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Alright, I'm gonna start up a tournament. The premise is to have the Jedi fight amongst themselves, and the Sith amongst themselves, and then the respective champions will square off.

In order to make this tournament easier to decide upon, I'm going to ask people to consider the following about each competitor:

Physical Strength (Tall stature, muscular, toned, etc.)
Will Power (A strong mind, commanding)
Force Affinity (Is the subject naturally attuned with the Force?)
Force Mastery (Control over the Force)
Self-Control (Self explanatory)
Wisdom (Chiefly in combat, not the force itself or life itself)
Lightsaber Style (Two or one handed, Form styles, etc.)
Dexterity (How quick and precise was the combatant?)
Lightsaber Skill (Was the competitor a master of the blade, or a novice?)
Persona (For example, Obi Wan and Revan are reserved fighters, whereas Maul and Anakin are aggressive)
and lastly, Underhandedness/Resourcefulness (Being out and out shifty for the Sith, and Obi Wan Kenobish like resourceful for the Jedi)

The reason I stress these points is that we can evaluate competitors by looking at their abilities and not their status in the movies, or books, or games, etc. If called upon to defend your opinion, this is also a good template to work with.

Now, I'll take five suggestions for Sith and five suggestions for Jedi. The rest of each group I will decide for myself. There will be perhaps twenty per side.

can i suggest?
if yes,,
exar kun
ulic qel droma
traya
revan
sidius
jedi
ob1 ROTS
yoda
windu

And to clarify, since the trend has already been set, each person can submit five suggestions for each. One that is mentioned three times is in. And like I said, I'll have my pick from the litter after all this is decided.

NJO Luke
Kit Fisto,,,,lol
(i made 5 suggestions for each)

That works. I actually like Kit Fisto. He's more capable than the movies give him credit for.

yes,,i think that too he is solid jedi,,and i like his water show,,,lol,,are you finishing that sh1t man?

Darth Vader(pre-suit)
Revan
Marka Ragnos
Naga Sadow
Sidious

Yoda
NJO Luke
Mace Windu
Anakin Skywalker(remember, Anakin is light, Vader is dark)
Light Side Revan

I think you should include a d20 or d6 stats system. Like the ones I posted about the Hutts and Malak on the other thread. The poster would make these up of course.

I say...
- Tulak Hord
- Yoda (prime)
- ROTS Anakin (fallen)
- Sidious
- ROTS Obi-Wan Kenobi

NJO Luke
Mace Windu
Yoda
Obi-Wan
Dooku(lightside)

can I change mine and remove sidious and anakin pre-suit and put Tulak Hord and Exar Kun. Also remove Anakin lightside and put Nomi Sunrider.(put a girl in.)

Fair enough. I'll tally them up tomorrow. Give it some time.

Revan
Exar
Marka Ragnos
Tulak Hord
Naga Sadow

NJO Luke
Yoda
Obi (ROTS)
Mace Windu
TPM anakin (for the chosen one fans and because i couldn't think of any this fast)

lol tpm anakin is a small chosen pussy

Well the chosen one argument is popular, I wonder how it will last with TPM Anakin

lol

Darth Vader (pre-suit)
Darth Sidious (ROTS)
Exar Kun
Darth Revan
Darth Nihilus

Obi-Wan Kenobi (ROTS)
Mace Windu
Yoda
Ki-Adi-Mundi
Qui-Gon Jinn

Arthas not to annoy you or anything, but i don't think Nihilus is a fair choice, seeing as he would beat everybody...

Fair enough.

*Bastila (dark side)

How come you think Nihilus would beat everybody?

He eats force sensitives for lunch. But to be honest, I'd like to open the floor to debate as to why Nihilus should be on this tournament. If no one will defend him, I'll try.

Originally posted by Darth Inanis
How come you think Nihilus would beat everybody? He can drain the force from them till they die... Like the only person who can beat him is the exile because of his dark gift.

I don't think Nihilus is invincible or I wouldn't have listed him. I think it's BS how it's said that no other Jedi can kill him but the Exile. If there was never any Exile, then Nihilus would have run rampant and he never would have been stopped. He's got to be able to be defeated by someone else.

I think that other Jedi could have enough willpower to at least last long enough to have a good shot at defeating Nihilus. He doesn't instantly drain ALL Force from a Jedi/Sith, it's a gradual thing. I'm sure someone like Yoda or Mace or maybe even Obi-Wan or Anakin could have a very good chance at stopping Nihilus. The Exile can't be the only one to be able to stop him.

Nihilus isnt that powerful.

Nihilus isn't invincible... It just has a gift... Only thing I'm saying is that it's opponent better destroy the anomaly before it sucks the power right out of him/her.

Well no you never said that, but it seems that we have a rival Chosen One that can never lose much like some believe that Anakin cannot lose.

Dark-- Darth Sidious, Darth Revan, Darth Vader, Darth Maul, Exar Kun
Light-- Mace Windu, Yoda, Obi-Wan Kenobi, NJO Luke Skywalker, Quinlan Vos

I think that these teams are balanced, and fair.

Actually Nihilus was part of the Exile, that is why the Exile could win. It can be argued that if you kill one the other will die too, and you can sure as hell kill the Exile. Nihilus however is a wound in the force that draws power from others to heal himself, something that will never happen.

Dark
Naga Sadow
Marka Ragnos
Darth Revan
Darth Maul
Nihilus(if he cant be in, replace with Kreia)

Light
Yoda
Windu
Vrook
Obi-Wan
ROTS Anakin

Originally posted by Fishy
Actually Nihilus was part of the Exile, that is why the Exile could win. It can be argued that if you kill one the other will die too, and you can sure as hell kill the Exile. Nihilus however is a wound in the force that draws power from others to heal himself, something that will never happen.

But it can't be argued that if you kill one the other will die, because we killed one and the other didn't die.

Originally posted by ArthasKnight
But it can't be argued that if you kill one the other will die, because we killed one and the other didn't die.

Actually, you killed Nihilus.. You did not kill the Exile, you may think there is no difference but there is..

Read the Darth Nihilus thread if you want more info, but i'll try to explain shortly here.

The exile created Nihilus when he lost connection of the force, his dark side was pushed out, a wound in the force something that created Nihilus. The exile however was always the one that existed, Nihilus was just part of him. The Exile is however the main part because he always excisted. Nihilus was a part of him that was pushed out.

I don't know if killing the Exile would kill Nihilus but its very possible because Nihilus is part of the Exile, the Exile isn't part of Nihilus.

I like to keep it movies, so:

Sidious
Vader in the suit
Vader (pre suit, immediately before obi-wan fight)
Maul
Dooku

Yoda
Windu
Obi wan
Qui-gon
Anakin (after AOTC through to the Dooku fight in ROTS)


Woah, 3 forms of anakin

Alright, I was running a little busy lately. We'll get this rolling tonight. But first, I'm going to pick through the suggestions and pick the LEAST powerful and deadly Jedi and Sith for the very first fight.

if maul is on that list, im goin to cry and hate all of you!

lol

Alright, first match for the Jedi...

Kit Fisto versus Ki-Adi-Mundi. Okay, so they're not horribly weak, but what Jedi really is? No force powers restrictions in these battles unless noted. Since it is a tournament, the setting will have a bearing on the battle. For this first one, we will assume they duke it out in say, the arean on Geonosis. Those who post should also put down a place for the next duel to take place. That way, we can keep some diversity and observer uh... feedback thingy... yes. Whatever. My brain just left state.

Alright, Kit Fisto versus Ki-Adi-Mundi. And if you post an opinion, give us some facts or observations, please. No "Fisto pwns all rox00r lol".

Kit Fisto...

From the little i know about both of them, he seems more capable. He was a well known fighter and lead a special unit of clone troopers. Ki-Adi just lead clonetroopers and to me sounds a little weaker then Kit... Probably not by much but he would still end up dead

My thoughts exactly. Ki-Adi-Mundi strikes me as a more pacifist Jedi, whereas Kit Fisto was more primal.

For the first Sith tier.....

Vader (in suit) versus Maul (Sorry Jack, but he's among the least powerful of the Sith, even if he is still very badass). No suggestions for the setting, so it will be the same as above. Arena at Geonosis.

Vader's lightsaber style is very powerful and aggressive, like it was pre-suit, but unfortunately, he's now also very slow.

Maul's lightsaber style is very fast and also aggressive, but a little less powerful, I think.

I think Maul's method of fighting is going to beat out Vader's, if just because Maul is much faster and more mobile than Mecha-Vader. The only way I see Vader winning this is if he forces himself to play defense (which won't happen) or if he can out-Force Maul.

vader pwn maul

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
And if you post an opinion, give us some facts or observations, please. No "Fisto pwns all rox00r lol".

cant u read?

Ok i think maul would win.
vader lost much of his agility and speed, while maul is extremely fast and agressive. i just dont think vader could hold off the attack. he would make a mistake at some point, and maul is too good not to take it.


Next match could be roofs of coruscant(a lot of jumping included) or the droid factory on geonosis(some close quarter combat)

Maul has more capability with a lightsaber, he also was "a dead shell of the man he used to be". He lost most of his powers in the suit and Maul is to fast for him. Ki Adi Mundi would loose to Kit Fisto. Come on, Kit Fisto attacked Palpatine.

Yeah, I agree. While Vader is and always will be the original badass, he's too clunky and slow for ninja Maul. Maul takes this one.

I'd like to hear requests for the next staging ground? Or does nobody care about that?

Jedi round two: Plo Koon versus Aayla Secura. No restrictions. Setting: Hangar of the Death Star.

Sith roun two: Malak versus Dooku. No restrictions. Setting: Bridge of the Leviathan.

Plo Koon beats Aayla Secura. But I'm not sure about Malak and Dooku.


I think a good setting would be in Bespin where Luke and Vader fight.

Jedi Round Two:

Plo Koon is supposedly a good combatant, more martial than most Jedi. He once led the Republic to victory during the Stark Hyperspace Wars. Because of this and the fact that Plo Koon is a Master over Aayla's rank as Knight, I'm going to put Plo Koon as winner.

Sith Round Two:

...I can't decide yet.

I think Dooku would win. He was supposed to be one of the most powerful Jedi. He also was a master of form two, and had knowlege of both the light and the dark.

You just described Malak, too. I dunno about the Makashi (Form II) mastery, but he was a duelist, so.

Malak strikes me more as an Ataru fighter. He was visually impressive (Such as the flashy displays of lightsaber manipulation) and did the jump attack like all day.

Jedi... Plo Kloon, just strikes me as more powerful

Malak vs Dooku?

Now thats a hard one. They are both very powerful that is for sure and both capable. Both pretty much the same, but i would go with Malak. Not because i think he is more powerful then Dooku but because he has more experience fighting Jedi and i think that would give him an advantage over Dooku.


As for a setting, how about the Sky ramp on Onderon?

plo koon,,malak he had knowledge of the star forge

I don't see the Star Forge knowledge doing anything for Malak in a fight. If anything, Malak would end up spouting off lines from the Star Forge Operator's Manual (tm) and then Dooku would impale him.

Unless they were fighting on the Star Forge. But seeing as they fought at the Leviathan that would hardly give him an advantage.

I'll throw up the next few rounds tonight... I have little time before finals.

if you're still open for suggestion's I pick...
JEDI
Mace Windu
Yoda (prime)
Kit Fisto
Obi Wan Kenobi (prime)
Qui Gon Jinn
DARK
Count Dooku
Emperor Palapatine
Darth Vader (ROTJ)
Darth Maul
Gen. Greivius

Alright... next round for the Jedi...

Qui Gon Jinn versus Vrook
Setting- Bespin

And for the Sith...

Ludo Kressh versus Bane
Setting- Skyramp on ONderon.

I think Vrook was a much wiser Jedi. He also knew I think two forms, although he was only a practioner of Ataru. He didnt fight the Mandalorians or the Sith in KOTOR 1. He was a counsel member. I think that Vrook wins.


I am unsure about who would win for the Sith. I will sput out some stuff anyways. Ludo Kressh was alive during a more capable time period. Bane was also the strongest Sith during his time, Ludo was tied as the strongest. Bane did visit soneone's tomb, probably Freedon Nadd's or it may have ironicaly been Ludo's, and got parasites called orbalisks attached to him. These parasites I think were a ancient Sith armor because they formed a armor that could stop minor lightsaber hit and also gave him an eternal adrenaline boost. Ludo also didnt use a lightsaber which would give him a harder time with the armor. Ludo does hae a lot of skill with a double bladed sword though(that was the weapon he used). I think that even though Bane has alot going for him with the armor, he looses, because he dosent really have anythong else to fight with.

Vrook vs Qui Gon...

Probably Vrook, he is the most powerful council member of that time, he does teach you form VII or the most powerful force form. Incredibly useful guy, and a great fighter. I'm sure he would be more then a match for Qui Gon. Qui Gon would be dead. Besides with the way Vrook fights you need to use the force against him. Qui Gon isn't really that attuned to fighting style's of others from what i can gather and he doesn't use the force as much either. He would fall.

Ludo and Bane? Probably Ludo he managed to compare with Naga Sadow, who i think would own Bane.. I know its not really a good argument but thats all i can really think of, so it will have to do

I'll go with Vrook for the same reasons as above, but then again, I'm at a disadvantage to say as I still haven't played KotOR II yet.

As for the Sith, I only know of Bane...

Nice sig, man. Obi Ninja!

Alright, next round...

Mara Jade versus Nomi Sunrider

And Vader versus Exar Kun. (Note I didn't say Mecha Vader)

Nimo Sunrider would kill Mara. I haven't read tales of the Jedi, but didn;t she stand against Ulic for a while and eventually bring him back to the light. Since Ulic on one thread that I made was beating Mace by a good margin, I think Nomi would win.


Exar could probably beat Vader during anytime. I think that Vader is very powerful but he never reached a lot of his potential since he took a lava bath at age 21. Think about how far Obi-wan went from TMP to ROTS. Obi-wan was 26 in TMP and got several times more powerful from TMP to ROTS. Probably more than five times as powerful. Think about how much more capable Anakin would have become in five more years of traing, much less another 13 like Pbo-wan. If Anakin had been training since birth, stayed a padawan until maybe 25 and never took a lave bath, imagine his capabilites at an age like 40. One word. Badass. He would also have become much more emotionaly stabel and have had less problems from the start. He would kill anyone. Mace,Yoda, Revan. Anyone. The force would probably have also sustained his life for several hundred years. With all of that time to learn Jedi ways. At an age of maybe 500, he might be able to kill Yoda, Mace, and Palpatine by himself.

Sorry for the rant.

No problem at all. Excellent point

Nomi and Exar basically because i agree with Glentract

nomi,,,kunT lol
when is the great finale???????????????????????????????

When the feedback averages more than once a day.

Luminara Unduli versus Aayla Secura

Ajunta Pall versus Ludo Kressh.

Ludo Kressh because we don't know anything real about Ajunta... And as much as i'd like to guess I can't possibly say he would win basing on anything more then a wild guess.

And no vote on the Jedi yet... I'll come back for that later on

ludo,,,luminara

I think Luminara Unduli would win because she was more experinced.

I don't know for sure in Lude vs. Ajunta, but Ludo would definately beat Ajunta's force ghost. Still, I won't vote either way for now.