The Papacy and the Number of the Beast 666: Coincidence?

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Jury

finti
Let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the
beast for it is a human number, its number is Six hundred and
sixty six."

christianity the source of the made up the number of 666, coincidence?

yerssot
that's looking too much into it...i.e.: IV is still 4 in Roman numbers and not 5 by doing I+V

debbiejo
Actually I've looked into it and Jury is right, it is 666.

Jury
Originally posted by yerssot
that's looking too much into it...i.e.: IV is still 4 in Roman numbers and not 5 by doing I+V

Actually, in Roman numeral algebra... it doesn't imply I+V for IV.

It says IV = V-I = 5-1 = 4.

smile

And the algebra of Roman Numerals is not applicable in this topic, anyway. wink

Jury

finti
hmm substetuting son of god or?, even so it depends on how you look at it. Is the pope a substitute of the original viacrius filii dei peter (vicarius petrus) or is it meant to be the real deal vicarius fillii dei.
Originally it was vicarius petrus, but Norways favoritye pope, Pope Innocent III that change it from vicarius petrus to vicarius filii dei

Jury
Before, it was Vicarius Sancti Petri. But they don't like to be styled in that manner. Because according to them they were not Peter's vicars... but of the Son of God. Thus, proclaiming themselves as the Vicar of the Son of God (Vicarivs Filii Dei).

finti
it was change by church leaders who astrayed form the original way, the pope was powerful men in those days , if you didnt dance to their tune they got you excommunicated. Just like Pope Innocent III did with the Norwegian king

Jury
Excommunicating was just an initial action... Killing was the finale.

finti
yeah well a Viking king was maybe a too powerful and dangerous man to kill even for a pope, guess he didnt want the wrath of vengeful Vikings on his neck, and yes different Popes have plenty of blood on their hands. They weren't truly men of the church though it was more a personal power agenda for them rather than than a religious one

Jury
Those were the ones Jesus and His Apostles forwarned the early Church to come:

The wolves in sheep's clothing.

Jury

Jury
For the Greek and Hebrew titles related to the beast, let's consider first the table below:

http://img135.exs.cx/img135/5059/gematriatable0xo.gif

LATEINOS Greek] - Latin speaking man

The beast is LATEINOS

L = 30 lambda
A = 1 alpha
T = 300 tau
E = 5 epsilon
I = 10 iota
N = 50 nu
O = 70 omicron
S = 200 sigma
------------
TOTAL = 666

HE LATINE BASILEIA Greek] - The Latin Kingdom

H = 0 (transliterated)
E = 8 eta

L = 30 lambda
A = 1 alpha
T = 300 tau
I = 10 iota
N = 50 nu
E = 8 eta

B = 2 beta
A = 1 alpha
S = 200 sigma
I = 10 iota
L = 30 lambda
E = 5 epsilon
I = 10 iota
A = 1 alpha
------------
TOTAL = 666

ITALIKA EKKLESIA Greek] - Italian (Roman) Church

I = 10 iota
T = 300 tau
A = 1 alpha
L = 30 lambda
I = 10 iota
K = 20 kappa
A = 1 alpha

E = 5 epsilon
K = 20 kappa
K = 20 kappa
L = 30 lambda
E = 8 eta
S = 200 sigma
I = 10 iota
A = 1 alpha
-------------
TOTAL = 666

ROMIITH Hebrew] - The Roman Kingdom

R = 200 resh
O = 6 waw (vav)
M = 40 mem
I = 10 yod
I = 10 yod
TH = 400 taw
--------------
TOTAL = 666

ROMITI Hebrew] - The Roman Man

R = 200 resh
O = 6 waw (vav)
M = 40 mem
I = 10 yod
T = 400 taw
I = 10 yod
----------
TOTAL = 666

smile

ShotgunWes
Organized religion IS the devil itself.

Jury
Because? roll eyes (sarcastic)

debbiejo
I wonder if it's of the devil himself..Because it's not a new idea...

www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/h/hi/historicity_of_jesus.htm

Could religion really be "Babylon"? Think about it..

finti
by the rivers of babylon
where we sat down
yeah we wept
when we remembered zion

yerssot
Originally posted by Jury
Actually, in Roman numeral algebra... it doesn't imply I+V for IV.

It says IV = V-I = 5-1 = 4.

smile

And the algebra of Roman Numerals is not applicable in this topic, anyway. wink
I wrote I+V cause in the first post, -ius is counted as 1 and 5
where it should count together as 4 (as you said), making your 666 there wrong

ShotgunWes
It's the devil because religion is corrupt in itself. You can't expect people to follow when the leaders are corrupt.

Jury
Originally posted by yerssot
I wrote I+V cause in the first post, -ius is counted as 1 and 5
where it should count together as 4 (as you said), making your 666 there wrong
Again, as I said... the algebra of Roman Numerals here is not applicable.

The given name is this: VICARIVS FILII DEI.

We don't read the name as 6-100-AR-4-S ... etc. It's nonsense. There's no such number in Roman Numerals as VICARIVS FILII DEI to isolate "-IVS" and count it as 4.

We read it as VICARIVS FILII DEI as a whole. Simply because it's a name. Not a numeral number.

We are not suggesting here the algebraic notation of Roman Numerals... but translating the ordinal equivalent of the name with respect to the roman numeral equivalent of each given letter. We are not adding the letters. That's why, I+V or V+I is not applicable here. It is suggested to translate first. Right?

I guess that's clear. wink

finti
well since some of the letters in the name doesnt add up to a number makes it all ridiculous and stupid, many prominent people will add up to 666 that way so give it a rest it is too much of SDA propaganda.


(oh for those who dont know it SDA is Seventh Days Adventists)

Jury
Well, I'm not an Adventist.

debbiejo
I had gone there, so I know about it..And yes many names do add up to 666 including Ellen White, but she doesn't fit the description of the beast.

It is interesting though.

finti
there is always a concpiracy on the verge regardless case

Jury
The beast is also associated with the woman who sits in the seven hills and many waters. The beast has two horns like a lamb and speaks like a dragon.

Well, the beast seems to have two authorities or power. The horns. The Lamb and the Dragon. The Church and the State. smile

And where is that city of "seven hills" again? roll eyes (sarcastic)

finti
the beast with two horns is a fabrication of the christian church to discredit a so called pagan body of worship...........
the city of seven hills is Rome but Jerusalem has also been reckoned as the city of seven hills

debbiejo
Rome!!!And shes holding a cub of the blood of the saints...The inquisition? And it's pagan Rome who is now the Catholic Church which the protestants have adapted many of their beliefs. The interesting thing is the colors which are associated with her...purple, scarlot, gold and NO Blue. The priest in the OT have all the colors the scarlots wears plus the blue. The blue on the priests according the OT is to remind them to follow the LAW. The scarlot or present day churches have changed the laws of God, including the Sabbath to Sunday.

finti
they didnt change the sabbath from saturday to sunday, they just started the week on monday which made sunday the seventh day

space
Oh my god this is primitive...to think that modern people of today still believe in this kind of crap!....good and evil....dragons, monsters, beasts, the devil....divine personifications of good(god) and evil(satan)......etc. etc........it's ridiculous!

Jury
The beast is associated with the woman "harlot"... etc... and with the title "Babylon the Great"...

This Babylon is said to be "fallen"... as cried by a messenger of God.

Fallen because of a false or wrong foundation.

The Church founded by Christ was founded on the Rock. And this Rock is Christ Himself.

The Roman Church changed this truth. From Jesus Christ being the Rock to Peter the Apostle. Who they claim as the first Pope.

Indeed... "Fallen, fallen, is Babylon the Great!"

finti
people and denominations interpreter the bible differently no way is more right or wrong than the other. The big wrong here is the claim that other denominations are wrong in their ways.

space
They are all wrong - there is no god, no divinity - no good - no evil.

Jury
And there is no you.

finti
oh this one(space) comes in many different names Jury

Jury
Different names? What do you mean?

KharmaDog
Originally posted by Jury
Different names? What do you mean?

He has socked himself many times but originally went by the name philosophicus.

Jury
Oh... a Forum crap? shifty

debbiejo
OH..lets not go there...You can't prove it, and this person isn't doing anything wrong. So let space continue.

Give him space...lol.

Jury
Yeah wink And he's a lot of space for him here. laughing out loud

finti
yes I can

yerssot
Originally posted by Jury
Again, as I said... the algebra of Roman Numerals here is not applicable.

The given name is this: VICARIVS FILII DEI.

We don't read the name as 6-100-AR-4-S ... etc. It's nonsense. There's no such number in Roman Numerals as VICARIVS FILII DEI to isolate "-IVS" and count it as 4.

We read it as VICARIVS FILII DEI as a whole. Simply because it's a name. Not a numeral number.

We are not suggesting here the algebraic notation of Roman Numerals... but translating the ordinal equivalent of the name with respect to the roman numeral equivalent of each given letter. We are not adding the letters. That's why, I+V or V+I is not applicable here. It is suggested to translate first. Right?

I guess that's clear. wink
and if you drop the II out of it for some reason that suits me for an unknown reason, you get 664

you look too much into it and apply rules for your own benefit, that's about it, as finti said: then you can make a lot of 666's in names

gp christ loves
why do you question any of this anyway it stupid numbers aren't as important as knowing if you are saved

Jury
Originally posted by yerssot
and if you drop the II out of it for some reason that suits me for an unknown reason, you get 664

you look too much into it and apply rules for your own benefit, that's about it, as finti said: then you can make a lot of 666's in names

You didn't get it. For sure.

We're not only talking about VICARIVS FILII DEI. That's why other titles are posted... translated and computed all summed up to 666. Still coincidence? roll eyes (sarcastic)

Again... we are not adding the letters directly. The system used s only one. Not mixed. Not invented. Just one.

And that is through SUBSTITUTION.

VICARIVS FILII DEI is Latin therefore Roman. So we used Roman numerals for substitution.

How to use substitution process?

Simple: V=5, I=1, C=100, L=50, D=500, others=0.
Then addition is suggested.

So we cannot think of IV as 4. Because it suggest I+V which is 1+5. Therefore 6.

Otherwise... we used Greek or Hebrew...

Coincidence?

We have the descriptions of the beast.

two horns - lamb and dragon - church and state (theocratic government)
mark - benediction - sign of the cross
poweful authority - kings are subject to him - infallible
...etc.

And who best fits the description?

No one else other than the Pope at Rome.

Still coincidence?

That's what I am asking for.

smile

finti
yes it is coincidence

gp christ loves
why do you care about these numbers anyway if you cared about loveing the lord and spreading the gospel as much as you did these stupid numbers you would be a lot farther along in the faith by talking about this you are still not paying atintion to what truly matters

Tex
Spreading the gospel? Why would anyone want to spread those vile, pornographic, prejudiced, sexist, homophobic, scientifically disproved fairy tales?

The bible is an insult to god. Looking at the immense splendor that is the infinite universe and the diversity and complexity of its workings and cycles as well as life on earth and atomic dynamics, the complexities of DNA, nature and evolution; to associate god with the dirty little desert stories found in the bible is laughable and extremely silly.

The gospels are more stupid than her stupid numbers. At least with the 666 they're using math and statistics to manipulate data to reach a desired conclusion.

DCLXVI
666 in straight Roman Numerals is DCLXVI. wink

Jury
Yeah. Probably... COINCIDENCE. yes

FeceMan
Numerology is teh suxx0rz.

With people like you, I wonder that same thing sometimes.

PrinceofBlades
Hehehehe. <shakes head>

Jury
How about 666 and Benedict XVI? Just wondering. smile

finti
yeah well add up the numbers then, lets see

Jury
And yet another coincidence.

The charismatic pontiff, Pope John Paul, who led the world's one billion Catholics for twenty six years, died Saturday, April 2 at 9:37 p.m. in his private apartment, the Vatican said.

2 ... 9:37

2 x 9 x 37

18 x 37

666

finti
you forgott the month in that little mathemathical display of yours, april second is written either april 2 , 02/04 or 04/02 so you cant leave out the month. Also the clock can be said to be 09:37 depends on what way you see it
this is how the mathematichal riddle should be
02.04. 9:37 pm
2x4x9x37 =2664

Dambuster
the catholic religon is a load of rubbish!!!! catholics idolize a man, when in the bible it says this is wrong!!! so i would say that he is 666 because people listen to a fake man, who holds no power!

finti
the bible also say eye for an eye and then turn the other cheek......now which is it

FeceMan
Stop with the numerology. It is completely pointless and, yes, it IS chance.

debbiejo
I wonder what my name would be??? OH..yea...there was a site where you could do it and mine......not too interesting.

finti
a site where you could do it? sounds awkward cool big grin

debbiejo
Originally posted by finti
a site where you could do it? sounds awkward cool big grin


laughing

It was fun!

ushomefree
Well... John Paul II has passed away. He's not the Anti-Christ after all. Who's next?

debbiejo
Maybe it's the whole false christian religion...The one based on paganism and full of rituals...?? maybe

Jury
Rituals and practices and beliefs like...

Christmas?
Valentine's?
Holloween?
Lenten?
Rosary?
Candles?
Images?
Crucifix?
Queen of Heaven?
Saints?
Scapular?
Mass?
Transubstantiation?
Infant baptism?
Penance/Confession?
Celibacy?
Abstinence?
Assumption?
Foundation Stone = Peter?
Head of Church = Pope?

Hmmm... what else?

JesusIsAlive

Imperial_Samura
Out of interest... was there a valid reason other then posting lots of Bible quotes why you brought all these threads back?

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Out of interest... was there a valid reason other then posting lots of Bible quotes why you brought all these threads back?

I kick him out of my Buddhist thread, so he had no choice. laughing

Alliance
ninja

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I kick him out of my Buddhist thread, so he had no choice. laughing

Good work.

JesusIsAlive
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Out of interest... was there a valid reason other then posting lots of Bible quotes why you brought all these threads back?

Why does there have to be a valid reason? Stop and think about this.

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Why does there have to be a valid reason? Stop and think about this.

Well a valid reason is better then an invalid reason. Ergo I was wondering that since the post the resurrects the thread is only tentatively associated with the topic and really is just an excuse to post in an evangelical fashion was it really necessary?

Storm
666 is commonly known as the Number of the Beast in Revelations. Some maintain that recent discoveries show that 616 could possibly be the correct number of the beast, and not 666.

JesusIsAlive
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What to do after the church has been raptured

To those who have still rejected Jesus Christ (His love, His salvation), once the church is raptured (caught up into Heaven), tribulation (God's wrath against sinners on earth) will immediately follow. Don't accept the mark of the beast (666). If you do accept satan's mark your fate is sealed for eternity. You are a spirit and your spirit will never cease to exist. All people who have died and come back to life can attest to this. You only go to one of two places when you die: Heaven or Hell. I know that you have heard this a million times. Again, don' t accept the mark of the beast (666). If you refuse to accept satan's mark you will be tortured (to get you to accept it). If you still refuse to accept satan's mark you will be beheaded. But if you refuse to accept satan's mark you will receive eternal life. Don't wait until after the church is gone to receive Christ into your heart and life. It will be harder for you to receive Christ once the church is gone. It will cost you immense suffering, pain, and ultimately death. Again, don't accept the mark of the beast (666).


So how do I receive Jesus so I can be forgiven for all of my sins, made righteous in God's eyes (or good enough to go to Heaven), and so I can receive everlasting life?

Romans 10:9-10,13
that IF YOU CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH THE LORD JESUS AND BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART THAT GOD HAS RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, YOU WILL BE SAVED. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 10:13
FOR "WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED."

1. God says you must confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and believe in your heart that He (God) has raised Him (Jesus Christ) from the dead, and you will be saved. You will be forgiven for all your sins, and declared to be righteous to go to Heaven.

2. Whoever calls on the Name of Lord Jesus Christ for salvation shall be saved. Whoever sincerely believes in, depends on, and trusts in Jesus Christ with all their heart will be saved. Ask Jesus Christ to save you from your sins, to declare you to be righteous, and to give you everlasting life. Thank Jesus for forgiving you for all of your sins, for declaring you to be righteous, for making
you good enough to go to Heaven, and for dying to pay for your sins.

Say this prayer from your heart:

Lord Jesus, I confess that You are Lord, and I believe with all of my heart that God raised You from the dead. I call upon Your Name for salvation. Also Lord Jesus, I repent from all of my sins. Thank You for saving me and giving me everlasting life now.

http://www.spiritlessons.com/

Any questions?

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Any questions?

"Out of interest... was there a valid reason other then posting lots of Bible quotes why you brought all these threads back?"

wink

JesusIsAlive
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
"Out of interest... was there a valid reason other then posting lots of Bible quotes why you brought all these threads back?"

wink

I periodically scan the myriads of threads to answer any questions that I deem necessary.

Alliance
Except you never answer them.

You hide.

You can't answer them. Its why you can't talk to me.

debbiejo
Originally posted by finti
the bible also say eye for an eye and then turn the other cheek......now which is it You turn the other cheek while your eyes are being poked out.......crybaby

RocasAtoll
Originally posted by Storm
666 is commonly known as the Number of the Beast in Revelations. Some maintain that recent discoveries show that 616 could possibly be the correct number of the beast, and not 666.

haha, 616 was my old area code.

Imperial_Samura
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
haha, 616 was my old area code.

And also one of the continuities in Marvel comics (Earth-616)...!

Nogoodnamesleft
Originally posted by finti
it was change by church leaders who astrayed form the original way, the pope was powerful men in those days , if you didnt dance to their tune they got you excommunicated. Just like Pope Innocent III did with the Norwegian king


I don't think he cared, since Vikings are pagans laughing

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