a few days isnt gonna send you to hell just cause the pope died.

it's a conspiracy. The pope is still alive. He faked his death and went to that deserted island with elvis and 2-pac

I think it takes longer than a few days...

I feel that to post my deepest condolences would be hypocritical as I really was ignorant to him and his Vatican. So I shall just say that I am as sad for his death as I would be for anyone's.

As was I, though he's one of the few christians who didn't piss me off.

Hope he's having fun in heaven, if it exists.

yeah if there is a heaven, he is certainly there.
doubt be will run into many other popes though.

Thanks BF, I wasn't sure if people were going to berate me for my ignorance Religion has never been a great part of my life, although I am culturally inclined

Nah, people who know less about religion are usually better people. People who know too much tend to be cocky and annoying - "I know more about the invisible man in the sky then you do"

dude, so you worship george carlin?

he's a funny guy.

Never really knew who The Pope was...

It's sad to hear... cry

Brush the dust off it's dawn again my friend. Next time you'll get it, next time you'll make amends....

Originally posted by BackFire
Nah, people who know less about religion are usually better people. People who know too much tend to be cocky and annoying - "I know more about the invisible man in the sky then you do"



That's so true! They're usually (and I'm generalising ) extremely patronising and seem to have a complex, of what I can't fathom I consider myself very open minded and love to listen to people's points of view and personal takes on life and faith, but I canot endure having it rammed down my throat

Yep, these are the same people who think of themselves as philosophers because they have read a few writings from plato and took philosophy 101 in junior college.

I know a few christians, they all try to shove thier religion down my throat.

That's when I take out my gun and yell "Back off!" 2guns

Any religion that does not believe in ghosts or the supernatural, I don't want to be a part of.

Originally posted by BackFire
Yep, these are the same people who think of themselves as philosophers because they have read a few writings from plato and took philosophy 101 in junior college.

Yes, totally. To be truly enlightened you have to learn to listen to and appreciate differing opinions. Simple really

To be enligthened you have to not worry about being enlightened.

No offense to anybody, but:
THANK GOD!
The poor Man could barely even move a muscle in his body, not even mentioning that he was probably completely senile....
I'm not glad the Man died because he was a Catholic, no. I'm glad he's dead because of all the pain he must have been feeling in his body for the past 10 years.....it's over for him.

This is the sadest day of my life, pope died 2day

Originally posted by BackFire
To be enligthened you have to not worry about being enlightened.

True. TOO true

I feel we have reached a state of nirvana together, I'm quite moved.

Indeedy doo.

Has he actually died? is he dead? cry

Yes.

He was more open minded than any other religious figure I've seen. I always admired him for that.

cry

I would assume he led a happy and fulfilled life.

Wojtyla

RIP holy dude

i admit i dont really know anything about him, but i hear he was a great man.

and i havnt yet met a religious person whos tried to ram it down my throat, my neighbour is a preist, and hes never tried to push it. ever.

"holy dude"

It's sad that he died, but as Syren said, it would kind of be hypocrital of me to pretend that I am VERY sad, I've heard he was a great man, so I really hope he is well wherever he is, the old man deserves a bit of peace, that I know

yea.... RIP mr pope man..

didn't really know him personally!!

Yep, i think him visiting a mosque really showed he was a different special pope. He visited leaders of the Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, Jewish, and many other faiths. That shows he is different then most Christians who think their religion makes them better then everyone. I think he is respected because he was different type of religious man, especially in the 80d's.

EXACTLY!! thats what i hate, christians or anyone for that matter, thinking that their religion is the only right on and all that crap!

well spidergrl christian is a very big word, you have catholics, anglicans, luterans, etc. and quite frankly they are all very different.
I've met thousands of Catholics (I was raised catholic myself) and most of them are very arrogant with their religion, but I've also met a lot of Catholics who are really open minded to any other religion

well then where i live they must be breeding the arrogant ones!