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Well, we all know the clichéd conservative extremist that everyone on these boards is so quick to generalize all of us as--the Bible-thumping, straight-to-hell damning, racist pig.

How about the left extremists? They may be less vocal, but surely they are there. I presume they are more...subversive, but that is only an assumption.

Does anyone have any NEW examples of political extremism?

(That's the nice way of me asking for examples of left-wing examples without people freaking out on me for being the stupid Republican that I am.)

I am a moderate democrat who doesn't really go for Nancy Pelosi's policies. I prefer more moderete postiions.


I have some liberal postions and I have some conservative postions.

I hear a lot of far left people have problems with the death penalty and want to burn flags.

Milton Freidman is a free-economy/libertarian extremist and is responsible for much of the attroicity of Augusto Pinochett's rule

Sure, an example of a left wing extremist is as follows -


Thinks everything Bush does is horrific and destined to damn America/the world in armageddon (Won't have any comment defending their beliefs of Bush decisions causing world wide destruction in 10 years, when we're all still here) also makes baseless comparisons of Bush/Hitler.

Thinks everyone should have equal rights and we should keep an open mind about everything, such as NAMBLA and Bestiality.

Thinks Bill Mahr is the greatest comic/political commentator in the world, despite the fact that half of what he says is bullshit.

Think "Truth.com" is a valid and credible website.

Thinks big corperations are evil, no matter what. And they're to blame for everything wrong in this world, all the while wearing Levi's faded jeans and numerous other clothing articles purchased at "The Gap"

Thinks every religion is horrible in every way, and doesn't recognize the positives of numerous religions.

"Save the rainforest" mantra is their favorite phrase in the world.

Protests everything they don't like, then ***** when a car runs them over while they're loitering in the street with their idiot signs.

Listens to Air America Radio, a blatantly liberal station, that is also blatantly one sided, but bitches about Rush Limbaugh being one sided.

May or may not look like Micheal Moore.

don't know about bill maher, technically libertarianism is a right wing belief.
Bestiality and pedophelia are wrong because they involve sexual activity that by legal definition cannot be consensual and therefore is rape.

an example of a right wing extremist is as follows -


Thinks everything Bush does is wonderful and perfect. Also makes baseless comparisons of Bush/Jesus.

Thinks everyone should have equal rights -- Except gays.

Thinks Bill O'Reilly is the greatest comic/political commentator in the world, despite the fact that half of what he says is bullshit.

Thinks "freerepublic.com" is a valid and credible website.

Thinks big corporations are good, no matter what. And they're to thank for everything right in this world.

Thinks every religion is horrible in every way -- except christianity -- and doesn't recognize the positives of numerous religions.

"God Bless America" mantra is their favorite phrase in the world.

Protests everything they don't like, then b*tch when a car runs them over while they're loitering in the street with their idiot signs.

Listens to Savage Nation, a blatantly rightwing station, that is also blatantly one sided, but bitches about Air America being one sided.

May or may not look like Rush Limbaugh.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Well, we all know the clichéd conservative extremist that everyone on these boards is so quick to generalize all of us as--the Bible-thumping, straight-to-hell damning, racist pig.

How about the left extremists? They may be less vocal, but surely they are there. I presume they are more...subversive, but that is only an assumption.

Does anyone have any NEW examples of political extremism?

(That's the nice way of me asking for examples of left-wing examples without people freaking out on me for being the stupid Republican that I am.)

Contrary to what many of you might think, I am not a democrat. Nor am I a liberal. My true political views are much more strict and nonsensical, considering the position in which I find myself in the world today. I'm not even sure that I know what I am, from a political view. I wrote a paper in the 11th grade. The topic was to form your own political party and set out a guideline for what views your party held. I pulled from all sorts of different political ideals to complete the assignment. When it was all over with and I handed in my paper, it was way over the ten page limit. Senior year, everyone was supposed to hand in descriptions of what they thought their friends would be in the future. Overwhelmingly everyone agreed on me. At the award cerimony I was called to stage as the person most likely to be voted dictator for life of a European country.


Oh, and I do think Bill Maher is one of the greatest commentators. But he isn't a democrat either. He's Libritarian.

Yep

Goes to show how extremists on both sides are full of shit.

He's great, like Jon Stewart, but for grown-ups. Then again, TDS is entirely different from Real Time. Commentary-wise, they're similar.

But then again, I've believed for a long time that the federal government should be limited to providing social programs and the states should govern themselves w.r.t. laws. Of course, there's melding when it comes to things like federal crimes and state-specific programs.

The federal government is like a one-size-fits-all institution, and it should be limited to one-size-fits-all programs, legislation, and services like universal health care, civil rights, higher education grants, military, etc. States are specific organs capable of managing themselves outside of the federal realm with regard to things like non-federal criminal legislation, taxation, schools, etc. If the states tax the citizens, then the fed takes a percentage from the states' revenue, this would undoubtedly cut back on the red tape.

But what am I thinking? Limited government in today's US? The odds of me getting struck by lightning while in the basement are better.

sorry Fece can't help you out, since I think you're looking for american Left-wing extremists, but BF was right both extremes are full of BS

Originally posted by Fire
sorry Fece can't help you out, since I think you're looking for american Left-wing extremists, but BF was right both extremes are full of BS

That's why they call'em extremists.

But the political spectrum in the US has narrowed so much over the past 50 years or so that a couple things are now evident:

a) Europe treats our political atmosphere like a grade-school fart joke.

b) Nixon was more liberal than "flaming liberal" Kerry. It's not up for debate, one can easily look in the LoC and Congressional recordkeeping websites and find that information, clear as day. If you ask for links, you shall receive.

With those in mind, make sure your definition of 'extremist' are objective and not subjective to the US' political spectrum, because even Ted Kennedy would be right-wing in Europe. But hey, what do the Europeans know about politics, right?

Think I care about the US political spectrum?

I don't even believe in a two-party system so whatever happens in the US I still won't like it one bit

Originally posted by Fire
Think I care about the US political spectrum?

I don't even believe in a two-party system so whatever happens in the US I still won't like it one bit

See, now that's the spirit. The two-party system has created a society that is completely xenophobic to any type of original political views.

Well a two-party system makes for much harder and fouler campaigns. You don't even have to proof you're (or your party) is the best, you just have to proof the others are worse.

With a more intrusive state anyone not of the government line can be called an "extremist." How do you define a non "extremist?"

true, kinda hard

He has a point.

Shit, I think he stumped me.

I know I'm pretty much a left wing extremist. Tho I listen to everyone and try to keep as many people as possible content.

I think searching for a compromise is what defines a non-extremist

Originally posted by Fire
I know I'm pretty much a left wing extremist. Tho I listen to everyone and try to keep as many people as possible content.

I think searching for a compromise is what defines a non-extremist

but if keeping as many people content as possible defines a non-extremist, wouldn't that be you?

I said pretty much :P

There are a few issues on which I don't give a crap about keeping most people content. I know I'm right and as one of our greatest prime ministers once said: "The people elect a government to govern, Then they have to respect its decisions."

(in context it meant that Belgium was going to introduce the Euro, against a big portion of the peoples will at the time)

Well, some things have to be weighed against the will of the people though. I can see that switching to the Euro is something that is best done sooner rather than later, but on things like, oh, say, starting a war.

well in theory the government can force it down the throat of the people, but I doubt that will ever happen. A few parties will always come out as saviors if they, well, crash the government when it plans to do that.

dont count on it

in Belgium?

A) we don't start a lot of wars

B) I don't think all government parties would ever be on the same line about a war the public is against

Belgium aint he only country in question here Fire

what I said was about Belgium only, I know my knowledge about how politics work in other countries is too limited to make any statements about those. But I do know how belgian politics work

looked more general than only considering Belgium though, but ok I see what you are saying

maybe I got Bullit his question a tad wrong then, but it doesn't really matter much

Belgium?, you`re probably right

True Finti all too true

In Canada i would be a centrist person, in the US i would be a hardcore democrat.
In Canada, not supporting Medicare for all is ultra-hardcore conservative. In the US its everyone. It matters about the political atmosphere of the country. Our country is to the left, and our NDP party would be communists in your country.
I am social liberal.
I am a conservative on Military and Economy.

Supporting Medicare is almost the base of my political ideology

What are those issues you don't care about populism on?

Originally posted by FeceMan
Well, we all know the clichéd conservative extremist that everyone on these boards is so quick to generalize all of us as--the Bible-thumping, straight-to-hell damning, racist pig.

How about the left extremists? They may be less vocal, but surely they are there. I presume they are more...subversive, but that is only an assumption.

Does anyone have any NEW examples of political extremism?

(That's the nice way of me asking for examples of left-wing examples without people freaking out on me for being the stupid Republican that I am.)

I am not sure what you are saying?jm

I'd imagine the ones at the base of his ideology.... universal healthcare, etc.

Not a bad ideal, I say. No matter how much the public hates it, they get free healthcare. I mean, I wouldn't have a problem as long as they have enough clinics and hospitals to keep up with demand.

"The people elect a government to govern, Then they have to respect its decisions."

the philosophy behind a democratic government was basically that. You don't select a leader you like, you select a leader you think can best rule a country and you accept his decisions. Only when somebody better comes along should you vote that person out of office.

Of course people don't think like that, they think like "Who looks prettier, and who can make flashier comments..."

Now about left wing extremist seeing as i live in the Netherlands and pretty much everything that the US does is right wing extremist for us. Even the biggest right win extremist in our country isn't saying the things the US is saying. There is no way a government here would make weed illegal again, there is no way gay marriages would be banned again. Social care and things like that are very important here, schools for everybody even if you can't afford it is also one of the most important things here. Things that the US debates about couldn't be debated about here, not because its to liberal to think about it. But its to stupid to not allow it.

IMO most of the American left wingers are still pretty right winged. With the two party system there will be very little change in that however. Anways about examples, the only one i can think of is PETA from what little i know about them (most information is gathered threw Southpark) you can only really say those guys are idiots

Originally posted by Fishy
"Even the biggest right win extremist in our country isn't saying the things the US is saying. There is no way a government here would make weed illegal again, there is no way gay marriages would be banned again. Social care and things like that are very important here, schools for everybody even if you can't afford it is also one of the most important things here. Things that the US debates about couldn't be debated about here, not because its to liberal to think about it. But its to stupid to not allow it.

Well said.

Right or Left wing extremist don't worry me. Is the complete and total IDIOTS that follow either side that worry me.

Extremist often are, not even listening to other people's oppinions because theirs is right no matter what.

Originally posted by shaber
What are those issues you don't care about populism on?

I assume you mean me, well there are a few.

A) The death penalty, there is noway we need that one back.
B) Abortion, pro-choice, clergymen can recommend whatever they want in the end its the people their own choice. The moral majority (if it should exist in Belgium) doesn't have the right to tell other people what they can't do
C) Same sex marriages, noway those are going away again.
D) Social Security, as long as possible no tampering with it.
E) Refugees: no need to kick those people out after they've been here for quite a few years.
F) Taxes, basically the way people are taxed is wrong in this country, certainly the way tax reductions work. The damn economic liberals always have the idea to cut everyones' taxes by 2 percent or a thing like that. Which is great for people who makes tons of money (and pay tons of taxes) but the idea SUCKS for people who have small income (pay fewer taxes) and thus get a very small bonus. Where as giving each person a fixed amount of discount would be the opposite, giving the people who really need it a bigger cut (proportionally) than those who don't need it. There are even better ways to do this then Tax reductions, cause there are people who are so poor they don't have to pay taxes

You all have an equal amount of Taxes in Belgium? Everybody pays lets say 50% or something or does it differ from income?

it differs from income, the more you make the more taxes you pay, with a maximum and a minimum but all with a 10 percent reach (except for the special cases like ppl who live of welfare and stuff)

Ahh okay...

Someone asked if anyone could define an extremist..
What happened to that question? I’m sure some people would call ME an extremist, but I – of course- would hardly call my views that.
So – what IS extremism?
And is one worse than the other?

Originally posted by BackFire
Sure, an example of a left wing extremist is as follows -


Thinks everything Bush does is horrific and destined to damn America/the world in armageddon (Won't have any comment defending their beliefs of Bush decisions causing world wide destruction in 10 years, when we're all still here) also makes baseless comparisons of Bush/Hitler.

Thinks everyone should have equal rights and we should keep an open mind about everything, such as NAMBLA and Bestiality.

Thinks Bill Mahr is the greatest comic/political commentator in the world, despite the fact that half of what he says is bullshit.

Think "Truth.com" is a valid and credible website.

Thinks big corperations are evil, no matter what. And they're to blame for everything wrong in this world, all the while wearing Levi's faded jeans and numerous other clothing articles purchased at "The Gap"

Thinks every religion is horrible in every way, and doesn't recognize the positives of numerous religions.

"Save the rainforest" mantra is their favorite phrase in the world.

Protests everything they don't like, then ***** when a car runs them over while they're loitering in the street with their idiot signs.

Listens to Air America Radio, a blatantly liberal station, that is also blatantly one sided, but bitches about Rush Limbaugh being one sided.

May or may not look like Micheal Moore.

DUDE THAT WAS GREAT MAN
very nice backfire

Originally posted by Fishy
the philosophy behind a democratic government was basically that. You don't select a leader you like, you select a leader you think can best rule a country and you accept his decisions. Only when somebody better comes along should you vote that person out of office.

But that's Americanized democracy, which isn't true democracy at all. A true democracy is a society where people literally govern themselves—people are selected to serve in the senate the way they're selected to perform jury duty.

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
I am not sure what you are saying?jm
Well, that's no surprise.

Some of the ones that come to my mind are the ones condoning "art" that simply shouldn't be (check my Double. You. Tee. Eff. (Sex! Education!) thread).

Also, the ones who want to remove any public..."stuff" having to do with Christianity and replace it with Islamic "stuff". They say "separation of church and state", but they don't exactly abide by it.

I hate those ultra-tolerant bastards. They get me really, really steamed. So I won't start up against them.

Oh, one more before I am accused of being too one-sided: people who wanted a construction of a massive, gay, lesbian, and bisexual only school. It cost a freakin' ton and had a grand total of a HUNDRED students. The other schools in the area really sucked in comparison to it.

Hmm I guess we have a whole different idea of extremists in germany first of all extremists have to be violent.....now right wing extremists are fasicst (Nazis) and left wing are communist or socialists.

Darth Revan what you are implying is a socialist democracy there are different forms of democracy even though what fishy said sounds very much like a democracized version of Hobbes Leviathan

Originally posted by Darth Revan
But that's Americanized democracy, which isn't true democracy at all. A true democracy is a society where people literally govern themselves—people are selected to serve in the senate the way they're selected to perform jury duty.

No thats the ancient Greek definition of Democracy, they should know they invented it.

Democracy wasn't made to make people govern themselves, it was made to keep the leaders in check. You selected the best leader and that leader would have to do everything he could to help improve the country isntead of himself. Becuase if he improved himself he would get kicked out and somebody better who would do anything for the coutry would be voted into office. thats the idea, you don't vote for the most popular, or for the nicest, or for the proudest. You vote for the smartest.

that concept has been completly destroyed in modern day democacy's however and it very rarely happens anymore.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
But that's Americanized democracy, which isn't true democracy at all. A true democracy is a society where people literally govern themselves—people are selected to serve in the senate the way they're selected to perform jury duty.

well I wouldn't call it Americanized democracy DR cause almost every democratic country in the world uses indirect democracy this way.

The way you suggest would allow for seriously underqualified people with horrific ideas to come to power.

Still can happen, though...

no it can't

If it is ever used then the democracy the Greeks invented is gone.

The political compass articulated how it is muddled thinking to use such terms as "right" and "left" wing.

I doubt anyone would call themself an extremist.

feminist bra burners.

come on girls...theyre there to help you...dont destroy them. if you dont want to wear them, then dont buy them. but for gods sake, spare the life of the $40 victorias secret bra. its too expensive to just waste like that. burn paper... its free

Originally posted by The Omega
Someone asked if anyone could define an extremist..
What happened to that question? I’m sure some people would call ME an extremist, but I – of course- would hardly call my views that.
So – what IS extremism?
And is one worse than the other?

Extrme? you have no idea.