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I started this thread because I wanted everyone's opinion on young teenagers/teenagers having sex. For instance im part of a girls advice community on the net and there have been SO MANY 12 and 13 year olds saying they've had sex and/or are pregnant. It really annoys me. I mean, Im 15, turning 16 next month and I havent had sex before. Im not saying I wont, but I wouldnt have when I was supposed to be running around with my lil girlfriends, playing dress up, and playin with fking dolls! I read about this 13 year old girl that is going out with a 21 year old and she wants to have sex with him. THAT IS WRONG! Sex at that age is just wrong.

Indeed, sex at that age is wrong, though there's little anyone can do about it.

i agree that age is way too young but as it was said before theres nothing that can be done but sit back and watch the consequenses * goes and gets popcorn and sits back *

Sex at those young ages is wrong most of the time, there are of course exceptions but those are few...

Sex on 15, 16, 17 years old is perfectly normal however. The only real reason there are so many teenage pregnancies is bad education... Teach those children more and start talking about it like its a sin but more like its something natural and people will get smarter

Yea. Very much true that there is little that can be done about it. They'll regret it if they turn out pregnant. Id much rather lose my virginity to someone I loved around the age of 16-21 then lose it at 13-15 and break up with them a week later...

Originally posted by Fishy
Sex at those young ages is wrong most of the time, there are of course exceptions but those are few...

Sex on 15, 16, 17 years old is perfectly normal however. The only real reason there are so many teenage pregnancies is bad education... Teach those children more and start talking about it like its a sin but more like its something natural and people will get smarter

yea I agree and what I think is that they should start a sex ed class around 6th to 8th grade that is totally optional. I mean I know at that age there are going to be select kids that laugh/joke/make it all out to be one fricken circus but if its optional, those who want to learn can learn!

good for you see you have the right attitude

totally agree

Originally posted by Morbid4Daniel
yea I agree and what I think is that they should start a sex ed class around 6th to 8th grade that is totally optional. I mean I know at that age there are going to be select kids that laugh/joke/make it all out to be one fricken circus but if its optional, those who want to learn can learn!

How many people do you think will actually go to extra classes?

I dont mind teens having sex, if they knew about contranception, but they dont, because they're still wet behind their ears.

I would. Its something Im interested in. They offer it here at the high school, im just speaking of them taking it down a step to middle school.

Sex ed needs to be mandatory beginning in 6th grade thats my view. i know this girl in my neighborhood shes barely out of eight grade and shes already pregnant. pisses the f*** out of me. And the f****in father is 23.

Manditory sounds even better. OMFG..Not to be mean but honestly I would disown her if she were my child and got pregnant at that age. Stupid.

I girl at my school had a miscarrage... she was 11.

It's just wrong!

Underage sex, (at around 13-15 years old), is wrong, but look how f*cked up our society is. Kids are constantly being barraged by sexual images, and they must think, "Hey, let's try this out, I gotta' get me some"....
After 15 though, you really can't do much.
By that time, the Teens have hopefully learned as much as they can, and would do the moral thing, though it's not likely....

EDIT:
Morbid4Daniel> You'd disown your daughter for making a stupid mistake? For doing what society pushes on her each day?
Now that's just stupid.

unfortunately in hispanic culture we dont really do that. Our parents end up taking over the responsiblities and duties of our mistakes.

Sex at a young age can wait. I hold the belief that teens should just concentrate in other things instead of having sex. There is plenty of time and teens shouldn't just rush it. Despite their inner most desires they just should wait till get a bit older.

its not even a desire half the time its just flat out lust

Originally posted by DCLXVI
Underage sex, (at around 13-15 years old), is wrong, but look how f*cked up our society is. Kids are constantly being barraged by sexual images, and they must think, "Hey, let's try this out, I gotta' get me some"....
After 15 though, you really can't do much.
By that time, the Teens have hopefully learned as much as they can, and would do the moral thing, though it's not likely....

EDIT:
Morbid4Daniel> You'd disown your daughter for making a stupid mistake? For doing what society pushes on her each day?
Now that's just stupid.

Omg Yes and speaking of society My county (NELSON) is """NUMBER 3""" on the teen pregnancy scale according to states and statewide. Excuse my language but there are a bunch of FKed up people around here and everything. I bet 1/3 of the population of my school have STD's.

And shunting your hypothetical daughter away is the answer?

I wouldnt totally disagree with Morbid... if i told my daugher how i felt about sex, and taught her about contraception and how the safest sex is abstinence, and she still got pregnant... hell i might kick her out too. Thats being stupid on her part not mine.

100% agreed.

But that's still not the answer....
And wouldn't it always be in the back of your head that the baby could turn out to be a "Crack Baby"? Wouldn't that bother you?

Well tell me what the "answer" is for you?! I mean its not so much as "Disowning" the child for doing wrong, its just the circumstances in which they did it.

I'd admit that they did wrong, and I'd yell and get mad, but I'd help them through it. Be supportive, etc.

well lol i am speaking in hypothetics here, but the real issue is education. I was in my high school journalism class and i had to do research on sex for one of our issues and one of the things I found was that a teenage boy, if he was close to his mother, had a much higher possiblity of prolonging intercourse than a person who wasnt close with their mother...

in other words if a guy was close to his mother, he might not loss his virginity until the age of 19 instead of 16 or even quite possibly retain his virginity till marriage. It all has to do with communication in a household and education.
I really believe that everything stems from the family. If a family communicates well, then theres a higher chance that things could come out great for the kids.

Yeah..I agree. I mean comparing your's and a1's opinions, I wouldnt exactly disown..I mean Id probably go through a 6 week depression and raging mad fit but I may get through it. Its just the fact that Ill have another child to take care of, support, etc.

I see nothing wrong with it.

.......

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
I girl at my school had a miscarrage... she was 11.

It's just wrong!

LOL that sucks

Originally posted by Morbid4Daniel
Yeah..I agree. I mean comparing your's and a1's opinions, I wouldnt exactly disown..I mean Id probably go through a 6 week depression and raging mad fit but I may get through it. Its just the fact that Ill have another child to take care of, support, etc.

Alrighty, and yes, a1h's post actually makes sense, and I agree with it....mostly.
But, I was a Moma's boy, and I didn't retain my virginity....

how old were u when u lost it... if i can ask?

Exactly the age in question: 13.
It was a stupid, stupid thing....in fact, we were lucky that she didn't get pregnant. Very lucky.

at the age of 12, 13, 14 and 15 the girl isn't fully developed so the girl is causing more harm to her and it makes the girl have a bad reputation and it sets a bad image about her... so in essence she's actually does more bad to herself than good...Then she crys complains and whines about people calling her whore, tramp, hoe, and other bad names...Children or younger teenagers now days think it's kool to have sex at a young age without any knowledge onto what physical dieseases there are and that it may be hazardous to there health at such a young age....and parents need to be more invovled with their children and put them in programs to where the parent can be involve like martial arts that way the parent or parents know where the child is and what the child is doing.....Overall i think that children having sex at a young age isn't needed and children or teenagers need to be more supervised more carefully.....

now this is the guy in me talking right now, but i dunno whether to give you the thumbs up or breath a sigh or relief ur not a father right now, but exactly, kids that age, dont really know what it is theyre getting into

Yes....and I agree.
What I'm saying is, we can try, but kids don't listen nowadays, (I sure as hell didn't back in '90, and I almost got a girl pregnant), and I seriously think that if we are to try to change the fact of young kids having sex before they are either fully developed or of legal age, we would have to change the way society thinks as a whole.

Exactly!!!! We need to fund more money in education about sex and what it can do to people... Not encourage it and give out condoms and change alot of the garbage that's on TV now days.... but then again every thing is about money....

unfortunately sex at that age is wrong in today's society... but then as humans we have to change our biological need to procreate at that age and it's hard to go against millions of years of evolution to perpetuate the group in order to survive in a once hostile world...still is in some ways

after all...we are still animals no matter the debate

only now we don't have large carnivorous predatory animals with extremely large teeth chasing down the young, old and sick... hence our need for sex once a girl becomes a woman: her menstrual cycle begins...

it's all in the past yes... yet in some societies there are girls literally married off at 13 to 15 years...

where's it's wrong in our morally conscious, religiously induced country, in others it's not... that's not to say it's all right

education can only do so much... if you want change, then rise up and speak up against all the media frenzy and sex saturated industry we come to know so well

other wise...let the party begin

okay...i'm only joking on that part - sheesh

Do you mean, not encourage it, but five out condoms in case?

i'm not sure what ur trying to say

scare em straight. show the most graphic porn education film ever lol maybe thatll work

in the words of Chef: 17..the right age to loose your virginity is.. 17

OMG Speaking of graphic shit in 9th grade we were in Health and we were shown some of the most HORRIFIC STD's ever. They were beyond graphic. I was probably about 14 at the time and so were my peers so...but..as everyone's been saying..KIDS DONT LISTEN

I personally had sex when I was 14, so I'm kinda out of this discussion.( I used a condom)

what is so wrong with sex as long as no1 gets hurt, catches a disease or gets pregnant?

Absolutely nothing as long as you're careful and know what your getting into and dont just do it because everyone else is. You do it because you and your partner chose to, want to, and love each other, and thats when its okay to have sex (In my opinion)

I agree. If you know the risks, know about protection and how to properly use it, and believe you're ready, then it's okay. Just don't allow yourself to be pushed into it if you don't feel like it's the right time. Though in general I think that under 15 is too young....but then again, I'm 19 and only just had sex for the first time myself.

I agree with all of the above in Lana's comment

Originally posted by Morbid4Daniel
I started this thread because I wanted everyone's opinion on young teenagers/teenagers having sex. For instance im part of a girls advice community on the net and there have been SO MANY 12 and 13 year olds saying they've had sex and/or are pregnant. It really annoys me. I mean, Im 15, turning 16 next month and I havent had sex before. Im not saying I wont, but I wouldnt have when I was supposed to be running around with my lil girlfriends, playing dress up, and playin with fking dolls! I read about this 13 year old girl that is going out with a 21 year old and she wants to have sex with him. THAT IS WRONG! Sex at that age is just wrong.

dolls, 13? now usually girls start smoking at the age of 12/13 and most of them (that I know of) lose their virginity at the age of 15
is it wrong? yeah... they all deserve their childhood, it's obvious they don't want to accept it but everyone should have a normal childhood, they just skip from dolls to parties
I don't think the problem is with sex ed, in fact i think sex ed is a good thing for kids of their ages, to show them what would happen if they have sex with out condoms,how much they birth would hurt, contractions,etc.

I think 15 year-olds to do it at that age is wrong. Some of my friends have.

I've even been pressure to, but I stayed true to myself and said no

I'm not ready.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I dont mind teens having sex, if they knew about contranception, but they dont, because they're still wet behind their ears.


I learned early on about the importance of it. I had a close cousin who ended up getting pregnant in november-ish of her senior year. She ended up dropping out before she graduated. Even though she was old enough to know right from wrong, you're never too old to make stupid mistakes. She is three years older than me, so I learned early on how one stupid mistake can make your entire life fall apart. I ended up going on the Depo Provera shot shortly after I ended up getting serious with my boyfriend (I was 15 at the time, but we're still together almost 4 years later ).

For all the girls out there the Depo Provera shot is a great way to go, in case anyone is interested. It's 99.8% effective, because it shuts your whole baby-producing process down.... and all you do is go get a shot every three months. Although it DOES NOT protect you against STD's, so although its great in preventing pregnancy, it's still best for the guy youre with to use a condom....cause you never know. I'll leave it at that.


So the moral of the story is, schools and parents need to start teaching kids about contraception. Everyone needs to stop acting like sex is evil, and start educating kids, because in the end it will only help them.
Even though abstinence shouldn't be left out, it is mostly practiced by the few teens left who have strong moral, religious, and *ahem* self control. (High five to all those people by the way... way to be sticking to your beliefs).


*sorry if i'm preaching to y'all.....it's just something i really believe strongly in*

Originally posted by leonheartmm
what is so wrong with sex as long as no1 gets hurt, catches a disease or gets pregnant?

that's like saying it's ok to kill people as long as no one finds the bodies and finds out it was me...

Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
I learned early on about the importance of it. I had a close cousin who ended up getting pregnant in november-ish of her senior year. She ended up dropping out before she graduated. Even though she was old enough to know right from wrong, you're never too old to make stupid mistakes. She is three years older than me, so I learned early on how one stupid mistake can make your entire life fall apart. I ended up going on the Depo Provera shot shortly after I ended up getting serious with my boyfriend (I was 15 at the time, but we're still together almost 4 years later ).

For all the girls out there the Depo Provera shot is a great way to go, in case anyone is interested. It's 99.8% effective, because it shuts your whole baby-producing process down.... and all you do is go get a shot every three months. Although it DOES NOT protect you against STD's, so although its great in preventing pregnancy, it's still best for the guy youre with to use a condom....cause you never know. I'll leave it at that.


So the moral of the story is, schools and parents need to start teaching kids about contraception. Everyone needs to stop acting like sex is evil, and start educating kids, because in the end it will only help them.
Even though abstinence shouldn't be left out, it is mostly practiced by the few teens left who have strong moral, religious, and *ahem* self control. (High five to all those people by the way... way to be sticking to your beliefs).


*sorry if i'm preaching to y'all.....it's just something i really believe strongly in*


OMG!!! I love you so much i couldn't say it better myself!!!clap

yea but sumtimes its easy to tell people to not have sex, but avtually from 13 onwards, ur hormones can get a little difficult to handle even if theres no social pressure.

advent child, u make me laugh, since when is HRAMLESS sex = unpunished MURDER? lol

advent child, u make me laugh, since when is HARAMLESS sex = unpunished MURDER? lol

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yea but sumtimes its easy to tell people to not have sex, but avtually from 13 onwards, ur hormones can get a little difficult to handle even if theres no social pressure.

it dosn't really matter if your hormones are all messed up when your 13, your still to young to know the full implications and precautions involved with sex. they dont teach you that stuff at school till your 15 (i assume american is similar to aus in that regard). i'm 18, i have only had sex in the last 6 months, my girlfriend is 17, i dont see anything wrong with that, if she was 14, i'd be ashamed of myself. one of the guys i know slept with a 13 (she might have been 12 we didn't find out) year old. i got a tennis racket and made him bleed

Originally posted by leonheartmm
advent child, u make me laugh, since when is HARAMLESS sex = unpunished MURDER? lol

Somebody actually reads my posts!!!!!
OMG i feel so special!!!! i'm throwing a party!!!

Originally posted by Lana
I agree. If you know the risks, know about protection and how to properly use it, and believe you're ready, then it's okay. Just don't allow yourself to be pushed into it if you don't feel like it's the right time. Though in general I think that under 15 is too young....but then again, I'm 19 and only just had sex for the first time myself.

pretty much exactly how i feel about it, and the last sentence is the same for me also.

we are the same!

I'd stay away from young girls.. that's a scary thought, especially with all the laws and stuff that goes around.

if you're a guy 18+, any little thing and they'll call the cops on your ass and down you go in the child molesting predator list with your ugly ass pic on it. =p

Originally posted by AdventChild
that's like saying it's ok to kill people as long as no one finds the bodies and finds out it was me...

o...m...g...
that has GOT to be the stupider thing I've ever read on KMC

I've had sex at 15 the first time.It was great, it was also strange.
It's not like you imagine it.Anyway I think that when's you're attracted from another girls, and she's attracted too, there's nothing wrong into doing sex, whenever there's respect you can do anything.But sometimes, teen agers thinks having sex is like a game or thinks they "MUST" have sex in their early years, like they are playing a competition and that's wrong.
Sex is good when it's something that give you pleasure and is not sawed as a game or a something you "MUST" do.I've had sex most of the times cause I wasn't even looking for a girl that want it, than the times I was thinking I "NEED" it.

I guess you're right

JUST DO IT!

crybaby

no seriously do what?

Teenage sex is the cornerstone of American Society happybday

but its wrong.. well it depends 13 = not cool ; 16 = 's aiight

yeah

Originally posted by IceWithin
but its wrong.. well it depends 13 = not cool ; 16 = 's aiight

I believe that too.

They're both illegal ages. Why is one better than the other Ice?

Just out of curiousity.

-AC

Well they're both "legally" wrong but sex at 13 is while you're still a kid. I mean you're over halfway to 30 when you're 16 and you can make better decisions. A 16 year old has more chance of making better decisions than a 13 year old.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
They're both illegal ages. Why is one better than the other Ice?

Just out of curiousity.

-AC

AC, ure hobby is to probe me wrong aint it??

is there a difference between a six year old girl having sex than a seventeen?? why? they're both illegals

Originally posted by IceWithin
AC, ure hobby is to probe me wrong aint it??

is there a difference between a six year old girl having sex than a seventeen?? why? they're both illegals

probe you wrong? ouch

seriously... well he's probably like that with everyone, if u see the musik forum is FILLED with his posts bashing other ppl's taste in music

before AC jumps in and starts saying Im paranoid or anything, I dont think its a personal thing against me, I think its his wat of being!!

i think 17-18 is a good age to have sex..i think people know their own minds more..

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
They're both illegal ages. Why is one better than the other Ice?

Just out of curiousity.

-AC

Isn't 16 the age of consent in most places? That would make it legal.

I think when you reach 16 ure wise enough to know whether u want a penis inside you/put ure penis inside someone or not.. sure they feel pressured, but just as pressuder as 18 year old virgins

And if it isnt pressure its nervousness..whether it will go right or not, what will happen, etc.

well i'm seventeen and to be honest i don't thnk i'd be ready for sex yet....i've never been in a realtionship so i don't know whether that makes you more wiling to want to have sex..but i think it varies from person to person and cicumstances..

Originally posted by Morbid4Daniel
And if it isnt pressure its nervousness..whether it will go right or not, what will happen, etc.

thats righ... go Loving-daniel!

I don't see there's anything wrong with sex. I mean, okay, people can get worried about pregnancy but really if you're with someone that you know won't try and have sex without a condom, and is on some sort of contraceptive pill, there's nothing wrong with sex underage.

Funnily enough, there's no laws regarding lesbian sex in Britain, whereas the legal age for gay men is 16.

Thats as it should be, and for staright men?

Well there's a law that all sex is forbidden under the age of 16.

But according to my health ed teacher, apparently Queen Victoria said that women wouldn't do something like that, and so there is no lesbian sex, legally. Of course, I'm probably wrong, but that's what we were taught.

lucky lesbian women... *rants*

Originally posted by IceWithin
thats righ... go Loving-daniel!

Thanks! *Curtsies*

I had sex for the first time at 16. It's really not such a big deal. My girlfriend at the time was 23. We didn't do it again for a few months after that, but when we started to, it was great. I see no problem with it, as long as both people know what they're doing and they both know the consequences. I think it's wrong to try to force or guilt someone into doing it, but if they're both consenting, what's the big deal?

i had sex at 17, so old i was....
its not so much how old u r its just if ur ready or not...ppl should be allowed to do whatever they want to.

Well whether that's agreeable or not everyone does what they want to nowadays anyway! Especially kids.

i know aye, everyones just out doing there own thing when the wanna and where.

I think it's wrong for young teenagers to have sex like 12 and 13, I'm somewhat ok with 17 and 18 because they have more knowledge. Personally since I had 2 friends (2 girls) that had sex when they were 18 and 19 and both ended up having to an abortion, it just feels wrong that they would have to go through something like that when they are just starting to live their lives and understand things. One was using protection and the other one wasn't so they had the abortion because both wanted to go to college and study. They were two smart girls and they still had to suffer that pain.

Originally posted by IceWithin
o...m...g...
that has GOT to be the stupider thing I've ever read on KMC

o....m....g....

you're mean......

any way teen sex at a young age is wrong.... at an older age like 17 or 16 is ok but more recomened to wait...

well it was a stupid thing to say

well at least your honest......

the most important stuff about sex is stuff that you can't learn from a class. how to respect your partner, how to trust and earn trust, and of course, how to actually screw, make out, etc. right.

I get where your coming from but next to "What you call the most important stuff to learn" you also have to learn about STD's, AIDS, and you DO learn about condoms and how to apply them. Now I know its good to earn your loved one's trust and for them to earn yours, but think about their previous partners (if they've had any), what if they had sex with them and caught a STD?

Originally posted by AdventChild
well at least your honest......

hehe

ya those lil girls can just masturbate until their legal age and married or w/e

Originally posted by Morbid4Daniel
I get where your coming from but next to "What you call the most important stuff to learn" you also have to learn about STD's, AIDS, and you DO learn about condoms and how to apply them. Now I know its good to earn your loved one's trust and for them to earn yours, but think about their previous partners (if they've had any), what if they had sex with them and caught a STD?

They don't teach you that stuff in school. They tell you you're supposed to wait until you're married, and stay with that partner forever. That's not necessarily a bad thing to teach, but that's not how the world works. Schools are so slow when it comes to evolving with the times. They don't teach you how to apply a condom, where to get birth control, any of that. All they do is try to scare you with all the talk about STDs and AIDS. And they show you that video from the 80s about how to check for cancer. Schools have got to accept the fact that abstinence "education" does not work.

Yes they do. Or at least over here they do. I remember learning of it in 8th grade, actually.

We get a brief lesson in the sixth year ... but thats because our bodies are being a change then we learn more about sex in year 8 ... by that time half of them have done it all ready its shocking ..... some all ready have kids before they have proper sex education

yea

You guys are wayyy over analyzing this whole 13 yrs old vs. 16 years old issue.

Screw legality...16 year olds are just flat out hot.

Girls are in their prime from 16-22. After that they're like day old bread...good, just not fresh.

funny but no link... i pray you dont believe in one of my friends philosophies too, too young to talk too young to tell.

Oh, I don't hook up with 16 year olds. I haven't done that since I was like 18...and I'm 22 now.

But that doesn't change the fact that 16 year olds are hot as hell.

ya but look at it 13 and 16.... thats not a right combo there. and at 16 you still arent fully developed. youre still growing, and granted people still have sex at that age. but do u really think theyre mature to understand the emotions involved. all theyre thinking about is how good it feels. And its an awesome feeling, but theres more involved than just heavy breathing and grunting.

Originally posted by Jeff_Atello
They don't teach you that stuff in school. They tell you you're supposed to wait until you're married, and stay with that partner forever. That's not necessarily a bad thing to teach, but that's not how the world works. Schools are so slow when it comes to evolving with the times. They don't teach you how to apply a condom, where to get birth control, any of that. All they do is try to scare you with all the talk about STDs and AIDS. And they show you that video from the 80s about how to check for cancer. Schools have got to accept the fact that abstinence "education" does not work.

They taught us all that stuff in school, about STDs and AIDs and using protection, etc.

Originally posted by a1hsauce
ya but look at it 13 and 16.... thats not a right combo there. and at 16 you still arent fully developed. youre still growing, and granted people still have sex at that age. but do u really think theyre mature to understand the emotions involved. all theyre thinking about is how good it feels. And its an awesome feeling, but theres more involved than just heavy breathing and grunting.


Fast forward 5 years...


Nothing changed.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
Fast forward 5 years...


Nothing changed.

5 years from 16 you are fully developed, you are, barring any traumatizing experiences, are fully mature mentally and emotionally. theres a big difference between 16 and 21

I'm missing the part where you draw the connection between emotions and sex...

sex is exercise.

ya u do get good cardio

Originally posted by a1hsauce
ya but look at it 13 and 16.... thats not a right combo there. and at 16 you still arent fully developed. youre still growing, and granted people still have sex at that age. but do u really think theyre mature to understand the emotions involved. all theyre thinking about is how good it feels. And its an awesome feeling, but theres more involved than just heavy breathing and grunting.

At 16, it was about more than that for me.



Like I said, I do live in Texas...

naw swimming is way better cardio than sex. And you can swim with mutiple partners without anyone getting jealous

I think mj23 is on to something.... sex in the water.

I can vouch for it being both interesting and good exercise.

Multiple partners? I'll have to work on making that happen.

Problem is, you have to get some sort of leverage or else it'll be a waste of time and energy.

Well I lost my virginity at 15...hasnt done me any wrong

^ You got lucky then.

Not directed at anybody, this is just my opinion (hell the only posts I even read were the very 1st and Coop's last one): I had sex at age 17 with my ex-gf who was also 17. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't take it back and I would do it again. But it was wrong of us. There is a reason why 18 is good age to start having sex. It is simple: SCHOOL! If you get pregnant before 18, you will most likely still be in high school when the child is born. Nobody is seriously ready for kids while they are still in school and don't have their own lives figured out yet. If you dropped out of school, you definitely are too immature to start having kids while you are still a teenager. Don't give me this "it was safe sex" bull crap either. Safe is not 100%. I'm sick of people getting abortions because they "aren't prepared." If you aren't prepared, DON'T HAVE SEX!

It depends on the state of sex ed in the society.

Schools teach kids from the beginning (rationally, say, 12 or 13) about safe sex and the benefits and fail-safe aspects of abstinence, not pressing one or the other as it is their choice. Not a teacher's and sure as hell not the government's. Teach both sides of the coin and make sure they know early on that they need not be afraid to go to the public health center and get a few condoms, or purchase any of the numerous methods of female contraceptives. (depo, pill, etc)

If this is achieved, then the rate of abortions will go down. This is not up for debate, logic dictates that if a teenager knows and is comfortable with the usage of contraceptives and measures to prevent diseases, then abortions will decline. If she's taking the depo shot every 3 months and he's using a condom every time, chances are great -- what, like 98-99%? -- that a pregnancy will not occur. If for some reason the condom breaks, then there's RU-480, a.k.a. the Morning After Pill, which can be taken up to 72 hours after sex.

If teens are taught of the resources available to them, and taught of the pros and cons of sex and abstinence, then they, as teenagers, will have the knowledge available to them, they cannot help but make a -- at least relatively -- educated decision about whether or not to become sexually active. They're not screwing the family dog, they're not raping ducks by the lake, they're doing something that is usually a private matter and it shouldn't be the parents', nor the governments, nor anyone else's business.

And we've seen the result of the (US) government putting pressure on schools to push their 'abstinence-only' scheme. Abortions have gone up and up for the past 4 1/2 years, after they had dropped for the previous 8.

this is semi-related:

There's this guy that runs a "Destiny Church" who was on TV the other night talking about teenager and sex and abstinence, etc...

He really bugged me... His argument was that kids should not be having sex at all out of wed-lock. And his reason was that it ruins your life... even if you a re both consenting to it! Now, is it just me, or is this guy totally freckin nuts!?!

How the hell can having sex ruin your life? He was asked wether he had sex before marriage (the interview of course knew that he did) and he said yes to which the interviewer said "and it clearly didn't destroy your life" and the guy replied "Yes it did". But, it only 'destroyed' your life because you let it... because you made it such a big deal!

This guy says that kids are not given the choice to abstain... or that abstinence is not promoted enough, or as much as condoms etc. Well abstinence isn't promoted as much because teachers know teenagers are going to have sex... better they do it safely...

There's this whole thing they do, where they (teens) swear not to have sex before marraige. They have to wear a ring, and if they break that promise they have to flush the ring down the toilet symbolising them flushing part of their life away... it really makes me laugh that people do this kind of thing...

I don't understand Christians' belief that contraception destroys life... if God didn't want us to 'waste' sperm then why did he create us so that we release millions of these little guys and maybe only one of them gets through? Why do we have nocturnal emmissions (a completely natural, involuntary thing)?

I mean, it's fine to hold these beliefs.. I have no problem with that... But to go out and preach them to the rest of the world like he does is stupid and inconciderate and I believe prejudiced against non-christians...

Read Wilhelm Reich's "The Mass Psychology of Fascism" and you'll get why I'm so damn opposed to the off-the-wall sexual repression that the fundies preach. I can see, say, keeping Michael Jackson-esque stuff from happening, but a couple of teenagers making love should not be frowned upon or shunned.

In my opinion, if two people (any two people) both consent to having sex, there's nothing wrong with it...

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
In my opinion, if two people (any two people) both consent to having sex, there's nothing wrong with it...

A 7-year old and a 45-year old?

I think if an adolescent understands the --no pun intended-- ins and outs of sex, they are competent of formulating their own decisions w.r.t. their own sex life. But if a kid who knows nothing about it, knows of it only from hushed giggling on the recess playground at grade school, and has no experience whatsoever with contraceptives and protective measures, then they're not all that well-equipped to give their consent. But therein lies the problem.

Exactly. I mean it isnt always the "age" issue but if you have a 7-9 year old and a way older person just looking for some...that little girl isnt gonna know what to do. It isnt always right.

well of course im pretty sure everyone agrees that at that age... they dont know what the hell sex is. they might go through with it but have no idea of the possible outcomes of it.

Very true.

Originally posted by BullitNutz
Read Wilhelm Reich's "The Mass Psychology of Fascism" and you'll get why I'm so damn opposed to the off-the-wall sexual repression that the fundies preach. I can see, say, keeping Michael Jackson-esque stuff from happening, but a couple of teenagers making love should not be frowned upon or shunned.

I was 13 the first time I had sex with a girl. And I'm a fascist. What luck!

You teens and your "sex".

I dunnooooooo.

-AC

Not Me. Im in no hurry.

W-was making a joke.

-AC

O well. lol

I mean legally of course... to be able to legally give consent to sex you must be at least 16 (in this country anyway...)

so anything younger is a crime devi?

yea, I'm pretty sure that's the case...

it would be considered rape if someone had sex with someone under 16 as they are not legally able to give consent...

but, I mean, it's pretty hard to police that... if two people under 16 'consent' to having sex I don't really see how the authorities would ever find out...

Premature sex at such a yound age is so wrong. At a mature enough age,18,19 or so) I think that if you have been taught the consequences and know that risks are involved ,go right ahead. Just don't say nobody told you nothin..

Yea I agree there

ya but kids are gonna be kids and theyre gonna experiment... it pretty much lies in the hands of the parents. They need to be much more involved in their kids lives. ask questions find out what theyre doing. Just be a Part of their lives. Communication can really go a long way.

You know what, go ahead have sex. Im 19 and my friend just ALMOST had a baby...

good thing the girl got an abortion, if not he was screwed...because of all of his screwing

anyways, have sex if u want but it will catch up to u if ur an idiot about it.

not the best advice i would give, but true

Yea im goin with a1 on that one.

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
this is semi-related:

There's this guy that runs a "Destiny Church" who was on TV the other night talking about teenager and sex and abstinence, etc...

He really bugged me... His argument was that kids should not be having sex at all out of wed-lock. And his reason was that it ruins your life... even if you a re both consenting to it! Now, is it just me, or is this guy totally freckin nuts!?!

How the hell can having sex ruin your life? He was asked wether he had sex before marriage (the interview of course knew that he did) and he said yes to which the interviewer said "and it clearly didn't destroy your life" and the guy replied "Yes it did". But, it only 'destroyed' your life because you let it... because you made it such a big deal!

This guy says that kids are not given the choice to abstain... or that abstinence is not promoted enough, or as much as condoms etc. Well abstinence isn't promoted as much because teachers know teenagers are going to have sex... better they do it safely...

There's this whole thing they do, where they (teens) swear not to have sex before marraige. They have to wear a ring, and if they break that promise they have to flush the ring down the toilet symbolising them flushing part of their life away... it really makes me laugh that people do this kind of thing...

I don't understand Christians' belief that contraception destroys life... if God didn't want us to 'waste' sperm then why did he create us so that we release millions of these little guys and maybe only one of them gets through? Why do we have nocturnal emmissions (a completely natural, involuntary thing)?

I mean, it's fine to hold these beliefs.. I have no problem with that... But to go out and preach them to the rest of the world like he does is stupid and inconciderate and I believe prejudiced against non-christians...

TV preachers have a long tradition of hiring prostitues or just F-ing their secrateries in the B.

Well, speaking as a Christian, I completely understand what you speak of in terms of those televangelists being very two-faced.

If you're open-minded then, here's my personal belief.
Sex is meant for marriage. And marriage is the ultimate consumation of love. How can to people's love be consumated and then they split up in weeks, or years? I mean, if you're having sex before marriage, okay, that's your business. I won't get into that, because that's your own personal belief.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
TV preachers have a long tradition of hiring prostitues or just F-ing their secrateries in the B.


Shit! I'm in the wrong business!

..... geez...............and the sad thing is it's the truth.................

jim bakker anyone?

Well, like I said earlier in this thread, it's ultimately up to the person. If you both feel you're ready, are of legal age, know the risks, and know about protection....then it's fine. Just be prepared to deal with any consequences.

Originally posted by IceWithin
I think when you reach 16 ure wise enough to know whether u want a penis inside you/put ure penis inside someone or not.. sure they feel pressured, but just as pressuder as 18 year old virgins

I'm 19 and I never felt any pressure to have sex

I could say something REALLY mean...

Originally posted by Tptmanno1
I could say something REALLY mean...

Yeah, but you shouldn't. Let's just laugh quietly to ourselves.