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I HATE it I don't know who people can like it! They go round looking for foxes with many hounds and RIP I REPEAT RIP THE FOX TO BITS cry it makes me cry...

I mean looking for animals is wrong, it's not right! It's interupting the enviroment and how they live. Even when the fox escapes in a hole they dig it up causing fear for the poor creature.

I am an animal lover and I HATE animal abuse, I don't here about people being hunting and chased for miles and miles and then DIE A HORRIBLE AND PAINFUL DEATH!

What did the fox ever do to anyone!? It's just a beautiful animal that shouldn't be bothered, how would you like it if you were chased by loads of hounds for miles and miles thinking you've got a chance of dieing!?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Hunting is stupid and pointless, unless you seriously NEED to hunt for your food, which in this day and age, you don't.

I know people defend this with "well it's a tradition blah blah blah". Yeah, that's swell, it was also a tradition to linch black people and burn people who were supposed to be witches. **** tradition, tradition is usually stupid and it's the argument used by people when they have no practical or reasonable defense against their actions. 'Well, I guess I'm just traditional, that's why I don't aprove of gay marriage, interracial marriage, woman voting, etc" Shut it, you don't need to kill more animals to eat, there's plenty of dead, steril animals for you to eat at your local market.

Then, it's a "tragedy" when one of these red neck tards get attacked by a bear and killed. Oh, boohoo, dumb Cletus went into the forest to try and kill the wildlife and got killed by said wildlife. Retards.

My friends dad is a fox hunter but not one of these people on horseback in red tails and doing it for fun. He is your average guy who gets paid to do this job by farmers who have a genuine problem with foxes on the farm. His dogs, mainly terriers, sniff out the foxes and when they are out in the open he shoots them, the dogs dont rip them apart. Basically he is pest control.

I can agree with that situation even though I am against fox hunting. What really disgusts me though are the people who go out and do this as a "sport" and do it for FUN. The people on their horses all dressed for the occasion with obscene numbers of dogs who tear the foxes apart and say "its all in the name of tradition", i completely agree with backfires post on the whole "tradition" thing.

theres no point in it what so ever! i live in the countryside with farms and such and they have their paied hunters to stop their problems or they have their own god damn shotgun luckly we dont get the red tails down here if we did i would bloody knock em off their horse strip em off, get on their horse get their gun and hounds and chase them round the god damn country side and see how they like it when the get so worn out they can barely move tot hen get ripped top bits grrrrrrrrrrrrrr it makes me insainly mad that they think they are solving a problem when they are cuasing many others. no wodner fox numbers are down, they could become extinct if they was allowed to continue, then they would complain of nothing to hunt and move on to some other poor defenceless animal.

i adore foxes and if i could i would have them all as my pets its to cruel it makes me ****ing sick, they dont care if they kill a mother that has cubs elsewhere that will starve or get killed and die, they dont care they never got a chance to live their lives. they wouldnt like it if i killed their mother and left them to die would they? god darn it cant we just revolt against them, take all their stuff and chase them around?

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Bullfights are sadistic too. But it is an tradition also.

It should be banned too.

I hate Bull fighting, incredibly cruel. The only good thing about it is when a Bull gets one up over the matador (much goring). I don't like the concept of hunting for nothing but fun, but if there is a reason, like pest control, hunting can be allowed. But still, even at a stretch pest control is not inefficient like fox hunting for fun.

Ugh, Humans are assholes. I wish there was a hunting season for them.

Originally posted by BackFire
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Hunting is stupid and pointless, unless you seriously NEED to hunt for your food, which in this day and age, you don't.

I know people defend this with "well it's a tradition blah blah blah". Yeah, that's swell, it was also a tradition to linch black people and burn people who were supposed to be witches. **** tradition, tradition is usually stupid and it's the argument used by people when they have no practical or reasonable defense against their actions. 'Well, I guess I'm just traditional, that's why I don't aprove of gay marriage, interracial marriage, woman voting, etc" Shut it, you don't need to kill more animals to eat, there's plenty of dead, steril animals for you to eat at your local market.

Then, it's a "tragedy" when one of these red neck tards get attacked by a bear and killed. Oh, boohoo, dumb Cletus went into the forest to try and kill the wildlife and got killed by said wildlife. Retards.

For once I argee with blackfire.I think it is wrong to hunt for food too.Speicaily if it is an animal that you are hunting.Or for sport.We are not that poor that we have to do this.JM

But in the contry foxes are a real pest they kill animals and make a real mess and fox hunting is an old tradidtion.

and what about all the horses and dogs they end up being put down and more of them would die than the foxes because they usually escape anyway. but i think that there could be a more humane way to get rid of the foxes.

Originally posted by SlipknoT
Ugh, Humans are assholes. I wish there was a hunting season for them.

Agree. I would kill every annoying person that would come across me.

On the other hand, they could shoot me...

Ok... I think that Yes fox hunting is cruel, but you have got to let the different classes do what they feel is their right, and not just blast it out the air because we don't trully understand their motivation.

Plus I didn't mention that it is also cruel for the hounds, I mean yes there're the ones that kill but they are trained by PEOPLE to do so and they don't get fed properly, they would eat the foxes while still alive!
There're so many because they're bred and bred!

And yes, so what if it's a tradition? Many traditions have stopped and it's not nessasary! "Oh people have killed foxes for many years so we should carry on." It's a load of BS!

To me tradition isn't anything, tradition just means something has been going for years and a tradition doesn't really do anything for anyone. I don't believe in pest control either, it's BS!



I hate bull fighting too, over in Spain it's known as 'fun' but to me it's CRAP!

Hmmm, i most definatly disagree with fox hunting, 100%

people say its "their tradition", i think they should move on in the times like everyone else does.

Couldn't agree more CM

Like O my god! People shoot at other people! and its like soo bad. They even BlOW THEM APART with large bombs even when they can't fight back! Arrg Its soo MEAN!

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
For once I argee with blackfire.I think it is wrong to hunt for food too.Speicaily if it is an animal that you are hunting.Or for sport.We are not that poor that we have to do this.JM So I take it you're a vegetarian?

I believe there are is a growing number of people who chase the fox but don't actually kill it... And maybe I'm wrong but I hadn't thought the hounds ever killed the fox, I always thought they shot it in the end. But as I said, I could be wrong.

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I think some people shoot the fox, but then others let the dogs rip it apart.

but then, i dont really know much about this issue.

but then, i dont really know much at all

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
So I take it you're a vegetarian?

I am though.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
I believe there are is a growing number of people who chase the fox but don't actually kill it... And maybe I'm wrong but I hadn't thought the hounds ever killed the fox, I always thought they shot it in the end. But as I said, I could be wrong.

Some let them some don't, different hunters do different things, as long as the fox is DEAD they aren't really bothered.

its a vile sport where the upper classes tear animals to shreads for fun

thats warped

I don't see the sport behind having fifty dogs and 20 horseback riders chase a single fox.

I also don't see the sport in watching 50 dogs tear apart a fox.

I'm not a hunter (anymore) and I don't have a problem with those who hunt within the law and with proper and sporting ethics. This on the otherhand just seems to be a bunch of people watching something get torn apart with a bit of horseback riding thrown in.

^Anymore? Are you saying you use to be?

Originally posted by Blue Dragon
^Anymore? Are you saying you use to be?

Yes I used to hunt. For few years I lived in northern quebec and Canada's Northwest Territories. I hunted caribou and moose and they tasted very good. There are not alot of grocery stores up north, not to mention food is expensive and I am not a huge fan of beef.

Since I've moved to just outside of Toronto I don't hunt anymore. Many of my friends do and I don't fault them for it so long as they do it legally and follow the strict ethics that most hunters who also love the outdoors do.

I still am an avid fisherman/hiker/rockclimber/mountainbiker, but I've gotten rid of my rifle.

lets hunt whales,.....hide and seek Moby

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Yes I used to hunt. For few years I lived in northern quebec and Canada's Northwest Territories. I hunted caribou and moose and they tasted very good. There are not alot of grocery stores up north, not to mention food is expensive and I am not a huge fan of beef.

Since I've moved to just outside of Toronto I don't hunt anymore. Many of my friends do and I don't fault them for it so long as they do it legally and follow the strict ethics that most hunters who also love the outdoors do.

I still am an avid fisherman/hiker/rockclimber/mountainbiker, but I've gotten rid of my rifle.

disgust NO!

Originally posted by Blue Dragon
disgust NO!

No to what?

Why did you hunt!!?!!

it should be banned!!

unless is for a need of food its absolutley cruel and pointless

Originally posted by Blue Dragon
Why did you hunt!!?!!

Did you even read my post? "For few years I lived in northern Quebec and Canada's Northwest Territories. I hunted caribou and moose and they tasted very good. There are not alot of grocery stores up north, not to mention food is expensive and I am not a huge fan of beef."

Originally posted by IceWithin
it should be banned!!
unless is for a need of food its absolutley cruel and pointless

You could say watching movies is pointless. You could say playing video games is pointless. What is or is not pointless when it comes to what people do with their spare time is an opinion, your opinion differs that others. People think that violent video games should be banned. Shouting out to ban something before you actually understand it is a knee jerk reaction that doesn't do anything than divide people's opinions even further apart.

As for hunting being banned I disagree for a number of reasons. First of all, before the granola crunchers decided to jump on the environmental bandwagon, it was the anglers and hunters along with their various associations such as trout unlimited, ducks unlimited and various other organizations that have endeavoured to protect wildlife and wild lands.

A great deal of knowledge concerning animals and their behaviour along with their movements and habitat needs is derived from anglers and hunters.

Not too mention (as with the case with white-tailed deer) environments and conditions have changed so dramatically through human influence that whitetails are more populace in areas such as southern and central Ontario than at any other time in history. These areas cannot really support the current numbers. Thousands more deer would starve in the winter months than already do if their numbers weren't culled by hunting.

Hunting isn't bad, although I don't choose to do it anymore I would not criticise an ethical hunter.

I like meat. Somebody has to kill animals for me to eat meat, therefore I cannot condemn hunting or killing animals. That's pretty much where I stand.

I like to hunt a different kind of foxhttp://images.killermovies.com/forums/moresmilies/pimp.gif

Food maybe (but we can live without meat, my myself am vegitarian)

Maybe we can, but I don't want to. Being a vegetarian is something you have to choose for yourself, can't force everyone to be one.

i hate when people have an opinion on things when they don't have the full facts...

most people who hunt are average people..only a small proprtion are upper class....the fox is killed by one quick bite to the back of the neck...foxses are vermin, they are not sweet animals who love everybody..people kill rats and treat them like vermin, that is what a fox is basically...if hunting is banned the countryside will be basically destroyed...hunting is a way to get rid of the old foxses who aren't fast enough of smart enough to run away...

Yeah people do kill rats all the time.. I don't see the difference between a rat and a fox, one is just cuter than the other, that's all.

..exactly..foxes are vermin...also if hunting is banned foxses will still die..probably more painful and more prolonged deaths..and more of them will die...hunting is the only effective way to control the fox population..in places where it has been banned foxes are now almost extinct becuase they get shot on sight..

More humane killing would be preferable. But then again who am i to comment the countryside folk are a world away from town folk its there heritage. i wonder if it was hunting rats instead of foxes...would u all be so bothered. doesnt mean ia gree with it though.

david Bellamy, world famous botanist and conservationist, has predicted the extinction of the rural fox within fifty years unless the hunting ban is lifted... with the use of more "humane" methods of control, far more foxes will be killed than were before.... also, large areas of countryside, kept clear to facilitate hunting, and areas of woodland (coverts) maintained by landowners to enable the breeding of foxes for the hunt will alsmost certainly be turned into industrial land or housing (the theory being Mr Landowner keeps them for hunting... now he can't hunt, why should he spend large amounts of money maintaining them, when he can profit by selling it to developers.... this is already happening near my place...) with the loss of these habitats, Britain can basically say goodbye to the recovering populations of, for example, pine martens and red squirrels... not to mention the fact that many now non-endangered species will end up on the endangered list... and before someone says, why can't the government maintain these habitats.... this government hasn't got enough money to spend already... whats going to be the first thing to go when it needs cash... the NHS or a few old fox coverts...?? A large number of conservationists opposed the hunting ban.. which I think speaks volumes.... remember, every piece of land in Britain is managed, working land... it is these "foul upper class fox hunters" who keep it nice for us..... oh, and all you anglers, and those half million workers in related industries... your hobby and jobs are next.....

thank you..but as long as the government get to have a go at the so-called'upper-class, what does the rest of it matter?...

also by 'humane' they mean shooting, poisining, snaring and gasing..so the fox can be in pain for days..these also affect other animals like rabbits, hares and badgers...

this subject actually makes my furious..i can't stand that they've banned it becuase people don't know really what's happening at all...

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Maybe we can, but I don't want to. Being a vegetarian is something you have to choose for yourself, can't force everyone to be one.

True

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Yeah people do kill rats all the time.. I don't see the difference between a rat and a fox, one is just cuter than the other, that's all.

There is no difference, either way it's not nessesary at all.

Originally posted by Fionnuala
i hate when people have an opinion on things when they don't have the full facts...

most people who hunt are average people..only a small proprtion are upper class....the fox is killed by one quick bite to the back of the neck...foxses are vermin, they are not sweet animals who love everybody..people kill rats and treat them like vermin, that is what a fox is basically...if hunting is banned the countryside will be basically destroyed...hunting is a way to get rid of the old foxses who aren't fast enough of smart enough to run away...
Originally posted by Fionnuala
thank you..but as long as the government get to have a go at the so-called'upper-class, what does the rest of it matter?...

also by 'humane' they mean shooting, poisining, snaring and gasing..so the fox can be in pain for days..these also affect other animals like rabbits, hares and badgers...

this subject actually makes my furious..i can't stand that they've banned it becuase people don't know really what's happening at all...
Originally posted by Fionnuala
..exactly..foxes are vermin...also if hunting is banned foxses will still die..probably more painful and more prolonged deaths..and more of them will die...hunting is the only effective way to control the fox population..in places where it has been banned foxes are now almost extinct becuase they get shot on sight..

Excuse me!? How can you say that!?
1. The foxes is not killed with one bite, I've saw footage all the time & haven't saw one single fox die like that!

2. I have facts!

3. Hunters don't kill old foxes, they kill anything from mother foxes (with cubs left to die) to cubs on there own!

4. True, the fox will die....*waits years...* eventuetly! Not having a gun pointed at them or trapped waiting for hounds to RIP them apart!

5. Why keep population down? They're wildlife and it should be treated well, not destoyed! Thet is why were are here. Instead of protecting the planet people are destroying it, they take stuff for granted!

6. What you just told me.....? It's all lies and I know.

hunting is a fun sport

Why I'm I not surprised?

Hunting is a brutal old conservative sport!

Originally posted by Blue Dragon
True



There is no difference, either way it's not nessesary at all.
That's not true. Anyone who lives in a city with rats will tell you it's completely necessary. I live next to a corner store and rats basically live outside the store under the dumpster and in the bushes, they don't come into our house because we have a cat. But they are completely overpopulated outside, you go out at night by the store and you can easily find a bunch of rats. They get into garbage, spread disease and basically just cause trouble. If I could personally kill every rat in my neighborhood, I'd do it in a second.

Up in my mom's house in North Carolina, they have a squirrel problem. The squirrels climb up their screen and such looking for food, chew holes in everything including wooden furniture and doors and stuff. They are probably an even bigger problem than the rats are down here. Well, scaring them off doesn't work for shit, we scare em off every 15 minutes. They've tried covering the things they climb up with a plastic tarp, didn't work. The dog won't do anything, she'll chase them around but once she finally catches up to them she just stares at it. So, my stepdad shoots them. Can I blame him? Nah, not really. If a bunch of squirrels started chewing up all my stuff, I'd probably shoot it too.

Sometimes when animals get overpopulated they become a nuisance.

Agree.

same here

Originally posted by IceWithin
Why I'm I not surprised?

Hunting is a brutal old conservative sport!

that's the narrow minded attitude which annoys me the most...hunting is NOT just an upper class sport..alot of people who work/go on the hunt aren't upper class..and they will all lose they're jobs and houses...all the dogs will get put down as well..it's criminal what the government get away with..

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
That's not true. Anyone who lives in a city with rats will tell you it's completely necessary. I live next to a corner store and rats basically live outside the store under the dumpster and in the bushes, they don't come into our house because we have a cat. But they are completely overpopulated outside, you go out at night by the store and you can easily find a bunch of rats. They get into garbage, spread disease and basically just cause trouble. If I could personally kill every rat in my neighborhood, I'd do it in a second.

Up in my mom's house in North Carolina, they have a squirrel problem. The squirrels climb up their screen and such looking for food, chew holes in everything including wooden furniture and doors and stuff. They are probably an even bigger problem than the rats are down here. Well, scaring them off doesn't work for shit, we scare em off every 15 minutes. They've tried covering the things they climb up with a plastic tarp, didn't work. The dog won't do anything, she'll chase them around but once she finally catches up to them she just stares at it. So, my stepdad shoots them. Can I blame him? Nah, not really. If a bunch of squirrels started chewing up all my stuff, I'd probably shoot it too.

Sometimes when animals get overpopulated they become a nuisance.

OK, I can see where you're going with this....they can become & nuisance. But the disease can't be helped so I think there is nothing to it.

Same with the squirrals, they are just animals that live in trees looking for food, in the end that is all they want. They don't mean to be a bother.

But they are.

They may not mean to chew up our shit, but that's what they are doing. There's obviously too many squirrels around there if they are leaving the forest to come get food from the house.

Fox hunting is sick

Another one who agrees