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It seems that North American culture is obsessed with fame. Both those that are famous, and the desire to become famous. The fact that people actually know the names of, or care as to the exploits of, people like Joey Buttofuoco (sp?), Paris Hilton or any of the other no talent hacks that are polluting the media is disturbing.

Reality T.V. now has "regular appearances" on different shows by people who possess absolutely no talent and are famous for nothing other than being on reality T.V.

You see girls lifting their tops as soon as a camera is put in front of them and guys going to all lengths to complete "jack-ass-like" stunts on video in hopes that it will get on T.V.

Our culture of fame has even produced Killers who want recognition and fame for their exploits. Everybody wants to be a singer, a model or an actor. Most disturbingly are the embarrassing situations that people are willing to put themselves in, or the personal moments that they are willing to expose for a shot at being famous or seen on t.v.

I was just interested in other people's take on this. What would you do for fame? Do you care to be famous? What do you think at others attempts to be famous.

People want to be respected, adored and worshiped. They all want to be setting a trend for someone else. Thats the reality.

Its about the money and such respect when everyone knows who you are. Many girls get to porn business for such reasons and many are exploited.

Its nauseating. The whole such industries are full of false people, false attitude and a trend promoting low self esteem.

Fame?

I hated that programme when I was a kid.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
It seems that North American culture is obsessed with fame. Both those that are famous, and the desire to become famous. The fact that people actually know the names of, or care as to the exploits of, people like Joey Buttofuoco (sp?), Paris Hilton or any of the other no talent hacks that are polluting the media is disturbing.

Reality T.V. now has "regular appearances" on different shows by people who possess absolutely no talent and are famous for nothing other than being on reality T.V.

You see girls lifting their tops as soon as a camera is put in front of them and guys going to all lengths to complete "jack-ass-like" stunts on video in hopes that it will get on T.V.

Our culture of fame has even produced Killers who want recognition and fame for their exploits. Everybody wants to be a singer, a model or an actor. Most disturbingly are the embarrassing situations that people are willing to put themselves in, or the personal moments that they are willing to expose for a shot at being famous or seen on t.v.

I was just interested in other people's take on this. What would you do for fame? Do you care to be famous? What do you think at others attempts to be famous. erm... i have no idea who that first person is


and i think there are someppl in the world who doesn't care about fame

Would I want to be famous? No. I'm certainly not talented enough at anything to be famous for any reason. Stuff like reality TV is bullshit, in my opinion. And besides which, I sure as hell wouldn't want the whole country/world following my every move...sorry, but I like my privacy!

Fame is overrated.

people today are pretty obsessed with fame

for me it'd be interesting to be an actor or something for a while but I would be bored and annoyed quite soon.

I would like to be famous in sports though; not really for the attention but just to be able to play at such a high level of competition- that's my kinda fame

its the same here, oh and mech
"I got more in me
And you can set it free
I can catch the moon in my hands
Don't you know who I am
Remember my name
Fame, I'm gonna live forever
I'm gonna learn how to fly high "

*waves fist in Finti's direction*

Originally posted by KharmaDog
It seems that North American culture is obsessed with fame. Both those that are famous, and the desire to become famous. The fact that people actually know the names of, or care as to the exploits of, people like Joey Buttofuoco (sp?), Paris Hilton or any of the other no talent hacks that are polluting the media is disturbing.

Reality T.V. now has "regular appearances" on different shows by people who possess absolutely no talent and are famous for nothing other than being on reality T.V.

You see girls lifting their tops as soon as a camera is put in front of them and guys going to all lengths to complete "jack-ass-like" stunts on video in hopes that it will get on T.V.

Our culture of fame has even produced Killers who want recognition and fame for their exploits. Everybody wants to be a singer, a model or an actor. Most disturbingly are the embarrassing situations that people are willing to put themselves in, or the personal moments that they are willing to expose for a shot at being famous or seen on t.v.

I was just interested in other people's take on this. What would you do for fame? Do you care to be famous? What do you think at others attempts to be famous.

The weirdest thing I'd do to be famous would be show my butt in a movie I wouldnt do frontal tho...
but yes I'd luv 2 b famous.. the limos... the parties... the crowds....the money!!!
it's all great droolio

Everyone wants their 15 minutes of fame. It's not unusual.

I'm sure everyone would like to be famous, whether they're man enough to accept it or not

Actually I wouldnt. Not in the way of the movie stars or singers or models.

If Id like to be famous Id like it to be because I wrote a good book, came out with a good theory or done something sagnificant for the world as opposed to shaked my ass and took my clothes off.

Besides, what goes up, must come down - such fame fades quickly.

What I mean, is that I think everyone would really like the world to appreciate something/someone () he/she did

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

...as opposed to shaked my ass and took my clothes off.




I'd pay anything to see that.

Fame is nothing, respect is something.

Some of the most respected people in the world aren't even known by mainstream humanity.

Some of the worst, most known and famous humans in the world are in posters on little kids rooms.

I don't care for fame, I don't want it. If I became famous through music (which is the only way I would, I don't care to do anything else) it wouldn't be because the record company put me out there or I over marketed myself. I'm not a product or a prostitute, therefore I am in no need of selling myself.

Integrity is what I'd always have, if I got respect from people I respect, as a result, that would be all I needed. Fame is irrelevant. It's nothing special at all.

Fame would mean something if only the exceptional became famous but now everyone is. Now that everyone's famous, nobody is...in hindsight.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Fame is nothing, respect is something.

I'd still respect Lil if she took her clothes off...

Jurassic Park!

-AC

I disagree with AC anyway

What aspect of my post do you disagree with?

-AC

saying that Fame is nothing, it's rather dumb to say that, by being famous you've got a chace to be someone... being famous = money, money = everything BUT love

'z just the way it is

Incorrect, completely.

Fame is nothing. How?

Because if you're a nobody and you get famous, you're still a nobody. Look at reality TV show winners. They were a nobody when they went in and they're a nobody when they're out.

You're not somebody just because everyone knows you, you're just a nobody everyone knows. I'm sure alot of people know Pauly Shore, he's about as far from being 'somebody' as you can get. He too had fame at one point.

I don't need fame because I don't like humans. I don't like fickle people, I don't like two-facedness and I don't like hypocricy. Which is exactly what you get when you become famous. People who never knew you and didn't care to know you before, want to know you. Not because of WHO you are, but WHAT you are. Which isn't what ANY human should want.

Money = Everything BUT love? To quote you "it's rather dumb to say that". If you're money's *****, that's your problem.

-AC

I agree with what AC says -- respect is much more important than fame. Fame is fleeting. Respect is important.

The only thing I'm likely to be known for is my artwork, but I'd MUCH rather be known only by a few but respected, than famous because I sold out. That's not going to happen, EVER. It would totally go against everything I stand for. I make art because I like to, and I do it for myself. If other people like it, that's fine, but I don't do it to please others.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Incorrect, completely.

Fame is nothing. How?

Because if you're a nobody and you get famous, you're still a nobody. Look at reality TV show winners. They were a nobody when they went in and they're a nobody when they're out.

You're not somebody just because everyone knows you, you're just a nobody everyone knows. I'm sure alot of people know Pauly Shore, he's about as far from being 'somebody' as you can get. He too had fame at one point.

I don't need fame because I don't like humans. I don't like fickle people, I don't like two-facedness and I don't like hypocricy. Which is exactly what you get when you become famous. People who never knew you and didn't care to know you before, want to know you. Not because of WHO you are, but WHAT you are. Which isn't what ANY human should want.

Money = Everything BUT love? To quote you "it's rather dumb to say that". If you're money's *****, that's your problem.

-AC

not because u show up on a reality show means ure famous
u gotta climb ure way to the top

respect is important for self esteem YES, but does it get u anywhere?? no. does it make u warm at night? no. does it put u food one ure table? NO

People always say "Yeaaaah bullshit. If someone put a briefcase full of millions infront of you, you'd sell out in a second". Which is as far from true as you'll get.

People who believe money is the be all and end all of life, and will do anything to have it, tend to put that on everyone else due to some deep psychological shame.

If money was everything, everyone who wasn't a millionaire would be committing suicide. All I need is enough to keep me going with essentials. I don't even NEED it to buy music. I choose to pay for my music.

It depends on how badly you NEED the adoration of others, how bad you NEED status, how badly you feel about YOURSELF and how materialistic you are.

It's nice to get compliments and have people like you but I'm one of those people who believes that if people don't like you when you're nobody, they'll never like you. I'd still have the same acquaintances as I do now, if I was famous. If the next day, I lost my fame, they'd still be there. Don't expect that to happen with people who you meet while famous.

Respect and honesty are all that's important to me. For myself and for those I care for. Fame isn't something I need or want.

-AC

Originally posted by IceWithin
not because u show up on a reality show means ure famous
u gotta climb ure way to the top

respect is important for self esteem YES, but does it get u anywhere?? no. does it make u warm at night? no. does it put u food one ure table? NO

That is a very shallow view. Respect can get you much further than fame -- how far do you think you'll get if you're famous but no one has any respect for you? Sooner or later your fame will fade and you'll be left with nothing. But if you're respected, you'll be able to go much further.

Sorry, but I'll skip the fame. Money isn't everything. Being well-known isn't everything.

i think alot of people on here are full of shit (not including AC, that was a killer post)....but there are people on here saying how they wouldnt want to be famous and if someone is famous that doesnt make them any better than the next person but all you see is sigs of pretty boy actors and hot models that are only up there because there famous which gives off the impression that this is what society(a.k.a the people full of shit) looks up to

So? Being well-known DOESN'T make you better than anyone else. And I SURE as hell wouldn't want to be thought of as better than another person, because I know that I'm not.

ummm....thats what i said...all you had to say was "i agree"

Sorry, I misread your post. I couldn't tell where one thought ended and the next started.

Originally posted by mechmoggy
I'd pay anything to see that. Just say the words babeh whip2flirt1

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
People always say "Yeaaaah bullshit. If someone put a briefcase full of millions infront of you, you'd sell out in a second". Which is as far from true as you'll get.

People who believe money is the be all and end all of life, and will do anything to have it, tend to put that on everyone else due to some deep psychological shame.

If money was everything, everyone who wasn't a millionaire would be committing suicide. All I need is enough to keep me going with essentials. I don't even NEED it to buy music. I choose to pay for my music.

It depends on how badly you NEED the adoration of others, how bad you NEED status, how badly you feel about YOURSELF and how materialistic you are.

It's nice to get compliments and have people like you but I'm one of those people who believes that if people don't like you when you're nobody, they'll never like you. I'd still have the same acquaintances as I do now, if I was famous. If the next day, I lost my fame, they'd still be there. Don't expect that to happen with people who you meet while famous.

Respect and honesty are all that's important to me. For myself and for those I care for. Fame isn't something I need or want.

-AC

ooooh please gimme a break!! dont go bloody buddha on me! I won't argue with u anymore cuz Ive made my point and I stand by it, I disagree with you're opinion but I respect it

Originally posted by Lana
That is a very shallow view. Respect can get you much further than fame -- how far do you think you'll get if you're famous but no one has any respect for you? Sooner or later your fame will fade and you'll be left with nothing. But if you're respected, you'll be able to go much further.

Sorry, but I'll skip the fame. Money isn't everything. Being well-known isn't everything.

dont mean to be rude but who goes further?? (I mean economically)

Britney Spears, a famous singer, very slutty and attention whore

or an Old Man who owns a small "mart" in a poor neighboorhood?

So Britney Spears will make more money. Doesn't change the fact that she's a whore who gets no respect and will utterly be forgotten in a few years.

Money isn't everything. You don't NEED to make millions a year. So long as I have enough money to buy what I need, and little extra to occasionally have fun, I'll be fine. I know that money isn't everything. I know that it sure as hell won't make me happy.

I disagree.

I think Britney is too huge to be forgotten - she has a horrible attitude and image, but she will not be forgotten in few years.

Oooh yes she will...it'll just take longer, but she won't last. Look at what happened to all the boy bands -- they were HUGE when they were famous, but what are they doing now?

I agree with milla

Originally posted by Lana
So Britney Spears will make more money. Doesn't change the fact that she's a whore who gets no respect and will utterly be forgotten in a few years.

Money isn't everything. You don't NEED to make millions a year. So long as I have enough money to buy what I need, and little extra to occasionally have fun, I'll be fine. I know that money isn't everything. I know that it sure as hell won't make me happy.

I'd rather be Britney Spears than the old man... and no it wouldnt change the fact that she's a whore and a ****, but just remember that she's a MILLIONARE whore

sorry but yes, I am veryshallow ...no wait not shallow... I don't mind if I go out with a pretty girl or not as long as she's smart and funny, I am a big materialist

Originally posted by Lana
Oooh yes she will...it'll just take longer, but she won't last. Look at what happened to all the boy bands -- they were HUGE when they were famous, but what are they doing now?
backstreet boys are not as half as famous as britney and many ppl still remember them

See, I'm NOT materialist. So being a millionaire doesn't mean anything to me. Yeah, it'd be nice, but it's not necessary, and I could certainly live without it. And I definitely wouldn't want to get rich by being known as a **** and a whore. I have too much self respect to do something like that.

And backstreet boys were way more famous than Britney when they were big -- I was 12-13 then, so I'd remember. And right now, I know of barely anyone other than people my age who still remember who they are. Britney's popularity only skyrocketed when she gave up being innocent. Face it -- it's not her music that people like.

Originally posted by IceWithin
backstreet boys are not as half as famous as britney and many ppl still remember them And they're back together now

Time to crack out the whooping boots.

Originally posted by IceWithin
not because u show up on a reality show means ure famous
u gotta climb ure way to the top

respect is important for self esteem YES, but does it get u anywhere?? no. does it make u warm at night? no. does it put u food one ure table? NO

Yeah famous for what? Being on camera? Are you that desperate and unhappy that you would get famous by those means?

Work your way to the top? There's no 'work' involved. All the masses that are spellbound into watching all those reality shows, HELP the nobody get to the top. There's no work. If you wanted to WORK your way to the top, you would even be on a reality show in the first place.

Originally posted by IceWithin
ooooh please gimme a break!! dont go bloody buddha on me! I won't argue with u anymore cuz Ive made my point and I stand by it, I disagree with you're opinion but I respect it

Don't go Pauly Shore on me and I won't go "Rational Human Nature" on you, deal? Pfft...

Originally posted by IceWithin
dont mean to be rude but who goes further?? (I mean economically)

Britney Spears, a famous singer, very slutty and attention whore

or an Old Man who owns a small "mart" in a poor neighboorhood?

Britney Spears WANTS to be famous and will do anything to get her fame. Including conning many little girls and boys (and old ones) into paying their money on her CD.

The old man didn't WANT to become famous. The old man had a vision, to own a mart. He achieved it. All without bending over and taking it up the anal passage for a large sum of money. Britney Spears would have been nowhere if she didn't wear a school girl costume followed by breast implants.

Originally posted by IceWithin
I'd rather be Britney Spears than the old man... and no it wouldnt change the fact that she's a whore and a ****, but just remember that she's a MILLIONARE whore

So you'd be a high class hooker, what's the difference? You'd be a whore in more ways than one.

Originally posted by IceWithin
sorry but yes, I am veryshallow ...no wait not shallow... I don't mind if I go out with a pretty girl or not as long as she's smart and funny, I am a big materialist

Then that makes your opinion on integrity invalid. Because you'd be willing to sacrifice your morals, integrity and respect for a fat load of cash.

Originally posted by IceWithin
backstreet boys are not as half as famous as britney and many ppl still remember them

I remember them as a marketing gimmick that robbed countless girls of their money. Talentless nothings. Corporate little bitches who would probably blow Satan himself if he offered them a record deal. Just like Britney and you, I dare say.

-AC

wtf is wrong with you? cant u accept not everyone thinks like you?
and what the hell is it with u and reality shows?? you just keep talkin bout them
YOU think fame doesnt matter I do... we disagree big deal

Originally posted by IceWithin
wtf is wrong with you? cant u accept not everyone thinks like you?
and what the hell is it with u and reality shows?? you just keep talkin bout them
YOU think fame doesnt matter I do... we disagree big deal

I'm not trying to make you think like me. You disagreed with my post, I asked you why, you posted some more and I replied.

Take a midol and chill out.

Don't kick off what you can't finish.

-AC

Originally posted by IceWithin
wtf is wrong with you? cant u accept not everyone thinks like you?


Nope he can't. They are immediately deamed childish. Let it go...

Nice and all that, but I already covered it.

Oh, and you're wrong by the way. Try not speaking for me. Might work out well.

-AC

ohyes I see.

Not trying to pick a fight although it seemed you, for some reason, decided to speak for me.

I wouldn't do so for you, I expect the same courtesy.

-AC

Originally posted by mechmoggy
Fame?

I hated that programme when I was a kid.

I never saw it before.JM

The one with the famous theme song?

Is that the one you mean?

-AC

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
I never saw it before.JM

Typical. You pick out the most inconsequential tib bit in a thread and run with it.


As for the topic at hand, I would like to be famous. Being famous doesn't have to imply that you've sold out for money. But, come on, who wouldn't love to be rich? I think I would be more in line with a political personality than an actor or something like that.

I agree with this assesment about this so-called "reality tv". First of all, there is no such thing as reality tv. Reality tv is the footage from a mall security camera, not some scripted look at how people act when they know they're on camera. I have interacted with a guy that was on Road Rules. Shawn something from North Carolina. He's openly gay and is often out at the clubs in NC. When he speaks to you, he does so with such a arrogant tone and swagger that it makes you sick. I don't know about the rest of you, but if I was going to be famous I wouldn't want it to be because I lived in a RV, eating pig intestines in barbecue sauce to win a new car. In fact, when it was all over with, I would want to find a dark place and stay there, very still, for fear that someone might recognize me. And when he hits on you, you can tell he expects you to a)find him attractive and b) submit to his advances. I got in the habit of turning around and walking off when he would speak to me. I dunno, I guess two arrogant people can't really get along.

It's not a matter of 'who wouldn't love to be rich?'

If I were rich, it would mean never having to worry about bills, never having to worry about anything concerning money. That's my biggest plus. The fact that I can have anything I want would be cool, there are times when I want those extra CDs or what not and I can't get them.

However, a big part of why I enjoy my life is because when I DO get the money to get those things, it makes it that much sweeter. If I wake up knowing I can buy anything I want, it'd be fun for a while. Money would never change me but it'd bore me. Because I'd just be living life the same as ever, except buying more of what I want. Which again is nice but it's just not worth becoming famous for.

Fame is an add-on to me, never anything sole. I wouldn't become famous first and foremost, as my main objective. If I became famous through means of music, so be it. However I wouldn't be on TV overpromoting myself, overmarketing myself, posing on TRL or on MTV. That's just not me. Money entering into it or not.

I'd rather lay my head down on a the pillow I have set on my standard bed in my standard house as an unknown guy, than go to sleep in a mansion knowing I'd sold myself out.

You're correct though, if I was getting paid alot of money to do what I love, that would be awesome. The awesome part, to me, is the fact that I'd be doing what I love. If my fame left me the next day, I'd still be making music.

-AC

The only people who crave fame are those who don't love themselves, and as such they want everyone else to love them to fill the void they feel inside.

In other words, people who crave fame are shallow.

AC u simply keep saying the same thing over and over... that's no way to debate, I already said, that yes, britney's a ****, whore, etc. but I bet 70% of single males in the states would simply loooove to marry her.... she has money, fame, beauty...
for many ppl that's all it matters... whether u like it or not, she's happy being a rich whore ****, etc.

"she has money, fame, beauty...
for many ppl that's all it matters... "

These are the type of people I described in my above post --Shallow.

I have no doubt you're right

Originally posted by IceWithin
AC u simply keep saying the same thing over and over... that's no way to debate, I already said, that yes, britney's a ****, whore, etc. but I bet 70% of single males in the states would simply loooove to marry her.... she has money, fame, beauty...
for many ppl that's all it matters... whether u like it or not, she's happy being a rich whore ****, etc.

Well then I will gladly be in the 30% of single males who would never marry her.

I would rather find a women I love because of her personality, who I can spend the rest of my life with, than a women who might have fame, beauty etc but would only be a little toy to me.

ok

I guess i would like to be famous, im going to a music college to try achieve my goal.

but my main aim would be to be in a band which makes great music, and fame would be a bonus, sort of thing.

Originally posted by IceWithin
AC u simply keep saying the same thing over and over... that's no way to debate, I already said, that yes, britney's a ****, whore, etc. but I bet 70% of single males in the states would simply loooove to marry her.... she has money, fame, beauty...
for many ppl that's all it matters... whether u like it or not, she's happy being a rich whore ****, etc.

Hahahaha. I wouldn't marry Britney Spears if you paid me.

I personally don't think she's a whore in the literal sense, just in the sense of integrity and greed.

She has money, yes. Fame? Yes. Beauty? Depends on your taste. I think she's nothing special at all.

For many people it matters, but many people suck.

Chicken Meat: I wish you all the best in Music. The most important thing in the world. However, if you are playing Music to get a record deal, do artists a favour and quit now. No offense.

Just the way you said I'm going to music college to achieve my goal.

-AC

IceWithin, why can't you just accept the fact that not everyone in the world is shallow?

AC -- I think what ChickenMeat meant by he's going to a music college to achieve that goal, is that he's studying music to become better at it, not for the sole reason to get a record deal. I almost went to an art school, but didn't because I decided that I just wanted to keep art a hobby of mine.

I accept it... I can easily tell u and AC r both very un-shallow

the rolling smilie in my last post did not mean that everyone is shallow

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahahaha. I wouldn't marry Britney Spears if you paid me.

I personally don't think she's a whore in the literal sense, just in the sense of integrity and greed.

She has money, yes. Fame? Yes. Beauty? Depends on your taste. I think she's nothing special at all.

For many people it matters, but many people suck.

Chicken Meat: I wish you all the best in Music. The most important thing in the world. However, if you are playing Music to get a record deal, do artists a favour and quit now. No offense.

Just the way you said I'm going to music college to achieve my goal.

-AC

finally somethng we both agree on... I wouldnt marry her either

No, but it how you posted it just after saying 'ok' to Dr. Strangelove's post made it sound very sarcastic and like you didn't believe that he wouldn't want to marry Britney Spears.

I can honestly say I would want to be famous. But it would be purely to screw around with the media.

Originally posted by Lana
No, but it how you posted it just after saying 'ok' to Dr. Strangelove's post made it sound very sarcastic and like you didn't believe that he wouldn't want to marry Britney Spears.

uh... ok...
sorry dr. strangelove, I believe u wouldnt wanna marry her

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not trying to pick a fight although it seemed you, for some reason, decided to speak for me.

I wouldn't do so for you, I expect the same courtesy.

-AC I said ''I see' damn how absolutely hostile of me.Originally posted by BackFire
The only people who crave fame are those who don't love themselves, and as such they want everyone else to love them to fill the void they feel inside.

In other words, people who crave fame are shallow. Yup, I agree with that.

I do understand people who love to act or love to sing and have aptitude for it, but jcraving fame for the sake of it - shallow.

I love acting

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
if you are playing Music to get a record deal, do artists a favour and quit now. No offense.

i dont think i mentioned that even once

i would like to do music because the feeling of playing in front of a crowd is the best feeling in the world

and what lana said, i just want to get better at it

Excellent.

-AC

Fame is a fickle thing. A climb to the top can be long and difficult or quick and effortless. Once on top you've gotta find a way to stay on top. Screw or kill who you have to. I want to write a story about fame. lol It's got such potential to create a great story.

If you're route is quick and effortless you're never on top anyway.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If you're route is quick and effortless you're never on top anyway.

-AC

very true

It's hard to make a difference in the world unless you're famous.

That's the side of human greed.

People aren't satisfied with changing a person or a few people, it has to be the world or nothing.

I don't wanna make a difference in the world, I help out humanity where I can.

Some of the worlds most famous people are people that aren't bringing ANYTHING positive to the planet.

-AC

Well, now we can argue the meaning of the word famous. Famous implies that everyone knows you. I never said that the difference had to be positive or negative. I just said "a difference."

What are you talking about

Originally posted by Depp Hottie
What are you talking about

Who are you asking?

If you're asking me, then I'm saying that a difference doesn't have to be positive or negative to be a difference. But that it's hard to help people or hinder them without becoming famous. Look at Hitler, he made a difference in the world...a negative one. Look at Mother Theresa, she made a difference in the world...a positive one.

I think people also confuse the word famous with the word infamous.

To be famous is generally accepted as to be well known and esteemed. Althought there are various levels of fame, genereally one attains fame through an effort that celebrates a certain skill, talent or traight that they display or possess.

To be infamous is to be well known through deeds or characteristics that have resulted in an exceedingly bad or notorious reputation.