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This is a serious topic here, folks--please don't come in here and leave a post that has a quality similar to that of my namesake. I'm talking about things such as:

"lolz get a brain"
"he should quit"
"bush is a moron"
"nuke everything lol"

Etc.

I would like to hear--or, more accurately, see--on what you believe he should do to help things in the US and other parts of the world.

since he got chosen for the second time, maybe Americans do think he is a good president.
ergo he shouldn't change anything.

Well, I think he should make reforms on keeping tighter security on the Mexican/US border. Illegal immigration is a problem that needs to be dealt with.
He needs to uphold the constitution against liberal idealogy that wants to destroy it. I.e. judges exceeding their authority above the constitution.

He needs to support the people of Iran against the mullahs- I'm not talking militarily for those of you who say The US had become an empire.

Stop manipulating and paying the press.

Work a little harder to be a decent diplomat instead of someone who just pisses people off.

Stop lying and fabricating facts in order to go forward on agendas.

There's so much more, but that's a start.

Originally posted by Clovie
since he got chosen for the second time, maybe Americans do think he is a good president.
ergo he shouldn't change anything.

He only barely got voted in, Clovie, it was very very close and he only won by about 3%, so many think that he's NOT a good president.

To help things in other parts of the world he should commit a colective suicide with all of his admnistration

Let someone else take over. That would be smart and noble of him. Something he never did so far.

I was going to say that, thief.

-AC

I think feceman wanted this to be a serious discussion but apparently things have gone down the toilet right away.

Pun intended.

Two suggestions include a self-assassination and straight-out quitting. hmmm, sounds pretty serious to me!

Originally posted by Clovie
since he got chosen for the second time, maybe Americans do think he is a good president.
ergo he shouldn't change anything.

That's poor logic.

American's voted for him the second time around because his competition was even more pathetic than himself.

No President...during their term....is a "good" President.



Bush could pull all the troops out of Iraq, Come to peaceful terms with North Korea and Iran, and give up every penny he personally owned to the point where he was broke.....and People still wouldn't change their opinion of him.

Originally posted by Echuu
I think feceman wanted this to be a serious discussion but apparently things have gone down the toilet right away.

Pun intended.

The sad thing is many people are being serious, I know I was.

Originally posted by
Linkalicious
Bush could pull all the troops out of Iraq, Come to peaceful terms with North Korea and Iran, and give up every penny he personally owned to the point where he was broke.....and People still wouldn't change their opinion of him.

That's true, but being as he has made such a colossal mess of just about everything that he has touched I think that the feats that you have described are beyond an impossibility for his administration or any other administration that chooses to act like his.

Yes i value your statements kharmadog; I think its sick that some would suggest collective suicide though. People should value life more, even if it is the life of someone they don't like.

I thank those of you who have actually contributed to this discussion. Unfortunately, comitting suicide is not one of those "helpful" things.

Bush doesnt know whats going on. Bush is just there, that poor guy gets more manipulations than when i go to the S&M parlour.

Resign.

be honest.

Originally posted by Lana
He only barely got voted in, Clovie, it was very very close and he only won by about 3%, so many think that he's NOT a good president. i was being sarcastic bag

Originally posted by Linkalicious
That's poor logic.

American's voted for him the second time around because his competition was even more pathetic than himself.

No President...during their term....is a "good" President.



Bush could pull all the troops out of Iraq, Come to peaceful terms with North Korea and Iran, and give up every penny he personally owned to the point where he was broke.....and People still wouldn't change their opinion of him. poor logic equals 'you;re stupid' ?

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Bush doesnt know whats going on. Bush is just there, that poor guy gets more manipulations than when i go to the S&M parlour.
Heh, that's probably true. And Linkalicious is quite correct.

Stop invading countries and lying about the reasons.

Originally posted by Miss_Faye
Resign.

ditto

Legalize it.

yeah, so we can all get good and stoned for the apocolypse

may as well

I dont think he should do anything different. hes a good president.

Always room for improvement though.. no such thing as a perfect president.

good president for few okay for most.

I think he should
1. Focus on domestic issues
2. spend properly and save his government from going into bankruptcy

Everything

YOu dems and your I hate bush threads.Give it up.Bush is a good president aready he has nothering to change.JM

I'm pretty sure the person who started this thread (Feceman) is a republican, Jackie.

Bush is giving America such a nasty name, and hes making those people in America who clearly are aware of what is happening look terrible! The world has this view that America is a Bush Bible Bashing* Country where everyone loves Bush the Criminal, when it clearly is not so.

If you love your country and your people, than why would you support a man whos getting you into an unncessary war, lying about it and then getting people killed?


*bible bashing is a term me and my friends use to describe super-religions people, it doesn't actually mean literlay bashing the bible.

Nah i like Clinton better. A president that sends a country through good calm times is better then a guy changing everything.(bush)

Also he should not mix religion with government. I don't see why you guys aren't fuming over that. IN any other Western country it would be political suicide.

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Sorry I'm going off topic.

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
YOu dems and your I hate bush threads.Give it up.Bush is a good president aready he has nothering to change.JM

My god, is there no end to your inability to think for yourself?



As for Bush, there is little for him to change. In the first post, FeceMan said that the rules of the thread dictate that comments like Bush stepping down should not be made. But, that sentiment is a knee jerk reaction. Those who disagree with his politics will always assume that would be the best course of action in this situation. But, he can't step down. He can't step down anymore than he can pull his lips of the conservative christian right's ass long enough to think for himself.

So, my advice to the president would be just that. Get up off that bent knee long enough to rock the boat. In fact, consider this a standing recommendation for any sitting president. Think for yourself. Once in power, use that one term you'll have to make changes for the better. Consider no one group superior to another. Actually act in accordance with the original ideals this country was founded to represent.

The United States was founded not by those who first arrived on Plymouth Rock, nor by the people who fought the civil war. This country was founded by people who experienced tyranny from afar. A sentiment that can be shared by many in this country today. In all honesty, the American revolution was less justified than many that have taken place in history. But it took place, none the less. This country would do well to remember that we a free. All we have to do is make the choice to act free.

A country founded with such great ideals and is turning more more away from these ideals.

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
YOu dems and your I hate bush threads.Give it up.Bush is a good president aready he has nothering to change.JM
Jackie.

I try and respect your posts. I really do. I know you are quite young and have trouble with your grammar. However, this crosses the line. This goes from knee-jerk post and blanket-statement attitude to completely idiotic.

Have you not read any of my posts? Do you just sift through the boards, posting whatever pops into your head while a strong sedative drips into your blood, dulling your thoughts? Or do you lack the ability to read and comprehend the English language aside from basic sentence structure?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH?

(Man, don't nobody understand the words that are comin' outta your mouth!)

Seriously, I get this picture of a girl sitting at her computer, a glazed expression on her face. She stares at the screen in a drugged stupor, a bit of drool sliding out of the corner of her mouth which is twisted into a slanted smile. Other than making nonsense sounds while she reads, she is silent.

Rawr. Rawrawrawrawrawrawr. RAWR!

Sheesh.

^^ I think that was uncalled for...

I think it was uncalled for too.

But goddamn funny.

Originally posted by debbiejo
^^ I think that was uncalled for...


Why? Because she agrees with a majority of the posts of people who DON'T think for themselves?

Step outside the box.

She has a slight understanding of what it truely means to think for herself. She sounds like a soundbite. A conservative voice among many, who don't seek representation. She makes an ass of herself and everyone she speaks for when she opens her mouth. Let alone the fact that she opens her mouth in a manner accustomed to a social retard. If I felt she was speaking from an imformed position, I wouldn't have half the problems with her that I do. As it is, shes a twit...who thinks she has a voice. But she doesn't. Even among those who believe what she does..she's only a source of ridicule.

she should learn to keep her mouth shut. But, none the less she doesn't. She keeps spitting in the wind and making an ass of herself, and everyone that agrees with her, inadvertantly.

Originally posted by FeceMan
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH?

In reference to this internet forum, shouldn't it be:

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT YOUR FINGERS ARE TYPING?

Of course, you were speaking metaphorically...

As for the BIG, BAD Bush...

I think he should show a greater respect for the UN, by choosing an ambassador who doesn't hold the contempt for it that Bolton obviously does...Please don't reply that Bush wants him there to 'stir things up'...He wants him there so that the US can gain a greater control of the UN by being so bloody belligerent towards it.

The same argument can be applied to the imminent appointment of Paul 'Let's bomb the damn place' Wolfowitz as head of the World Bank. By putting a man who shows infinitesimal concern for life beyond the US borders, it shows the disgusting extent of current US hegemony.

So, there you go...If you could pass those details on to Dubya, I'd be much obliged.

Come on Ou Be. You expect too much...

I am not much into politics but I voted in the election and my choice lost. I was even further angered when I found out that so many of Bush's associates are getting key positions but then I guessed that perhaps this is a common practice. Is Bush doing more back scratching then previous presidents or is this about par for the course? Plus how come no one has mentioned Karl Rove. I think that Karl Rove is the Wizard behind the curtain choreographing the whole administration. My opinion about the president is that he has done what he has set out to do but he has not anticipated the consequences. Plus I am not to happy with the opening of Alaska to oil drilling. And what is the exact plan he has for Social Security? He makes a tour to promote his changes but I am uninformed as to what his changes exactly are. Am I not reading enough or has he never really stated a set plan? Okay I know I am not answering the question. So I think the president should stand for the environment as he claims to, help to straighten out the deception in the U.N. oil for food agreement, stop politicking for corporate america and stop looking so damn smug.

Here's my $0.02:

a) Stop the corruption in the current iteration of the GOP. All politicians are corrupt, but, please, Tom Delay makes Al Capne look like a saint (sans-ordered-killing)

b) Adopt a foreign policy that embraces diplomacy before military action. if you find yourself looking at war, chances are you haven't exhausted all your options first.

c) Stop trying to make it seem like Republicans are being persecuted. You hold a majority in both houses of congress and you hold the white house. You're not being persecuted, you're feeling the proverbial windiness at the proverbial top.

d) Read the US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and try to grasp what the nation's founders had in mind. They fled England because they were being persecuted by a powerful religious group for their beliefs. The GOP is now persecuting people who don't fit in with THEIR religious beliefs.

e) FFS, when the PM of Israel gives you an ancient mesopotamian artifact and a metal statue carved by his own daughter, as a gift, do not return the favor by giving him a pair of Ostrich ranchers' boots with US and Israeli flags on them.

f) Repeal the PATRIOT act and actually think of ways to improve nat'l security without infringing upon every American's constitutional rights.

g) Stop Lying. Period.

h) Realize your family is from New England, originally, and you're the only Bush son with a twang. Your "Folksy, Aw-Shucks demeanor" is getting worn out.

i) Fire Rumsfeld. That man has done worse things for the reputation of the US than the rest of you combined. "Old Europe," my ass.

j) Say what you mean, and mean what you say. If you claim to support the troops, then don't cut veterans' benefits, don't send them out to war ill-equpped.

k) Drop the preemptive Warfare doctrine. That shit starts fights, and someone's going to get hu-- oh wait, ~1600 US soldiers are dead, thousands upon thousands are injured, and god knows how many "brown people" have gotten killed because of that horrendous screwball concoction.

l) Don't Lie. I'm serious about this. I know you're a politician, and you have to lie to fit in, but please, can't you just throttle back on the BS for just a little while?

m) Social Security Privatization is a farce. Few Republicans support it now. Drop the issue while you still can.

n) Take "cool" lessons from Clinton. I'm not saying that you need to get a hummer in the oval office, but Clinton knew how to bend his words and make people like him.

o) Rein in federal spending, or make plans to generate more revenue. it's hurting the US Dollar, and most of us don't have the finds saved up to survive a crash.

p) Don't count your "Mission Accomplished" banners before they hatch. I mean, don't count your eggs before they hatch.

q) You used to be the party of small government. So far you've done a lot of usurping power from the states by way of federal mandates. Let the states decide what they want to do, don't push constitutional amendments banning something you think is a "sin."

r) The media is not "lib'rul." If anything, the US media is far to the right of almost every other national news network around the world.

s) Don't rule with a bible in one hand and a gavel in the other.

t) Apologize to the world for all the FUD you've been spreading. That stuff never gets anything done.

u) Stop paying journalists (cough -- Armstrong William) to be nice to the horsesh*t legislation you're trying to ram thgouh congress.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Why? Because she agrees with a majority of the posts of people who DON'T think for themselves?

Step outside the box.

She has a slight understanding of what it truely means to think for herself. She sounds like a soundbite. A conservative voice among many, who don't seek representation. She makes an ass of herself and everyone she speaks for when she opens her mouth. Let alone the fact that she opens her mouth in a manner accustomed to a social retard. If I felt she was speaking from an imformed position, I wouldn't have half the problems with her that I do. As it is, shes a twit...who thinks she has a voice. But she doesn't. Even among those who believe what she does..she's only a source of ridicule.

she should learn to keep her mouth shut. But, none the less she doesn't. She keeps spitting in the wind and making an ass of herself, and everyone that agrees with her, inadvertantly.

It's immaturity that would lead someone to point that out to everyone else who may or may not know that. Especially in the way it was done.
Thank you very much!

^ as long as you don't consider yourself as "persecuted" because of your political views, I'll kindly walk on by.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Jackie.

I try and respect your posts. I really do. I know you are quite young and have trouble with your grammar. However, this crosses the line. This goes from knee-jerk post and blanket-statement attitude to completely idiotic.

Have you not read any of my posts? Do you just sift through the boards, posting whatever pops into your head while a strong sedative drips into your blood, dulling your thoughts? Or do you lack the ability to read and comprehend the English language aside from basic sentence structure?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH?

(Man, don't nobody understand the words that are comin' outta your mouth!)

Seriously, I get this picture of a girl sitting at her computer, a glazed expression on her face. She stares at the screen in a drugged stupor, a bit of drool sliding out of the corner of her mouth which is twisted into a slanted smile. Other than making nonsense sounds while she reads, she is silent.

Rawr. Rawrawrawrawrawrawr. RAWR!

Sheesh.


Hahahahah, oh that was class. Hilarious. It had to be said though, and I am glad a man named FeceMan did it. Hahaha that was great.

Guys, lets watch the member bashing and stick to the topic at hand.

Originally posted by BackFire
Guys, lets watch the member bashing and stick to the topic at hand.

Politics always gets folks riled up like this. It'd be like trying to remove a tumor that has replaced the functions of the heart.

some people seee politicans as good people, then the others say there are ling bastards. Usually the 2nd group complains the most and does not vote.

I still vote, even though I consider politicians lying bastards. Voting hardly changes anything, but baby steps are still steps.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Why? Because she agrees with a majority of the posts of people who DON'T think for themselves?

What do people's opinions have to do with the inability to think for themselves? Maybe one day when 100.0% of the world shares your views you will rejoice because that will be the day you have determined that all humans have been utilizing their brains.

Back to the topic. I don't care to follow petroleum issues on a daily basis for obvious reasons, so I may be missing something here. I really wish there was more action taken to lower gas prices in this country. I drive 55 miles each way to work and am forking over $8.50 per day to go there. Also that, but everything from products shipped by trucks, airline tickets, and you name it have seen significant increases recently.

I realize it's a much, much larger issue than that that stems from overseas, but it's still an issue that I wish saw more attention from our President.

The only "attention" it's getting from Bush is the desire to start popping holes in the ground up in a wildlife reserve that has been protected since Eisenhower's administration. Let's hear it for nothing being sacred.

he shouldn't have sent us his army to iraq and dragged britain into it. but then again that is in the past.
he should listen to his government ie:when that one guy changed his mind about the weapons of mass destruction 2 weeks before they went in to iraq

Oh, don't worry, they're back to feeding him the same spoon-fes BS he's used to receiving. Sure, they're falling apart, Tom Delay is in deep sh*t with his own cronies, but they're still powerful.

As the great James Carville said: When your opponent is drowning, throw the SOB an anvil.

we're heavin' anvils every which way in their direction.

Originally posted by Clovie
i was being sarcastic bag

poor logic equals 'you;re stupid' ?

noooooo...you're not stupid clovers!!! hug


It's just that like 49% of the country voted against Bush because he is THAT bad.

of the 51% some odd percentage that voted for him....I'm sure most of them only voted for him because John Kerry was actually THAT much worst.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Jackie.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH?

I don't think she even saw your post because I think you're on her ignore list. If you click her ID and look at her bio, she has a list of about 20 people who "made the list." You're on there, even though she misspelled your name.

She misspelled his name on her ignore list? That's frickin' classic!

Quit.

Originally posted by botankus
What do people's opinions have to do with the inability to think for themselves? Maybe one day when 100.0% of the world shares your views you will rejoice because that will be the day you have determined that all humans have been utilizing their brains.

Back to the topic. I don't care to follow petroleum issues on a daily basis for obvious reasons, so I may be missing something here. I really wish there was more action taken to lower gas prices in this country. I drive 55 miles each way to work and am forking over $8.50 per day to go there. Also that, but everything from products shipped by trucks, airline tickets, and you name it have seen significant increases recently.

I realize it's a much, much larger issue than that that stems from overseas, but it's still an issue that I wish saw more attention from our President.

Back up my friend. There is a huge difference between the words "DON'T" , "WON'T" , and CAN'T". I have no problem with people reaching a contrary point of view. Maybe you agree with her politics. That's fine. This is America and I will always agree with someone's right to have another opinion. My mother disagrees with me on almost every political point we've ever discussed. In fact, judging by the length of your posts, you put rational thought into your responses and the opinions you've reached. That's cool. Jackie's posts are always seven thoughts crammed, inncorrectly, into one sentance. That's why she reminds me of a fox news soundbite. Anyone who put any rational thought into their opnion would have more to say than she does. One sentence? 90% of the threads she responds in merrit more than a one line, an IGNORANT one line answer. And this isn't member bashing or name calling. At least not any more than calling an entire thread "ignorant DEms". Christ, it's like she sat down to dinner with her father and just comes into political threads and pukes up the highlights of what he told her to think. I don't care if she is 14, she should still be able to think. If not, then I would imagine she rides the short bus to school. Besides, I've been on her ignore list since day one. It hardly matters what I think of her. Maybe that makes her the bigger person in this situation, I just can't get over it.

cool

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Back up my friend. There is a huge difference between the ..................................
........................Besides, I've been on her ignore list since day one. It hardly matters what I think of her. Maybe that makes her the bigger person in this situation, I just can't get over it.

I agree with your post.

Also, I wonder what it must be like for her to read threads like this because, due to her large ignore list, only about half of the posts are even visible to her.

It's like reading with blinders on. Uh,oh. There I go, setting her up by having a comment like that.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
noooooo...you're not stupid clovers!!! hug


It's just that like 49% of the country voted against Bush because he is THAT bad.

of the 51% some odd percentage that voted for him....I'm sure most of them only voted for him because John Kerry was actually THAT much worst. hug okay.

and i still don't understand why can;t you have some candidate who will be really good

OMG who CARES? FFS the election is over already! Absolutely nothing is going to change until we get a new president. Suck it up and accept it. I'd pay good money to never see another damn political thread in this section.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
I'd pay good money to never see another damn political thread in this section.

You don't have to pay money, just stop coming to this section.

Originally posted by Clovie
hug okay.

and i still don't understand why can;t you have some candidate who will be really good

We will always have a difficult time finding a descent candidate as long as we have a two party system. As it is now, this country is run by corporations and special inrests. They have the luxury of wanting something done, and simply buying the candidate that hasn't been bought by another company that wants the opposite. When this country takes into consideration the fact that a third, fourth even fifth political party is possible...even beneficial. There doesn't have to be only two points of view.

The fact that JM is 14 has nothing to do with the way she posts, I'm younger than she is (13) and I'm not ignorant, though I have been in the past. My point is, please don't judge people by their age.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I don't care if she is 14, she should still be able to think.

My exact words. There is no age discrimination going on.

Captain you sound kinda Bolshevik, totally agree.

Can I answer: A lobotomy (yeah that was gratuitous)

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
My exact words. There is no age discrimination going on.

I understand that, it wasn't directed at you. But there are some who would discriminate against younger people and I thought I'd just mention it here. Sorry for the OTness

Nah, I'm not a Bolshevik. Botankus was actually right: I won't be happy until everyone agrees with me. I guess I'm really a moderate fascist. But, I don't want to spoil the potential good thing we have going on here in the US. But, if people don't want to vote for whats best for everyone, then I see no problem in making them.

Which is why many philosophers questioned Democracy

lol...I'll take that as a compliment!

He should look at the real issues facing your country...
1. like a population to big to support in 50-70 years.
2. Um almost all social programs going in debt in 20 years!
3.Should stop religion getting into politics. Its the worst thing as you can do. I love religion but people get blind faith in it and it impair judgement on issues.

Lol as that Judy person said on CNN. Bush's strength has been foreign issues which he know and knew nothing about. Sad. If the Democrats had someone half as good as Clinton in this election would have gone to the Democrats. Anyways, Bush so far has not done any thigh to idiotic. Lets hope he doesn't take over a country.

However in my eyes forever, he is a greedy, ultraconservative, over religious idiot.

Captain as i write and few minutes later posted it arrived after another post and the bolche thing could have sounded serious, so let me explain (the bolche was kidding it's something I always said and) I agree with you and "your followers", just because here we have a 3 party system and it works, except when some gorillas take it over.
Philosophers who advocates anti democratic... well it's the best we have, but you can improve it for sure. The lobotomy answer said it all about the thread, and i posted somewhere my opinion about Republicans.

BTW, when did we reach critical mass, we (users) can turn any thread into BS or gold.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I guess I'm really a moderate fascist..

We don't allow oxymorons here

Originally posted by BullitNutz
Here's my $0.02:

a) Stop the corruption in the current iteration of the GOP. All politicians are corrupt, but, please, Tom Delay makes Al Capne look like a saint (sans-ordered-killing)

b) Adopt a foreign policy that embraces diplomacy before military action. if you find yourself looking at war, chances are you haven't exhausted all your options first.

c) Stop trying to make it seem like Republicans are being persecuted. You hold a majority in both houses of congress and you hold the white house. You're not being persecuted, you're feeling the proverbial windiness at the proverbial top.

d) Read the US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and try to grasp what the nation's founders had in mind. They fled England because they were being persecuted by a powerful religious group for their beliefs. The GOP is now persecuting people who don't fit in with THEIR religious beliefs.

e) FFS, when the PM of Israel gives you an ancient mesopotamian artifact and a metal statue carved by his own daughter, as a gift, do not return the favor by giving him a pair of Ostrich ranchers' boots with US and Israeli flags on them.

f) Repeal the PATRIOT act and actually think of ways to improve nat'l security without infringing upon every American's constitutional rights.

g) Stop Lying. Period.

h) Realize your family is from New England, originally, and you're the only Bush son with a twang. Your "Folksy, Aw-Shucks demeanor" is getting worn out.

i) Fire Rumsfeld. That man has done worse things for the reputation of the US than the rest of you combined. "Old Europe," my ass.

j) Say what you mean, and mean what you say. If you claim to support the troops, then don't cut veterans' benefits, don't send them out to war ill-equpped.

k) Drop the preemptive Warfare doctrine. That shit starts fights, and someone's going to get hu-- oh wait, ~1600 US soldiers are dead, thousands upon thousands are injured, and god knows how many "brown people" have gotten killed because of that horrendous screwball concoction.

l) Don't Lie. I'm serious about this. I know you're a politician, and you have to lie to fit in, but please, can't you just throttle back on the BS for just a little while?

m) Social Security Privatization is a farce. Few Republicans support it now. Drop the issue while you still can.

n) Take "cool" lessons from Clinton. I'm not saying that you need to get a hummer in the oval office, but Clinton knew how to bend his words and make people like him.

o) Rein in federal spending, or make plans to generate more revenue. it's hurting the US Dollar, and most of us don't have the finds saved up to survive a crash.

p) Don't count your "Mission Accomplished" banners before they hatch. I mean, don't count your eggs before they hatch.

q) You used to be the party of small government. So far you've done a lot of usurping power from the states by way of federal mandates. Let the states decide what they want to do, don't push constitutional amendments banning something you think is a "sin."

r) The media is not "lib'rul." If anything, the US media is far to the right of almost every other national news network around the world.

s) Don't rule with a bible in one hand and a gavel in the other.

t) Apologize to the world for all the FUD you've been spreading. That stuff never gets anything done.

u) Stop paying journalists (cough -- Armstrong William) to be nice to the horsesh*t legislation you're trying to ram thgouh congress.

Nice list!

Originally posted by MC Mike
Nice list!

Thanks I try to be as relevant as possible when listing things Bush can do to be a better president. Those are a fraction of the bare minimum. However, the rest are more personal changes as opposed to public changes. Such as reading more often, reading the articles as opposed to the headlines in publications, etc. I think he could be much better if he followed my suggestions on here alone, without the rest of the stuff I have in mind. But, he'll always be just another politician to me.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
OMG who CARES? FFS the election is over already! Absolutely nothing is going to change until we get a new president. Suck it up and accept it. I'd pay good money to never see another damn political thread in this section.

Who cares? Hmm...Maybe the people posting legitimate complaints in this thread, instead of simple spam...It always amuses me when people complain about a thread they have no interest in! It's such a strange thing to do if you think about about it...Wait a second...Ohhhhh, now I understand.

NOTE TO Jedi P: Please pay specific attention to the word 'think'.

Anyway...

Manny321, Was the point of your post to make confusing, cluttered contradictions? If yes, good work...

For example:



You initally say religion should stay out of politics, then you say that you love religion - all of them, or just one in particular!?!?!?!?! - and finally you castigate Bush for being an "over religious idiot"!

Finally, I would like to quote this:



!

Originally posted by blalocklover
Captain as i write and few minutes later posted it arrived after another post and the bolche thing could have sounded serious, so let me explain (the bolche was kidding it's something I always said and) I agree with you and "your followers", just because here we have a 3 party system and it works, except when some gorillas take it over.
Philosophers who advocates anti democratic... well it's the best we have, but you can improve it for sure. The lobotomy answer said it all about the thread, and i posted somewhere my opinion about Republicans.

BTW, when did we reach critical mass, we (users) can turn any thread into BS or gold.

I assume the language barrier is getting in the way. What do you mean by: "Your followers"? I have no followers. Unless that too is meant as an out of turn statement?


Aside from that, my hope that there will someday be a multi-party system in the united states holds up. Why be limited to a two party system, when the constitution allows for more than two points of view?

Originally posted by blalocklover
We don't allow oxymorons here

I can accept the duplicity of my nature. The question is, does everyone else?

okay i should be more clear. this 2nd term he is doing a better job then last term and still has to do something really stupid this term.


About religion, i practise it but that stays between me and my place of worship. Religion however should have no say in government. Bush can love his religion however i think he is using it to decide on issues and thats bad.

*cough* Let's see I need to "think". Oki-doki!
I think the lot of you need to get over it already.
Sitting here blathering on and on ad nauseum on a message board isnt going to change a bloody thing in this country.
Last time I checked the White House wasnt hooked up to KMC waiting for your guys to throw your half-cent of adivce into the ring.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Last time I checked the White House wasnt hooked up to KMC waiting for your guys to throw your half-cent of adivce into the ring.

no? DAMNIT!!!! WE WERE LIED TO!!!!!! crybaby

Manny -- his second term has only just started 3 months ago, we can hardly compare it to his first term yet.

JP -- remember our discussion on freedom of speech? We have every right to voice our complaints, ya know.

Frankly, a lot of stuff brought up in this thread (BullitNutz's post was EXCELLENT) are very good ideas.

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
I'm pretty sure the person who started this thread (Feceman) is a republican, Jackie.

I doubt it cheese very much.JM

Originally posted by FeceMan
Jackie.

I try and respect your posts. I really do. I know you are quite young and have trouble with your grammar. However, this crosses the line. This goes from knee-jerk post and blanket-statement attitude to completely idiotic.

Have you not read any of my posts? Do you just sift through the boards, posting whatever pops into your head while a strong sedative drips into your blood, dulling your thoughts? Or do you lack the ability to read and comprehend the English language aside from basic sentence structure?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH?

(Man, don't nobody understand the words that are comin' outta your mouth!)

Seriously, I get this picture of a girl sitting at her computer, a glazed expression on her face. She stares at the screen in a drugged stupor, a bit of drool sliding out of the corner of her mouth which is twisted into a slanted smile. Other than making nonsense sounds while she reads, she is silent.

Rawr. Rawrawrawrawrawrawr. RAWR!

Sheesh.

You are not respecting my views by doing this face man.And you wonder why you are on my ignore list?Take a good guess my friend.JM

Originally posted by debbiejo
^^ I think that was uncalled for...

You are right debbie and do not worry I took care of it.JM

um jackie...if you were ignoring him how did you read...oh forget it

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
I doubt it cheese very much.JM

I think republicans are entitled to opinions that differ from their party Jackie. It's not a cult (as far as I know).

Dems are againt bush Repubicans(the prolife ones are for bush)that is what I was trying to say.JM

ok JM, thank you for that





















its like watching a trainwreck

OMG...

Jackie, you're a nice girl and all in the OTF...but to be perfectly honest, you don't understand politics. Please stop ruining perfectly good threads.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
We will always have a difficult time finding a descent candidate as long as we have a two party system. As it is now, this country is run by corporations and special inrests. They have the luxury of wanting something done, and simply buying the candidate that hasn't been bought by another company that wants the opposite. When this country takes into consideration the fact that a third, fourth even fifth political party is possible...even beneficial. There doesn't have to be only two points of view. and this two parties-system cannont be changed?
coz sometime i've starting to think that our system is not so totally insane. and it is the worst thing you can imagine





Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
You are not respecting my views by doing this face man.And you wonder why you are on my ignore list?Take a good guess my friend.JM Jackie, dear.
If you are ignoring this guy do not read his posts. it is the thing, right?

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
Dems are againt bush Repubicans(the prolife ones are for bush)that is what I was trying to say.JM

Thank you for taking the time to lucidly explain your position on the issues and eloquently presenting your grasp of current affairs.



However, I still don't have a single clue what you are saying.

i understand
she says that democrates are against bush, and republicans are pro him
i think it is obvious. coz he is republican

Typical view of someone who has no grasp of politics.

People do vote outside of their parties. I know several people who usually vote Republican that voted for Kerry, and vice-versa.

Personally I think that if someone votes purely based on what party the candidate is, they're an idiot. Figure out the candidate's stance on issue you believe in and vote based on that.

1. Sign the kyoto treaty
2. Free those prisoners on Cuba
3. Stop the new laws that limit Americans their freedoms
4. Allow gays to get married
5. Stop listening to the bible to lead a country
6. Stay in Iraq (i'm anti war but leaving now will only make it worse) for as long as Iraq asks
7. Be nicer to China its the US its best chance for a future
8. Stop covering Israel its ass
9. Stop saying "God bless us"
10. Stop saying things like "Your either with us or against us" There is no black or white only grey
11. Stop pretending the US is all that matters in the world
12. Look after more then just the christians in your country
13. Spend more money on US education and make sure that everybody can get it
14. Spend more money on Healthcare and make sure that everybody can get it
15. Restrict the gun laws to certain people only
16. Make people have tests before they buy guns, register guns, and register munition. (will stop thousands of murders)
17. Stop lying in your history books
18. Make sure that the people actually hear two sides
19. Try to make a change in the two party system (it sucks seriously)

Thats about all i can think of for now, but i'm sure i could figure out more if i'd take the time

Originally posted by Clovie
and this two parties-system cannont be changed?
coz sometime i've starting to think that our system is not so totally insane. and it is the worst thing you can imagine





Jackie, dear.
If you are ignoring this guy do not read his posts. it is the thing, right?

Yes it is.JM

and quit reading my posts for once

Originally posted by Clovie
and this two parties-system cannont be changed?
coz sometime i've starting to think that our system is not so totally insane. and it is the worst thing you can imagine

I don't think I said it was the worst thing I could imagine. I think the question was why is there no descent candidates. I can think of a lot worse things that are going on in this country. Also, I may not be understanding your post, but my point WAS that the two party standard(it's not written into the constitution that there must be only two parties) should be changed.

And I think you're missing my point. When there are only two parties that means there is ONLY ROOM FOR TWO POINTS OF VIEW IN THE POLITICAL ARENA. There is so much middle ground to be covered. Take social security for an example. Right now there is a huge debate over whether or not to privatize it or not. There isn't another point of view, no other plan, no other solution to the problem. Maybe there is a third option that no one is thinking of or talking about. The country gets caught up in hating the point of view of the other guy, that they never get anywhere. President after president, year after year...things never really change. And this president, who originally ran as a president that would bring everyone together has done more to divide this country than any other president. Like Bill Maher said: "When did this country become Utah?" I really do hope there is a huge backlash on the conservative Christian Right. I hope they pull Jerry Fallwell off his fat ass and drag him into the streets and burn him alive.

I know that last part was irrelevent...I just wanted to say it.

Originally posted by Clovie
i understand
she says that democrates are against bush, and republicans are pro him
i think it is obvious. coz he is republican


You should be scared if it's starting to make sense.

Originally posted by PVS
ok JM, thank you for that






its like watching a trainwreck


hahahahaha

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I don't think I said it was the worst thing I could imagine. I think the question was why is there no descent candidates. I can think of a lot worse things that are going on in this country. Also, I may not be understanding your post, but my point WAS that the two party standard(it's not written into the constitution that there must be only two parties) should be changed.

And I think you're missing my point. When there are only two parties that means there is ONLY ROOM FOR TWO POINTS OF VIEW IN THE POLITICAL ARENA. There is so much middle ground to be covered. Take social security for an example. Right now there is a huge debate over whether or not to privatize it or not. There isn't another point of view, no other plan, no other solution to the problem. Maybe there is a third option that no one is thinking of or talking about. The country gets caught up in hating the point of view of the other guy, that they never get anywhere. President after president, year after year...things never really change. And this president, who originally ran as a president that would bring everyone together has done more to divide this country than any other president. Like Bill Maher said: "When did this country become Utah?" I really do hope there is a huge backlash on the conservative Christian Right. I hope they pull Jerry Fallwell off his fat ass and drag him into the streets and burn him alive.

I know that last part was irrelevent...I just wanted to say it.

The two party system is indeed one of the worst things that can happen to a country... Besides minor differences the two party's aren't even that different. Democrates are more like the Republicans then they should be. It doesn't really matter who you vote for not much will change besides things going on right now. And those will only change a small bit, as not to piss of the other side too much.

Originally posted by Lana
OMG...

Jackie, you're a nice girl and all in the OTF...but to be perfectly honest, you don't understand politics. Please stop ruining perfectly good threads.


I can not believe you said this right after you just pointed out that we had the right to freedom of speech.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
I can not believe you said this right after you just pointed out that we had the right to freedom of speech.

I think you are confusing "free speech" with "incoherent rambling".

lol

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I think you are confusing "free speech" with "incoherent rambling".

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

No, his real first term started 3 months ago. HAHAHAHAHAH

Bush should pay a bit more attention to the welfare programs...the war and all is a big deal but we have problems here too...domestic issues should be adressed a bit more in detail

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
I doubt it cheese very much.JM
You are an idiot. I don't mean to lower myself to name-calling, but, Jackie, you are stupid. Unquestionably stupid. If you couldn't wrap your brain around the fact that I'm one of the most conservative members on this board by now, well...

If you won't bother using your brain, don't bother using your heart or lungs, either.

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
You are not respecting my views by doing this face man.And you wonder why you are on my ignore list?Take a good guess my friend.JM
First off, it's FeceMan. Not face. Not fece-space-man, and certainly not face-space-man. FeceMan. Like biological waste? That's why I'm living in a toilet bowl. There's a whole story behind the name, but I sincerely doubt that anyone cares.
Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
You are right debbie and do not worry I took care of it.JM
You "took care of it"? What the hell did you do, ignore me more? Or by professing your complete inability to comprehend the most basic of things--and reinforcing my "You are a retard" theory--destroy some of my brain cells?

Damnit. I'm really pissed now.

Things I believe Bush should do:

1. Pull troops out of Iraq.
2. Work more with supply-side economics.
3. Stop the illegals from entering the country.
4. Leave Iran be for the time being and focus on North Korea.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
I can not believe you said this right after you just pointed out that we had the right to freedom of speech.

I can understand what YOU say her posts make no sense whatsoever.

Originally posted by Lana
I can understand what YOU say her posts make no sense whatsoever.

Ironic in a topic about Bush

If I was JM's older brother, I'd kick all of your asses!

I'm not, however, so I'll continue to laugh along with the rest of ya.

Originally posted by FeceMan
First off, it's FeceMan. Not face. Not fece-space-man, and certainly not face-space-man. FeceMan. Like biological waste? That's why I'm living in a toilet bowl. There's a whole story behind the name, but I sincerely doubt that anyone cares.



Can I just call you 'Shit'?


Sorry, I couldn't help it.

Originally posted by botankus
If I was JM's older brother, I'd kick all of your asses!

I'm not, however, so I'll continue to laugh along with the rest of ya.

You're on fire today! hysterical

Originally posted by botankus
If I was JM's older brother, I'd kick all of your asses!

I'm not, however, so I'll continue to laugh along with the rest of ya.

I love your sig line

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Can I just call you 'Shit'?


Sorry, I couldn't help it.
Honestly, everyone here calling me 'shit' wouldn't bother me nearly as much as Jackie's posts. It's so stupid that, in a message board that talks about the most sensitive and controversial issues, I don't get half as pissed at anyone BUT her. Her posts have this way of completely infuriating me to the point where I want to grab her face with both hands, hold it level, staring into her eyes, and scream random invectives at her just to see if she understands me.

FeceMan, do you not think USA would be better off just pulling out of other countries all together and concentrate on the problems in itself such as -

gun problems
crime problems
drug trafficking
social welfare
etc

As opposed to spending tons and tons on a war that is not necessary - noone is threatening America, so why not just let it be?

I think legalizing prostitution would solve all of the problems in this country.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Honestly, everyone here calling me 'shit' wouldn't bother me nearly as much as Jackie's posts. It's so stupid that, in a message board that talks about the most sensitive and controversial issues, I don't get half as pissed at anyone BUT her. Her posts have this way of completely infuriating me to the point where I want to grab her face with both hands, hold it level, staring into her eyes, and scream random invectives at her just to see if she understands me.

Why haven't you put her on your ignore list?? That would solve the problem right from the start..

What Bush should do? Stop being so gun-happy with other countries! Jeez!

Originally posted by debbiejo
Why haven't you put her on your ignore list?? That would solve the problem right from the start..
Because then I would not be able to see to what people are responding when they insult her .

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
FeceMan, do you not think USA would be better off just pulling out of other countries all together and concentrate on the problems in itself such as -

gun problems
crime problems
drug trafficking
social welfare
etc

As opposed to spending tons and tons on a war that is not necessary - noone is threatening America, so why not just let it be?
Tired, so this is a double-post.

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: have to think about it carefully, weighing the pros and cons of everything and create a list of the order in which he should do things.

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
Dems are againt bush Repubicans(the prolife ones are for bush)that is what I was trying to say.JM

Jackie, did you know there are republicans who don't like Bush as well?

Originally posted by BackFire
Jackie, did you know there are republicans who don't like Bush as well?
OMGWTFBBQ!!!11!!!1111

NEUROLOGICAL OVERLOAD! Inability to comprehend increasing!

If X = conservative, then X = Republican.
If X = Republican, then X = pro-Bush.

If X = liberal, then X = Democrat.
If X = Democrat, then X = anti-Bush.

If X = anti-Bush, then z% X = Republican?
If X = pro-Bush, then z% = Democrat?

Error! Error! Shutting down mental processes to prevent permanent damage.

Garrrrrrr...

lol, nicely done.

Honestly I don't think Jackie is stupid, but her posts point out something like dyslexia.

There are some reason why BUSH won!

1. the media did never ask him real hard questions. Come on if Dan Rather could go so against the first bush on the issue of selling weapons to Iran why not today!
2. FOX, O'riley and Ann coulter and their son which will be the third anti Christ. Ann coulter thinks Canada sent troops to Vietnam. Some Canadians went to go fighting from the US but the govt did not.
3. Bad democratic opponent!

So far, he is doing okay at best now after a ugly first term. However, lets hope after he leaves he will quickly forgotten.

I say you are living in a make believe world.He won fair and squre get over it.JM

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
I say you are living in a make believe world.He won fair and squre get over it.JM

JM seriously...

If your going to contribute, then do it, dont post statements like that please...

i actually agree with JM. I understand constructive conversations on how the president can be a better president. However, if you are going to throw fire on the cause by keeping with the mindset that george bush shouldnt be president then your not going to have much to give.

The only thing Bush can do to be a better president is stop starting wars, continue to atleast try and clean up the mess with Iraq, dont taunt the rest of the world and piss them off with American ignorance. Focus more on the homefront of financial obligations which encompasses everything from healtcare to social to jobs. As long as Bush can cut the loses and ride this rotting horse that is the presidential party back to the stables. then i believe a new horse in four years will bring the country back into the leading lane.

Originally posted by MC Mike
Honestly I don't think Jackie is stupid, but her posts point out something like dyslexia.



Actually dyslexia would have nothing to do with her complete inability to form a coherent sentence or thought. I am dyslexic. Dyslexic people aren't stupid, in fact the average dyslexic in smarter than the mean I.Q. posted by so-called average people.

I offer no valid reason why JM's posts are so cryptic, but let's not give those with dyslexia a bad name please.

that has got to suck to not feel average. I always wanted an atleast four syllable disease or disorder. I got mono once and was pissed off, only one god damn syllable. like, if i got aids, i would ask some scientists to change the name to "the most worse very bad teribble, horrible virus you can ever have, because it kills you and ther eis no cure" That would be the new name for aids, everytime you referr to aids you have to annouce every word in the description. the most worse very bad terrible horrible virus because it kills you and ther eis no cure"

Actually "mono" is a two syllable word and mononucleosis is six.

Originally posted by pr1983
JM seriously...

If your going to contribute, then do it, dont post statements like that please...

What do you expect?? With the enormous ignore list, the last post that was even visible to her was on page two!

Originally posted by botankus
What do you expect?? With the enormous ignore list, the last post that was even visible to her was on page two!

It's funny 'cause it's true!!!

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Actually "mono" is a two syllable word and mononucleosis is six.

Oh, holy shit i am stupid . Thanks for that though...mono ???

It's ok...it happens in the US....I know many like you.....lol

Originally posted by MC Mike
Honestly I don't think Jackie is stupid, but her posts point out something like dyslexia.


Dyslexia does not make you ignorant. People could get past her typos if she wasn't talking out of her ass.




dark1365
JM's Bodyguard.

Do your job!

You guys, can we talk about George Bush, instead of JM?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Actually dyslexia would have nothing to do with her complete inability to form a coherent sentence or thought. I am dyslexic. Dyslexic people aren't stupid, in fact the average dyslexic in smarter than the mean I.Q. posted by so-called average people.

I offer no valid reason why JM's posts are so cryptic, but let's not give those with dyslexia a bad name please.


Sorry, I guess I was being redundant. I didn't see your post until after the fact. But, I agree.

IMO There are few things President Bush should do. They might be what some of you consider "Nationalism" but I just think thats what we need for this country. First and foremost he needs to put America first and the rest of the world DEAD last in his agenda. WE should come first! We are the people who elected him (by this I mean the majority that voted for him) so therefore he SHOULD take care of us BEFORE of helping another country or nation.

Our economy comes first and our Social system should be improved and more efficent. President Bush needs to STOP getting involved into foreign affairs and should concentrate more on us than the rest of the world. We the people of America should always come first in his agenda. Screw the rest of the World problems....our problems should be dealt FIRST! As harsh as this might sound to some of you the truth is that President Bush should always put America first and ignore the rest of the world. Why? Because again some of us voted for him so therefore we are entitled to be served first. If there is a revolution or a civil war in another country then that's their problem. Not our problem! Not our business and if they ask for help from the US. Then Bush should tell them to "Stick it up" and also say "My country comes first you ain't my problem! Go to the U.N. for your problems". Plain and simple America problems should be our prioirity.

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
I say you are living in a make believe world.He won fair and squre get over it.JM

Whoa! THATS THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK! People who live in imaginary worlds shouldn't throw stones!

And there is no such thing as fair and square in politics. Who ever cheats the best wins. You turd.

What should Bush do to be a better president?

RESIGN!

No Windancer that will lead to the downfall of America in a few years. America needs the world so it can get cheap goods for its consumer market and to get cheaper resources. IF you guys don't keep those two things the average American will become poor.
This mentality that the world is useless and hates you is idiotic. Many respect your people not your president. Also the world has alot to trade with. I think domestic issues should come ahead, but never ever put the world in the backseat because it will bite back hard!

Windancer the US felt the consequences of Isolationism from the past in two world wars. It would hurt you way more then help you.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Actually dyslexia would have nothing to do with her complete inability to form a coherent sentence or thought. I am dyslexic. Dyslexic people aren't stupid, in fact the average dyslexic in smarter than the mean I.Q. posted by so-called average people.

I offer no valid reason why JM's posts are so cryptic, but let's not give those with dyslexia a bad name please.

If you read my post you will see in a sense I said dyslexic people are not stupid at all.

Originally posted by manny321
No Windancer that will lead to the downfall of America in a few years. America needs the world so it can get cheap goods for its consumer market and to get cheaper resources. IF you guys don't keep those two things the average American will become poor.
This mentality that the world is useless and hates you is idiotic. Many respect your people not your president. Also the world has alot to trade with. I think domestic issues should come ahead, but never ever put the world in the backseat because it will bite back hard!

Windancer the US felt the consequences of Isolationism from the past in two world wars. It would hurt you way more then help you.

From an economic perspective both need each other. Just like the world wouldn't be the same if England and Japan didn't exists. Do not think that my opinion is about isolating the US from the world. That could never happen period. But what I do want from my government is that beforeour politics go out there and help another nation. Our problems should be dealt first. And I'm not talking State by state. I'm talking as in a whole nation term.

I don't give a rat ass (excuse the language) if the rest of the world hates us, or hate our president, or even hate people like me that voted for Bush. Because for me they ain't provinding help or anything. They only are critics and full of themselves. They are too blind to see the problems in their own nation and use almost every excuse to blame the USA for the world problems. Now, I know that sounds little crappy, but I'm sorry that's the way I see it.

My main issue is that our politics belong to us. And we should come first. Our social problems need to be dealt prior to any other problem that needs to be resolve in another nation. Yes, if it is a humanitarian help thats all fine by me. The US should try to help in any way possible. As other countries that can afford help. But in political issues...we need to keep it home. Thats the way I feel.

Resign

Apologize profusely to the world on public television, in person, one country at a time, then resign and procced to eat buckshot down on his pig farm in Texas.

appoint me as temporary dictator, so i can prosecute every single elected official, cabinet member, and pentagon bigwig to the full extent of the law, including him.

If I was a cynical devil I would say he should launch himself into deep space never to be seen again. Then he would being good. But I wont say that.....