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All hell is going to break loose... and it's not pretty.

anakin &sidious
lol
please jackstain come here to backme up i have a feeling that they will bombard me in 10minutes lol

You know, ROTS Anakin and Sidious is among the most deadly of duos, to be sure. But Tulak Hord alone could fek both of them up. Add Marka Ragnos, a Sith Lord who ruled unopposed for a century, and it's tie up time. Ancient Sith wins this one.

Dude, you must be stoned. Sidious and Anakin would annihilate any duo they came across with the exception of NJO Luke and Leia(fully trained of course)

You're stoned. You actually think Sidious and Anakin are better than all the ancient Force users in the past, people who were stronger than the formidable Exar Kun.

I am sober. Just letting everyone know. Marka Ragnos was a half-breed. They were hated by the Sith. He was so powerful know one even attempted to take his throne for over a century. Add his powerful Sith Magics to the skills of one of, if not the greatest, lightsaber duelist ever and victory goes to them. Hands down. No problem. And for anyone who begins to start shouting prophecy nonsense, he was supposed to destroy Sidious, no one else.

The ancient Sith take this one easily, those other two stand no chance against them...

majh you are all stoned

Am i?

Tulak was seen as the greatest duelist ever... He fought in a time with a lot of Sith and Jedi to fight, learned a lot and is definitly more skilled in sabrefighting then those two...

Then there is always Marka Ragnos who wasn't only one of the most powerful Sith lords ever, he was a Sith Lord that didn't die because of his apprentice but natural. That wasn't even challanged while he was dying, that ruled his apprentices even after he was dead. Not to mention that considering he was a half blood the other Sith didn't like him very much. He was unchallanged and undefeated.

To say those two could stand up against them is foolish, they wouldn't stand a chance

yes they wuld

Now thats a good argument...

i know :
dance:

ok habeo, plz enlighten us, and tell us why they would win? cuz u dont have any idea who ragnos and hord are? or because u believe in the (so much cursed) prophecy? thsidious and anakin cant beat any duo that stand in their way. they dont have enough power, knowledge or expirience. they would be toasted, its just pointless.

Marka Ragnos could kill Anakin and Sidious on his own.

reason(s)
they're way cooler(i mean what is that with horns?????greatest sithe ever pfffff)
and ani is chosen one :P

you are a stupid idiot. As it has been said hundreds of times before, the Chosen one sucks. It never says that he must be invincible. It never says that he could kill any Sith. It said he would bring balance to the force. Also, it was never proven that he ever did bring balance and he may have actually not been the Chosen One. Hopefully, GL with one day go visit the Vatican and ask the Pope himself for forgiveness to the crimes against humanity with the Chosen jun,

ahhhhhhhhh you are dumb,this was a catch lol,let me qoute myself "and ani is chosen one :P" se this :P <----it mins i am joking,get itor should i draw it to you?and don't call me an idiot or il kill you like bandon :P

me no see joke. me take death threat seriously and will possibl respond with extreme decisiveness

ok sorrry will not do it again

muahahahahaha

Sids and Ani would WHIP that @$$.

sorry it took me so long.

what have you been smoking? Anakin and Palpatine are killed.

ha!

Jack, you're outnumbered and outgunned. Just whip out an Alf picture and call it a day.

yeeeah!!http://photos1.blogger.com/img/148/896/640/alf.jpg

sorry. its not there

that looks somewhat strange. you all Yeeah!!!!!!! and there is only a red x in box

efff that


http://www.kinoweb.de/filme/Alf/pix/alf30.jpg

holy crap. is that god?

lol, yes...yes it is.

wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wait, it is definitly the Pope. All hail Pope Alf!!

my friend made a shirt that says samuel l jackson for pope and has a picture with him in a pope hat

Alf looks like Reagon.

he looks like he could blow up the whole GOd D@MN world with the flick of his wrist....and he could!

Yes yes, the force is strong with this one...

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Hey Jack, I'm with you, Anakin by himself would smoke these fools.

finally some backup!
ani and sids slaughters

yea! go team! the men in black kick ass!

How about coming up with a real argument for once?

What has Vader done that was more impressive then what Tulak Hord has done... What has Sidious done that is more impressive then what Marka Ragnos has done?

What in hellsname would make those two more powerful?

It's simple as this: Anakin hs the highest midichlorian count, thus turning to the darkside would make him more powerful than anyone. I don't see how his power, cpmbined with Sidious amazing abilities wouldn't smoke these fools.

nefarus is right they wuld kick ancient sith a$$

4 sheezy

Originally posted by Darth_Nefarus
Hey Jack, I'm with you, Anakin by himself would smoke these fools. Your kidding right...

Anakin was never said to have the highest midiclorian count. Marka Ragnos was never even challenged by one of his students who was able to rip out the cores of star and throw them at enemy fleets.

anakin wuld fry marka

give some reasons why he would beat Marka

in rots he is better then emperor and emperor can match marka even maybe beat him

and how do you know that sidious could beat Marka, I know this was already said, but Marka reigned for over a 100 years, in a time when people like him were hated and killed. Yet he ruled. Even when he was on his death-bed, he was still not challenged, think about, if you saw a person 350 (just a guess) years old, dying, lying in a bed, in pain, would you not think you could beat him in a fight? But not even Naga Sadow dared to do that, and Sadow blew up 2 stars, and destroyed an entire republic fleet by waving his little finger around.
Also, even after he died, he came back to give one last message to the sith, he came at the time that Ludo Kressh and Naga Sadow were in the middle of a duel, a hard thing to stop, espically when it is 2 sith fighting. Yet Marka came back, ordered them to stop (they obeyed) and then gave orders to the entire sith council, and the guys dead! They feared him so much that they didn't even want to face his glowing air particles in a duel, and these are people who could blow up suns! Not bad.
What has Sidious done? Clouded the force, oh yea. I can see it now:

Sidious: I have clouded the light side of the force, and I can out smart a bunch of senators!

Marka: I use the dark side, and I can see you. By the way, I think my pet terentek could outsmart a bunch of senators. Also, how does this help you in a fight?

Sidious: Crap

And the duel would go something like this:

Sidious: I am the dark lord of the sith, bow before me!

Marka: I see the standards have gone down with time.

Sidious: Arg... Lord Vader, attack!

*Vader and Tulak start to fight*

Tulak: *fighting with his left hand (if he is right handed), and with his other hand reading new sith chronicles* Well done young one, soon you can join the age 10 to 12 class.

Sidious: *stares in shock, then joins the fight*

Marka: *gets bored and joins the fight, talking to Sidious* Wow, you call yourself a sith lord, in my time you would almost be ready to be called a padawan, standards really have gone down.

Finally both Tulak and Marka get bored and kill Anakin and Sidious.

Tulak: Well Marka, that was interesting, lets go find some better opponents, like the 14 year olds in our time.

Marka: sounds good, but I think that the 6 year olds might be a bett match.

Tulak: true

And there you have it guys, Tulak and Marka win, easy.
By the way, the chosen bit is total crap and makes no sense, no where does it say that Anakin is invincible.
Also, where does it say that he has more midi-clorians than Marka, than Yoda, yes it does say that, but the guy has no blood! Its not that hard to have more midi-clorians than him. Also if you are going to say that, first off, how many midi-clorians does Anakin have, how many does Sidious have. How many do Tulak and Marka have? For all we know, Anakin might have no midi-clorians next to the ancient sith, Marka might have 100 000 midi-clorians for all we know, it never says that Anakin is god, and you should remember that when you go to the theatres and watch him get beaten by Obi-Wan (who would die a horrible death to either Tulak or Marka). Also, if you want more proof that he is not god, watch RotJ, Luke clearly beats him, and Luke at that point is pathetic and hardly a padawan.

Tulak and Marka win easily.

by the way, I don't think that Marka has 100 000 midi-clorians, that is just a point, we don't know how many he had or if Anakin had more.
Also, even if Anakin did have more (which I dispute), he was not fully trained and knew little of the sith at that point, Marka had reigned as sith lord for well over a 100 years during the golden age of the sith, he had to know a thing or two.

I think you give the ancient sith lords a little to much credits, but they would still win this match.

possibly, but I made my point didn't I?

yes, and it is a for the most part true one

Ask George Lucas, or watch Episode 1 again, the Jedi council talks about how Anakin has the highest midichlorian count, thus highest connection to the force, thus, when he goes dark, he dwarfs everyone in power.

no actually it never says that he has the heighest midichlorian count, it says this,
Obi-Wan: Over twenty-thousand, not even Master Yoda has that many!
Qui-Gon: no jedi does
Obi-Wan: what does that mean?
Qui-Gon: I don't know

Key word being JEDI, sith may have more. I also interpret that as no living jedi has that much, ancients may have.

And I'm not denying that Anakin is powerful, I think he would whip almost anyone he meets, exceptions beinging Marka Ragnos, Tulak Hord, Naga Sadow.
Also possibly Exar Kun, Revan, Ajunta Pall and Ludo Kressh.
Other than those few exceptions, I think Anakin (at the height of his powers), would beat anyone he met.
Oh, please bear in mind that this is only the sith that he would lose too, I also think that NJO could beat him.

dude, have you bought the star wars dvds? George Lucas clearly states that anakin is the best and most powerful ever, that alone makes anything you say to me insignificant

Nefarus, George Lucas would tell you his balls keep time if he thought you'd buy it. But one thing you guys keep forgetting... Anakin has the highest recorded little bacteria thingies... in known time. Perhaps the highest in the last millenium, since the Battle of Ruusan devastated the Jedi Order and perhaps destroyed many powerful Jedi in the process.

But since GL's focus is the movies, he spews that out all the time. Why do I not believe in the man who created Star Wars, you ask? The God upon whose altar I sacrifice goats with homemade lightsabers? Well, quite simply, GL (And those others who helped make the original trilogy) made Star Wars movies. EU (And this -is- an EU section) is a collection of tales and stories woven (albeit not perfectly) into a tapestry of imagination that expands on the universe which we had grown to love as depicted in the movies. To say that EU is bullshit and GL and the movies are God is to say you shouldn't play any Star Wars games, read any books, novels, comics, or anything. Hell, don't buy shirts GL hasn't sanctioned. Don't bother yourself with versus threads if you -know- Vader and Sidious are God because Lucas commands it. Really, without being harsh to those who disagree with me (No personal disrespect intended) you really should be over in Episode III section where no one disputes Vader's badassedness. And if your mission is to convince the rest of us (The Nonbelievers_ that what Lucas says is law, than perhaps you can give us a convincing reason or two why his creations beat, say, Foster's creations, or Zahn's, or anyone else's? Oh, other than you think it is possible that such random upgrade or power would spawn to either Sid or Vader that would give them an edge we never saw present on film. Yeah. Go team logic.

That's not what I'm getting at. All I'm saying is, no ancient Sith could light a candle to Anakin in his prime, or Sidious. it's my opinion. And yes I take George Lucas' word over people who are writing stories in HIS universe. And hey, I'm not knocking their stories, Timothy Zahn especially, that guy rocks. But in a so and so vs. so and so, certain characters like Anakin are always going to come out on top because Anakin is the character tha is the basis for all of Star Wars. (Technically Darth Vader, but they're one in the same)

And how do you know Lucas' balls don't keep time? lol

Well, they might if they swing just right... Oh god... damn me for thinking that....

But I still believe your wrong, just because Anakin in his prime was defeated by Obi Wan, someone who would be an insignificant flea next to an ancient Sith lord.

Whatever man. Obi-Wan will get worked a lot in this fight, and only through his ability (from personal knowledge) to exploit Anakin's weaknesses does he win.

But he still does it. Considering ancient Sith specialized in demoralizing opponents as they fought, do you think it impossible that anyone other than Obi Wan could have defeated Anakin?

Yes and no.

Yes, as like I said Obi-Wan knows his weaknesses etc. But Anakin, although very insane at this point still offered Obi-Wan a chance to leave. Anakin didn't want to kill Obi-Wan, but he thought he had to so he could save Padme.

Anakin would be focused and determined if he was fighting anyone else. With Obi-Wan, it's as if he has something to prove, Obi-Wan is the only Jedi Anakin ever felt lesser than. Anakin would slice through Windu(not easily however) and Yoda, but Obi-Wan is different. As you've agreed with me, he's a super ninja. Anakin wants to be the ninja, but he's not cool enough.

how is it that GL's word gets overthrown? If it wasn't for him, this whole forum wouldn't exist, and i wouldn't be here getting the better of all those who say that Anakin/Vader isn't the most powerful being in the SW universe....before Luke. I mean it's like arguing with dr. suess........

Suess: The cat in the hat was 6 feet tall

Any dummy in this forum saying lucas is wrong about his own story: no, hes a regular cat, and doesn't talk.

You can't argue with the guy who created the entire thing, sorry. If he says Anakin is more powerful than anyone, then he is. Get over it.

So let me get this straight according to you:

Anakin is more powerful then Mace and Yoda and would beat them
Mace and Yoda are more powerful then Obi and would beat him
Anakin has always felt as less then Obi and now wants to defeat him, proof himself?

So let me get this straight a so called all powerful Jedi would somehow lose from somebody who is a lot weaker then him, somebody who he desperatly wants to beat and fails because he doesn't want to fight with him? Okay...

So if you are that stupid, if you can not defeat somebody you want to defeat, then how can you compare yourself with two Sith that never once lost a fight. One that ruled for a 100 years without any challange to die peacefully? Anakin apparantly can not even beat somebody he desperatly wants too, how could he beat somebody with complete control and a calm mind and body that has seen more fights then he ever will?

How can he beat somebody that was not challanged even though he was hated? And how can Sidious do so if even Anakin can't, when everybody seems to think Anakin is more powerful.

Midi thingies don't mean you can't be defeated, the chosen one prophecy means absolutly nothing. But that you are the one to bring balance to the force, it says nothing about who is more powerful you or a ancient Sith. Anakin does not stand a chance and neither does Sidious. They do not have the skill the power the knowledge or the experience to do so.

I never said anything about "midi thingies"

I said George Lucas created the entire SW universe, and he says Anakin is the most powerful being in it.

Anakin isn't even my favorite character, so i wouldnt just defend him, but if the person who created him says its so, then it is.

How ignorant are you?

I was talking to Nefarus... Your reply was just finished before mine was, shouldn't be doing so much other shit instead of typing i guess.

Anyways why i do not believe him?

Do you believe everything Bill Gates says about Microsoft? Who cares that he created it, doesn't mean it has to be true.

Do you believe anything Bush says about the US and its people? Who cares that he rules it doesn't mean its true.

GL is just like any other person, he thinks he made the best thing. He has the power to say things like that, and why in hells name would you make your own creation weaker? But he has no real facts to support it besides what he says. Seriously what would make Anakin more powerful? Raw potential would make him more powerful then somebody who is incredibly experienced and has seen a lot more combat?

I just don't trust GL on this, i doubt he even knows everything about the EU Or cares very much for anything star wars related that he did not create. If he could make a real argument as to why Anakin and Sidious would beat Tulak and Ragnos i might be inclined to believe him, but i very much doubt it now

Well if he never said Anakin was the most powerful, then yea i would believe u., but the fact is he said it, so it's true. I'll believe him over the guy who invented ragnos and hord anyday. In the end it all belongs to GL.

Exactly! Thank you Jack.

HIS universe, HIS rules.

Exactly.

So if he would suddenly say a rat would become more powerful then Anakin and would be the most powerful thing ever you would believe him?

Because in my eyes that makes about as much sense as what he has said so far

Well, I look at this way. The force created Anakin, therefore he's the "Jesus" of Star Wars, therfore he has the highest connection to the force, therfore he has the most power.
And in ROTS, he is more powerful than everyone, because GL says so and because the force says so

If Lucas said "I have created this rat and he's in a new movie im making, and he's the most powerful being ever, more powerful than anakin"

then yes it wuld be true, becuz its his story, he can do what he wants with it.

Am i sayin i wuld like it, or do? no, but thats the way it is, you just have to face it, like everyone else.

we need to rid the world of the non-believers lol

The bible says Jesus is the son of god, the Koran says he is an important prophet.

In that case i believe the Koran more because of a lot of reasons i won't bore you with seeing as this is SW. The most powerful is an oppinion, you can't just create something give to everybody and then make yourself god of that thing.

Well apparantly you can, but you kinda lose all of my respect and all meaning in your word dissapears. Its like him suddenly saying Palp was actually Luke his father, and Anakin was just the son of a goat who was a manifistation of the greek god Zeus.

It makes no sense

"What Luke sees in Darth Vader at the end of Return of the Jedi is something that I thought was worth understanding: the idea that Darth actually was a very good person," Lucas says. "Except he's slightly more powerful than other people and when you get into that situation, your ability to do evil is much easier to come by."
-- "Flaws in a Good Heart," by Hugh Hart, Calendar Live on LATimes.com, January 20, 2002 (Source: calendarlive.com)

That's the only quote I've yet to find from George Lucas concerning Anakin's power. I'll see if I can't find anything else.

Maybe it makes no sense......BUT ITS HIS STORY, so if he wanted to change it, it wuld be true.....

say u wrote a story, and then sum guy came up to you and told u that part of ur story is wrong and that his version is right. wuld u believe him? of course not......its a fake story, therefore, the writer of the story, is the only one to say who is what and what is what.

You're right, it makes no sense that Lucas' word is more credible than other people using HIS stories

exactly....theyre HIS. he made em, he says what goes. even if it doesnt make sense in ur eyes, it doesnt matter. its not ur story, its his.

Yeah it doesn't, not if you give the rights to the story's away and let other people write and publish things about it too. If you wanted to make your chars all powerful at least give a damn good reason with a damn good explanation. That for some reason i havn't seen yet... Probably because he either hasn't thought of it yet, or just never will.

Besides if you change your statements every time you feel like it, it hardly means anything anymore.

i never changed my statement, i said from the beginning that anakin was most pwerful until luke. always.

and u can surely give away rights,but if after the fact, u give them away, and then say hes more powerful....it overpowers. he didnt give away the rights to Star Wars....just to write new stories.

they cant change what the creator said.

Also a quote from Starwars.com



POSSIBLY

Originally posted by jackstain
i never changed my statement, i said from the beginning that anakin was most pwerful until luke. always.

and u can surely give away rights,but if after the fact, u give them away, and then say hes more powerful....it overpowers. he didnt give away the rights to Star Wars....just to write new stories.

they cant change what the creator said.

No they can't, but he apparantly can and he does... When you or somebody else first told me about that quote however it said that Anakin was the most powerful ever. Not the most powerful until Luke came along. What is it?

NOOOOOOO

i was the first one to say it, and i clearly stated that anakin is most powerful until luke comes along.

thank you.

and just give up already, ur wrong.

You know what fine, lets just give up on logic and just always go with Anakin and Luke cause they can not be defeated... Sure why the hell not

"However, George Lucas states that after all of his limbs were severed and he was extremely burned on Mustafar he lost much of his Force potential. Lucas claims that as Darth Vader, Anakin had roughly 80% the strength of the Emperor. Had he sustained none of his injuries on Mustafar he would have been twice as powerful."

There's the statement Nefarus has been saying. As Mecha-Vader, he's capable of rolling with 80% of the Emperor's power; as human Vader, he has a potential of being between 160-200% of Palpatine's power. The key words and phrases here are potential and would have been, which means Anakin is not the most powerful ever, but might have been. Saying he isn't Mecha-Vader in RotS is no argument either; clearly Anakin isn't operating at full potential at that point, and there's no evidence he became weaker as Mecha-Vader, just no longer as potentially strong.

Sweet that also says nothing about him being more powerful then anybody from the SW history..

Wonder about how they will react to that though. It says absolutly nothing about Anakin being able to beat everybody... So do you two still stick by your points that Anakin and Sidious kill Tulak and Ragnos, even when GL's word is no longer on your side?

Technically, they're half right. Had Anakin not sustained the injuries he did, over time, he would've realized his potential power of 160-200% of Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine's. That very well could allow Vader to tangle with those like Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, etc., because we really don't know how strong they are compared to the Emperor if we go by percentiles. Is Marka Ragnos 180% or 300% of Palpatine? We really don't know, so who is to say?

But the fact remains that Vader never becomes more powerful than Palpatine, so technically Palpatine is the most powerful Force user in the galaxy at the time of the movies (I dunno, Yoda might match him), but we already know there are stronger Sith Lords than Palpy, so.

Yeah, but it says nothing about the rest of the time. So it means Tulak can be more powerful, Revan can be more powerful Exar can be more powerful. Hell even Random Jedi #3 can be more powerful...

That quote basicly means that people will actually have to come up with a good reason for Vader, Luke and Palp to win instead of the normal "Chosen one" or "GL said so" crap

also jack, I noticed that you said that Luke surpassed him (personally I agree), but by your logic, nobody could have surpassed Anakin, after all, he was made by the force. Luke wasn't, he is simply the grandson of the force, not its son, thus the power would be diluted a bit.

And about Vader being more powerful and always winning, might I ask what was more powerful, the death star or an X-Wing. The death star, it can blow up a planet and the second version blows up capital ships like nothing. The X-Wing can blow up TIE fighters (which are ALOT weake than a MC-80 or a planet), yet when the two of them went head to head, the X-Wing beat the mighty death star, with one shot. By all rights, the death star should have won, the empire thought it was the most powerful thing ever. Now heres the parallel, Anakin thinks he is the most powerful thing ever (he COULD have been, I'll give you that), but he can still loose, like the death star did.

I missed some good points. As usual, Fishy and Wanderer carrying on the cause. The fight for logic. Bless you both.

im ending this whole argument right now f*ckers



im calling in the authorities..





http://www.angelfire.com/al/vwfreak/images/alf1.jpg

sarcasm *ok guys, jack told us to end, we better all bow to that, espically with the great arguements he has put forth for his side*

oh and Janus, I'm wounded, didn't I fight for logic and carry on the cause as well *goes off in a corner and crys*

Hm, you did. Oops. *Gives Darkstar his credit.* Our numbers are growing, my logical brethren. Let us take the world by storm. I get to wear the black cape this time!

No i get to wear it

If you get the big black cape, I get the fancy black robes then.

Deal, but i want the purple lightsaber...

What are we talking about again?

I dunno, but we won.

If you get the black cape AND the purple lightsaber, I get the Star Forge robes. Otherwise you're just being greedy.

Okay deal

Score.

*Is Revanish, with the mask and the robes.*

Alright Wanderer and Darkstar, I'll play rock paper scissors to see who gets Malak's six foot long lightsaber.

Dude, I so already got my mask and hood. See my icon?

Yeah, true dat.

You can have the blue background Janus

Yes! A background which clashes with my robes and lightsaber!

lol, well I'll take Nihilius mask

What does the mask do... It didn't do cr@p for me...

gives you more force points

If you're the Exile. Otherwise, it just gets you candy one day a year if you go door to door.

Ok, I see so I guess I didn't check my force points... great.

Like it matters at that point. Even a Jedi guardian/Weaponsmaster has enough FP to shock until the cows come home.

yes I knew I wanted the mask, I get free candy!!!

Ha. With my background, I can be a Weatherman Sith Lord!

In Alaska...

Yes. Alaska has trout and bears and Twin Peaks. Just needs a dose of Sithness.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Nefarus, George Lucas would tell you his balls keep time if he thought you'd buy it. But one thing you guys keep forgetting... Anakin has the highest recorded little bacteria thingies... in known time. Perhaps the highest in the last millenium, since the Battle of Ruusan devastated the Jedi Order and perhaps destroyed many powerful Jedi in the process.

But since GL's focus is the movies, he spews that out all the time. Why do I not believe in the man who created Star Wars, you ask? The God upon whose altar I sacrifice goats with homemade lightsabers? Well, quite simply, GL (And those others who helped make the original trilogy) made Star Wars movies. EU (And this -is- an EU section) is a collection of tales and stories woven (albeit not perfectly) into a tapestry of imagination that expands on the universe which we had grown to love as depicted in the movies. To say that EU is bullshit and GL and the movies are God is to say you shouldn't play any Star Wars games, read any books, novels, comics, or anything. Hell, don't buy shirts GL hasn't sanctioned. Don't bother yourself with versus threads if you -know- Vader and Sidious are God because Lucas commands it. Really, without being harsh to those who disagree with me (No personal disrespect intended) you really should be over in Episode III section where no one disputes Vader's badassedness. And if your mission is to convince the rest of us (The Nonbelievers_ that what Lucas says is law, than perhaps you can give us a convincing reason or two why his creations beat, say, Foster's creations, or Zahn's, or anyone else's? Oh, other than you think it is possible that such random upgrade or power would spawn to either Sid or Vader that would give them an edge we never saw present on film. Yeah. Go team logic.


thank you thank you thank you! and i have a correction for when you said anakin was in his prime when he fought ben. that wasnt not his full capabilities he def could have eventually over powered sidious with the right training and experience. butttt... noone is topping marka no one. it saddens me when i go over forums like this and im expecting to see somone say "are you kidding me this shudnt even be a question, marka and tulak would obv win", but instead i see anakin and sidous as the victors.... but i just wanna honestly tankyou for being one of the smart ones no offense to anyone else

Originally posted by Fishy
I was talking to Nefarus... Your reply was just finished before mine was, shouldn't be doing so much other shit instead of typing i guess.

Anyways why i do not believe him?

Do you believe everything Bill Gates says about Microsoft? Who cares that he created it, doesn't mean it has to be true.

Do you believe anything Bush says about the US and its people? Who cares that he rules it doesn't mean its true.

GL is just like any other person, he thinks he made the best thing. He has the power to say things like that, and why in hells name would you make your own creation weaker? But he has no real facts to support it besides what he says. Seriously what would make Anakin more powerful? Raw potential would make him more powerful then somebody who is incredibly experienced and has seen a lot more combat?

I just don't trust GL on this, i doubt he even knows everything about the EU Or cares very much for anything star wars related that he did not create. If he could make a real argument as to why Anakin and Sidious would beat Tulak and Ragnos i might be inclined to believe him, but i very much doubt it now










i completely agree with you bro. just like the other guy said. its "GL Law" and it his movie not the outside universe.

Originally posted by Wanderer259
"However, George Lucas states that after all of his limbs were severed and he was extremely burned on Mustafar he lost much of his Force potential. Lucas claims that as Darth Vader, Anakin had roughly 80% the strength of the Emperor. Had he sustained none of his injuries on Mustafar he would have been twice as powerful."

There's the statement Nefarus has been saying. As Mecha-Vader, he's capable of rolling with 80% of the Emperor's power; as human Vader, he has a potential of being between 160-200% of Palpatine's power. The key words and phrases here are potential and would have been, which means Anakin is not the most powerful ever, but might have been. Saying he isn't Mecha-Vader in RotS is no argument either; clearly Anakin isn't operating at full potential at that point, and there's no evidence he became weaker as Mecha-Vader, just no longer as potentially strong.



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Holy bump.

Team 1 by miles.

The great Tulak Hord.

Originally posted by Dolos
Team 1 by miles.


Maybe you need to get in-touch with latest information about characters in Team 2:-

Marka Ragnos:

Finally a Sith Lord arose who exemplified the virtues of the Sith. Marka Ragnos was an imposing, merciless figure, a master of the Force and the arts of war. He set his enemies at each other's throats and battled for supreme power. With the defeat of his last rival, Marka Ragnos became the new Dark Lord of the Sith. He ruled for over a century, unchallenged, in a period of stability later called the Golden Age of the Sith. (SWTORE, Page 147)

Tulak Hord:

If what has been revealed by Khem Val is true, only an individual with suicidal tendencies would like to engage the great Tulak Hord in single combat. This guy became a legend for his prowess in lightsaber combat and his powers were such that he once moved or brought down a ship the size of Endar Spire single-handedly.

"The great Tulak Hord once pulled a ship this size from the sky." (Khem Val to Sith Inquisitor, SWTOR)

To give you an idea:

http://www.swc-triumvirate.com/images/Mirv_sotl.png

Seeing the Endar Spire in the game really gives you the impression of how big it is. Its a feat to match Yoda knocking those two dropships (I've compared the size and the Spire is about the same size as two of those) together imo. At least close.

Team 2 still loses though.

Hammerhead-class cruiser is bigger then even two C-9979 Landing Crafts put together; 4000 tons vs 1800 + 1800 = 3600 tons.

Yoda crashed those two landing craft in to each other up in the air. In contrast, Tulak Hord forced a big cruiser to the ground. By virtue of kind of feats performed and sheer power involved, Tulak Hord's feat is superior to that of Yoda's.

As far as combat is concerned, I don't see Anakin lasting long here. Team 1 is outgunned, IMO.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD


As far as combat is concerned, I don't see Anakin lasting long here. Team 1 is outgunned, IMO.

The guy overpowered Count Dooku. He won't be easy pickings for anyone.

I don't see anything that gives any advantage whatsoever to team 2 here.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The guy overpowered Count Dooku. He won't be easy pickings for anyone.
You think Dooku holds a candle to Tulak Hord in anything? He doesn't.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I don't see anything that gives any advantage whatsoever to team 2 here.
Why not?

Tulak Hord kills Anakin and then he helps Marka Ragnos take down Sidious.