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I was just surfing the web for porn, and I accidentally came upon a site full of child pornography. Should I report it to the fbi?

Seen as how it is illegal..yea

K

Yes most def. report it.

Done.

Yes.

I got spammed with child porn in my e-mail...I was so livid I wrote my server and msn ...I felt kinda violated.

I had the same thing happen to me, BK.

Originally posted by Cosmic_Beings
I was just surfing the web for porn, and I accidentally came upon a site full of child pornography. Should I report it to the fbi?

That happened to me once. Absolutely disgusting, made my stomach hurt.

Didn't report it because I was underage.

report it, maybe they can do something about it from your tip, you never know, if the guy goes to jail it will be one less sicko taking those kinda picture of children.

I sent an anonymous report to the fbi with the url. I bet it'll be down with in a few hours and the people behind it arrested, but I'm not going to check.

Id clear out my cookies ASAP...you don't want any trace of that junk laying around your comp.

Yeah, I'm really worried about that. As soon as I saw it, I considered erasing my hard drive immediately. I'm still thinking about it, since that's the only way to make sure everything is gone.

No point in cleaing your HD. If anything your IP is already logged in there database that you visited the website.

dude don't worry about this man, you reported it and you should be on record. You aren't going to get in trouble. I don't think it would hurt to ghost your comp anyway but even if you don't don't lose sleep over it, you did the right thing by reporting it man

I've had that shit sent to me before too...it's sickening. Hopefully those images are off of my computer since I cleaned my cookies immediatley.

Otherwise I'll have to wipe my Hd too.

I would be willing to bet that if you reported it, that the FBI or some other government organization already knows. I hope it wasn't an eastern european site, it's hard to prove they're not 18. No pun intended.

that happend to my brother in law once. he got a picture of a 12 year old getting beat and raped. he reported it and the fbi still came to his house they took his pc looked through all his stuff the only thing that saved his ass was he reported it .

Originally posted by Tex
That happened to me once. Absolutely disgusting, made my stomach hurt.

Didn't report it because I was underage.

same here... child porn is absolutley SICK

it's really bad in P2P programs too, I was searching for a song by the dead kennedys called "a child and his lawnmower" (a short and funny song about a guy shooting his lawnmower for not starting) and got a but load of links to downloads.
There's a disturbing trend hackers and other miscreants who put spyware on your computer to redirect you to kiddieporn sites, record your activities, then turn you in to the FBI for a reward.
It's frightening how easily someone, government or otherwise can watch, control, or mess up your computer.

Originally posted by loserib
that happend to my brother in law once. he got a picture of a 12 year old getting beat and raped. he reported it and the fbi still came to his house they took his pc looked through all his stuff the only thing that saved his ass was he reported it .

You've got to be kidding me...

Yeah man, you're going down.

That was rather clumpsy.. never screw around with the FBI, even to report anything such as Child porn.. FBI don't give a sh!t.. they'll bust your ass instead.

If they take my computer or anything, man... that would change my whole view on life.

tell them to **** off if they come to your house...

It's the bush administration, if they are anything like the reagan administration (and they are), to them child porn is a 45 year old woman dressed as a school girl with pigtails.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I would be willing to bet that if you reported it, that the FBI or some other government organization already knows. I hope it wasn't an eastern european site, it's hard to prove they're not 18. No pun intended. Why are you assuming that Eastern Europe is making this kind of stuff. it is disgusting.
and i'm sure it came from USA or Western Europe schmoll



and honestly. why are ppl doing this. it is just WRONG. they're hurting children. making them do stuff. and it is just....



not to mention: why were you looking for porn anyway?

People are sick and like to cash in on other people's problems. It's a sick and exploitive industry.
As for why he was looking for legitimate porn, that's his business since legitimate pornography is legal and perfectly fine as long as you don't become an addict who blows large quantities of money on movies, extra memory, and subscriptions instead of getting a girlfriend. Sometimes people run out of spank ideas or need more ideas in the bedroom (though porn is probably not the best choice for new ideas).

Originally posted by Clovie
Why are you assuming that Eastern Europe is making this kind of stuff. it is disgusting.
and i'm sure it came from USA or Western Europe schmoll



and honestly. why are ppl doing this. it is just WRONG. they're hurting children. making them do stuff. and it is just....



not to mention: why were you looking for porn anyway?

i don't wanna know why..i meant it more rethorically i just think that ppl should have other ways ....ermm....yes other ways

To everybody said that formatting your harddrive would have any use your wrong...

It doesn't, even using a program like killdisk won't have any use, if they want to arrest you for wtaching child porn they will, but honestly why would they? They have more important fish to catch then somebody that went on a site like that by mistake...

And actually most child porn does come from Eastern European and Asian sites, its harder for the goverment to arrest somebody there... Out there its a very profitable industry so reporting it won't do anything, its not like the FBI can shut something like that down. No matter what international laws say.

They do it to get money. They would do it to their own children if they would get money from it...

What's more disturbing:

That people would do this to children or that people will pay to see it being done?

The one's that do it

As disturbing as child pornography is and that many choose to view it, I also find it disturbing that the gov't always knows what you are looking at and where you visit on your computer. The fact that it is so well known and so casually accepted is also a lil' freaky to me.

Originally posted by Smoothcriminal
That was rather clumpsy.. never screw around with the FBI, even to report anything such as Child porn.. FBI don't give a sh!t.. they'll bust your ass instead.

exactly.

thank you patriot act!

Originally posted by KharmaDog
The fact that it is so well known and so casually accepted is also a lil' freaky to me.

FOUR MORE YEARS!!!

Originally posted by KharmaDog
As disturbing as child pornography is and that many choose to view it, I also find it disturbing that the gov't always knows what you are looking at and where you visit on your computer. The fact that it is so well known and so casually accepted is also a lil' freaky to me. If you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to hide

Originally posted by dave123
If you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to hide

im just going to assume that was sarcasm

Originally posted by PVS
im just going to assume that was sarcasm Huh? Why would it be sarcastic?

Originally posted by Darth Jello
There's a disturbing trend hackers and other miscreants who put spyware on your computer to redirect you to kiddieporn sites, record your activities, then turn you in to the FBI for a reward.
It's frightening how easily someone, government or otherwise can watch, control, or mess up your computer.

read this. its not bullshit. its quite possible to get charged with having kiddie porn when you did absolutely nothing wrong.

Zonealarm that pc my friends

Originally posted by dave123
If you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to hide

That's what people thought during the McCarthy era too, and look what happened to those suckers.

If you don't mind tabs being kept on you, that's your prerogative, I think it's disturbing.

I visit tons of adult entertaining websites very too often. And NEVER came accross ANY child pornography. Not even something similar everything is 18 and older. Sorry to say this but something is very wrong with your searches Cosmic being.

If you guys want a good read, research the Meese pornography hearings from the 80's.
The story goes that, Attorney General Ed Meese was facing a buttload of trouble because he was too stupid to take a bribe right, so to deflect attention from himself, he went on a crusade and held hearings in the senate trying to prove that all that was evil in society was caused by pornography. He spent a lot of money to get "expert witnesses" who asked questions like "is it illegal to have sex with a corpse if you're married to it?" In the end, nothing was done, a lot of money was wasted, and Meese spent the next five years in front of a grand jury.

WD, its not that theres somethin wrong with the searches its that attached to some of these links are crap filled porn sites that direct you to fetish, BDSM and child porn sites. What makes the difference is if you keep watching it.

he did not report it to the fbi he reprted it to aol .the fbi had been tracking it all the way from germany.he never did get his computer back and that was like 2 years ago.

Originally posted by a1hsauce
WD, its not that theres somethin wrong with the searches its that attached to some of these links are crap filled porn sites that direct you to fetish, BDSM and child porn sites. What makes the difference is if you keep watching it.

True, those you really gotta watch out for. I get what you're saying.

Originally posted by WindDancer
True, those you really gotta watch for. I get what you're saying.

not that i watch porn or anything... just wat ive heard

Originally posted by PVS
exactly.

thank you patriot act!



FOUR MORE YEARS!!!

Yes! lets blame Bush and the Government for trying to bust people looking at kiddy porn!

Originally posted by KidRock
Yes! lets blame Bush and the Government for trying to bust people looking at kiddy porn!

YES!!! lets not pay attention to the conversation and look like a complete jackass!!!

Originally posted by Clovie
Why are you assuming that Eastern Europe is making this kind of stuff. it is disgusting.
and i'm sure it came from USA or Western Europe schmoll



and honestly. why are ppl doing this. it is just WRONG. they're hurting children. making them do stuff. and it is just....



not to mention: why were you looking for porn anyway?

I'm not assuming. I've been known to look at porn from time to time, and I assure you...a lot of it comes from eastern Europe. You can tell because instead of screaming "YEAH! YEAH!", they scream "JA! JA!". And the reason I know a lot of child pronography come from there is because when you follow links on teh pages, just looking for different porn, invariably you end up on some back room kiddie porn website. Then you have to close out of it as quickly as possible. On top of that, the porn from that part of the world is an industry that isn't as tightly regulated as it is in western Europe and North America. Now, you can't prove that the people in this porn are under 18, but you can't prove they are either. But, just from watching it, you sometimes get the feeling that this guy isn't quite 18 yet. That's when you log off.

Originally posted by KidRock
Yes! lets blame Bush and the Government for trying to bust people looking at kiddy porn!

Originally posted by PVS
YES!!! lets not pay attention to the conversation and look like a complete jackass!!!

Kidrock, do you see the problems that you get yourself into when you only have half a clue?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Kidrock, do you see the problems that you get yourself into when you only have half a clue?

they say ignorance is bliss...so kidrock must be living a 24-7 orgasm

Originally posted by PVS
they say ignorance is bliss...so kidrock must be living a 24-7 orgasm

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
it's hard to prove they're not 18. No pun intended. Hah, nice.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I'm not assuming. I've been known to look at porn from time to time, and I assure you...a lot of it comes from eastern Europe. You can tell because instead of screaming "YEAH! YEAH!", they scream "JA! JA!". And the reason I know a lot of child pronography come from there is because when you follow links on teh pages, just looking for different porn, invariably you end up on some back room kiddie porn website. Then you have to close out of it as quickly as possible. On top of that, the porn from that part of the world is an industry that isn't as tightly regulated as it is in western Europe and North America. Now, you can't prove that the people in this porn are under 18, but you can't prove they are either. But, just from watching it, you sometimes get the feeling that this guy isn't quite 18 yet. That's when you log off. what you've said makes sense..
but i still don't like this idea

I don't think anyone approves of it. At least not anyone that doesn't buy it or watch it or support the industry.

good point. and the ones who does must be really having something wrong with mind

supply=demand

we have alot of sickos living among us

Originally posted by WindDancer
I visit tons of adult entertaining websites very too often. And NEVER came accross ANY child pornography. Not even something similar everything is 18 and older. Sorry to say this but something is very wrong with your searches Cosmic being.

Actually nothing is wrong with my searches, it was a complete accident.

Anyhow, many of Cosmic Beings' posts are...hmm...diplomatically put, devised to incite a reaction and a fair amount of attention.

*Whistles.*

Actually, this really happened and I really did report it to the fbi.

how closely is child porn regulated though... alot of it is still out there on the black market.

Originally posted by a1hsauce
how closely is child porn regulated though... alot of it is still out there on the black market.

They really can't do that much as long as the sellers are in other country's... You sometimes hear a large international childporn syndacite has been picked up, but with the numbers they provide it hardly strikes me as large... And seeing as a lot of the child porn comes from country's where the goverment won't act against it, there really is very little that can be done against childporn

I've come across it accidentally before now.... I was searching for Scout websites (to steal ideas for troop nights, mainly!!) and some of the sites just look so innocuous... to read the names you'd never know.... I reported them to our Scout HQ....

Originally posted by Cosmic_Beings
I was just surfing the web for porn, and I accidentally came upon a site full of child pornography Yeah right! We all believe you "accidentally" came across it!

We bow to your superior knowledge of the English language, Adam. It would be more impressive, however, if you could do that without copy-pasting from dictionary.com.

Though he does have a point.

THE MORE YOU KNOW...

i don't see the point of correcting grammatical errors at this stage...

anyone with any grasp of english would have got ah1sauce's point...

it was pointless...

and for the record, i've never come across any while online...

^ I don't know (about the grammar), either. Posters seem to be more erratic now for some reason.

the only things i worry about are the fact that not enough governments take sufficient action to stop this...

in ireland there have been several cases where people had thousands of these images and were simply fined (one was a celebrity who simply paid it off easily). Something needs to be done...

Originally posted by FeceMan
We bow to your superior knowledge of the English language, Adam. It would be more impressive, however, if you could do that without copy-pasting from dictionary.com.

Though he does have a point.

THE MORE YOU KNOW...

Had I not posted the definition, there would be no evidence that he is incorrect, and it would appear as if it is nothing more than my opinion.

Perhaps if you provided evidence for your arguments instead of simply stating your opinions, you would not experience the frustration you describe in the Psychology on KMC thread.

Moreover, if I was unable to correct him without the use of a dictionary, I would not have been able to recognize his mistake in the first place.



Originally posted by pr1983
i don't see the point of correcting grammatical errors at this stage...

anyone with any grasp of english would have got ah1sauce's point...

it was pointless...

and for the record, i've never come across any while online...

You do not see the difference between "regulating" and "monitoring" child pornography? Someone with a grasp of the English language should know the difference.

sometimes kmc posters do seem to be hysterical about other ppl's grammar, yes.
but I'm with Adam on this one regulating was inappropriate

What happened to monogamy, people? You find a nice group of reliable pornsites and you stick with them. Then you don't run that high of a risk of accidentally walking into a kiddy porn site.

I guess back in my day it was a simpler time.

This is trivial, back to discussing kiddie porn.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE


You do not see the difference between "regulating" and "monitoring" child pornography? Someone with a grasp of the English language should know the difference.

i saw the difference, but since when is it your responsibility to correct anyone... we all knew what he meant... and being patronising won't help either...

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
What happened to monogamy, people? You find a nice group of reliable pornsites and you stick with them. Then you don't run that high of a risk of accidentally walking into a kiddy porn site.

I guess back in my day it was a simpler time.

indeed... i agree... what happened to the good old days...

backfire is right... my apologies for clogging up the thread...

I don't like child pornography or the idea of it, that much is obvious.

However, would you NOT say it's better for males or females with attractions to children to watch it on the net as opposed to going out and kidnapping some kid?

No replies saying "Oh you condone child porn" please, read what I said first.

-AC

Oh, you condone child porn, AC!! You sick bastard!!!!!!!!!!

That's a good point you make, actually.

Happened with Pete Townshend of The Who.

There was child porn found on his comp and everyone, as they have a habit of doing, branded him a paedophile.

From the start I thought, so? So the guy whacks off to kids. Not my cup of tea, can't say I condone the making of child porn....but all the guy did was whack off to porn. He's not molesting or kidnapping kids.

I'd much rather have a man or woman watch two kids committing or carrying out sexual acts on the net, masturbate and then have it out of their system. As opposed to it being bottled up and then having them going out to kidnap a child.

Same as how I'd rather have a manic aggressive nutjob watch a movie of humans getting raped and slaughter if it helps get it out of his or her system and prevents him or her going out and doing it.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't like child pornography or the idea of it, that much is obvious.

However, would you NOT say it's better for males or females with attractions to children to watch it on the net as opposed to going out and kidnapping some kid?

No replies saying "Oh you condone child porn" please, read what I said first.

-AC

must i remind you of the law of supply and demand?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't like child pornography or the idea of it, that much is obvious.

However, would you NOT say it's better for males or females with attractions to children to watch it on the net as opposed to going out and kidnapping some kid?

No replies saying "Oh you condone child porn" please, read what I said first.

-AC

interesting...

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Happened with Pete Townshend of The Who.

There was child porn found on his comp and everyone, as they have a habit of doing, branded him a paedophile.

From the start I thought, so? So the guy whacks off to kids. Not my cup of tea, can't say I condone the making of child porn....but all the guy did was whack off to porn. He's not molesting or kidnapping kids.

I'd much rather have a man or woman watch two kids committing or carrying out sexual acts on the net, masturbate and then have it out of their system. As opposed to it being bottled up and then having them going out to kidnap a child.

Same as how I'd rather have a manic aggressive nutjob watch a movie of humans getting raped and slaughter if it helps get it out of his or her system and prevents him or her going out and doing it.

-AC

but the question remains, for that stuff to appear online somebody is doing it somewhere...

i do get what you're saying though...

No PVS, I'm aware.

I posed a question, in search of an answer.

You must post that, if you wish.

Originally posted by pr1983
but the question remains, for that stuff to appear online somebody is doing it somewhere...

i do get what you're saying though...

Yeah but what's better? Someone committing it...someone watching it and then NOT doing it. Or someone committing it...someone watching it and then doing it also?

-AC

thats IS the answer.

people want something, the demand goes up,
and more kids get taken advantage of.

the only thing keeping the demand down is that its illegal and
most sickos who want it are afraid to get it.

and i understand what you are saying as well, but really, wtf is better
about children being molested on camera as opposed to off?
one will not prevent the other, in fact such material would probably encourage it.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah but what's better? Someone committing it...someone watching it and then NOT doing it. Or someone committing it...someone watching it and then doing it also?

bad deduction AC.

along that train of thought, i guess people who watch pornography dont need or want sex?

Not for the 5 minutes after they shoot their nut too the porn.

No, THAT was a bad deduction.

I'm not saying those who watch child porn don't become paedophiles as a result, just saying that it IS a way of getting those lust feelings out of their system.

The supply doesn't neccessarily get higher. There's enough porn on the net to last everyone a life time, porn need not ever be filmed again I should imagine. However I see what you're saying there.

There is no "better", but I'm saying if it reduces acts of paedophilia, it must be a lesser of two evils.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri



Yeah but what's better? Someone committing it...someone watching it and then NOT doing it. Or someone committing it...someone watching it and then doing it also?

-AC

you know as much as anyone, if u see something online that gets you off you're going to want to try it for real...

5 minutes... and then they think "hey, that looks fun..." i do know what you mean bf, but in the long run its not going to mean much...

but still... if ur watching it, that leads people to believe that its okay. and it isnt

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, THAT was a bad deduction.

I'm not saying those who watch child porn don't become paedophiles as a result, just saying that it IS a way of getting those lust feelings out of their system.-AC

not really AC. masturbation is a temporary release. not only that, but pornos get boring and need replenishing. can you imagine having the same single porno for all your sexually active life? sick or not sick, human beings crave variety. if they can posess one video and get away with it, you honestly think that they are just gonna say "hey, i got my kiddie porn! now ill just lock myself in my room and watch this single video for the rest of my life"
c'mon dude

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The supply doesn't neccessarily get higher. There's enough porn on the net to last everyone a life time, porn need not ever be filmed again I should imagine. However I see what you're saying there.

the reason there is such a stockpile of kiddie porn is that it has gone unchecked. who knows how many children have become victims to this 'industry'

we are not witnessing the beginning of the problem, but are well into it. but be assured, there will never be enough of anything, especially of a sexual nature....ever.


Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There is no "better", but I'm saying if it reduces acts of paedophilia, it must be a lesser of two evils.

-AC

it reduces nothing AC. does porn make you NOT feel like having sex? what makes you think the rules are different in the case of a child molester? its all impulse.

One could also say that if someone is getting off on child porn, that it is encouraging or intensifying that deviant obsession or pleasure.

Not that everyone will progress to act upon it themselves, but it is a distinct possiblilty once a person has crossed that line.

imho the presence of kiddie porn is inconsequential to whether or not a paedophile will molest a child. whether he/she spanks the monkey to one of those videos or not, the intent is there. either way, if they have the will to commit the act, they will.

I can't remember the name, but it's something like the "theory of escalating erotic fixation". It happens to everyone to a certain degree (we all wanna try something new) but it can really manifest itself in some ugly ways in some people.

Originally posted by PVS
not really AC. masturbation is a temporary release. not only that, but pornos get boring and need replenishing. can you imagine having the same single porno for all your sexually active life? sick or not sick, human beings crave variety. if they can posess one video and get away with it, you honestly think that they are just gonna say "hey, i got my kiddie porn! now ill just lock myself in my room and watch this single video for the rest of my life"
c'mon dude

Some people just find it a turn on, those people aren't neccessarily paedophiles. Pete Townshend for example. It's possible that he would have had to feed that need some other way if he didn't have another avenue to go down.

Originally posted by PVS
the reason there is such a stockpile of kiddie porn is that it has gone unchecked. who knows how many children have become victims to this 'industry'

we are not witnessing the beginning of the problem, but are well into it. but be assured, there will never be enough of anything, especially of a sexual nature....ever.

I know there won't I was speaking in theory, slightly exaggerated. Obviously you must see my point. I don't like children being victims of pornography but what I'm saying is, if it exists (which it does) then SURELY it's better to let a man or woman with child attraction, jerk off to that and possibly not want to go out and do drastic actions as a result.


Originally posted by PVS
it reduces nothing AC. does porn make you NOT feel like having sex? what makes you think the rules are different in the case of a child molester? its all impulse.

Porn doesn't create sexual thoughts. There ARE sexual thoughts, therefore there is porn.

See how it works?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Some people just find it a turn on, those people aren't neccessarily paedophiles.

Actually if they are sexually attracted to and turned on by children then they do suffer from some level of paedophilia as that is the very definition of Paedophilia.

Yeah that's true.

In this case I mean actually acting it out. For example, if I see a woman being raped on video and get turned on by it or if I'm turned on by rape in general (I'm not, before you ask), it doesn't mean that I am going to go out and rape someone. It doesn't mean that a man with rapist mentality will watch it and then not do it....but it doesn't mean that anyone who does, will.

Same with child porn, it is entirely possible that someone might watch it with nothing more than an attraction. Not intent to go out and do it.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Some people just find it a turn on, those people aren't neccessarily paedophiles.

AC, here you just drive me out of my freaking skull.
YES. THEY. ARE.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
if it exists (which it does) then SURELY it's better to let a man or woman with child attraction, jerk off to that and possibly not want to go out and do drastic actions as a result.

hey, if you want to rest on the theory that porn eliminates sex then fine. i dont feel like dancing around this one again


Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Porn doesn't create sexual thoughts. There ARE sexual thoughts, therefore there is porn.

so...YOU AGREE WITH ME

the sexual thoughts exist in the mind of the viewer. they are there regardless of whether or not they have porn. porn does not add to it, BUT at the same time it doesnt take away.

you never answered my question. does porn make you not want to have sex?
simple question. if a molester can jerk off to kiddie porn and release all urge to molest a child, then that would mean the same applies for sane human beings with sane porn. you should just be able to whack off and never have a care in the world about ever getting laid. yeah, OF COARSE its nonesense

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It doesn't mean that a man with rapist mentality will watch it and then not do it....but it doesn't mean that anyone who does, will.

-AC

well make up your mind dude. does porn take away the urge or not? the whole start of your arguement was based on the notion that it does and now you say it doesnt matter.

according to your initial post applied here, that potential rapist would feel satisfied enough from the video to not rape (generally)

Originally posted by PVS
AC, here you just drive me out of my freaking skull.
YES. THEY. ARE.

Dealt with. Was just poor explanation on my part, apologies.

Originally posted by PVS
hey, if you want to rest on the theory that porn eliminates sex then fine. i dont feel like dancing around this one again

I never said porn eliminates sex. However I'm sure that if porn didn't exist there would be alot more forced intercourse on Earth.

Originally posted by PVS
so...YOU AGREE WITH ME

the sexual thoughts exist in the mind of the viewer. they are there regardless of whether or not they have porn. porn does not add to it, BUT at the same time it doesnt take away.

Yeah, and what can thoughts alone do? Nothing if you're not willing to act on them.

Originally posted by PVS
you never answered my question. does porn make you not want to have sex?
simple question. if a molester can jerk off to kiddie porn and release all urge to molest a child, then that would mean the same applies for sane human beings with sane porn. you should just be able to whack off and never have a care in the world about ever getting laid. yeah, OF COARSE its nonesense

Answer to your question: Not really. I'm not a big porn watcher but the only times I've ever watched it have been when I can't get laid right at that second or at that day. Because porn is a relief aid. I don't sit here with no sexual arousal and feel the miraculous need to jerk off, because I don't have any thoughts. If the thoughts are there, then the relief aid comes in.

If I'm horny and I jerk off, I'm not horny anymore. You're missing the point.

I never said if you masturbate it removes will to have sex for life, way to blow things out of proportion.

It's entirely possible for someone to be attracted to watching something, not neccessarily being a part of it. I know females who say they get turned on by watching rape scenes in movies (which from a psychological standpoint is semi-understandable) but they don't walk out the door hoping they get raped. A man or woman might get turned on by watching two kids doing it, it doesn't neccessarily mean they want to have sex with a child.

Originally posted by PVS
well make up your mind dude. does porn take away the urge or not? the whole start of your arguement was based on the notion that it does and now you say it doesnt matter. according to your initial post applied here, that potential rapist would feel satisfied enough from the video to not rape (generally)

That's possibly the biggest misinterpretation there is.

Don't misinterpret my posts to your liking, then apply your logic to it and claim that I'm changing my mind. I gave you an instance and asked a question. I never change my point of view. I just elaborated on it while you twisted it.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I never said porn eliminates sex. However I'm sure that if porn didn't exist there would be a lot more forced intercourse on Earth.
-AC
Yeah, I'd totally agree with that.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If I'm horny and I jerk off, I'm not horny anymore.

for how long? an hour? seriously
its a temporary release and in the long run, not substantial

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I never said if you masturbate it removes will to have sex for life, way to blow things out of proportion.

not out of proportion at all. a peadophile wants to have sex with a child. the only thing stopping them is the concequences, and perhaps a remaining shred of morals. however, wouldnt those morals erode through constant rewarding of that urge through porn?

either way, the porn doesnt matter. at best it will delay, but not prevent.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's entirely possible for someone to be attracted to watching something, not neccessarily being a part of it. I know females who say they get turned on by watching rape scenes in movies (which from a psychological standpoint is semi-understandable) but they don't walk out the door hoping they get raped. -AC

i have heard of this too. but its (from my understanding) a forceful initiation of sex, not forceful entry. (i tried to wrap my brain around this many times, but can never understand...but maybe thats a good thing, right?) the scenario being: she WANTS to have sex with him but for whatever reason refuses, and he refuses to accept the 'no' and persists in groping her until she finally lets go of whatever inhabition she was holding on to. in court that might stand up as rape with a good lawyer, but in a romance novel...thats different i suppose. but lets stick to the true meaning of 'rape' which is forced sex with the victim having no attraction to the victimiser at the time of the rape.

edit: hmmmm do i smell 'new topic'?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Dealt with. Was just poor explanation on my part, apologies.

i just looked out my window, and apparently pigs are flying

oops, double post

Originally posted by PVS
for how long? an hour? seriously

Why do you continually misunderstand me? Read my posts again, see what my point is and we can discuss further.

Originally posted by PVS
not out of proportion at all. a peadophile wants to have sex with a child. the only thing stopping them is the concequences, and perhaps a remaining shred of morals. however, wouldnt those morals erode through constant rewarding of that urge through porn?

either way, the porn doesnt matter. at best it will delay, but not prevent.

No, a paedophile by definition has an attraction. Someone who watched child porn may by definition be a paedophile, they may also just be attracted to watching the children. Let's not go wild here.

Consequences are stopping them, exactly. Those are some pretty big consequences that stop alot of people. If we could factually tally everyone attracted to child porn and every one who has committed a sexual act I'm sure the former would be greater.

Originally posted by PVS
i have heard of this too. but its (from my understanding) a forceful initiation of sex, not forceful entry. (i tried to wrap my brain around this many times, but can never understand...but maybe thats a good thing, right?) the scenario being: she WANTS to have sex with him but for whatever reason refuses, and he refuses to accept the 'no' and persists in groping her until she finally lets go of whatever inhabition she was holding on to. in court that would stand up as rape, but in a romance novel...thats different i suppose. but lets stick to the true meaning of 'rape' which is forced sex with the victim having no attraction to the victimiser

Yeah I understand. I don't think we need to drag this off, we both understand each other I think, even if we disagree.

My main point is, if someone just has a degree of paedophilia that stops at attraction, surely it's much better for them to continually get the urge out through masturbating to it than doing it themselves.

-AC

AC - you do know that a great deal of child porn isn't children having sex with each other right? It can be children on their own, children with other children, and often children with adults. In each case the children are being victimized. I get the sense when reading your posts that you don't get the heinous way these kids are being treated and getting screwed up in all of this.

Originally posted by PVS
not out of proportion at all. a peadophile wants to have sex with a child. the only thing stopping them is the concequences, and perhaps a remaining shred of morals. however, wouldnt those morals erode through constant rewarding of that urge through porn?

either way, the porn doesnt matter. at best it will delay, but not prevent.


I dunno... What is a paedophile? Somebody who looks at child porn. However, if every one of those people (say on the sex offenders list in Britain), who was a paedophile, actually abused children, they'd be in prison for a much longer time, not just for looking at it.

i'm not misunderstanding you AC. i just refuse to accept your dodgy swiss cheese theory on paedophiles being under control thanks to kiddie porn. from this point on we are just dancing in a big circle

I never said they were under control, I said that definition paedophiles might stay that way if they use kiddie porn. Which isn't outlandish.

-AC

But it seems that you are accepting the "making" of kiddy porn, or at least reasoning a justification for it. And I find that disturbing.

Originally posted by Cosmic_Beings
I was just surfing the web for porn, and I accidentally came upon a site full of child pornography. Should I report it to the fbi?

I would.JM

I don't think AC is advocating paedophilia at all.

He's simply stating that paedophiles stay paedophiles because of kiddy porn.

Of course, it opens up the question that if there was no kiddy porn available, would they still be attracted to children?

Originally posted by Trickster
He's simply stating that paedophiles stay paedophiles because of kiddy porn.

well you need to review his posts again. niether he nor i would agree with what you said

I read 'em all, and I thought that is what he was trying to say.

I didn't say I agree with it, but I thought he was saying that paedophiles don't go and abuse children because they have kiddy porn to watch.

That's what I meant by my post - I meant paedophiles stay at their computers to watch porn rather than becoming child abusers.

Originally posted by Clovie
not to mention: why were you looking for porn anyway?

What else is the internet used for?

Originally posted by Trickster
I read 'em all, and I thought that is what he was trying to say.

I didn't say I agree with it, but I thought he was saying that paedophiles don't go and abuse children because they have kiddy porn to watch.

That's what I meant by my post - I meant paedophiles stay at their computers to watch porn rather than becoming child abusers.

And by that logic does porn on the internet keep hetrosexual males from engaging in sex with women? Although porn is an outlet for sexual urges, porn is not a substitue for sex.

Trickster, missed what I said by about a mile buddy.

Not Kharma, I'm not condoning Kiddie Porn. Read the first post I made.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I never said they were under control, I said that definition paedophiles might stay that way if they use kiddie porn. Which isn't outlandish.

-AC

Just coming in. If this was already done, sorry.

Anyhoo. I completely disagree. Nearly every study done by reputable and reliable experts have found that "kiddy porn" actually INCREASES a pedophile's prediliction to abuse children. It doesn't decrease. Eventually through masturbation, the pedophile will become disatsfied with the "kiddy porn" and will eventually pursue the real thing. Every convicted pedophile in America has followed the same pattern.

Unfortunately, "kiddy porn" often shows children in vulnerable states at deserted locations. Some even have instructions and tips. The pedophiles will begin lusting for the real thing. Masturbation isn't going to solve it. It never has.

In fact with the rise of kiddy porn on the Internet, there has been statistical evidence for an alarming rise in child abuse.

I think it's not good if paedos view it, it probably will only fuel their gross sexual desire for kids.

a couple of our cops just got done for kiddie porn...lol..silly old men

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
I would.JM


You would also buy magic beans from a travelling salesman. You suck.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
You would also buy magic beans from a travelling salesman. You suck.

Originally posted by Draco69
Just coming in. If this was already done, sorry.

Anyhoo. I completely disagree. Nearly every study done by reputable and reliable experts have found that "kiddy porn" actually INCREASES a pedophile's prediliction to abuse children. It doesn't decrease. Eventually through masturbation, the pedophile will become disatsfied with the "kiddy porn" and will eventually pursue the real thing. Every convicted pedophile in America has followed the same pattern.

Unfortunately, "kiddy porn" often shows children in vulnerable states at deserted locations. Some even have instructions and tips. The pedophiles will begin lusting for the real thing. Masturbation isn't going to solve it. It never has.

In fact with the rise of kiddy porn on the Internet, there has been statistical evidence for an alarming rise in child abuse.
And viewing X-rated material has all sorts of negative side effects on the mind. Welcome to the oh-so-wonderful world of pornograhy, where by fulfilling your immediate gratification, you screw yourself up for life. Hooray!

Originally posted by KharmaDog
And by that logic does porn on the internet keep hetrosexual males from engaging in sex with women? Although porn is an outlet for sexual urges, porn is not a substitue for sex.

thank you
exactly the point i was making, but worded better
EXACTLY

People need to read my posts. Coz I keep seeing you ask questions to things I've covered.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
People need to read my posts. Coz I keep seeing you ask questions to things I've covered.

-AC

last i checked its not 'ask AC about child porn'

http://hia-iha.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/cu/images/m101balamplaskett.jpg

Centre of the Universe

why the hell would kids let ppl take porno pics of them? thats f*cking sick!

The kids are ussually forced, i don't think there are a lot of nine year olds walking around asking old man to take pictures and movies of them while they **** with some other guy....

It's disgusting and purveyors of it gross me out.

http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/24983/FBI_Experts_Trawl_Web_For_Pedophiles

*Gasp* They're onto you!

the name of this thread is misleading. I was expecting pictures.

Originally posted by Cosmic_Beings
I was just surfing the web for porn, and I accidentally came upon a site full of child pornography. Should I report it to the fbi? No, report it to me.

I don't get it. Why do these scumbags have any rights? They don't deserve them. They should round up and exterminate all these freaks. I don't give a shit what happened to them when they were kids.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
the name of this thread is misleading. I was expecting pictures.

Kiddie porn is soooooooo wrong.....It hinders the development of their psychological development and distorts it...

Originally posted by debbiejo


Kiddie porn is soooooooo wrong.....It hinders the development of their psychological development and distorts it...

I dig it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I dig it. My understanding is much better now.......

3 cheers for child pornography

hip-hip

Originally posted by lord xyz
3 cheers for child pornography

hip-hip

Cheer?
Originally posted by debbiejo
My understanding is much better now.......

'tis?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Cheer?


'tis? Just say 'hooray' 3 times.

Sickies

Originally posted by lord xyz
Just say 'hooray' 3 times.

I'm not a jukebox.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm not a jukebox. But you are a Nazi.

Originally posted by lord xyz
But you are a Nazi.

When the time is right...

Originally posted by Bardock42
When the time is right...

Originally posted by Nogoodnamesleft
I don't get it. Why do these scumbags have any rights? They don't deserve them. They should round up and exterminate all these freaks. I don't give a shit what happened to them when they were kids.

Wow, you made logic completely disappear, even while I was watching the post very carefully. You're like David Blaine.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
the name of this thread is misleading. I was expecting pictures.

I love that you'd go there.

ew......

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
People need to read my posts. Coz I keep seeing you ask questions to things I've covered.

-AC

Ever tried catching rain water in a sieve ?

Originally posted by Bardock42
When the time is right... yummmmmmm with cheese.

I hope you're all joking, or else I'm seriously going to vomit.

https://web.cybertip.org/

Thats where you should officially report anything child porn related. If you're in a situation where you have access to ip's, even better. Remember though, it's not child porn if the child is nude yet not showing any specific region(i.e. covering chest ot genitals with hand) or if they are in underwear and just posing provactively. A minor needs to be exposing nude areas(genitals etc) or involved in a sexual act in order for it to constitute child porn.

Sorry for the lecture, I work for one of the largest sites in the world and my department has extensive experience in reporting these cases. Rest assured too, when you go through the site I mentioned it does get followed up on.