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Well since Magneto's nearly god-like now, it stands to reason he should be matched up to a god. So how does current Magneto with his powers unleashed do against Thor? Regular Thor people.

So does Thor win against this new version of Magneto?

Thor owns him.

Mismatch.

It only took one upgrade for Magneto to surpass Thor, and he surpassed him so much that he was able to beat Thor and the Avengers at the same time. Magneto has had two more upgrades since then. He'd utterly destroy Thor, atom by atom.

Well actully I also think Magneto would take Thor down.

depends back in the sixties and seventies i believe thor would have taken him down in fact i have an old annual from years ago where they fight and thor seems to have upper hand.Nowadays magneto is very impressive and may very well beat thor however thor in oemings run was pretty uber even before he got the odin power and the runes magic with which he would definitely obliterate magneto.

Yeah, Rune King Thor is a skyfather. Or beyond. Obviously that one beats Magneto. Hell, that one could probably beat Galactus.

Thor would win.

has been done by demigawd.

and i beileve my comment was

magneto beat thor.

The hammer has metal in it (I can never spell the name right). Magneto would beat him to death with his own weapon. And with his new powers he wins anyway.

-DM

Originally posted by DigiMark007
The hammer has metal in it (I can never spell the name right). Magneto would beat him to death with his own weapon. And with his new powers he wins anyway.

-DM

Yes, a hammer enchanted by Odin. Thor wins. Thor pulls out a godblast and Magneto's toast.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Yes, a hammer enchanted by Odin. Thor wins. Thor pulls out a godblast and Magneto's toast.

Nah, Thor pulls out a godblast and Magneto opens a wormhole that the blast goes through, opening behind Thor and killing him instead.

Originally posted by demigawd
Nah, Thor pulls out a godblast and Magneto opens a wormhole that the blast goes through, opening behind Thor and killing him instead.

Thor can open up stargates as well.

Here's Thors rogue gallery:

Ulik
Midgard Serpent
Loki
Enchantress
Executioner
Fafnir
Pluto
Mephisto

When Magneto can beat these guys. Come and call me, especially when he's battle and escapes from Mephisto's realm.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Thor can open up stargates as well.

Here's Thors rogue gallery:

Ulik
Midgard Serpent
Loki
Enchantress
Executioner
Fafnir
Pluto
Mephisto

When Magneto can beat these guys. Come and call me, especially when he's battle and escapes from Mephisto's realm.
but what about the blackhole , and metal control shit.

LMAO

Originally posted by kgkg
but what about the blackhole , and metal control shit.

LMAO

? So Magneto is a high level telepath now? And Asgardians biology is different. Their skins are 3 times tougher/denser than a human's. Loki can use mindcontrol, so can Enchanter. Thor has broken from them before them before. And they used magic spell. Blackholes? Masterson Thor without that much experience opened up a stargate; Thor can easily close one.

So what if Magneto can open up one? Thor can bring forth tornados and hurricane. His hammer absorbs energy; he'll absorb Magneto's shield.

Originally posted by demigawd
Nah, Thor pulls out a godblast and Magneto opens a wormhole that the blast goes through, opening behind Thor and killing him instead.

lol

Originally posted by Beyonder
? So Magneto is a high level telepath now? And Asgardians biology is different. Their skins are 3 times tougher/denser than a human's. Loki can use mindcontrol, so can Enchanter. Thor has broken from them before them before. And they used magic spell. Blackholes? Masterson Thor without that much experience opened up a stargate; Thor can easily close one.

So what if Magneto can open up one? Thor can bring forth tornados and hurricane. His hammer absorbs energy; he'll absorb Magneto's shield.

i was playing beyond. lol

Somehow I dont think that his hammer can absorb any form of energy, just certain forms of energy.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Thor can open up stargates as well.

Here's Thors rogue gallery:

Ulik
Midgard Serpent
Loki
Enchantress
Executioner
Fafnir
Pluto
Mephisto

When Magneto can beat these guys. Come and call me, especially when he's battle and escapes from Mephisto's realm.


He doesn't need to beat those guys. He just needs to beat Thor...and he does so. Easily. Magneto manipulates matter now...he could affect Thor at a molecular level. He could disarm Thor and beat him upside the head with his own hammer. He could supercharge Thor's own hammer and kill him with it.

Originally posted by Beyonder
? So Magneto is a high level telepath now? And Asgardians biology is different. Their skins are 3 times tougher/denser than a human's. Loki can use mindcontrol, so can Enchanter. Thor has broken from them before them before. And they used magic spell. Blackholes? Masterson Thor without that much experience opened up a stargate; Thor can easily close one.

So what if Magneto can open up one? Thor can bring forth tornados and hurricane. His hammer absorbs energy; he'll absorb Magneto's shield.

Magneto controls minds...he's not a telepath. the nature of his mind control is more physical, which makes it harder for Thor to resist than regular telepathy. Similar to how the Purple Man's control over minds isn't telepathic, so conventional telepathic blocks don't work. And Thor isn't immune...he's been mind-controlled on several occasions.

Mags wins this more easily than ever.

"Yeah, Rune King Thor is a skyfather. Or beyond. Obviously that one beats Magneto. Hell, that one could probably beat Galactus."

Odin and the worlds pantheons couldnt beat a single celestial. When the 3rd host arrived. They and the destroyer got sent packing. Galactus has proved hes far more powerful than the average celestial in the earth x comics. He took out two singlehandedly. Rune King Thor would get his arse incinerated

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
"Yeah, Rune King Thor is a skyfather. Or beyond. Obviously that one beats Magneto. Hell, that one could probably beat Galactus."

Odin and the worlds pantheons couldnt beat a single celestial. When the 3rd host arrived. They and the destroyer got sent packing. Galactus has proved hes far more powerful than the average celestial in the earth x comics. He took out two singlehandedly. Rune King Thor would get his arse incinerated

some people here don't understand Galactus's power.

His is at least Top 10 in marvel

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
"Yeah, Rune King Thor is a skyfather. Or beyond. Obviously that one beats Magneto. Hell, that one could probably beat Galactus."

Odin and the worlds pantheons couldnt beat a single celestial. When the 3rd host arrived. They and the destroyer got sent packing. Galactus has proved hes far more powerful than the average celestial in the earth x comics. He took out two singlehandedly. Rune King Thor would get his arse incinerated

A single Celestial is FAR more powerful than Galactus. Earth X isn't in continuity, and Earth X Galactus isn't Galactus - he's Franklin Richards. So that doesn't mean anything.

The Black Celestial was able to physically morph Galactus into something that couldn't stop his own hunger - against his will. Thor was able to Godblast Galactus into submission. Galactus said he was going to die if he took another shot. Thor did his worst to a Celestial and did absolutely nothing. Eventually, the Celestial LET Thor break its armor so it could study his hammer.

Originally posted by kgkg
some people here don't understand Galactus's power.

His is at least Top 10 in marvel

Galactus has an important role in the Marvel Universe...doesn't make him the most powerful.

Originally posted by demigawd
A single Celestial is FAR more powerful than Galactus. Earth X isn't in continuity, and Earth X Galactus isn't Galactus - he's Franklin Richards. So that doesn't mean anything.

The Black Celestial was able to physically morph Galactus into something that couldn't stop his own hunger - against his will. Thor was able to Godblast Galactus into submission. Galactus said he was going to die if he took another shot. Thor did his worst to a Celestial and did absolutely nothing. Eventually, the Celestial LET Thor break its armor so it could study his hammer.



Galactus has an important role in the Marvel Universe...doesn't make him the most powerful.

name ten marvel character that are stonger than a full fed galactus

There are at least ten abstracts. Obviously the abstracts are more powerful than Galactus. People like Eternity, Infinity, Death, Oblivion, Love, Hate, etc.

Among "physical" beings, all of the Celestials are more powerful, IMO. I'd also put Cosmic Cube beings above him, too (Kubik, Beyonder, etc.).

Originally posted by demigawd
There are at least ten abstracts. Obviously the abstracts are more powerful than Galactus. People like Eternity, Infinity, Death, Oblivion, Love, Hate, etc.

Among "physical" beings, all of the Celestials are more powerful, IMO. I'd also put Cosmic Cube beings above him, too (Kubik, Beyonder, etc.).

how do you know all abstracts are stonger than Galactus did you read IG.

Galactus was seen as of the bigger guys even among abstracts beings. You are just guessing and that's all.

Love , Hate , Chorus and weaker abstracts can do shit to Galactus if they can provide some proff.

Kubick , cosmic cube beings agains just you opinon.

there aren't many people that can beat Galactus

Originally posted by demigawd
A single Celestial is FAR more powerful than Galactus. Earth X isn't in continuity, and Earth X Galactus isn't Galactus - he's Franklin Richards. So that doesn't mean anything.

You mean a hungry Galactus. A normal Galactus is just as strong or stronger than a Celestial. What has a Celestial done that Galactus hasn't? Galactus created Tyrant. Their fight destroyed galaxies; Galactus won and weakened him. He stalemated Agamotto in it's own realm.

On a whim, he creates guys like Morg, Surfer, Terrax, Stardust, etc.



So? If your going to argue this, then why would you assume Magneto can win against Thor? Unless you think Mage's shield can withstand a godblast.

Or are you going to say he can mindcontrol Thor, mindcontrolling is a minor power that Galactus can do.

Also, a godblast couldn't even take down Juggernaut, but it's going to do so to Galactus...and kill him? Talk about crappy writting.



Oh, so now your saying the Celestial "LET" Thor break his armor? In Gladiator Vs. Magneto, you argued as if Thor using the godblast broke through the armor. Now in this argument, your saying the Celestial "LET" him? So which is it?



Kubik explained to Kosmos that beings like the Vishanti, Galactus, Celestials, Chaos, Order, etc. are above them. Again, a Celestial isn't above Galactus. Bring in the top tier level and you'd have something.



Where do you get this crap? Thor's an asgardian; their biology isn't normal either. And he's leagues above your average asgardian. Yeah, mindcontrolled by people with magic, not physical mindcontrol.

Telepathy>physical mindcontrol - Xavier, Emma, Jean, Cable

Originally posted by Beyonder
You mean a hungry Galactus. A normal Galactus is just as strong or stronger than a Celestial. What has a Celestial done that Galactus hasn't? Galactus created Tyrant. Their fight destroyed galaxies; Galactus won and weakened him. He stalemated Agamotto in it's own realm.

On a whim, he creates guys like Morg, Surfer, Terrax, Stardust, etc.



So? If your going to argue this, then why would you assume Magneto can win against Thor? Unless you think Mage's shield can withstand a godblast.

Or are you going to say he can mindcontrol Thor, mindcontrolling is a minor power that Galactus can do.

Also, a godblast couldn't even take down Juggernaut, but it's going to do so to Galactus...and kill him? Talk about crappy writting.



Oh, so now your saying the Celestial "LET" Thor break his armor? In Gladiator Vs. Magneto, you argued as if Thor using the godblast broke through the armor. Now in this argument, your saying the Celestial "LET" him? So which is it?



Kubik explained to Kosmos that beings like the Vishanti, Galactus, Celestials, Chaos, Order, etc. are above them. Again, a Celestial isn't above Galactus. Bring in the top tier level and you'd have something.



Where do you get this crap? Thor's an asgardian; their biology isn't normal either. And he's leagues above your average asgardian. Yeah, mindcontrolled by people with magic, not physical mindcontrol.

Telepathy>physical mindcontrol - Xavier, Emma, Jean, Cable

well put.

Galactus is no joke.

hey demi mebee magneto can mind control galactus to.

Originally posted by kgkg
how do you know all abstracts are stonger than Galactus did you read IG.


????

Are you kidding me?

Marvel has long ago stated that abstracts are omniversal in nature - physical beings are nothing to them. OF COURSE abstracts are more powerful than Galactus - they represent fundamental aspects of reality - they control those aspects on an absolute scale. Galactus is absolutely nothing to them. He'd even tell you that much.



He was never portrayed that way. Physically larger, maybe, but who cares...they're abstract. They can appear as large or as small as they want.



huh?



Doom with a cosmic cube was able to completely punk Galactus and take his power. Reed with a cosmic cube was able to take Doom's Galactus power. If the power of a cosmic cube can just ROB Galactus of his power completely like that, then we're dealing with power on a larger scale than G can cope with.



True. Out of a universe of trillions, 20 or so is a pretty small number.

Originally posted by Beyonder
You mean a hungry Galactus. A normal Galactus is just as strong or stronger than a Celestial.


Not even close.



A Celestial physically altered Galactus in a way Galactus was unable to change on his own. The combined might of the entire skyfather pantheon was unable to punt a dent in a Celestial, while Thor by himself was able to Godblast Galactus into submission. Celestials show reality warping, the ability to physically unhinge planets out of orbit and throw them like weapons (while Galactus has trouble against people like Ego, who did worse against GLADIATOR of all people). Phoenix had Galactus on the ropes, while Phoenix with the combined mental power of the planet Earth was only able to muster enough power to destroy a Celestial's hand (which he subsequently regenerated). Galactus seems to just go around creating beings nearly powerful enough to kill him. wow! Can you say "overrated"?

Galactus is filled with low end showings. Celestials have but one.



*shrug* So did Odin's fight with Seth. That earns Galactus a lofty place as a SKYFATHER.



A stalemate is the best you can muster as evidence of G's might? Pfft. He couldn't even hurt Agamotto because G was limited to PHYSICAL attacks. All he did was break some of Aga's stuff, which pissed him off. He didn't do any damage to Aga AT ALL. He also stalemated Mephisto in his own realm...Black Panther BEAT Mephisto in his own realm.



Um...congratulations to him. He creates beings less powerful than he is. Yippee.



The point is, Magneto's upper limits of his shields aren't known. Assuming Thor could even land a godblast, there's no telling how the shields will hold. It wouldn't even matter - Magneto would just redirect it with a wormhole. Galactus was too stupid to have his shields up.



Pity he didn't do it against Thor....would have saved him a beatdown.




Oh, the crappy writing excuse again, huh? Juggernaut not being taken down by a godblast is crappy writing, how about that?

I might add that Thor almost killed Galactus TWICE, in two separate eras. Both crappy writing?



Don't take it up with me, take it up with Thor. He said that as he was floating around in the celestial, he came to understand that the Celestial let him do it so they could examine his hammer while it was all inside of the Celestial. They exist in all places at once, so him cracking their armor and jumping in made no difference. They set the whole thing up, and when they were done exploring the hammer, the Celestial summarily dismissed him from its body.



Thor explained that Celestials represent the next order of magnitude in the overall power pantheon. Marvel seconded that in their own letters page. So the only sources that compare a Celstial to Galactus both agree that Celestials are more powerful.



He was mind-controlled by Moondragon. Xavier communicated with him telepathically. Both of these are telepathic in nature. OF COURSE Thor can be mind-controlled by more than magic means. To think otherwise is ridiculous, even for you.



Untrue. Telepathy creates a physical effect on the brain chemistry - you are essentially telling your mind to alter its own electrical impulses. A person with strong enough resistence can prevent their minds from sending that signal to itself. But if you control the electrical impulses directly, there's no issue of willpower to deal with - you're telling telling someone to alter their own electrical impulses...you're doing it for them. Physical mind control is FAR more powerful than telepathy.

"while Phoenix with the combined mental power of the planet Earth was only able to muster enough power to destroy a Celestial's hand (which he subsequently regenerated). "

There can only be one avatar at a time performing phoenix duties. Which is why jean didnt start manifesting the phoenix again until after rachel got sucked in2 the time stream. And also why rachel became the phoenix avatar after jean killed herself on the moon. The phoenix who destroyed the celestials hand would have been at the level we mostly know her for so just a very powerful tp/tk. So it was her who destroyed the celestials hand.

Originally posted by demigawd
Not even close.

Wow, what an argument.



A Celestial? You make the Dreaming Celestial sound as if the guy was your average Celestial. He was one of the top tier among the Celestials.

So Thor put Galactus down with a godblast; he broke through a Celestial according to you. Thor is above Galactus and Celestial - and the entire pantheon of skyfathers.



:laughs: He Ego didn't have trouble with Gladiator. The Shi'Ar starship attacked Ego (which didn't do much) while Gladiator, however, was blitzing Ego at lightspeed - Kallark was damaging Ego but nothing serious. Kallark was but a pest; the fact the Gladiator did it against Ego was a feat.



Hahahaha, Galactus was there to consume. You wanna compare a hungry Galactus to a Celestial? Please don't bring sh!ts like that in. Phoenix didn't do anything to Galactus; was any of Galactus' limbs even destroyed?



? Of course he's gonna have low end showings, he's appeared more than the Celestials. What's your point?



Are you cold? Odin and Seth's fight only SHOOK the multiverse, it didn't destroy galaxies.



? Neither did Agamotto hurt him. And of course he was hurting Agamotto, he was blasting parts of Agamotto off but it didn't stop it. Agamotto couldn't do sh!t against Galactus either, even in it's own realm.



Neither did Agamotto rid Galactus from his realm as it wanted. He stalemated Mephisto until he started devouring Meph's realm. Guess what happened then? Mephisto gave up. Blank Panther? Please, you make it sound as if Panther went into hell and physically battled the demon. BP used spells to capture Meph on Earth plane. Strange has done the same thing, with ease, evoking Meph, binding him, and blindfolding him. Meph is weak out of his dimension - Galactus kicked his butt in it's hell realm.




You're being dillusional again. I guess I better call Batman and Arkam Asylum.



Redirect? Boy Maggy's fast.





?Yes, because going by your logic Juggernaut and Magneto's shield > either Galactus or a Celestial.



When? And when? Thor's also kicked Surfer's ass. And we all know Surfer would punk Magneto, so would Loki, Mephisto, and Pluto.



Really, then don't bring it up as a strength level for Thor to further your argument for Magneto's shield.



You mean by Thor writters right? It doesn't mean all of Marvel does. And why are you bringing up top tier Celestials against hungery versions of Galactus.



Moondragon is top level telepath with the Mindgem. Xavier is also. And him communicating with Thor doesn't mean he can control Thor. And are you saying Magneto's mind control is on Xavier or Moondragon's level.




To a degree. Once you move up to superbeings who's biology is far superior, Magneto ain't going to pull it off like telepaths. It's not just entering ones mind, ever heard of the astral plane? You seem to think it's just about telling ones mind to alter its own electrical impulses, it's more than that in comics. You think Magneto can alter Thor's mind easier than if Moondragon did it? Again, asgardains have superior biology to humans, Thor's far above normal asgardians. Hell, his father is a skyfather while his mother is an Elder God. Your average asgardian can lift only 2 to 3 tons. Thor is class 100 and is as tough as any brick.

But you know what Thor has? A mind. And from what I've seen, Thor's mind operates like every body else, not any faster. Magneto's isn't mindcontrolling Thor like Loki or Enchantress, not even close to Xavier and moondragon.

Originally posted by demigawd
????

Are you kidding me?

Marvel has long ago stated that abstracts are omniversal in nature - physical beings are nothing to them. OF COURSE abstracts are more powerful than Galactus - they represent fundamental aspects of reality - they control those aspects on an absolute scale. Galactus is absolutely nothing to them. He'd even tell you that much.

? No there not. Abstract my butt. More powerful? Where were these beings when Abraxas showed himself? Was any of these the ones than went before LT to ask for the vedict of the Infinity Gems to be reversed? Where were they when the Magus was a threat to reality? Eternity was in a catatonic state, where were they if they were so powerful? The only abstracts that are equal or above Galactus is Chaos and Order. Love and Hate aren't. I highly doubt Chronos is either.



? What does that have anything to do with power?



Doom with Surfer's powers did things Surfer never did. Guess what? Who'da think Doom with his tech could take herald and Watcher's powers? Guess what? He does. He even tried it in The End.

Shit, I posted a point by point reply, and I attached an image of Thor beating Galactus. When I hit "submit", it said, "image too large", and deleted my entire post. Mods should do something about that. I'm not going to write all of that over again, so here's the reader's digest version:

1. Galactus wasn't hungry when he was BEATEN and SPARED by the Phoenix, and he wasn't hungry or weak when he encountered Thor either time. Fanboys love using that excuse, like Galactus is perpetually starving. He's not...he's just not that powerful. high end Skyfather at most.

2. Thor with a godblast nearly killed Galactus. Thor with multiple godblasts put a small hole in a Celestial that he jumped into (the Celestial was unharmed). He later learned that the Celestial simply allowed him to do it so it could examine his hammer.

3. Thor cracking Celestial armor, even if the Celestial allowed it, is still a HUGE feat because it still takes temendous force to break through the armor. Celestials, because of their reality/matter manipultion can prevent that from taking place, but it chose not to. Hence, it's both a good showing for Thor that he was able to get through and a good showing for a Celestial in that Thor's Galactus-felling blow did no damage to the Celestial that the Celestial didn't allow to happen.

4. Galactus has more appearances than Celestials, yet has both MORE low end showings and FEWER high end showings. A low ranked Celestial beat Protege, who YANKED Mephisto out of his realm over and over and terrified Mephisto like nobody before ever did. If Galactus had power anything like that, he wouldnt' need to fight Mephisto in his own realm...he'd yank him out of it.

5. Odin and Seth's battle DID destroy galaxies. quote: "Long dead galaxies are shattered. Dying stars are reignited". And shaking the MULTIVERSE is more impressive than destroying galaxies anyway. Again, Galactus' "mighty" feat you mentioned is matched by lowly Odin. Galactus is just a skyfather. Accept it.

**I was able to preserve this part of the post, since I was going to split it in two:



No its not. Anytime someone is on the astral plane or under some kind of mind control, when they're hooked to scanner and monitors, the electronics show it in the physical change to the brain waves. Magneto himself was able to show the changes a telepathic command has on the brain when he did an MRI on Shola in Excalibur - he DREW the physical changes with his own power to create x-rays. Then he manipulated it back. Magneto also undid Doom's mental programming on Beast. So yes, telepathy are very much commands to alter one's electrical impulses to the brain, and yes Magneto can and has affected that, and yes, Thor, being a humanoid is just as suspecptible to that. How strong he is or how durable he is has nothing to do with his ability to control himself at a molecular level - he can't do it. That;s why Magneto wins.



So? And your point is....?

It doesn't matter if Asgardian biology is superior. Magneto isn't infecting Thor with an STD, he's changing his brain chemistry. Superior biology won't mean jack when the electrical impulses in your brain are changing and you don't have the power to change it back. There's absolutely nothing thor can do about this.



Thor's mind operates like everybody else's because it's based on a humanoid mind - it's structured the same, and works the same, which means it's prone to the same things, like changing the electrical impulses in it to achieve telepathic effects more efficiently.

So anything Thor does, Magneto has a counter for it. Then Magneto takes over Thor's mind, after he takes his hammer, and tells Thor to smash his own head against the wall forever.

Easy enough.

Originally posted by Beyonder
? No there not. Abstract my butt. More powerful? Where were these beings when Abraxas showed himself? Was any of these the ones than went before LT to ask for the vedict of the Infinity Gems to be reversed? Where were they when the Magus was a threat to reality? Eternity was in a catatonic state, where were they if they were so powerful? The only abstracts that are equal or above Galactus is Chaos and Order. Love and Hate aren't. I highly doubt Chronos is either.


All the abstracts are equal in power - they control universal elements. The only "abstract" that's ever been stated to be below Galactus is the in-betweener, and most people acknowledge that he's not really an abstract.

Abstracts don't get involved in those kinds of affairs. It generally takes something like the IG saga to get the mobilized because they're generally sworn to just play their universal role. So they wouldn't get involved in Abraxas. Your examples would be valid if they tried and failed to beat Abraxas - they didn't try, so saying that proves nothing.




That's my point - he said that because Galactus appeared larger in size that he must be more powerful. that's not the case.



Yeah, but in order to take power from Galactus, you have to have something that can override something that Galactus can do. Surfer isn't a universal power like you believe Galactus is. There's a world of difference between stealing his power and stealing the power of Galactus. Doom, using ONLY a cosmic cube, was able to do it. That shows that it was able to override Galactus' self-control of his power. That's not impressive. You think Doom could do that to a Celestial? Please.

I know we're really getting of topic...but I don't think universal abstracts such as love/hate/chaos/order really have an effect on the Big G. He admits himself the he is beyond "good" and "evil" so I seriously doubt they do. The only abstracts I would really classify above him would be Eternity/Infinity Death/Oblivion. As far as the Celestial thing goes, I believe he is probably on par(power wise) with a Celestial at full power, seeing as how he fought with the most powerful celestial(TOAA) in the IG Saga against Thanos. Besides, even if a Celestial did manage to overpower him, they wouldn't be able to destroy him..he's regenerated himself after being nullified, as well as from total obliteration by a blast from the Magus's cosmic cubes, something I don't believe any of the Celestials could do. Galactus essentially maintains the balance between all life/death in the universe(this includes the Celestials) without him the Universe would presumably come to an end.

Originally posted by kgkg
name ten marvel character that are stonger than a full fed galactus

PF (demigawd, PF obvously has greater power than Celestails)
Eterntiy (kgkg, they are easily more pwoerful, Death...)
Infinity
Oblivion
Death
LT
The one with IG (it doensn't count)
Celestials
Beyonder
maybe even Kubik

10, but It hink there could be some more.

Originally posted by Xplosive
PF (demigawd, PF obvously has greater power than Celestails)
Eterntiy (kgkg, they are easily more pwoerful, Death...)
Infinity
Oblivion
Death
LT
The one with IG (it doensn't count)
Celestials
Beyonder
maybe even Kubik

10, but It hink there could be some more.
(excluding forces etc. such as IG , HOTOO , Cubes)
"PF
Eterntiy (kgkg, they are easily more pwoerful, Death...)
Infinity
Oblivion
Death
LT"
are definaly stonger than Galactus.
Master Order/Lord Chaos are some others i whould put above Galactus.

Beyonder and Kubik ---- Beyond (Well he was illusionist, Kubick I don't think so)

Now as for Galactus getting his ass kicked.
- He is shown a lot more than Celestials/ Other cosmic entities.
- Surfers from bad writing.
- Most of his battle is in hungry mode.

LMAO am out.

Thor Vs. Magneto way out of topic

Like I said above, the "Galactus has made more appearances so he'll have more bad showings" excuse only works if he also had more good showings. He hasn't. The Celestials have had more good showings in their limited time than Galactus has had.

Don't give me the bad writing BS. I could name 10 bad showings right now and if you just dismiss them all as bad writing, then there's no point debating. I don't go around dismissing his good showings as bad writing, and it's gotten to the point where his bad showings outnumber his good showings...it's become part of his character. He's just being de-powered.

Additionally, most readers have the habit of assuming that if Galactus got owned it's because he MUST have been hungry. But it's never referenced as such in the actual storyline. When Galactus was getting beaten up by Tyrant...he wasn't hungry. When being killed over and over by Abraxas, he wasn't hungry. When he fought QUASAR to a draw, he wasn't hungry. When he was altered by the Black Celestial, he wasn't hungry. When he was beaten by the Phoenix Force, he wasn't hungry. When he was beaten by Thor TWICE, he wasn't hungry. When the best he could manage against Mephisto was a draw, he wasn't hungry. Ditto with Agamotto. Do I have to go on, or has my point been made?

Celestials, on the other hand, have had a single bad showings. Everything else has been far above Galactus.

But yeah, Magneto beats Thor. lol.

I cant believe this debate is actually goin on. This is regular thor people whom Magneto has owned along with his dozen or so avenger team mates singlehandedly on many occassions. Magneto has within his abilities to kill with a gesture a nigh invulnerable super strengthed being as he did when he took out those two neo a few years back in Xmen. That person was faster stronger and a lot more durable than rogue as he proved and that meant nothing. He got incinerated. Im not saying by any means that character could hav taken on thor but the point im makin is is magscan do that to a nigh invulnerable person with a gesture, then imagine what he could do to thor in a battle to the death where he would be very pi**ed off

Originally posted by demigawd
Like I said above, the "Galactus has made more appearances so he'll have more bad showings" excuse only works if he also had more good showings. He hasn't. The Celestials have had more good showings in their limited time than Galactus has had.

Don't give me the bad writing BS. I could name 10 bad showings right now and if you just dismiss them all as bad writing, then there's no point debating. I don't go around dismissing his good showings as bad writing, and it's gotten to the point where his bad showings outnumber his good showings...it's become part of his character. He's just being de-powered.

Additionally, most readers have the habit of assuming that if Galactus got owned it's because he MUST have been hungry. But it's never referenced as such in the actual storyline. When Galactus was getting beaten up by Tyrant...he wasn't hungry. When being killed over and over by Abraxas, he wasn't hungry. When he fought QUASAR to a draw, he wasn't hungry. When he was altered by the Black Celestial, he wasn't hungry. When he was beaten by the Phoenix Force, he wasn't hungry. When he was beaten by Thor TWICE, he wasn't hungry. When the best he could manage against Mephisto was a draw, he wasn't hungry. Ditto with Agamotto. Do I have to go on, or has my point been made?

Celestials, on the other hand, have had a single bad showings. Everything else has been far above Galactus.

Galactus being defeated by Thor, but you still know that Galactus is much, much more pwoerful being than Thor, and I think you know that. No comics, just by your thinking their pwoer level, it's no contest between Thor and Galactus.

I don't doubt that Galactus is more powerful than Thor. I'm sure a Galactus coming AFTER Thor would crush Thor. If I believed otherwise, I wouldn't be here arguing that Magneto could take Thor. What I'm saying is that Galactus wasn't trying to fight Thor, but Thor, with a godblast nearly killed Galactus. That same godblast and several variations of it had no effect on a Celestial. That's a BIG difference.

What are you trying to proof, the fact is that Galactus needs to consume planets just to survive. His is like one of the most overrated cosmic beings in MU

he's like NEVER full powered...

Even if he was he would still not be in the 10 ten

Galactus is one of the most UNERRATED beings in the MU. You need to understand how powerful he is...Galactus is the abstract that is physical. Do you have any idea how powerful he is?

Now read this and read it carefully. It is not Galactus' fault that he is USED TO ILLUSTRATE OTHER PEOPLE'S POWER POTENTIAL. What do I mean by this? Galactus is INFINITELY more powerful than thor...but him being hurt by the Godforce is used to illustrate how powerful thor can be...he's getting a beating all the time to prove a point. That point...is the EXCEPTION to the rule.

Galactus is above most celestials...he is like one of the top celestials, though I would estimate he's below TOAA.


And the more I read the vs threads, the more retarded they get. They always turn in to...COULD the underdog beat the more powerful character. COULD magneto(the underdog) beat Thor. Yes...yes magneto with all hsi new powers COULD beat thor. But face it...you all know that THor is the favorite to win. So who should win this thread....THOR should.

It's like that canonball vs Gladiator debate. Everyone know gladiator is infinitely more powerful...BUt yes canonball COULD beat gladiator if he could fully control his ability to absorb any physical attack. Remember...EXCEPTION TO THE RULE


PS: Where'd all those Marvel Hierarchy and DC hierarchy threads dissappear to?

Theryre long gone they got taken apart by people on this forum because they were so inaccurate.

Get real any of the Celestials would beat Galactus easily that's just the way it is.

Sure he is more powerful than Thor but compared to most cosmic beings he is not.

Originally posted by JWangSDC
Galactus is one of the most UNERRATED beings in the MU. You need to understand how powerful he is...Galactus is the abstract that is physical. Do you have any idea how powerful he is?


I was hoping you were about to tell me but...guess not.



the rule of the exception is that it's exceptional in nature. When the exception becomes the rule, it's no longer an exception. Does that make sense? If not, I'll put it to you another way:

Let's play a game. For every high showing of Galactus you name, I'll name a low showing. Let's see who runs out of showings first. I'll bet you will. And if that's the case, then it's clearly not the exception, because it's not exceptional...it's typical.



And this is based on....?

Look, I understand and sympathize with Galactus and his supporters. I actually WANT Galactus to be more powerful than Celestials. I think he SHOULD be, since he's unique in nature and unique in his role in the universe. He should be unbeatable by any physical being in the universe, and should be able to dismiss or molecularly unmake people like Thor with a gesture. But if we are going to have civilized, fair debates on even ground, we simply cannot just go by what we WANT things to be. The only common ground we have in these discussions are showings - canonical evidence of feats that characters have performed. And regardless of how important we're TOLD G's role is, his showings are the only valid way to guage where he - or anybody else - stands in the hierarchy. And going by showings, his feats, his battles, the things he's done, he simply does not match up with Celestials. I wish it were different, as I'm sure all of you do. But it's just not the case, and I feel bad for him, I honestly do. I just can't, in good conscience, look at the objective evidence and conclude that Galactus has proven to be more powerful than any Celestials.



If you were simply going by favorites vs. underdogs, there's no point in having a comic vs. thread. The point is to compare their abilities, feats, showings and prior battles (if any) and come to a conclusion about how they might stack up against each other. Thor has greater feats, but Magneto has shown the ability to remove Thor's greatest weapon and block Thor's attacks. People who side with feats, will side with Thor. People who said with prior encounters and the nature of their powers will side with Magneto. Given that Magneto, two evolutions ago, was able to beat Thor and the Avengers at the same time, is proof enough for me that he not only COULD, but WOULD beat Thor in combat. Given he now has reality-manipulating powers, that actually makes Magneto the favorite, and most people on this thread have agreed with that.

This is exactly why you are wrong. Read what you just told me...and I hope you can realize why you are wrong. If not, let me poitn it out.

Comics do not have every showing for every character, we have not seen the billions and billions of feats Galactus has accomplished. That's my point...his showings in comics are his exceptions....the rule...is not published. No one is going to read comic after comic of galactus doing the same thing....eating a world and destroying powerful beings. Those type of acts just get mentioned briefly.

Originally posted by demigawd
I was hoping you were about to tell me but...guess not.



the rule of the exception is that it's exceptional in nature. When the exception becomes the rule, it's no longer an exception. Does that make sense? If not, I'll put it to you another way:

Let's play a game. For every high showing of Galactus you name, I'll name a low showing. Let's see who runs out of showings first. I'll bet you will. And if that's the case, then it's clearly not the exception, because it's not exceptional...it's typical.


If you were simply going by favorites vs. underdogs, there's no point in having a comic vs. thread. The point is to compare their abilities, feats, showings and prior battles (if any) and come to a conclusion about how they might stack up against each other. Thor has greater feats, but Magneto has shown the ability to remove Thor's greatest weapon and block Thor's attacks. People who side with feats, will side with Thor. People who said with prior encounters and the nature of their powers will side with Magneto. Given that Magneto, two evolutions ago, was able to beat Thor and the Avengers at the same time, is proof enough for me that he not only COULD, but WOULD beat Thor in combat. Given he now has reality-manipulating powers, that actually makes Magneto the favorite, and most people on this thread have agreed with that.

If I were ust goign by favorites vs underdogs there would be no point in having a vs thread?

And here I thought the point of having a vs thread was to determine who is the favorite and who is the underdog... Instead of creating elaborate scenarios where the underdog would win

There are more mutants that could beat Thor.

Originally posted by JWangSDC
This is exactly why you are wrong. Read what you just told me...and I hope you can realize why you are wrong. If not, let me poitn it out.

Comics do not have every showing for every character, we have not seen the billions and billions of feats Galactus has accomplished. That's my point...his showings in comics are his exceptions....the rule...is not published. No one is going to read comic after comic of galactus doing the same thing....eating a world and destroying powerful beings. Those type of acts just get mentioned briefly.

Wait, wait, wait. Did you just say that Galactus' showings in comics are his exceptions? Holy bejesus! You do realize that Galactus is a comic book character, right? His showings in comics are his ONLY showings. They're not the exception, they're not the rule, they're EVERYTHING. There's no way you can conclude that Galactus does AWE-INSPIRING things off-panel that put his on-panel self to shame.

Has Galactus eaten lots of planet that we don't know about? Yeah. But that's what he's supposed to do - that wouldn't improve my view of him in the least. And if he somehow beat Arishem at some point off-panel, you can be sure as heck that we'd hear about it. Just like Odin saying that he repelled Galactus off-panel long ago.

So, YES, you CLEARLY have to go by showings. To suggest that you have to also go by unnamed battles that never appeared in comic books that no one has ever mentioned anywhere is ridiculousness of the highest order. You could work at a McDonald's stockroom with all the straw you're grasping at with that reasoning.

Originally posted by kgkg
I said he won -- how is that incorrect. LMAO which he did (no matter how he did it)


you missed the part where I said, "and even then, he still couldn't beat Tyrant". Galactus didn't beat him because he was too busy being unconscious on the ground. Morg ended up blowing them all up with the Ultimate Nullifier.



Do you think that Thanos could take a full blast from a Celestial and be ok? The same Celestial that casually melted the Destroyer, powered by Odin and ALL of Asgard? The weakest Celestial turned Thor into a frog and instantly ended a battle before it even started. If Galactus could do that he would have and ended the treat of Thor beforehand.



Thanos did a lot more damage to Galactus than he did to Odin, that's for sure.



if by "make fun" you mean saying stuff like, "AAAARRRRRRGH", then yeah I agree.



Except he did, lol.

Originally posted by demigawd
1. Galactus wasn't hungry when he was BEATEN and SPARED by the Phoenix, and he wasn't hungry or weak when he encountered Thor either time. Fanboys love using that excuse, like Galactus is perpetually starving. He's not...he's just not that powerful. high end Skyfather at most.

One encounter he was, the other one Phoenix didn't do sh!t. Absorbing her would mean the end of the universe as destroying Galactus would; that's why Galactus didn't continue consuming her.

High end skyfather? :laughs: The highest there is is Odin or Rune Thor. 2nd version of Tyrant is equal to or more powerful than Odin.



The same guy who couldn't put down Juggernaut with a godblast? The same Thor who has problems with Hulk? Kurse trashed both Thor and Beta Ray Bill.



Yup, what a feat it is but he couldn't do it against Juggernaut, Hulk, or Kurse? The Wrecker's given Thor trouble.



Black Panther and Strange have pulled Mephisto out as well. You only need sufficient spells. Warlock was kicking Mephisto's butt outside his realm. What's your point? Meph is weak out of his realm. What Protege beats Meph in hell realm - you'd have something. Galactus beat Meph in his own realm. All you've proven is that Protege beat a weak Meph.



? So they destroyed "long dead galaxies." Kicking a dead horse when it's down is a feat to you? :laughs:

As for shaking multiverse :laughs:, even Thanos with the IG's fight with Eternity, Death, Galactus, Celestials, Choas, Order, etc. didn't "shake the multiverse." I guess this feat of Odin and Seth is above Thanos with the IG's.



And you know this for a fact.



? So does Surfer, gods, helllords, and Elder Gods. What's your point?



You mean a godblast? Maybe Magneto can counter thick mist, hurricanes, and tornados Thor throws at Magneto.

Originally posted by demigawd
All the abstracts are equal in power - they control universal elements. The only "abstract" that's ever been stated to be below Galactus is the in-betweener, and most people acknowledge that he's not really an abstract.

'Kay now name me the abstracts (aside from Eternity, Death, Chaos, and Order) that's above Galactus.



Funny, that was an IG saga. Infinity Wars, Magus used the combined cosmic cubes from different realities to put Eternity into a catatonic state. That's not something they should get involved in?

If they were sworn to their role, why'd they even bother joining the cosmic bridgade to stop Thanos? Shouldn't they have just play their universal role and leave Thanos to do as he pleases? All he wanted was to replace Eternity, even LT acknowledged that and didn't interfere when Thanos had the IG.



It isn't. But that's not me argument.



Yup, cosmic cube is greater than Galactus, that's why it would be logical for Doom to steal powers from a being weaker than him. Ever heard of Secret Wars. Doom did the same thing. He used Galactus ship to steal Galactus' powers. Then he used Galactus' power to fight the Beyonder and take Beyonder's powers.

And don't bring in this shit about Beyonder being reconned, he wasn't reconned yet. Doom needed one power to move up to another higher power level.



Sort of like Doom ONLY used his Earthly tech to steal powers from guys like Surfer and the Watcher.

Then we're gonna have to call Thor a favorite over Galactus because in all their showings...Thor comes up with some kind of victory. Moreover we only know Galactus can do what he has done in comic book showings...bear with me

There's a difference between characters like Captain America and Wolverine who you have to go by their showings. Galacuts is different, he's this "omnipotent" (used very loosely) force....the showings you see ARE THE EXCEPTIONS. Did he eat planet earth? No he never got to...does that mean he's 0-1 for consuming planets which he tries to consume...I think not.


Originally posted by demigawd
Wait, wait, wait. Did you just say that Galactus' showings in comics are his exceptions? Holy bejesus! You do realize that Galactus is a comic book character, right? His showings in comics are his ONLY showings. They're not the exception, they're not the rule, they're EVERYTHING. There's no way you can conclude that Galactus does AWE-INSPIRING things off-panel that put his on-panel self to shame.

Has Galactus eaten lots of planet that we don't know about? Yeah. But that's what he's supposed to do - that wouldn't improve my view of him in the least. And if he somehow beat Arishem at some point off-panel, you can be sure as heck that we'd hear about it. Just like Odin saying that he repelled Galactus off-panel long ago.

So, YES, you CLEARLY have to go by showings. To suggest that you have to also go by unnamed battles that never appeared in comic books that no one has ever mentioned anywhere is ridiculousness of the highest order. You could work at a McDonald's stockroom with all the straw you're grasping at with that reasoning.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Galactus being defeated by Thor, but you still know that Galactus is much, much more pwoerful being than Thor, and I think you know that. No comics, just by your thinking their pwoer level, it's no contest between Thor and Galactus.

Yup. And it took BRB and Thor plus Power Pack to take down Kurse. Kurse was wrecking Thor and BRB. In another encounter, Thor needed the Amulet Of Thousand Suns to momentarily put Kurse down.

Tyrant, who's still below Galactus, punked Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator, Surfer, Jack Of Hearts, and Terrax at the same time. Whether he stalemated or beat Thanos, we both know Thanos occasionally stomps on Thor.

Thor's also the same guy who has trouble with Juggernaut.

Originally posted by demigawd
That same godblast and several variations of it had no effect on a Celestial. That's a BIG difference.

Yeah, the same godblast that didn't effect Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Molecule man
What are you trying to proof, the fact is that Galactus needs to consume planets just to survive. His is like one of the most overrated cosmic beings in MU

Sort of like Phoenix needing to consume a sun. Boy she's weak. Not as overrated as how you sometimes portray Molecule Man.

Originally posted by demigawd


So you've proven Tyrant beat Galactus by draining Galactus' energies? Please, Tyrant was preping for eons to take down Galactus. Him taking control of Galactus' ship shouldn't be a surprise. Deviants have penetrated the Celestial ship to copy the key and release the Dreaming Celestial. Tyrant taking control of Galactus' ship isn't much of a feat. He had eons to prep; Galactus wasn't even preping anything.



Guess what, that's the same Thanos who stomps on Thor, Surfer, Drax, Thing, and Hulk regularly. Even before his power ups, Thanos took on Thor and Thing, kicking their butts. Odin had to bring Gungnir into battle against Thanos.

And guess what, Beyonder couldn't put Thanos down either. And this Beyonder is the cube being version.

As for Tyrant, he stomped Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator, Terrax, and Jack of Heart. Can Thor do that?

Originally posted by Beyonder
One encounter he was, the other one Phoenix didn't do sh!t. Absorbing her would mean the end of the universe as destroying Galactus would; that's why Galactus didn't continue consuming her.


When did this encounter happen? The only two times i remember them clashing was the time I mentioned, and a What If. Are you referring to the What If?



My point is that Galactus hasn't shown any feats that Odin hasn't been shown to match, much less the Celestials. Odin was able to repel Galactus and stop him from invading Asgard. Odin was powerless against the Celestials. It took Gaea to make a deal with them to save their hides. That also speaks for scale.




Hence why I'm saying that Thor is less powerful than Galactus. But being less powerful didn't stop Thor from nearly killing a Galactus who wasn't paying Thor any attention. When the same scenario took place with the Celestial, the Celestial didn't flinch. And Thor tried everything he had....AND had the belt of strength with him. No effect.

It's like this - I could sucker punch two huge dudes. I sucker punch them because I know I can't take them in a straight fight. I knock one of them out, but when I do it to the other one, he just looks at me like, "Why you sucker punch me? Now you gone made my nose itch". I'm less powerful than both of them, but the second guy is a HELL of a lot more fearsome than the first guy.



Yes, yes and yes. Meanwhile, Magneto beat the Hulk without incident. Polaris beat the Wrecker easily in X-factor. And since this is Thor vs. Magneto, I thank you for the evidence.



Protege didn't fight Meph. He just casually yanked him out of his realm and had fun with him. If Galactus COULD do that, there'd be no need to fight Mephisto in his realm...he'd just cross his hands, nod his head and Mephisto would be there, kneeling helplessly before him like he did with Protege.

And Galactus didn't beat Mephisto. He made a threat and Mephisto, not knowing if G could do it or not, relented. Hela stalemated Mephisto in his own realm before. So now Galactus has graduated to Hela-level feats. Congrats.



I think you missed the point of that reference. Odin isn't a murderer, so the writers wouldn't have him portrayed as killing trillions as a side effect of his battle. When they say, "long dead galaxies", they mean uninhabited. Nobody lives there anymore. And last I checked, whether or not people live there has no bearing on its ability or inability to be destroyed by cascading energies. So yes, he destroyed galaxies - meaning destroyed stars and its supported solar systems. The feat is identical, but without the implication that Odin is responsible for the deaths of trillions of people.




Your quote, not mine.





Thor is a humanoid. Asgardian physiology is identical to human physiology except hardier. Thor has no molecular self control. He can't regenerate. That's why I wouldn't argue that Magneto can do it to the Surfer - Surfer doesn't have human psysiology. That's why I would argue that Magneto can do it to Thor - Thor DOES have human psysiology, and does NOT have the molecular control necessary to fight it off.



See above explanation. Surfer does NOT have human physiology. Nor do hellord. Some Elder Gods, but they also have fine molecular control over themselves. Thor doesn't fit in any of those categories.



Well, maybe not thick mist. Guess Magneto is in trouble now, huh?

Originally posted by Beyonder
'Kay now name me the abstracts (aside from Eternity, Death, Chaos, and Order) that's above Galactus.


Infinity, Oblivion, Mistress Love, Sire Hate, Anomaly, Anthropomorpho, Origin, Hunger.



Guess not. You're barking up the wrong tree. You'd be better served naming times they've tried something and failed rather than times they just didn't bother. I imagine that as long as their core tasks aren't being interfered with, they won't take part in anything. Killing Eternity, I imagine, wasn't enough to get them motivated. Perhaps changing reality so that everybody hated everybody else would motivate Mistress Love to act.



The difference is that Thanos took a hands on approach to these realities. He wasn't just set to replace Eternity - he was set to replace them all. He unleveled the balance of life and death, of all emotion in the universe. Essentially, he usurped them all. THAT is why they chose to respond. Eternity being rendered catatonic doesn't have the same effect.



It wasn't addressed to you.



he stole it, then combined the two. Not that hard to conclude.



Indeed - no argument from me. But he wouldn't give up on the cosmic cube just because he had G's power.

Originally posted by JWangSDC
Then we're gonna have to call Thor a favorite over Galactus because in all their showings...Thor comes up with some kind of victory.

Well, G wasn't fighting back or anything, so it's not a fair result of a fight. It's more used to look at durability comparisons and regen and stuff like that than actual combat results.



No argument from me, lol.



He's consumed lots of planets. I know that. Unfortunately for him, a Celestial is not a planet, and it requires showing a lot more power than eating a planet to convince me that someone is greater than a Celestial. Celestials destroy planets all the time, so have people like Thor, BRB, Gladiator and Hulk (GREY one of all people)...so what?

i said that Galactus is top 10. (that's all am trying to say)

"Mistress Love, Sire Hate, Anomaly, Anthropomorpho, Origin, Hunger."

how so?

"But you can't have TONS of bad showings and still say it contradicts your capabilities. At some point, even if unintentional, TONS *becomes* the norm. TONS outweighs everything else after awhile. That time has come for Galactus."

well i guess you are right in a way , but when ever big shit goes down Galactus was always there.

Isn't this "Thor vs Magneto"?

How the heck this turn into "Who's more powerful than Galactus?"

Don't take my posts of out context and address them like that. My point was if you just took that showing, he'd be 0 for 1 in consuming planets that he tries to consume. But wouldn't you agree that if it's Galactus vs a Planet...he's clearly the favorite. (He's more likely to consume the planet than it is likely to stop him from consuming it) Starting to see my point at all?

Originally posted by demigawd
No argument from me, lol.



He's consumed lots of planets. I know that. Unfortunately for him, a Celestial is not a planet, and it requires showing a lot more power than eating a planet to convince me that someone is greater than a Celestial. Celestials destroy planets all the time, so have people like Thor, BRB, Gladiator and Hulk (GREY one of all people)...so what?

and thor would whoop magnetos ass

Originally posted by JWangSDC
Don't take my posts of out context and address them like that. My point was if you just took that showing, he'd be 0 for 1 in consuming planets that he tries to consume. But wouldn't you agree that if it's Galactus vs a Planet...he's clearly the favorite. (He's more likely to consume the planet than it is likely to stop him from consuming it) Starting to see my point at all?

Galactus has been shown consuming planets before, and he's been showing beating the heroes before. But when you're putting him up against cosmic beings, you HAVE to go by similar battles he's been in and they've been in to come up with some logical even ground for determing a result. You can't just assume that Galactus kicks ass off-panel and hope that counts as evidence...it doesn't.

Originally posted by kgkg
i said that Galactus is top 10. (that's all am trying to say)

"Mistress Love, Sire Hate, Anomaly, Anthropomorpho, Origin, Hunger."

how so?


Galactus is basically limited to the physical world. He can't really even cross dimensions on his own. Abstracts are beyond the physical world - G literally has no means of hurting them at all. Additionally, they control reality across the omniverse - everything bends to their will, including all physical things. Just to give an example, they were able to exert an effect on Thanos even while wielding the IG. They DEFINE those concepts - they embody them. Sire Hate can cause Galactus to mentally collapse by pounding him with pure hate. It sounds silly, but that's the only way to define the effect it has. it bends the very meaning of the reality of hate, and G wouldn't be able to cope. Think that would have no effect? The Eye of Agamotto worked on G and drove him off...and in terms of emotional manipulation, that is absolutely nothing compared to what abstracts can do.



I don't despute his importance in the hierarchy. Bush is extremely important in world affairs, and anytime something major goes down, he's going to be in on it. But I bet I could whoop his ass.

magneto doesnt even have a chance here in my opinion. Sure magneto can use his powers to lift up cars and throw it at thor or even blast him with an EMP blast, but what is that compared to a bolt of lightning from a thunder god.

so everyone agrees, galactus is really strong and thor whoops magneto's ass. Excellent

JWangSDC 1, Demigawd 0

magneto is pretty strong too, but his power is more large area damage etc, thor is mystical in nature and mlijnor can easily destroy magneto's shield, but given a decent writer, i think they both have a chance.

remember that time when magneto, before his latest upgrade, beat the avengers all at once?