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I am proud to bring the good people of KMC a helluva battle!!!
People please THINK before making your decision!!!
Both opponents are not very well known to most and get very little respect but commands your utmost!!!
What say yee all??

I'll be the first to post and say quite frankly I don't know.

i'll be second and say that Nefaria would rip Black Bolt to pieces

he's taken Thor's best hits without flinching and has a bunch of other cool abilities as well..... BB's only option would be to scream at him..... but it's debatable as to whether or not it would do anything but annoy Nefaria

Yup Nefaria it is, ps have a look at the Thor-Herc thread I know its been done before many times but some of the things people are stating are hilarious.

Black Bolt.

I am leaning towards BB myself as well Beyonder. I read both stats and Nef do have some weaknesses in powers and character. He is known for his constant vaunting and narcissism. BB is among the highest caliber of leaders. He is highly durable and not easily hurt physically. Most of Nef's power's would not affect BB in this fight, therefore he would have to rely on other tactics. BB's scream at full strength has never been seen in action.Thing himself has tried but got his ass handed to him by BB. I don't know it's not as cut and dry in my opinion anyway.

BB there aren't many beings that can handle his scream...

Nefaria is in another league entirely compared to the Thing..... think Superman x 5...... on steroids..... but kinda evil

BB can't hurt him but Nefaria could punch BB's head clean off

I think BB (please, don't thank for me for this well-thought contribution).

Originally posted by Scoobless
Nefaria is in another league entirely compared to the Thing..... think Superman x 5...... on steroids..... but kinda evil uh huh........

BB can't hurt him but Nefaria could punch BB's head clean off uh huh........ superman x 5 based on? He had energy templates of Powerman1, Whirlwind and living laser amped up. A version of the Zemo machine that made Wonderman made him. It was a few times Powerman1's strength therefore he is not Superman x5. He would beat BB though

Well thanx who kid for your savvy and insightful contribution/lol
But Scoobles I just want to point out again how being an Inhuman might make it much harderfor Ne's one punch to take BB's head off.
BB at full scream couldn't take Nef out, your opinion?

Originally posted by whirlysplat
It was a few times Powerman1's strength therefore he is not Superman x5. He would beat BB though

it was 100 times Power Man's strength

BB fought against the Sphynx to a standstill and Sphynx again fought against Galactus.

If BB uses his scream then CN is toast, he doesn't even have to use it to win

Originally posted by whirlysplat
uh huh........ superman x 5 based on? He had energy templates of Powerman1, Whirlwind and living laser amped up. A version of the Zemo machine that made Wonderman made him. It was a few times Powerman1's strength therefore he is not Superman x5. He would beat BB though

100 times the powers of Powerman (who is class 100), Whirlwind and Living Laser. One huge disadvantage that BB would prbably remove is dependnece on draining ionic beings energy (BB can muck around with ions)

Sphynx fought Galactus when he had drained the computers of Xandar before which he was not that powerful.

Originally posted by Scoobless
it was 100 times Power Man's strength Then I ask you this and I have the 2 issues in my garage. How did a boosted Iron man match him in strength for a bit and Wonderman stagger him. I do not remember it being a 100 times.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Then I ask you this and I have the 2 issues in my garage. How did a boosted Iron man match him in strength for a bit and Wonderman stagger him. I do not remember it being a 100 times.

i haven't read all his appearances but that sounds doubtful

maybe because he used to lose power quickly..... especially if he expended a lot of energy in a fight..... he doesn't do that so much anymore

and the 100 times thing is from online bio's that i've come across..... i didn't just pull a figure out of thin air

I do know for a fact that Inhumans have physiology totally different from humans. They are more similar in make up with Eternals. I remember Mr. Fantastic saying that once because they were referring to Sersi. So isn't it conceivable that BB could withstand blows from Nef?

Originally posted by LordFear
isn't it conceivable that BB could withstand blows from Nef?

BB is class 1 in normal situations.... when he uses his power to boost his strength he can attain class 60 status...... that's not even close to being enough to withstand a punch from someone who can shift thousands of tons

Originally posted by Scoobless
i haven't read all his appearances but that sounds doubtful

maybe because he used to lose power quickly..... especially if he expended a lot of energy in a fight..... he doesn't do that so much anymore

and the 100 times thing is from online bio's that i've come across..... i didn't just pull a figure out of thin air At the time it was the first appearance of Nefaria with Superman type powers (excluding senses and flight) bar creating a giant shockwave the end of the previous issue to herald his arrival) he was after the immortality he thought he would gain through having thors hammer not realising thor got his imortality ffrom idunns apples. It was revealed Nefaria was imortal anyway and did not lose any energy. Still beats BB though

Well ok.
I thought BB could probably hold his own in this one

Can Nefaria still feel pain? If so, he's going down for the same reason Wonder Man would. Black Bolt attacks his nervous system, and keeps him at bay with a force field. Strength and power doesn't mean sh*t if Nefaria can't land a blow on BB.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Can Nefaria still feel pain? If so, he's going down for the same reason Wonder Man would. Black Bolt attacks his nervous system, and keeps him at bay with a force field. Strength and power doesn't mean sh*t if Nefaria can't land a blow on BB. He can still feel pain but he is about as strong in my opinion as a mildly enraged hul and slightly more invulnerable to pain. He also has superspeed although not in the Superman class and laser vision which is quite powerful.

Originally posted by Molecule man
BB fought against the Sphynx to a standstill and Sphynx again fought against Galactus. If BB uses his scream then CN is toast, he doesn't even have to use it to win

but that wasn't when the Spinx had all the Xandarian computers knowledge and a mystical boost like when he fought galactus

Originally posted by whirlysplat
but that wasn't when the Spinx had all the Xandarian computers knowledge and a mystical boost like when he fought galactus
No, he was just an immortal wizard.

Originally posted by Khellendros
No, he was just an immortal wizard. Yup he was just an immortal wizard with a gem stone giving him his powers. Pretty tough still.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Yup he was just an immortal wizard with a gem stone giving him his powers. Pretty tough still.
Yep, and Black Bolt dodged blasts from him BEFORE he beat the hell out of him and sent him flying through the hull of his won ship.

I do not agree with Scoobless about Nefaria being Supes x5 but he is to much for black bolt he is very fast at least as quick as quiclsilver and he hits harder than Thor. I think this is more than BB could handle hand to hand. As stated waaaay back in these posts Black Bolts blast is powerful at least nuke warhead class. Would that stop Nefaria though? Black bolt is toough and underated but Nefaria is a tank.

<<p he was just an immortal wizard with a gem stone giving him his powers. Pretty tough still.>>

the old nova battled the sphinx on numerous occasions, and nova was only in spidey's class. sphinx was more powerful than nova, but nova held his own on numerous occasions. i don't think the sphinx argument is gonna win you any votes here.

nef has actually CAUGHT thor's hammer. the only upper limit ever discovered on his strength was that he could not break cap's shield. other than that, no limit is known. he has super speed (whizzer) and laser vision (living laser who has utterly carved up iron man) and has proven tough enough to withstand pronged damage from all the avengers + the t-bolts - simultaneously!

BB is a long way out of his league. BB's scream is akin to a nuclear bomb. the hulk is impervious enough (according to his bio) to withstand ground zero. i would surmise (based on everything i have seen of him) CN could do the same. thing is, BB would HAVE to use his scream, it would be his ONLY chance. i don't think this is much of a fight. BB unleashes his full power, maybe he has a tiny chance. anything else BUT that full power, CN crushes him. quickly.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
I do not agree with Scoobless about Nefaria being Supes x5 but he is to much for black bolt he is very fast at least as quick as quiclsilver and he hits harder than Thor. I think this is more than BB could handle hand to hand. As stated waaaay back in these posts Black Bolts blast is powerful at least nuke warhead class. Would that stop Nefaria though? Black bolt is toough and underated but Nefaria is a tank.
A ten megaton nuke. But it isn't a nuclear explosion, or a sonic scream, it's destructive energy. Black Bolt has shattered barriers Skrull-made nukes couldn't dent. Nefaria is getting destroyed.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<p he was just an immortal wizard with a gem stone giving him his powers. Pretty tough still.>>

the old nova battled the sphinx on numerous occasions, and nova was only in spidey's class. sphinx was more powerful than nova, but nova held his own on numerous occasions. i don't think the sphinx argument is gonna win you any votes here.

nef has actually CAUGHT thor's hammer. the only upper limit ever discovered on his strength was that he could not break cap's shield. other than that, no limit is known. he has super speed (whizzer) and laser vision (living laser who has utterly carved up iron man) and has proven tough enough to withstand pronged damage from all the avengers + the t-bolts - simultaneously!

BB is a long way out of his league. BB's scream is akin to a nuclear bomb. the hulk is impervious enough (according to his bio) to withstand ground zero. i would surmise (based on everything i have seen of him) CN could do the same. thing is, BB would HAVE to use his scream, it would be his ONLY chance. i don't think this is much of a fight. BB unleashes his full power, maybe he has a tiny chance. anything else BUT that full power, CN crushes him. quickly.


Yes the Spinx was only uber after he absorbed Xandars computers and had a boost.

Nefaria did catch Thors hammer, it hurt him, but he did it. In the same battle both Iron man going through his I can boost my power phase staggered him. Wondy with Caps Shield also staggered him so his strength has limits.but he is still to much for BB.

Originally posted by leonidas
the old nova battled the sphinx on numerous occasions, and nova was only in spidey's class. sphinx was more powerful than nova, but nova held his own on numerous occasions. i don't think the sphinx argument is gonna win you any votes here.

nef has actually CAUGHT thor's hammer. the only upper limit ever discovered on his strength was that he could not break cap's shield. other than that, no limit is known. he has super speed (whizzer) and laser vision (living laser who has utterly carved up iron man) and has proven tough enough to withstand pronged damage from all the avengers + the t-bolts - simultaneously!

BB is a long way out of his league. BB's scream is akin to a nuclear bomb. the hulk is impervious enough (according to his bio) to withstand ground zero. i would surmise (based on everything i have seen of him) CN could do the same. thing is, BB would HAVE to use his scream, it would be his ONLY chance. i don't think this is much of a fight. BB unleashes his full power, maybe he has a tiny chance. anything else BUT that full power, CN crushes him. quickly.
Did Nova ever bring Sphynx to his knees, saying the pain was unimaginable?

BB ALWAYS fights "out of his league". That's why he's so awesome. He takes on Gladiator, Adam Warlock and a suped-up Graviton. He's taken on the Hulk multiple times and made him his b*tch each time. He can turn normal matter into anti-matter bombs, the possibility of facing his scream has made cosmic level beings flinch. Nefaria is getting put down like a rapid dog.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
I do not agree with Scoobless about Nefaria being Supes x5

i'll admit i pulled that figure from my arse....... but he is damn tough ..... and stood up to Thor a hell of a lot better than Superman ever did or could

<<Did Nova ever bring Sphynx to his knees, saying the pain was unimaginable?>>

i'm curious - where did this happen? what comic? and what cosmic being do you know that has 'flinched'? CN is a tougher gladiator. warlock is no where close to this level. as i said - if BB unleashed the FULL force of his power, he MAY have a tiny chance (doesn't using his full force weaken him though?) anything less than his absolute FULLEST power and he would get squashed because there is nothing else he could do to hurt CN. i'm not gonna disagree with BB's being underrated, but you can't just throw him in against anybody and say he can win just because you feel he's been underrated. if he can't beat the hulk, he's sure as hell not taking down CN.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<Did Nova ever bring Sphynx to his knees, saying the pain was unimaginable?>>

i'm curious - where did this happen? what comic?

and what cosmic being do you know that has 'flinched'?

CN is a tougher gladiator. warlock is no where close to this level.

as i said - if BB unleashed the FULL force of his power, he MAY have a tiny chance (doesn't using his full force weaken him though?) anything less than his absolute FULLEST power and he would get squashed because there is nothing else he could do to hurt CN. i'm not gonna disagree with BB's being underrated, but you can't just throw him in against anybody and say he can win just because you feel he's been underrated. if he can't beat the hulk, he's sure as hell not taking down CN.
I don't know where it happened, the scans of the fight were posted on another board.

It was a supposed galaxy collector called Vortex.

Show me CN swimming through a sun and I'll believe he's tougher than Gladiator. Oh, by the way, BB knocked Gladiator with his voice once and traded blows with him another time. Using his Master Blow weaknes him, but not using his voice. Nefaria is dead.

BB can beat the Hulk, and has done so repeatedly. BB has a better chance of defeating Nefaria than anyone gives him credit for.

That was the basis of my argument. BB has put down the Hulk and has that weakness technique mastered. It's not such a lopsided fight as a lot of people think.BB is a formidable foe. Very underrated

i'm not saying he has NO chance. just a very small one. and by saying CN is dead, you are by association saying BB could whup all the most powerful avengers + the t-bolts at once. you can't really believe this, can you? the thing has put up a good fight against him! again, by your comment with galdiator - hulk beat glads. i'm thinking glads and BB are in the same class (which puts him in a class with SS and probably thor as well - pretty good company!) but none of them could take on all the avengers at once either - CN did. easily. he was weakened the first time round when he thought he was dying and lost his 'faith' in his power. the second go round, not all the avengers and t-bolts together (including 2 ionic beings) could even slow him down.

again - BB is powerful. but he's fighting out of his weight class in this one.

leonidas wait a minute.
SS AND Gladiator classes are uber powerful. I can safely say that with the current active roster of Avengers, SS or Glad and BB could put down the Avengers.
Let's think rationally about this.
No one on that roster could stop either one of them.
I firmly stick to that statement.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not saying he has NO chance. just a very small one. and by saying CN is dead, you are by association saying BB could whup all the most powerful avengers + the t-bolts at once. you can't really believe this, can you? the thing has put up a good fight against him! again, by your comment with galdiator - hulk beat glads. i'm thinking glads and BB are in the same class (which puts him in a class with SS and probably thor as well - pretty good company!) but none of them could take on all the avengers at once either - CN did. easily. he was weakened the first time round when he thought he was dying and lost his 'faith' in his power. the second go round, not all the avengers and t-bolts together (including 2 ionic beings) could even slow him down.

again - BB is powerful. but he's fighting out of his weight class in this one.

The Thing but up a good fight against a Black Bolt who was using only hif fighting abilities and amping up his strength. I'm not dumb enough to claim Black Bolt could slug it out with Nefaria in a fist fight.

Are you sayig the Avengers and Thunderbolts could stand up to a full scream from Black Bolt?? Are you saying they could survive a Skrull nuclear warhead?

I keep saying, BB always fights out of his weight class, and has a damn good record too.

I am confident that aVENGERS AND TBolts are not gonna win.
Everybody dies from the scream that BB will unleash. None are spared.
The people with enhanced senses are soo dead, followed by everybody else.

hey LF.

in my post i was referring to was the team that battled CN - thor, vizh, wondy, IM, scarlet witch, etc, . . . that was one of the strongest gatherings of avengers ever. the more recent fight had everyone BUT thor, but included atlas and all the t-bolts. i don't think SS or glads could stand for too long against either of those rosters - not alone. as for the current incarnation - doesn't the active roster include sentry? i'm not all that familiar with him, but from what i've read here, he would hand SS and glads their arses - combined. if you can believe things that are written here . . .

i'm going to have to site the instance where BB knocked out gladiator with a single whisper. a whisper people.

normal speech volumes would be easily enough to take down nefaria...i wouldn't put him too far ahead of gladiator at all.

I don't think Sentry is part of the normal continuum but if I am wrong then HELL no I retract that statement quickly. Otherwise I beleive SS Glad or BB alone could take them down. BB's scream decimates everybody regardless of their powers. The scream would burst all of their tympanic membranes (very sensitive tissue in the middle ear that regulates sound), cause severe lose of equilibrium, possible brain damage and depending on if the sound actually travels through matter, could literally make their bodies explode. Glad can split a planet in half with one punch, need I say more? SS well just absorbing half of these people's energy and the rest just cosmic blast them or kill them before they can even blink. Each of these beings are too powerful for Avengers and Tbolts. I can't see these guys losing!!!

<<i'm going to have to site the instance where BB knocked out gladiator with a single whisper. a whisper people.>>

really? where did this happen. if you've the proof, i'd LOVE to see that - though i'm not sure that shows BB's powerful, or glads is overrated . . . (the directory says a whisper might rock a battleship - anyone near hulk strength could pulverize a battleship with a shot!)

Originally posted by leonidas
<<i'm going to have to site the instance where BB knocked out gladiator with a single whisper. a whisper people.>>

really? where did this happen. if you've the proof, i'd LOVE to see that - though i'm not sure that shows BB's powerful, or glads is overrated . . . (the directory says a whisper might rock a battleship - anyone near hulk strength could pulverize a battleship with a shot!)
Like many comic characters, Black Bolt has gotten an upgrade in power. His voice is significantly more powerful in more recent appearances.

good lord..what thread is this we are talking about..BB vs CN or how well avengers and whoever can take a scream from BB?

I just find it hard to believe how some people actually believe that BB couldn't take down current and most roster of Avengers and TBolts combined. Excluding Sentry of course.