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On Tuesday, May 10, 2005, America became a true police state. Your U.S. senators voted -- unanimously, with no discussion, and without even reading the bill -- to create a national ID card.

The Real ID Act blackmails state governments into turning their drivers licenses into a draconian tool of the federal homeland security apparatus. If states refuse, their citizens lose such "privileges" as being allowed to board an airplane, enter a federal building, or apply for social security. President Bush is expected to sign the bill eagerly on Thursday.

In three years -- by May 2008 -- this Stalin-style internal passport will be an American reality. But your government will have _more_ control over you than Stalin ever dreamed in his most violent, vicious, anti-freedom dreams. (See links to the text of the law and articles about it at the bottom of this article.)

But that's only the beginning.

The creator of the Real ID Act, Rep. James Sensenbrenner, smiles and tells us that his Real ID Act is all about "solving illegal immigration" or "preventing terrorists from entering the country." This is one of the biggest of the thousands of "Big Lies" we've heard from the tyrants in Washington. The Real ID Act is about tracking and controlling Americans. You. Me. Our children. Everybody.

In May 2008, barring a miracle, America as we once knew it will be in ruins. It will be gone. And the rights of gun owners will be among the first scheduled for destruction.

GUN OWNERS: PREPARE TO RESIST

Here's your future:

* You walk into a gun store, fill out your 4473, and show your government ID just as you now do. But instead of looking at your license and taking down some information, the clerk runs the license (which is likely to contain a radio-frequency ID chip) through a scanner. Your purchase is instantly recorded in your _state_ drivers license registry. The federal government isn't currently allowed to keep a gun registry. But no problem; the Real ID act gives them an open door into your state records.

* Complete information on every firearm you buy will be instantly available to every police officer (and possibly every government employee, store clerk, or computer hacker) you ever encounter. You'll be an instant criminal suspect every time you deal with someone who has access to the database.

* Just as travelers are encouraged to get background checks and give fingerprints to avoid some of the worst excesses of TSA screening, gun owners will be encouraged to get background checks and give whatever biometric ID the Department of Homeland Security requires. This will be sold as a "benefit," ensuring you'll never again experience an "instant-check" delay. In fact, Congress, the ATF, or the FBI might even "mandate" 5-day or 15-day delays for anyone not enrolled in the "Trusted Firearms Buyer" program.

* The private purchase "loophole" will be closed, so that all gun buyers must make trackable purchases. (The ultimate goal is for _every_ purchase of every kind to be trackable.)

* Buying ammo? The store scans your national ID card and -- bingo! -- your purchase is registered in the state database.

* The federal government or state governments can now also _effectively_ legislate limits on the amount or kind of ammunition you're "allowed" to purchase. Try to buy more and the database instantly rejects you.

* The federal government or state governments can now also _effectively_ legislate limits on the number of guns you may own. Try to buy more, and the database rejects you.

* Eventually -- after the federal government "discovers" the obvious, that national ID won't stop either illegal immigration or terrorism -- the old attack on "evil guns" will resume. When they want your .50 BMG . they'll know just where to find it (because the Real ID act says your home address _must_ be revealed). When they want your evil "scoped sniper rifle" (you know, the one you hunt deer with), they'll know just how to get it. Ditto with you "Saturday Night Special" or your "assault weapon."

* If you don't surrender your guns, well, then the Department of Homeland Security will cut off your driving "privilege," as well as your right to escape the growing police state via plane. You'll be a prisoner in your own home, in your own country. Or you'll be forced to function as an outlaw, operating and living a precarious existence beneath the government radar.

PARANOID? OR PAYING ATTENTION?

You say these projections are ridiculous? That we're paranoid?

Well, frankly, if the Real ID Act doesn't make you paranoid, you're not paying enough attention. We ask you to consider the long-term impact of a few other acts of government.

In the 1930s, Congress promised us that our social security numbers would never, absolutely never, be used for identification. Now, they're the key to everything about us -- and without a social security number you won't get a drivers license and you won't even be "allowed" to drive after May 2008.

In 1913, Congress and the media swore to us that the brand- new income tax would only affect the rich. Well, how rich do you feel after paying 40 percent of your income (or more!) in taxes?

This is the way government works. They've even got a term for it: mission creep. And there is no creepier mission than the mission the federal government has currently set itself: to track everyone, everywhere, and to control what we do.

We warned you in _The State vs. the People_ (http://www.jpfo.org/tsvtp.htm ) that this was coming. That book is still relevant, still a good read, and still filled with information about what our future will be like in this new American police state.

Be forewarned. Be aware.

REAL ID: IT'S THE LAW AND IT'S CRIMINAL

http://www.rense.com/general65/realid.htm

You're the boot.
Stomping on the human face forever.
You're the eye.
Staring down on everyone and ever seeing all.
You're the lie.
Twisting all our minds into your whoredom.
You are Death.
You are war.
You are slavery.
You're the law.
You're the law.
You're the LAW!

George Orwell was the first to describe totalitarianism as a "boot stomping on the human face forever." But in Orwell's day Americans would have had a hard time believing that the law -- the good old, all-American legislature -- all those smiling senators and "representatives" would be the ones to plant their iron heels in our faces. Back in those innocent days, we imagined tyranny would come from _outside_.

Well, tyranny is here. And it's a gift from the very people we so trustingly put into office.

Tyranny is THE LAW.

Is this a way to run a country? Tacking something as onerous as national ID onto a must-pass bill and making it law without any debate? What does this say about people the gun owners consider their friends? In the House, where the bill containing the Real ID Act passed 368-58, only three Republicans voted against it. Here's the final roll-call vote so you can see how your own congressperson voted: http://tinyurl.com/cr3bj )

In the Senate, not one person cared enough about freedom to vote against it -- or even to demand that senators _discuss_ it.

(The Real ID Act originally passed the House in February as a standalone bill (H.R. 418) by a vote of 261-to-161. House leaders, realizing national ID would have been in trouble in the Senate, then added it to a must-pass military appropriations bill in a cynical ploy to make it almost impossible to fight national ID.)

Turning America into a full-fledged police state was just business as usual to your representatives. And, just as Adolf Hitler scrupulously followed German law while committing his horrors, so your "representatives" and the bureaucrats you face at the national-ID drivers license bureau will also be following the law -- the Real ID law that allows them to enslave you.

(To see what a real Bill of Rights leader would do, read the novel _Hope_ by Aaron Zelman and L. Neil Smith: http://www.jpfo.org/hope.htm .)

WHAT NEXT?

We have two choices now: Resist or submit.

More than 600 organizations, from the American Civil Liberties Union to the National Governors Association, opposed the bill. Even the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (which loves national ID and was largely responsible for an earlier attempt at such legislation nine years ago) criticized it.

We can expect lawsuits against national ID, including at least one suit led by state governments.

However, nearly all the opposition from state governments focuses on one area: They're upset because the federal government didn't offer them extra money to enslave us. If Congress bribes them with enough millions and billions, they'll gladly sell our freedom.

Only one state, Montana, has so far absolutely refused to cooperate with national ID. The Montana legislature passed a law saying they would not go along. However, that will mean that Montana residents are barred from flying without extreme extra scrutiny or from applying for federal benefits because their licenses will be "non-compliant." Although we applaud the courageous Montana legislators, no doubt we'll soon hear many Montanans demanding the "privilege" of having a real national ID card.

Ultimately, real resistance is up to us, as individuals. There are certain courses of action JPFO cannot recommend. But every freedom lover should be pleased if all the people who had a hand in creating Real ID act lost their jobs -- soon. And those individuals who truly value their (and their children's) futures should seriously consider making national ID their line in the sand.

We have already heard from many people saying they will drive without a license rather than submit to a license that has become a Stalinist control document. We just hope their resolve stays equally strong when they face a world in which it's impossible to buy, sell, retire, travel -- or buy a gun -- without national ID.

We ask you to remember men like Alexandr Solzhenitzyn
http://tinyurl.com/at9yn and Natan Sharansky
http://tinyurl.com/chwet .

Both stood up and boldly opposed a tyrannical regime in the Soviet Union. Both risked their lives. Both suffered horribly for their resistance and their protests. But eventually, they triumphed -- and the Soviet Union crumbled.

We are in need of such people, and such courage, today. We cannot wait for _someone else_ to stand up and show that kind of integrity.

We must become the kind of people we admire if we are ever again to live in a nation we can trust.

G-d help us if we fail.*

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership

Deano looking forward to our idea cards man?Originally posted by Deano
You're the boot.
Stomping on the human face forever.
You're the eye.
Staring down on everyone and ever seeing all.
You're the lie.
Twisting all our minds into your whoredom.
You are Death.
You are war.
You are slavery.
You're the law.
You're the law.
You're the LAW!

George Orwell was the first to describe totalitarianism as a "boot stomping on the human face forever." But in Orwell's day Americans would have had a hard time believing that the law -- the good old, all-American legislature -- all those smiling senators and "representatives" would be the ones to plant their iron heels in our faces. Back in those innocent days, we imagined tyranny would come from _outside_.

Well, tyranny is here. And it's a gift from the very people we so trustingly put into office.

Tyranny is THE LAW.

Is this a way to run a country? Tacking something as onerous as national ID onto a must-pass bill and making it law without any debate? What does this say about people the gun owners consider their friends? In the House, where the bill containing the Real ID Act passed 368-58, only three Republicans voted against it. Here's the final roll-call vote so you can see how your own congressperson voted: http://tinyurl.com/cr3bj )

In the Senate, not one person cared enough about freedom to vote against it -- or even to demand that senators _discuss_ it.

(The Real ID Act originally passed the House in February as a standalone bill (H.R. 418) by a vote of 261-to-161. House leaders, realizing national ID would have been in trouble in the Senate, then added it to a must-pass military appropriations bill in a cynical ploy to make it almost impossible to fight national ID.)

Turning America into a full-fledged police state was just business as usual to your representatives. And, just as Adolf Hitler scrupulously followed German law while committing his horrors, so your "representatives" and the bureaucrats you face at the national-ID drivers license bureau will also be following the law -- the Real ID law that allows them to enslave you.

(To see what a real Bill of Rights leader would do, read the novel _Hope_ by Aaron Zelman and L. Neil Smith: http://www.jpfo.org/hope.htm .)

WHAT NEXT?

We have two choices now: Resist or submit.

More than 600 organizations, from the American Civil Liberties Union to the National Governors Association, opposed the bill. Even the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (which loves national ID and was largely responsible for an earlier attempt at such legislation nine years ago) criticized it.

We can expect lawsuits against national ID, including at least one suit led by state governments.

However, nearly all the opposition from state governments focuses on one area: They're upset because the federal government didn't offer them extra money to enslave us. If Congress bribes them with enough millions and billions, they'll gladly sell our freedom.

Only one state, Montana, has so far absolutely refused to cooperate with national ID. The Montana legislature passed a law saying they would not go along. However, that will mean that Montana residents are barred from flying without extreme extra scrutiny or from applying for federal benefits because their licenses will be "non-compliant." Although we applaud the courageous Montana legislators, no doubt we'll soon hear many Montanans demanding the "privilege" of having a real national ID card.

Ultimately, real resistance is up to us, as individuals. There are certain courses of action JPFO cannot recommend. But every freedom lover should be pleased if all the people who had a hand in creating Real ID act lost their jobs -- soon. And those individuals who truly value their (and their children's) futures should seriously consider making national ID their line in the sand.

We have already heard from many people saying they will drive without a license rather than submit to a license that has become a Stalinist control document. We just hope their resolve stays equally strong when they face a world in which it's impossible to buy, sell, retire, travel -- or buy a gun -- without national ID.

We ask you to remember men like Alexandr Solzhenitzyn
http://tinyurl.com/at9yn and Natan Sharansky
http://tinyurl.com/chwet .

Both stood up and boldly opposed a tyrannical regime in the Soviet Union. Both risked their lives. Both suffered horribly for their resistance and their protests. But eventually, they triumphed -- and the Soviet Union crumbled.

We are in need of such people, and such courage, today. We cannot wait for _someone else_ to stand up and show that kind of integrity.

We must become the kind of people we admire if we are ever again to live in a nation we can trust.

G-d help us if we fail.*

well boo hoo gun owners, here in Norway we have a gun registry, nothing wrong with that. Now why would you hide info about what weapons you have?

really...what does gun registry have to do with eliminating firearms?

Can't wait to see what Michael Moore does with this...

The hell? This isn't true. It's still in discussions.

If it passes, which it probably will, someone will take it to the Supreme Court which, if they have clue one in their collective heads, will rule this unconstitutional. Right to bear arms and right to privacy cannot be overlooked here. Well, it obviously CAN be but lets hope it WONT be...

Doesn't bother me. Seems like a good idea. No more illegals getting on planes or getting around to places they shouldnt be or shouldnt be doing. I dont see how the government is going to be "tracking us". Why would you care anyway? Its not like there is a special secret srevice agent following your every move.

i don't see the problem... only people who have something to hide should be bothered by this.

i'm eagerly awaiting UK ID cards...

Originally posted by Df02
i don't see the problem... only people who have something to hide should be bothered by this.

i'm eagerly awaiting UK ID cards...

Agreed.. I love this new thing the more I am reading about it.


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* Buying ammo? The store scans your national ID card and -- bingo! -- your purchase is registered in the state database."


What is the big deal with this? Unless your going to kill somebody I dont see the problem.


And you say the government will have lots of control over you? How.. all it seems like they are doing is record where you go in a big database. So what? I am not going to be robbing any banks or smuggling in any cuban cigars anytime soon.

Originally posted by KidRock
What is the big deal with this? Unless your going to kill somebody I dont see the problem.

Guns aren't made to scratch the areas of your back that you can't reach. Guess what they ARE made for and why people by ammo for them. No? To shoot them.

-AC

they should get rid of guns fullstop

Originally posted by KidRock
Doesn't bother me. Seems like a good idea. No more illegals getting on planes or getting around to places they shouldnt be or shouldnt be doing. I dont see how the government is going to be "tracking us". Why would you care anyway? Its not like there is a special secret srevice agent following your every move.

Umm... you say this will stop "illegals" from getting on planes. Well, those "illigals" are US citizens. Tahnks to this, an innocent person could be denied a ride on an airplane because the US government f*cked them over. That doesnt make those poeple illegals.

Originally posted by RedAlertv2
Umm... you say this will stop "illegals" from getting on planes. Well, those "illigals" are US citizens. Tahnks to this, an innocent person could be denied a ride on an airplane because the US government f*cked them over. That doesnt make those poeple illegals.

Explain how an innocent person would get ****ed over.

one world goverement it gettin closer my friends
this is just the beginning

I like my guns...

My knives too.

Originally posted by KidRock
Explain how an innocent person would get ****ed over.

seems if you were someone into shooting and did lots of target practice (i.e bought alot of ammo to shoot) they could get the wrong idea and black mark your name, thats called getting f*cked over

Originally posted by tabby999
seems if you were someone into shooting and did lots of target practice (i.e bought alot of ammo to shoot) they could get the wrong idea and black mark your name, thats called getting f*cked over


I doubt that they will stop you from getting on a plane or anything like that becuase you are blacklisted due to buying lots of ammo. Also like I said before, don't break the law and you have nothing to worry about.

the police can track any purchase made through receipts, security cameras, and such. it just takes them longer to do it. unless you have something to hide, I think the ID cards would just make the criminal investigations run faster and more smoothly

We kinda already do have ID cards...its called our social security number.

Originally posted by Draco69
We kinda already do have ID cards...its called our social security number.


lol yeah thats true too.

there is already so many ways to track people, and the government already does. they could tear through your entire life if they wanted to, and unless youre on their $hit list, they tend to not care.
i dont understand why people get so upset over these things. as long as it doesnt get out of control, then im fine with it.

But you never know, the ID cards could be a good or a bad thing. we'll just have to wait and find out.

I just dont like the idea of not being able to go into a post office because the governor doesnt want them. And I definetly dont think that they will prevent terrorism...because just as regular ID's...people will eventually be able to make fake ones with records and paperwork attached to it.

it's a good idea, just under the wrong pretenses

I am not bothered by a ID card whatsoever.
Though I do share Deanos disdain for a one world government, i don't see this as being a step towards that

actually i thought about it for a second and this thread is almost kinda humorous.
a national ID---the end of america?????????????????/
how do you connect those two things without laughing????

Originally posted by moviejunkie23
actually i thought about it for a second and this thread is almost kinda humorous.
a national ID---the end of america?????????????????/
how do you connect those two things without laughing????

i just copyed the title which was on the link i posted...

Originally posted by moviejunkie23
actually i thought about it for a second and this thread is almost kinda humorous.
a national ID---the end of america?????????????????/
how do you connect those two things without laughing????
Well according to these conspiracy theories one step towards the new world order is a microchip they put inside everyone to ID them. I guess they'll start with the harmless card and then work their way up to the implanted microchip. Once they've got us all chipped they'll reveal that they are actually giant reptilians from outer space and that every major occurrence that has ever happen on planet earth was their doing.

captain- YOU ARE NOW REQUIRED TO GET A CHIP IN YOUR ARM!!!!
down aaawwww do we have to??
captainYes and you also have to bow down to the image of the beast!!!
down do i stii get to watch re runs of friends???
captain uuuuhhhhhh ssuurreee.
clap YYYAAAYYYYY

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=320981&highlight=microchip

enjoy it!! the mark of the beast!

New ID card eh?

Yummyness! Just another reason for me to break out one of my sexylicious vogue poses! winkiss

whistling

It's not giant reptiles from outer-space, already people are looking to the goverment as a mother, a father, sooner or later a diety..

The anti-Christ isn't some extradimension hooved entity in red spandex, he's your own willingness to giveup your free-will and better judgment because you're inheritly sloth and weak.

We choose more hells then actually exsist.

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesG/idcardK.gif

Deano there's nothing wrong with ID cards. It is not the first step to a police state. And the government knowing who has which guns is a great idea. This is nothing like soviet russia

In russia you dont own ID cards.. ID cards own you.