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DEFENDERS:
Hulk
Namor
Silver Surfer
Dr. Strange
Valkrie
Nighthawk

HEROES fOR HIRE:
Iron Fist
Luke Cage
Wolverine

VS

AVENGERS:
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Hercules
Giant Man
Wasp
Quicksilver
Scarlet Witch
Wonderman

Who wins?

Defenders + Heroes big time no contest.

Defenders - Heroes big time no contest.

Defenders + Heroes big time no contest.

Defenders vs heros + avengers = More fair

i dont think so, i'd go with the Avengers

Thor and Wasp can take out Hulk,

Iron Man can take out Dr. Strange,

Giant Man could stall Luke Cage and Valkrie long enough to get help from Scarlet Witch,

Herc could take out Namor easily, then help Giant Man,

Wonderman could stall SS long enough to get help from Quicksilver,

Quicksilver could take out Iron Fist easily, then help Wonderman,

Scarlet Witch could take out Wolvie pretty quickly, then help Giant Man.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Defenders vs heros + avengers = More fair

Defenders still win lol.

How about then if i take the Heroes for Hire out of this fight? then who wins?

Originally posted by armandovalles
i dont think so, i'd go with the Avengers

Thor and Wasp can take out Hulk,

Iron Man can take out Dr. Strange,

Giant Man could stall Luke Cage and Valkrie long enough to get help from Scarlet Witch,

Herc could take out Namor easily, then help Giant Man,

Wonderman could stall SS long enough to get help from Quicksilver,

Quicksilver could take out Iron Fist easily, then help Wonderman,

Scarlet Witch could take out Wolvie pretty quickly, then help Giant Man.

Thor and Wasp get smashed by hulk

Iron Man gets pwned by strange.

Namor puts Herc down.

SS beats Wonderman, QS Giant man and SW. Without breakin' a sweat.

I second that.

Namor has and never will put Hercules down, Herc would pound him.

Wonderman would give SS a fight by himself, so SS would get his axss whupped by Wonderman with QS, SW, and Giant Man.

After Wonderman and the rest are finished with SS they help Iron Man and Wasp who were stalling Dr. Strange.

One Herc is finished with Namor he goes and helps Thor take out Hulk, Hulk is tough yea but Herc and Thor together is too much for pretty much anybody.

Originally posted by armandovalles
Namor has and never will put Hercules down, Herc would pound him.

Wonderman would give SS a fight by himself, so SS would get his axss whupped by Wonderman with QS, SW, and Giant Man.

After Wonderman and the rest are finished with SS they help Iron Man and Wasp who were stalling Dr. Strange.

One Herc is finished with Namor he goes and helps Thor take out Hulk, Hulk is tough yea but Herc and Thor together is too much for pretty much anybody.

Wonderman got his ass kicked by gladiator he is no match for Silver surfer.

Are u kidding? Thor has beaten Silver Surfer on many occasions! and Wonderman went toe-to-toe with Gladiator for like 4 or 5 pages and Gladiator is SS's equal. So that means Wonderman can at least hold the Surfer off until he gets help from Herc or Giant Man.

Originally posted by armandovalles
Are u kidding? Thor has beaten Silver Surfer on many occasions! and Wonderman went toe-to-toe with Gladiator for like 4 or 5 pages and Gladiator is SS's equal. So that means Wonderman can at least hold the Surfer off until he gets help from Herc or Giant Man.

You're obviously drunk.

Originally posted by armandovalles
Are u kidding? Thor has beaten Silver Surfer on many occasions! and Wonderman went toe-to-toe with Gladiator for like 4 or 5 pages and Gladiator is SS's equal. So that means Wonderman can at least hold the Surfer off until he gets help from Herc or Giant Man.

lol when did Thor beat SS . Can you give me issue please.

I can post scan of SS beating the shit out of Thor.

and Gladiator beating the shit out of Wonderman.

and no he can't hold the surfer.

first of all, im not f*cking drunk so dont say i am, secondly, tell me why u think im wrong and if u cant provide me with an explanation, then shut the f*ck up!

Either way this is fight will sell.

armandovalles when did thor defeated SS? "many occasions"?
and WW is a match for gladiator?

yea i have the issue were Glads fought Wonderman, and Glad's didn't kick his ass that bad, it was actually, pretty close, and the only reason Glads got the upper hand was cuz Wonderman needed a jet pack to fly and Glad's broke it, so he fell. So if Wonderman can go toe-to-toe with Glads he can do the same with SS. And i dont know the issue # but i know thor has gotten the better of the surfer on many occasions.

Originally posted by armandovalles
yea i have the issue were Glads fought Wonderman, and Glad's didn't kick his ass that bad, it was actually, pretty close, and the only reason Glads got the upper hand was cuz Wonderman needed a jet pack to fly and Glad's broke it, so he fell. So if Wonderman can go toe-to-toe with Glads he can do the same with SS. And i dont know the issue # but i know thor has gotten the better of the surfer on many occasions.

1) Surfer is above Gladiator
2) Thor is far below Surfer

With SIlver Surfer and Dr.Strange on their side, Defenders
destroy the Avengers.

Hell, if we want to be honest, Silver Surfer can just put a
giant crater where the Avengers are, and that's the end of
teh fight.

Originally posted by King Burger
With SIlver Surfer and Dr.Strange on their side, Defenders
destroy the Avengers.

Hell, if we want to be honest, Silver Surfer can just put a
giant crater where the Avengers are, and that's the end of
teh fight.

I have an issue where Gladiator Knock the f@ck out of WW.

And then kicks thor ass.

And SS can kick all their asses.

Do I really need to show scan? who wants to see scans? Say I

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Originally posted by kgkg
armandovalles when did thor defeated SS? "many occasions"?
and WW is a match for gladiator?


kgkg, I think armandovalles may be refering to the
"Mad Thor" story-line, where at one point I believe
Thor knocked SS away into an asteriod or some such
thing.

However, three points should be made about that: It
was onyl a one-time thing; SS was holding back since
he didn't want to hurt Thor; most importantly of all,
that story-line was the biggest peice of s*** I have
ever read!

two more I than i will scan them

actually i will show all scans

SS beating Thor easily.
Gladiator beating WW easily.
Gladiator beating Thor

what do you guys want to see.

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Originally posted by armandovalles
Giant Man could stall Luke Cage and Valkrie long enough to get help from Scarlet Witch

Valkyrie would kick Giant Man's ass. class 45, not to mention DRAGONFANG!

well u dont actually believe SS is above Gladiator do u?

here goes part 1

2

3

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yea, so, the fight ended quick, but wonderman was never knocked out.

and thats probably as long as he'd need to last against SS for someone else to come help him. And do u agree with me that SS and Glads are equals?

SS can fry Wonder Man, you seem to be forgetting that armandovalles.

Originally posted by armandovalles
yea, so, the fight ended quick, but wonderman was never knocked out.
lol he wan't kocked out? LMAo

Thor had to step in, before Gladiator killed him.
And WW didn't get back for a long time because he got K.oed

Thor stepped in and got knocked out to lol

and SS > Gladiator > Thor > WW

SS is not superior to Gladiator! do u actually believe that BS?

lol SS can kill Gladiator in one second.

i have scan of him saying that too you want to see it.

SS can emit radiation.

yea SS can use radiation but if he doesnt they are equal.

just look.

http://photobucket.com/albums/v39/bmovie_buff/Folder%202/?action=view&current=Surfer2.jpg

why did gladiator wanna kill ego?

Originally posted by armandovalles
yea SS can use radiation but if he doesnt they are equal.

just look.

http://photobucket.com/albums/v39/bmovie_buff/Folder%202/?action=view&current=Surfer2.jpg
Radiation is part of SS powers so he will use what he can.

It's like saying what if he couldn't turn the THing into a statue.

he doesn't do stuff like that but the fact is he could.

Gladiator is match for Surfer pHycially but SS has too many powers for Glad to handle.

he was sent by Lilandra to kill Ego, he does what she tells him no questions asked.

and yea, i know SS would beat Gladiator easily by blasting him with radiation, all i'm saying is that Gladiator is SS's equal and maybe even his superior physically.

how did gladiator even come into the picture of this??? DEFENDERS WIN

Originally posted by Quick Freeze
how did gladiator even come into the picture of this??? DEFENDERS WIN

at Gladiator's prime he is physically stronger than SS.

Remember Gladiator claims he can move planets, rip stars.

SS has always been seen the strongest/powerful and above (Thor , Gladiator , hulk , beta ray bill , Morg(without water shit) , terrax , firelord , nova lists goes on.)

SS kills thor , then kills the rest of the Avengers while strange cast some spells

and hulk and namor and valkyrie blah blah blah . . .